[Bug 983254] Re: Unity use ibus explicitly, make it impossible to use other input method

2012-07-18 Thread Yu Ning
Hi @Henry Lin,

I was studying on this bug these days, and personally I support the XIM
way (https://code.launchpad.net/~paulliu/nux/nux/+merge/106875) for
this, because it could be an universal solution. However input methods,
HIME for example, still won't got worked without XIM support themselves.
So I want to check if it could be possible for HIME to add XIM support.

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[Bug 983254] Re: Unity use ibus explicitly, make it impossible to use other input method

2012-07-18 Thread Henry Lin
@Yu Ning
Hi, 
according to http://hime.luna.com.tw , 
FEATURES:
 * Supports GTK2+/GTK3+/QT3/QT4 im-module and XIM.

If HIME need a patch or something please file an issue here:
https://github.com/caleb-/hime/issues

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[Bug 983254] Re: Unity use ibus explicitly, make it impossible to use other input method

2012-07-18 Thread Yu Ning
Hi @Henry Lin,

Thank you for the information you provided, I will check that.

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[Bug 983254] Re: Unity use ibus explicitly, make it impossible to use other input method

2012-07-18 Thread csslayer
@Yu Ning
Hi, I'm working on porting your patch to make it use a unified way as 
InputMethod class. You can take a look a my merge request, though that's for 
fcitx only currently, but I'm working on xim support in that style. Current XIM 
support looks a little bit hack.

And still xim is not a very good solution (For reason we all know), if
hime side can provide a patch, I think that would be better.

Comments?

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[Bug 983254] Re: Unity use ibus explicitly, make it impossible to use other input method

2012-07-18 Thread Yu Ning
@csslayer
Hi, before I actually work on something I did had compared your branch and 
paulliu', and my first attempt is to merge paulliu's XIM patch to your branch, 
to provide InputMethodXim. However I failed to do that. The problem was I 
didn't found some proper way to handle events. But I think I could try this 
again, and hope I can managed it this time.

Any way, I think it is not a perfect idea to write a InputMethodXxx for
each IM, neither to add support inside each IM for nux's input method
interface. Both ways have a problem, that even if we add support for N
input methods, the user may want to use a (N+1)th one.

So in my personal opinion, to support the currently most widely used IM
protocols, XIM, GtkIMContext, QT..., should be a lazy but acceptable
way, almost every input method support at least one of them. However it
may be impossible, or at least hard, to support gtk/qt, because we never
know if a nux window is a GdkWindow, QWindow, or just a raw nux window.

However I support your solution on split nux's input method to an
interface with some implements. It did looks hacky  strange on current
ibus support or xim support.

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[Bug 983254] Re: Unity use ibus explicitly, make it impossible to use other input method

2012-07-17 Thread Yu Ning
** Branch linked: lp:~yuningdodo/nux/xim-preedit

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[Bug 983254] Re: Unity use ibus explicitly, make it impossible to use other input method

2012-07-10 Thread Andrea Azzarone
** Changed in: nux (Ubuntu)
   Status: Confirmed = In Progress

** Changed in: nux
   Status: Confirmed = In Progress

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[Bug 983254] Re: Unity use ibus explicitly, make it impossible to use other input method

2012-07-10 Thread csslayer
@Ma Xiaojun
No, things like ibus-fcitx will at least break fcitx, such idea will also break 
hime, saying so only show you don't know fcitx nor hime nor other IMF (maybe 
including ibus). It will lost consistency and if user switch to fcitx, nux will 
still not be able to use other im.

It will not introduce extra dependency if it's build in a modularized
way.

The existing XIM patch, IMHO should be ported to my patch way. Thus it
will also be able to support future wayland protocol.

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[Bug 983254] Re: Unity use ibus explicitly, make it impossible to use other input method

2012-07-10 Thread Ma Xiaojun
@csslayer
I won't reply I know better argument.

For the patch:
https://code.launchpad.net/~wengxt/nux/fcitx-support/+merge/114085/+preview-diff/+files/preview.diff

I know it has some dynamic in the run-time.
However, FcitxIMEContext, IBusIMEContext and IMEContextFactory are fixed in 
compile-time.
I don't think you can add HIME support in the run-time.
Instead, you have to add HimeIMEContext class, modify IMEContextFactory and 
compile the code again.

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[Bug 983254] Re: Unity use ibus explicitly, make it impossible to use other input method

2012-07-10 Thread Henry Lin
@Ma Xiaojun
Implementation will be better than comment... thanks.

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[Bug 983254] Re: Unity use ibus explicitly, make it impossible to use other input method

2012-07-09 Thread Ma Xiaojun
I've changed my mind a little bit.

Yes, some input methods (engines) in IBus sucks, seriously.
Built-in input methods in Mac OS X or Windows sucks too.
However, third-party input methods on Mac OS X or Windows would never ask users 
to replace input method framework in the system.

