[Bug 885204] Re: Recommending proprietary driver on hybrid systems can break 3D

2012-02-22 Thread Clint Byrum
We need  somebody with hybrid Nvidia/Intel graphics to please test the
proposed package per the instructions in Comment #5.

@Cefn, can you verify that with the -proposed version of jockey
installed, it does not recommend the proprietary nvidia drivers?

Thanks!

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[Bug 885204] Re: Recommending proprietary driver on hybrid systems can break 3D

2012-02-22 Thread Cefn
Tested it with jockey-gtk and jockey-common from oneiric-proposed. I
have finally arrived at the satisfying announcement No Proprietary
Drivers in use in this system, and it offered me nothing at all.

Worth noting I have a bumblebee install now which might potentially
complicate things, I guess it won't interfere with the hardware
detection routines or Jockey.

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[Bug 885204] Re: Recommending proprietary driver on hybrid systems can break 3D

2012-02-22 Thread Martin Pitt
Thanks a lot for testing this!

** Tags removed: verification-needed
** Tags added: verification-done

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[Bug 885204] Re: Recommending proprietary driver on hybrid systems can break 3D

2012-02-22 Thread Launchpad Bug Tracker
This bug was fixed in the package jockey - 0.9.4-0ubuntu10.1

---
jockey (0.9.4-0ubuntu10.1) oneiric-proposed; urgency=low

  * debian/control: Update Vcs-Bzr: for oneiric branch.
  * jockey/xorg_driver.py, tests/handlers.py: Add
XorgDriverHandler.loaded_drivers(), as a prerequisite for LP#885204. Patch
cherrypicked from trunk r756.
  * data/handlers/nvidia.py: Do not offer this driver if intel X.org driver
is loaded. On hybrid systems where intel is active, installing the
proprietary drivers and their libGL breaks intel. (LP: #885204)
 -- Martin Pitt martin.p...@ubuntu.com   Wed, 02 Nov 2011 14:10:22 -0400

** Changed in: jockey (Ubuntu Oneiric)
   Status: Fix Committed = Fix Released

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[Bug 885204] Re: Recommending proprietary driver on hybrid systems can break 3D

2012-02-22 Thread Rüdiger Kupper
Well done!
But this is rather a bug on th side of the nvidia driver. It's not so unusual 
to have several X drivers installed. Another example besides systems with two 
graphics cards is a (real) X client/server setup:

Say you have (like us) a server and several different thin clients
making X connections across the network, the server needs to have the X
drivers for all the graphics cards of the different clients installed
(at least if you want to have graphics acceleration via GLX). Now, if
one of the clients happens to have an nvidia card, the server needs to
run the nvidia X server to get acceleration for this client. This breaks
acceleration for all clients with other graphics cards.

This is a huge problem in, for example, the Linux Terminal Server
Project (LTSP).

Since the real cause is the broken nvidia driver, is there any chance of
asking the guys at NVidia to fix this?

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[Bug 885204] Re: Recommending proprietary driver on hybrid systems can break 3D

2012-01-04 Thread Cefn
I arrived here because I have broken 3D as promised - I have a NVidia
Geforce GT 525M in a Dell 5110 (Q15R) with Intel HD 3000 built in.

However, there's no obvious information as to how I get myself out of
the mess which Jockey has got me in because...

* Jockey doesn't tell me it's installing a .deb and which one, and offers me no 
means of reversing it. 
* Jockey's 'remove' doesn't actually remove stuff apparently. It just breaks 
the Intel support by installing a package and leaves it that way, even when you 
revisit Jockey and ask it to reverse the steps.

Basically I had working 3D desktop effects in LiveCD and original
install, then broken effects since running Jockey, and still broken even
after asking Jockey to remove, and removing the xorg.conf added by
nvidia-xconfig as advised by nvidia-settings.

I think I need to install Synaptic, and remove nvidia-current, but
there's been no discussion in this bug thread what people should
actually do who are experiencing the bug to get back at least to Intel
graphics.

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[Bug 885204] Re: Recommending proprietary driver on hybrid systems can break 3D

2012-01-04 Thread Cefn
Forgot to mention, a restart of X was required too to reverse the
effects of the Jockey bug (logging in and out again).

