Re: [Bug 1905790] Re: Recompile SSSD in 20.04 using OpenSSL (instead of NSS) support for p11_child

2020-12-03 Thread Treviño
>> Soo... Given we prefer to stay conservative and not change SSSD crypto
> 
> I didn't say that!

I know, I'm not saying that you took a decision on that but I was
speaking in plural form as I recognize what you say in the sense that
indeed there may be cases which we don't think of that we could break.

>> backend fully (to be clear, I would have preferred it to follow
>> upstream, not to provide a solution that will change in next LTS no
>> matter what, and avoid having "frankensteins", but wasn't a strong
>> requirement for me) I've been exploring ways to get only the component
>> we care (p11_child) to use p11-kit and openssl.
> 
> This is certainly a valuable angle to look at - thanks!
> 
>> Robie, this would be better SRU approach?
> 
> I think you misunderstand me. I'm not saying that your upload *has* to
> be narrow. I've not formed an opinion that yet. What I'm saying is that
> whatever size of scope you choose, there must be a regression analysis
> that covers that scope.

I understood this, reason why I thought that, given we have the chance
to make it a narrower scope, then I tried to get that done.

> But the analysis is still necessary and must not be skipped.

Sure, not trying to do that, I'm just saying that I can't over all the
cases myself.


> I appreciate that sometimes it's harder or riskier to narrow the scope,
> so I'm still open to widening the scope - *if* there is an appropriate
> justification *and* full regression analysis of that wider scope
> provided.

Problem is that I'm quite sure we can't cover all the cases in a such
complicated piece of software that may be configured in so many ways.
Thus the reason I thought narrowing the scope was a better idea.

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Re: [Bug 1905790] Re: Recompile SSSD in 20.04 using OpenSSL (instead of NSS) support for p11_child

2020-12-02 Thread Robie Basak
On Wed, Dec 02, 2020 at 03:29:43AM -, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote:
> Soo... Given we prefer to stay conservative and not change SSSD crypto

I didn't say that!

> backend fully (to be clear, I would have preferred it to follow
> upstream, not to provide a solution that will change in next LTS no
> matter what, and avoid having "frankensteins", but wasn't a strong
> requirement for me) I've been exploring ways to get only the component
> we care (p11_child) to use p11-kit and openssl.

This is certainly a valuable angle to look at - thanks!

> Robie, this would be better SRU approach?

I think you misunderstand me. I'm not saying that your upload *has* to
be narrow. I've not formed an opinion that yet. What I'm saying is that
whatever size of scope you choose, there must be a regression analysis
that covers that scope.

If you take a widely scope, then I expect a regression analysis to cover
what I feel are the obvious possible implications of that change. By
nature of it being wider, the regression analysis can be expected to be
more work, of course. Because a wider scope generally correlates with
increased regression risk, I'd also expect a justification of why the
narrow scope is less desirable. But the analysis is still necessary and
must not be skipped.

If you take a narrow scope, then that's correlated with lower regression
risk, and because a regression analysis would be narrower in scope to
match, it might well be less work.

I appreciate that sometimes it's harder or riskier to narrow the scope,
so I'm still open to widening the scope - *if* there is an appropriate
justification *and* full regression analysis of that wider scope
provided.

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