[Bug 9870] Re: Better spam filtering for evolution
I am using Gutsy, and have bogofilter installed, but not spamassassin. The filter as such works, but doesn't seem to be applied to the inbox, or new mail at all. I have to select All Messages, and then apply Check for Junk for the filtering to take place. If Fiesty it worked as it showed, but not now. This seems to be similar to http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=444503 -- Better spam filtering for evolution https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/9870 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 9870] Re: Better spam filtering for evolution
Evolution still selects spamassasin as the default junk filter in gutsy, although it should select bogofilter which is installed. -- Better spam filtering for evolution https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/9870 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 9870] Re: Better spam filtering for evolution
Gutsy here, bogofilter installed, and it seems to work, but the spam messages don't make it to the spam folder, just stay in inbox. -- Better spam filtering for evolution https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/9870 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 9870] Re: Better spam filtering for evolution
right, and bogofilter in install by default on gutsy, closing ** Changed in: evolution (Ubuntu) Status: Confirmed = Fix Released -- Better spam filtering for evolution https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/9870 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 9870] Re: Better spam filtering for evolution
I believe the fix for this has been released with Gnome 2.20: http://www.gnome.org/start/2.20/notes/en/index.html#rnusers-email-and- calendar Allows you to choose the Spam plugin (SpamAssassin or BogoFilter) via its preferences. And SpamAssassin will now actually learn when you mark emails as Junk or Not Junk. Can someone with Gutsy please verify? -- Better spam filtering for evolution https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/9870 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 9870] Re: Better spam filtering for evolution
I'm experiencing some strange warnings when I run Evolution from the command line. The warnings are: (evolution-2.10:27539): evolution-mail-WARNING **: ignored this junk plugin: not enabled or we have already loaded one (evolution-2.10:27539): e-utils-WARNING **: Plugin 'Spamassassin junk plugin' failed to load hook 'org.gnome.evolution.mail.junk:1.0' I'm using Ubuntu 7.04 Feisty Fawn with Evolution 2.10.1. I haven't installed the spamassassin package and I've therefor unchecked the spamassassin junk filter plugin in Evolution. So it looks like Evolution tries to load the spamassassin plugin even though it's turned off in the UI checkbox. I have the bogofilter junk plugin turned on and installed the bogofilter package. -- JS -- Better spam filtering for evolution https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/9870 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 9870] Re: Better spam filtering for evolution
Spam filtering under Gutsy Tribe 3 fails using the spamassassin plugin. It worked fine under 7.04. -- Better spam filtering for evolution https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/9870 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 9870] Re: Better spam filtering for evolution
For the record, I am running Ubuntu 7.04 on an AMD64 machine, and use Evolution to access mail via IMAP. Spam filtering with Bogofilter only works when a group of messages is selected, and the Message-Check for Junk menu item is chosen. So, it does not check automatically upon receiving new mail. I have also tried to set up filters to do things with new incoming mail, but again, this does not work -- only selecting messages manually, and choosing Message-Apply Filters will cause the filters to be executed on the selected messages. I have tried all combinations of options on the Receiving Options account-preferences tab (e.g. Apply filters to new messages in INBOX on this server, which sounds like the right thing), but nothing seems to work. So, in short, I think that unless this problem (of being able to run filters/check for spam on new incoming messages) is resolved (am I the only one experiencing it?), spam filtering will not work (properly or easily) for Evolution users who have IMAP accounts. -- Better spam filtering for evolution https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/9870 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 9870] Re: Better spam filtering for evolution
On my latest Ubuntu install (6.10), spamassassin was set up by default, and worked. I just had to create the mail filter. Previously (and particularly on other distros), it was a pain, of course! -- Better spam filtering for evolution https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/9870 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 9870] Re: Better spam filtering for evolution
OK - not sure if this help much but spamassasin used to work great. I think it got broke when I went to Edgy. -- Better spam filtering for evolution https://launchpad.net/bugs/9870 -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 9870] Re: Better spam filtering for evolution
Hi Ubuntu guys I have created an Evolution plugin that uses SpamBayes for filtering, it has not been tested that much yet, so i'm hoping from the adventorous of you to help test it. It is available as Debian packages from here (in the etch distribution): http://halfdans.net/wiki.py/DebianRepository The packages hopefully also works on Ubuntu, otherwise i'm sure some smart Ubuntu guy will create packages for it. There is a list of open issues here: http://halfdans.net/wiki.py/EvolutionSpamBayesPlugin Again, this is still experimental, so try at your own risk. -- Better spam filtering for evolution https://launchpad.net/bugs/9870 -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 9870] Re: Better spam filtering for evolution