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[Bug 885204] Re: Recommending proprietary driver on hybrid systems can break 3D

2012-01-04 Thread Cefn
Sure enough, going to Synaptic and asking to completely remove the
package nvidia-current has given me back 3D desktop effects.

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Re: [Bug 885204] Re: Recommending proprietary driver on hybrid systems can break 3D

2011-11-29 Thread Martin Pitt
Julián Alarcón [2011-11-29  2:16 -]:
 So, in this case, this is a temporary workaround?? Cause I have a Dell
 Vostro 3450 with Intel from core i5 (Sandy Bridge) and AMD Radeon
 6630 I will never could use my AMD chip?

If you select the AMD chip in the BIOS and disable the Intel one,
jockey is supposed to offer the FGLRX driver. If it doesn't, please
report back here with /var/log/jockey.log. Thanks!

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[Bug 885204] Re: Recommending proprietary driver on hybrid systems can break 3D

2011-11-29 Thread Julián Alarcón
That's the problem Matias, my Dell BIOS doesn't have this option, and
many other niter

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[Bug 885204] Re: Recommending proprietary driver on hybrid systems can break 3D

2011-11-28 Thread Julián Alarcón
So, in this case, this is a temporary workaround?? Cause I have a Dell
Vostro 3450 with Intel from core i5 (Sandy Bridge) and AMD Radeon
6630 I will never could use my AMD chip?

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[Bug 885204] Re: Recommending proprietary driver on hybrid systems can break 3D

2011-11-26 Thread Nuno Ferreira
Meanwhile and following up on my previous post I can say that I have
Ironhide working in Oneiric the same way Bumblebee was working in Natty.
I don't have a way to disable/enable nvidia card though.I'll post my
xSDTs to the appropriate mailing-list. Thanks

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[Bug 885204] Re: Recommending proprietary driver on hybrid systems can break 3D

2011-11-22 Thread Martin Pitt
Could anyone please test the proposed Jockey version? We already have
another SRU which is waiting on this one.

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[Bug 885204] Re: Recommending proprietary driver on hybrid systems can break 3D

2011-11-17 Thread Nuno Ferreira
@Martin @Chris

Well, I can understand bumblebee/ironhide not being supported and I can
certainly appreciate your support despite of that.

I think are bigger than just the ones concerning Jockey. I will try to
have details later. I did try to apt-get install nvidia-current and then
change /etc/alternatives/*gl_conf (that were left pointing at mesa) but
then in X.log I got (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible
NVIDIA X driver not found) so perhaps this version of X is also not
compatible with nVidia GL...

So, I don't know if Jockey does anything else that I should be doing
manually to be able to use both GPUs.

With Bumblebee/Ironhide both xorgs running have 3d accel. it's only that
glxgears points out very different performances for them :) so I like to
have nVidia stopped almost all of the time but I really like to optirun
my occasionally intensive 3d app and launch it.

So, I appreciate if there's more info you can give on this and will try
to get to the bottom of this later.

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[Bug 885204] Re: Recommending proprietary driver on hybrid systems can break 3D

2011-11-16 Thread Nuno Ferreira
Sorry, didn't read it properly. But I'm confused nevertheless. Did this
change from Natty to Oneiric? Because like I said before I could use
both GPUs in Natty with the help of Bumblebee, hence I could install
nvidia-current and still keep using i915 and the same for X drivers...

So officially in Oneiric there's no way I can use nvidia OPTIMUS?

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[Bug 885204] Re: Recommending proprietary driver on hybrid systems can break 3D

2011-11-16 Thread Martin Pitt
Yes, this was introduced into oneiric. The current check might very well
be too strong and err on the side of safety. You can of course still
install the nvidia-current package manually. But even better would be
if we would find a finer-grained condition when it's safe to offer the
nvidia driver and when not.

I'm not quite sure how this works on your box, though. You use both the
nvidia and intel card at the same time? That pretty much must mean that
X.org running on the intel card does not have 3D acceleration?

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[Bug 885204] Re: Recommending proprietary driver on hybrid systems can break 3D

2011-11-16 Thread Chris Halse Rogers
Officially in *all* Ubuntu releases there's no way to use nVidia
optimus.  We don't support bumblebee/ironhide, so the result of
installing the nvidia drivers will be to break your 3D.  This isn't
something that we should be recommending that users do, which is what
Jockey was doing!

