[Bug 969422] Re: cannot save connection without specifying a gateway

2012-04-16 Thread Mathieu Trudel-Lapierre
That's reasonable, but please bring these concerns upstream on the
NetworkManager mailing list [1]; at that point they can be addressed
upstream, and we'll get any possible changes with the next release.

[1] http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list

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[Bug 969422] Re: cannot save connection without specifying a gateway

2012-04-14 Thread Istvan Szekeres
I accept this decision but I completely disagree with it. Forbidding me
entering a totally valid configuration for whatever reason but forcing
me to enter an invalid one absolutely does not sound right to me.

Analyzing the use case also does not tell me this is a right solution.
Those without strong knowledge of networking will most probably ask
someone else what data to enter (how the heck could they figure it out
themselves), so most probably they will be told the gateway address as
well. So what this feature is protecting them is that when they enter
the addresses they were told they simply forget one of them. I find it
very unlikely. Also they could do a lot other mistakes there - entering
wrong numbers, swapping the ip and the gw addresses, etc.

Also, what if they really do not have a gw address for that interface?
There is absolutely no indication that that is the reason for the button
to be disabled. It took me 10 minutes to figure it out. At least please
enable the button and complain about the missing gw when it is pressed.

I could also accept that the gw is required for the _first_ interface,
but not for additional ones (like in my case).

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[Bug 969422] Re: cannot save connection without specifying a gateway

2012-04-13 Thread Mathieu Trudel-Lapierre
Indeed, confirming: the gateway is correctly marked as mandatory since
it is for most connection setups.

As a workaround you may want to use Link-local only if both systems
don't need to be using a specific IP address -- the IP will be defined
automatically by avahi/zeroconf, and both systems should be reachable by
name via the .local domain (as per avahi again, and M-DNS). For
instance:

ssh pc1.local  (from pc2)
ssh pc2.local (from pc1)

And both would have an IP address in the 169.254.0.0 range, selected
randomly by the software on each system.

Otherwise you'll need to use a dummy gateway. If you really need to
avoid having the gateway set as default and override wifi, for example;
then you can check the Use this connection only for the resources on
its network checkbox under Routes.

Since this was explicitly done as a conscious decision to avoid issues
with users who may not have a strong knowledge of networking; I'll close
this as Won't Fix. We can revisit and reopen as necessary and once
discussion has been done with upstream.

** Changed in: network-manager-applet (Ubuntu)
   Status: New = Won't Fix

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[Bug 969422] Re: cannot save connection without specifying a gateway

2012-03-30 Thread Istvan Szekeres
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