** Changed in: evolution (Ubuntu) Assignee: Jeff Waugh = (unassigned) Target: ubuntu-5.04 = None ** Tags added: ubuntulove -- Better spam filtering for evolution https://launchpad.net/bugs/9870 -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 9870] Re: Better spam filtering for evolution
As a user, I'm more than happy to train my own spam filter. For me, this is perfectly understandable and reasonable. Problem is, I've been trying to train Evolution in Dapper for months now and it still lets a preposterously large amount of spam through. What a patsy of a spam tool! And yes, I have configured the right options in Evolution. I took an hour today to research and work on better spam filtering tools. I chose bogofilter. I installed it, (using aptitude) read the manual, and trained it by hand on the command line using both spam and good messages I've accumulated over the last few months. These steps all worked fine. But integrating bogofilter with Evolution was a most confusing experience, and even now I'm still not sure I've got it right. Integrating spam tools with email is where a good distribution like Ubuntu really _should_ come through. Make it a humane experience to hook up the spam filter, and we humans will happily train our own. Best! todd -- Better spam filtering for evolution https://launchpad.net/bugs/9870 -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 9870] Re: Better spam filtering for evolution
** Tags added: evolution -- Better spam filtering for evolution https://launchpad.net/bugs/9870 -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 9870] Re: Better spam filtering for evolution
what is the interest to add an evolution tag to an evolution bug? ** Tags removed: evolution -- Better spam filtering for evolution https://launchpad.net/bugs/9870 -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 9870] Re: Better spam filtering for evolution
bogofilter ham can be trained with POP/local mail, or with IMAP mail if you choose to keep local computer synced by cd-ing into the directory ($HOME/.evolution/mail/local/Inbox or $HOME/.evolution/mail/imap/account/folders/INBOX) and using either 'bogofilter -n /home/user/.evolution/mail/local/Inbox' or 'for file in [123456789]*; do bogofilter -n $file; done' as appropriate. -- Better spam filtering for evolution https://launchpad.net/bugs/9870 -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 9870] Re: Better spam filtering for evolution
All this training, spam, ham, blah blah - I've got to ask, why we don't just find a tool which uses RBL's and be done with the whole thing? In windows I use something called spampal which has a bunch of functionality but I use it basically as a turnkey method of accessing RBL's - virtually no spam gets through and I don't need to train anything. Spamassassin is meant to be able to use RBL's but its not at all obvious/or its borked on how to make it work effectively. Using RBL's does rely (obviously) upon having a internet connection whilst obtaining your new mail, so I can see some corner cases where it wouldn't work for people, but why not set up spam assassin by default to use RBL's and -also- use a trained filter if thats whats required to capture those corner cases? Craig -- Better spam filtering for evolution https://launchpad.net/bugs/9870 -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 9870] Re: Better spam filtering for evolution
why we don't just find a tool which uses RBL's and be done with the whole thing? Because self-learning filters generally perform a lot better after being trained, when considering both false negatives (no problem if there aren't many) and false positives (even 1 might get you in trouble). As (almost) every RBL I know causes lots of false positives, I don't think they are a good idea. Also, it would make it possible for a third party to hurt Ubuntu users badly (those RBLs are not under our control). -- Better spam filtering for evolution https://launchpad.net/bugs/9870 -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 9870] Re: Better spam filtering for evolution
I did not succeed in integrating spam-bayes into evolution in a easy manor, coz i am using IMAP and things became very tricky. I think bogofilter is the way to, because it is faster and it already has a evolution plugin. But from what i have read it is not always working right. And there has to be an easy way to train bogofilter from within evolution and it should be installed with evolution. -- Better spam filtering for evolution https://launchpad.net/bugs/9870 -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 9870] Re: Better spam filtering for evolution
As the initial poster it is nice to see that this is still concerning people. I will try to take matters in my own hand and describe the solution with the python written spambayes. It is really neat and the classification in spam, ham and UNSURE is really great, coz you only have to care for the few unsure messages. I think this solution would be best suited for Ubuntu. I´ll be back. -- Better spam filtering for evolution https://launchpad.net/bugs/9870 -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 9870] Re: Better spam filtering for evolution
In respect of SpamAssassin, the SpamAssassin version currently packaged with Dapper (and Edgy!) is 3.1.0 - now ten months (and four releases!) out of date. This makes it (sadly) to all intents and purposes useless as a spam filtering solution for real world deployment. The spam/spam filtering arena is effectively an arms race; the only way to filter spam effectively using SpamAssassin is to get current and stay current. I have raised this as a bug in and of itself: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/spamassassin/+bug/54480 -- Better spam filtering for evolution https://launchpad.net/bugs/9870 -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 9870] Re: Better spam filtering for evolution
It's not true that you can't bootstrap bogofilter with ham from within evolution, it's just not easily discoverable. What you have to do is mark at least one ham message as spam, then go to your spam folder and mark it as ham. From then on it will work. -- Better spam filtering for evolution https://launchpad.net/bugs/9870 -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 9870] Re: Better spam filtering for evolution
I would guess it should be easy to take a small cross section of users that have been bogofiltering for awhile and collect all their ham info. Then this could be shipped with the bogofilter as a reasonable starting point. Then again, I haven't looked into this sort of thing at all. -- Better spam filtering for evolution https://launchpad.net/bugs/9870 -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