If you're savvy enough to install bumblebee/ironhide, then installing
the nvidia_current package without Jockey shouldn't be hard.  We're not
preventing you from ‘apt-get install nvidia_current’, we're preventing
Jockey from suggesting that the user do something that's guaranteed to
break their system.

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[Bug 885204] Re: Recommending proprietary driver on hybrid systems can break 3D

2011-11-15 Thread Nuno Ferreira
Hello,

I have just upgraded from natty to oneiric and have a hybrid-graphics
laptop (Lenovo T520 with i915 and nvidia NVS4200M).

I had bumblebee (support for Nvidia Optimus) working in natty but now I
can't seem to have nvidia driver loaded by jockey on account of this
code from nvidia.py. From jockey 0.9.4-0ubuntu10.1

if 'intel' in self.loaded_drivers():
  logging.debug('Disabling Nvidia driver on intel/hybrid system')
  return False

What's the reasoning behind this? I was going to attempt to use ironhide
(bumblebee evolution) but I need to have both GPU drivers loaded in
oneiric like I used to have in natty...

TIA,
Nuno

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[Bug 885204] Re: Recommending proprietary driver on hybrid systems can break 3D

2011-11-15 Thread Martin Pitt
Nuno, see the bug description. Installing the proprietary NVidia driver
installs NVidia's libGL fork, which is not compatible with intel's. So
while you configured the BIOS to use the intel card, you'd break your
X.org by installing nvidia.

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[Bug 885204] Re: Recommending proprietary driver on hybrid systems can break 3D

2011-11-02 Thread Bryce Harrington
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[Bug 885204] Re: Recommending proprietary driver on hybrid systems can break 3D

2011-11-02 Thread Bryce Harrington
@Martin, this lenovo laptop allows switching cards via BIOS.  Selecting
'discrete' will cause nvidia to load (which works properly if -nvidia is
installed).

** Changed in: jockey (Ubuntu)
 Assignee: (unassigned) = Martin Pitt (pitti)

** Changed in: jockey (Ubuntu)
   Status: New = Triaged

** Description changed:

  Hybrid systems have two video cards, but only one can be used as a time.
- On some machines, only the active card is active, but on some both cards
- are visible to Jockey.  In this case, if the system is set up to run on
- Intel (say) with Unity-3d active and working fine, jockey will notice
- the NVIDIA card and tell the user that the -nvidia driver is
+ On some machines, only the active card is visible, but on some both
+ cards are visible to Jockey.  In this case, if the system is set up to
+ run on Intel (say) with Unity-3d active and working fine, jockey will
+ notice the NVIDIA card and tell the user that the -nvidia driver is
  recommended, and required in order to run Unity-3d.  The user then
  installs nvidia as recommended, reboots, and then loses 3d (since
  they're now using the nvidia GLX library with the intel video driver
  running.)
  
  There's probably several different ways to solve this.  One idea would
  be a blacklist registering specific systems which we know have hybrid
  cards with this particular issue, and have jockey not suggest the
  proprietary driver in this case (unless perhaps a --force flag is passed
  or some such).
  