I think ibus-fcitx, ibus-gcin, ibus-hime, ibus-uim, ... would be the best way 
of publish alternative input methods on Ubuntu.
Tight dependency on one particular input methods framework could make things 
easier.

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[Bug 983254] Re: Unity use ibus explicitly, make it impossible to use other input method

2012-07-09 Thread missyou11
@Ma Xiaojun: Yes, most IMs on Win/Mac won't replace the IMF; it is
because they themselves aren't one. And I think an IM on Win call 万能五笔
which is independent from the system's IM framework.

And, I don't think it is a must for an IMF to ask the user before they
replace some part of the system.

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[Bug 983254] Re: Unity use ibus explicitly, make it impossible to use other input method

2012-07-09 Thread csslayer
** Branch linked: lp:~wengxt/nux/fcitx-support

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[Bug 983254] Re: Unity use ibus explicitly, make it impossible to use other input method

2012-07-09 Thread Ma Xiaojun
@missyou11
Thank you for pointing out 万能五笔 (Omnipotent Wubi).
http://www.wnwb.com/
It has both EXE外挂版 (EXE plugin version) and IME内置版 (IME built-in version).
EXE外挂版 has its own advantages as well as odds (as documented in the website).
And IME内置版 won't lose all the goodies about 万能五笔.

For Ubuntu, using ibus-fcitx for a while don't prevent a user to switch
to Fcitx completely later.

@csslayer
I've skimmed through the diff of the two Related branches. It seems that you 
are adding Fcitx in parallel to IBus. So that GCIN, HIME, UIM would still be 
unusable under nux. Though I personally advocate that alternative IMFs provide 
IBus frontends. I would like to see patches that make nux independent of IBus 
rather than patches that add dependency to yet another IMF.

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[Bug 983254] Re: Unity use ibus explicitly, make it impossible to use other input method

2012-07-06 Thread Brandon Schaefer
** Branch linked: lp:~paulliu/nux/nux

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[Bug 983254] Re: Unity use ibus explicitly, make it impossible to use other input method

2012-06-22 Thread Treviño
A part on agreeing with didrocks on everything, I think that if you
really want to get involved to fix this, you only have to join #ubuntu-
unity on freenode, and *talk* (not offending!) with developers (both
jaytaoko and bschaefer can help) about the best way to get this fixed.

If you want to help in this with code, I think that you should check the
TextEntry nux class, and provide for it a different IME method.

** Changed in: unity
   Importance: Undecided = Medium

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[Bug 983254] Re: Unity use ibus explicitly, make it impossible to use other input method

2012-04-19 Thread Ma Xiaojun
Hi, didrocks

The origin statement is actually quite clear if you remove words like
silly, fucking. It's human nature to be a bit virulent if they see
something really sucks.

Your paragraph on free software is pointless. It sounds like you don't
care the hot problem at all. You just beg for code.

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[Bug 983254] Re: Unity use ibus explicitly, make it impossible to use other input method

2012-04-19 Thread Didier Roche
@Ma: I don't believe that I said the issue isn't important by any way.
However, I do believe that when I sign something as the reporter did for
the CoC, I try to apply it because I believe in what I sign. This
description isn't the case by any extent.

I don't think the paragraph on free software is pointless. It just shows
that if the problem is that much important to reveal so virulent words
and so many reactions, there are many ways for any of impacted people to
get the problem fixed, as being an actor, not just acting like a
consumer.

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Re: [Bug 983254] Re: Unity use ibus explicitly, make it impossible to use other input method

2012-04-19 Thread YunQiang Su
On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 3:47 PM, Didier Roche didro...@ubuntu.com wrote:
 @Ma: I don't believe that I said the issue isn't important by any way.
 However, I do believe that when I sign something as the reporter did for
 the CoC, I try to apply it because I believe in what I sign. This
 description isn't the case by any extent.

 I don't think the paragraph on free software is pointless. It just shows
 that if the problem is that much important to reveal so virulent words
 and so many reactions, there are many ways for any of impacted people to
 get the problem fixed, as being an actor, not just acting like a
 consumer.
I noticed that you are a staff of Canonical, then why cannot you treat users
as consumers?

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 Status in Nux:
  Confirmed
 Status in Unity:
  Confirmed
 Status in “nux” package in Ubuntu:
  Confirmed

 Bug description:
  As you might want to solve some problem, just because of silly unity
  developer don't know how to fix your silly input method bug on input
  method, but you guys breaks  input method for so much user. In spite
  of ibus, there are several input method are widely used in the world,
  fcitx, gcin, hime, uim.

  As you fucking unity developers might not know, though install input
  method is so hard for normal users, but they are still trying to
  change the default one, in order to meet theirs need.

  And there are even more input method are coming for different
  scenario, for example Maliit for on-screen keyboard.

  This is totally going backwards from Ubuntu 11.10.

  So, if you want to throw all other input method away, ok, we will
  throw ubuntu away. Not to mention silly im-switch and im-config are
  still not working well.

  Related bug report:
  HIME: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/973808

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[Bug 983254] Re: Unity use ibus explicitly, make it impossible to use other input method

2012-04-19 Thread Didier Roche
@YunQiang: because besides being lucky and working at canonical, I first feel 
myself as an ubuntu member and being part of the community first. I was a 
benevole contributor for more than 5 years before joining canonical and I still 
consider having the same view since I work here.
Working for one of the sponsor of ubuntu doesn't change anything and I will 
certainly not treat user as consumer, as it's not my view of what a free 
software project is. ubuntu is I am what I am because of who we all are. We 
shouldn't forget it and I see no consumer/client paradigm on this.

Anyway, I made my point on this thread and gave my advice.

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[Bug 983254] Re: Unity use ibus explicitly, make it impossible to use other input method

2012-04-19 Thread Ma Xiaojun
@Didier Roche I haven't signed CoC. I'm not familiar with it. Maybe you
do take it seriously.

For the problem itself, I'd point out that some people still hope that
this problem can be fixed before the release of new 12.04 LTS. That's
why people come here and help increase heat. It is quite hard to do SRU,
right? As an Ubuntu advocate, I do hope Ubuntu, especially LTS, can be
almost bug-free. High quality free software is much easier to promote.
Even if people later discover some hacks to work around this bug, it is
still very hard to widely spread such work arounds.

If this bug cannot be fixed in a short time, then we can wait and see
whether any interested developers inside or outside Canonical come.

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[Bug 983254] Re: Unity use ibus explicitly, make it impossible to use other input method

2012-04-19 Thread Ray Wang
Looks like this discussion goes like in this[1] way, and guys, please
follow CoC as we are in the community.

I understand the code will affect lots of people, but virulent words
will help nothing. Please respect the developers as they are volunteers,
and get back to the topic, thanks in advance.

[1] https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=656680

** Bug watch added: GNOME Bug Tracker #656680
   https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=656680

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[Bug 983254] Re: Unity use ibus explicitly, make it impossible to use other input method

2012-04-19 Thread csslayer
I'm not even user of ubuntu, but hey, what will user do when they found
app A and app B cannot work together? Obviously they will stick to
either A or B which is important for them. So this time is ubuntu might
cause us lose user, and it's not even our fault! This is what I'm angry
about, and that's why I'm here.

From general point, who break it, who'd take response to fix it.

Anyway, I'm looking forward for some nux developers technical point on this.
1. Do nux need an extra plugin system for input method?
2. If so, what interface is needed? I can already seen there are some problems 
even with ibus.

Actually clutter have similar problem, but gnome guy use gtk-im-module
inside gnome-shell's st library, so gnome-shell can work with all
existing input method without problem.

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[Bug 983254] Re: Unity use ibus explicitly, make it impossible to use other input method

2012-04-18 Thread Aron Xu
** Also affects: nux (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided
   Status: New

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[Bug 983254] Re: Unity use ibus explicitly, make it impossible to use other input method

2012-04-18 Thread Launchpad Bug Tracker
Status changed to 'Confirmed' because the bug affects multiple users.

** Changed in: nux (Ubuntu)
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[Bug 983254] Re: Unity use ibus explicitly, make it impossible to use other input method

2012-04-18 Thread Ma Xiaojun
Please note that the so-called duplicate bug (actually reported earlier) may 
contain useful information for developers.
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/973808

Please check it!

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[Bug 983254] Re: Unity use ibus explicitly, make it impossible to use other input method

2012-04-18 Thread Ma Xiaojun
** Changed in: nux
   Status: New = Confirmed

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[Bug 983254] Re: Unity use ibus explicitly, make it impossible to use other input method

2012-04-18 Thread Daniel van Vugt
** Also affects: unity
   Importance: Undecided
   Status: New

** Changed in: unity
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  Unity use ibus explicitly, make it impossible to use other input
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[Bug 983254] Re: Unity use ibus explicitly, make it impossible to use other input method

2012-04-18 Thread 張旭
I DO NOT WANT TO USE ibus!

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[Bug 983254] Re: Unity use ibus explicitly, make it impossible to use other input method

2012-04-18 Thread Didier Roche
Starting the discussion insulting developers is really not the way to
go. In addition, please read the ubuntu code of conduct:
http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/conduct and consider restate
the description of the bug.

As on the actual issue, it's free software. If you provide a patch with
tests and well documented/formatted code, I'm sure the nux developers
will be more than happy to merge it. If you can't/don't want to develop
it yourself, good news, it's free software: you can sponsor a developer
to meet your need and get a patch ready that nux/unity developers can
review. You will show by this way that you care enough on this issue
(which it seems you do as virulent you are on the description) to commit
yourself either by writing code or by sponsoring someone to do it.

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