- ProblemType: Bug
- DistroRelease: Ubuntu 11.10
+ ProblemType: BugDistroRelease: Ubuntu 11.10
  Package: jockey-gtk 0.9.4-0ubuntu10
  ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 3.0.0-12.20-generic-pae 3.0.4
  Uname: Linux 3.0.0-12-generic-pae i686
  ApportVersion: 1.23-0ubuntu3
  Architecture: i386
  Date: Wed Nov  2 09:04:15 2011
  InstallationMedia: Ubuntu 11.10 Oneiric Ocelot - Release i386 (20111012)
  MachineType: LENOVO 417024U
  PackageArchitecture: all
  ProcEnviron:
-  PATH=(custom, no user)
-  LANG=en_US.UTF-8
-  SHELL=/bin/bash
- ProcKernelCmdLine: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-3.0.0-12-generic-pae 
root=UUID=8091c6fd-1036-47b4-8198-8c15474e7fad ro quiet splash initcall_debug 
vt.handoff=7
- SourcePackage: jockey
+  PATH=(custom, no user)
+  LANG=en_US.UTF-8
+  SHELL=/bin/bash
+ ProcKernelCmdLine: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-3.0.0-12-generic-pae 
root=UUID=8091c6fd-1036-47b4-8198-8c15474e7fad ro quiet splash initcall_debug 
vt.handoff=7SourcePackage: jockey
  UpgradeStatus: No upgrade log present (probably fresh install)
  dmi.bios.date: 03/04/2011
  dmi.bios.vendor: LENOVO
  dmi.bios.version: 8CET30WW (1.07 )
  dmi.board.asset.tag: Not Available
  dmi.board.name: 417024U
  dmi.board.vendor: LENOVO
  dmi.board.version: Not Available
  dmi.chassis.asset.tag: No Asset Information
  dmi.chassis.type: 10
  dmi.chassis.vendor: LENOVO
  dmi.chassis.version: Not Available
  dmi.modalias: 
dmi:bvnLENOVO:bvr8CET30WW(1.07):bd03/04/2011:svnLENOVO:pn417024U:pvrThinkPadT420s:rvnLENOVO:rn417024U:rvrNotAvailable:cvnLENOVO:ct10:cvrNotAvailable:
  dmi.product.name: 417024U
  dmi.product.version: ThinkPad T420s
  dmi.sys.vendor: LENOVO

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[Bug 885204] Re: Recommending proprietary driver on hybrid systems can break 3D

2011-11-02 Thread Martin Pitt
** Also affects: jockey (Ubuntu Oneiric)
   Importance: Undecided
   Status: New

** Also affects: jockey (Ubuntu Precise)
   Importance: Undecided
 Assignee: Martin Pitt (pitti)
   Status: Triaged

** Changed in: jockey (Ubuntu Oneiric)
   Status: New = Triaged

** Changed in: jockey (Ubuntu Precise)
   Importance: Undecided = High

** Changed in: jockey (Ubuntu Oneiric)
   Importance: Undecided = High

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[Bug 885204] Re: Recommending proprietary driver on hybrid systems can break 3D

2011-11-02 Thread Launchpad Bug Tracker
This bug was fixed in the package jockey - 0.9.5-0ubuntu2

---
jockey (0.9.5-0ubuntu2) precise; urgency=low

  * Merge from trunk:
- Add XorgDriverHandler.loaded_drivers(), as a prerequisite for LP #885204
- Update translations from Launchpad.
  * data/handlers/{fglrx,nvidia}.py: Do not offer these drivers if intel
X.org driver is loaded. On hybrid systems where intel is active,
installing the proprietary drivers and their libGL breaks intel.
(LP: #885204)
 -- Martin Pitt martin.p...@ubuntu.com   Wed, 02 Nov 2011 11:21:03 -0400

** Branch linked: lp:~ubuntu-core-dev/jockey/ubuntu

** Changed in: jockey (Ubuntu Precise)
   Status: Triaged = Fix Released

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[Bug 885204] Re: Recommending proprietary driver on hybrid systems can break 3D

2011-11-02 Thread Martin Pitt
Uploaded to oneiric-proposed, needs ubuntu-sru review.

** Changed in: jockey (Ubuntu Oneiric)
   Status: Triaged = Fix Committed

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[Bug 885204] Re: Recommending proprietary driver on hybrid systems can break 3D

2011-11-02 Thread Launchpad Bug Tracker
** Branch linked: lp:~ubuntu-core-dev/jockey/oneiric

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2011-11-02 Thread Launchpad Bug Tracker
** Branch linked: lp:ubuntu/jockey

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  Recommending proprietary driver on hybrid systems can break 3D

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[Bug 885204] Re: Recommending proprietary driver on hybrid systems can break 3D

2011-11-02 Thread Chris Halse Rogers
Hello Bryce, or anyone else affected,

Accepted jockey into oneiric-proposed, the package will build now and be
available in a few hours. Please test and give feedback here. See
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/EnableProposed for documentation how to
enable and use -proposed. Thank you in advance!

** Tags added: verification-needed

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[Bug 885204] Re: Recommending proprietary driver on hybrid systems can break 3D

2011-11-02 Thread Launchpad Bug Tracker
** Branch linked: lp:ubuntu/oneiric-proposed/jockey

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