Re: [Bug 422858] Re: Atom N280 frequency scaling not supported
I can confirm that BIOS 1.26 fixes this. Funny, 2nd level support swore up and down that there wasn't a problem... -- Atom N280 frequency scaling not supported https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/422858 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 422858] Re: Atom N280 frequency scaling not supported
I am in contact with Acer Level 2 support and they have been friendly but unable to help me out. According to them, the D250 with Windows 7 they have for testing shows no issues like this at all. It fully runs at 1.66 GHz. I was asked to return my laptop to second level support for a closer review, but right now I can't do that since I have no other computer for school usage. So I'm stuck. Acer says nothing's wrong and won't accept that there might be without seeing a customer case in person. I am interested enough that I consider buying a new computer just to let them lay their hands on my existing. It's just that I'm a student... Sigh. How hard can it be, really? -- Atom N280 frequency scaling not supported https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/422858 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 422858] Re: Atom N280 frequency scaling not supported
ti., 22.12.2009 kl. 22.22 +, skrev summerfk: > This bug isn't invalid. It affects a whole range of machines, not just > Lenovo. You are absolutely correct that this is a real bug, but you overestimate the area of function for this particular bug tracker. This is a BIOS bug, in a Ubuntu bug tracker regarding the Ubuntu implementation of the software called CPU frequency daemon. As such, the area of function for this bug tracker does not coincide with the technology in which we have located this bug. Alas, the bug is invalid in the given area. We all agree this bug should be fixed by the relevant party, but this has nothing to do with Ubuntu and will not ever have anything to do with Ubuntu. I'm not sure I would like to see this bug closed, but I understand every reason to do so. This is like discussing the lack of internet connection with your plumber. "I hear you, but why don't you call your ISP?" For my part, I have sent a request to get my money back for a purchase that gave me less than advertised. -- Atom N280 frequency scaling not supported https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/422858 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 422858] Re: Atom N280 frequency scaling not supported
This bug isn't invalid. It affects a whole range of machines, not just Lenovo. -- Sent from my iPhone On 23 Dec 2009, at 02:57, rkagan wrote: > On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 01:15:29PM -, Geralt wrote: >> Is Lenovo aware of this problem? I've seen some links here to >> topics in >> their forums, but no statement from Lenovo. > > Lenovo has no public issue tracker so you never can tell. > > I'm discussing the problem with their local support contact. However > it's dealt with at low priority because nobody but me complained so > far. > > Again: there's no bug in Ubuntu nor in Linux in general. The MSI > success story is yet another confirmation. There's no point polluting > Ubuntu bugspace with this. > > Let's close this bug as INVALID or whatever is appropriate, and let > the > people complain to their vendors. > > -- > Atom N280 frequency scaling not supported > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/422858 > You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber > of the bug. > > Status in “cpufreqd” package in Ubuntu: Confirmed > > Bug description: > Seems like there's a few people out there with a common problem. I > can't get my Ubuntu 9.04 to manage the frequency of the Atom N280 > CPU at 1,6 GHz on my Acer One D250 HD. > > A quick google with bing later I found that I could "sudo modprobe > acpi_cpufreq" except this returns "FATAL: Module acpi_cpufreq not > found". A "sudo dpkg-reconfigure gnome-applets" didn't cut it either. > > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_frequencies > returns: > 1333000 1066000 80 > > Which shouldn't be, as /proc/cpuinfo, as well as Windows 7, states > it's a 1,66GHz: > model name: Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU N280 @ 1.66GHz > stepping: 2 > cpu MHz: 1333.000 > power management: > > Though it seems the frequency is locked at 1,3GHz and that there's > no power management involved. > > Other peoples struggles with this: > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1201352&highlight=n280 > http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1209082.html > > To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cpufreqd/+bug/422858/+subscribe -- Atom N280 frequency scaling not supported https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/422858 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 422858] Re: Atom N280 frequency scaling not supported
On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 01:15:29PM -, Geralt wrote: > Is Lenovo aware of this problem? I've seen some links here to topics in > their forums, but no statement from Lenovo. Lenovo has no public issue tracker so you never can tell. I'm discussing the problem with their local support contact. However it's dealt with at low priority because nobody but me complained so far. Again: there's no bug in Ubuntu nor in Linux in general. The MSI success story is yet another confirmation. There's no point polluting Ubuntu bugspace with this. Let's close this bug as INVALID or whatever is appropriate, and let the people complain to their vendors. -- Atom N280 frequency scaling not supported https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/422858 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 422858] Re: Atom N280 frequency scaling not supported
Don't know. I have Acer. -- Sent from my iPhone On 22 Dec 2009, at 22:15, Geralt wrote: > Is Lenovo aware of this problem? I've seen some links here to topics > in > their forums, but no statement from Lenovo. > > -- > Atom N280 frequency scaling not supported > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/422858 > You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber > of the bug. > > Status in “cpufreqd” package in Ubuntu: Confirmed > > Bug description: > Seems like there's a few people out there with a common problem. I > can't get my Ubuntu 9.04 to manage the frequency of the Atom N280 > CPU at 1,6 GHz on my Acer One D250 HD. > > A quick google with bing later I found that I could "sudo modprobe > acpi_cpufreq" except this returns "FATAL: Module acpi_cpufreq not > found". A "sudo dpkg-reconfigure gnome-applets" didn't cut it either. > > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_frequencies > returns: > 1333000 1066000 80 > > Which shouldn't be, as /proc/cpuinfo, as well as Windows 7, states > it's a 1,66GHz: > model name: Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU N280 @ 1.66GHz > stepping: 2 > cpu MHz: 1333.000 > power management: > > Though it seems the frequency is locked at 1,3GHz and that there's > no power management involved. > > Other peoples struggles with this: > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1201352&highlight=n280 > http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1209082.html > > To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cpufreqd/+bug/422858/+subscribe -- Atom N280 frequency scaling not supported https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/422858 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 422858] Re: Atom N280 frequency scaling not supported
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 06:47:30AM -, summerfk wrote: > I get the same problem under Windows 7 - maximum speed is 1.33GHz > [...] > machine doesn't have the issue under XP. > [...] > I wonder why XP is different? Most likely the reason is different power profiles (by default XP has EIST off). > Win7 reports 1.33Ghz > CPUZ reports 1.66Ghz > So is this just a Win7 reporting bug? I guess it's rather CPU-Z reporting bug (or feature, they may just be not interested in the *actual* state). You should try Intel's own utility: http://www.intel.com/support/processors/tools/piu/ Also there are quite a few facts on power management at http://www.intel.com/support/processors/sb/CS-028855.htm -- Atom N280 frequency scaling not supported https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/422858 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 422858] Re: Atom N280 frequency scaling not supported
On Thu, Dec 03, 2009 at 12:25:12AM -, Runar Ingebrigtsen wrote: > I have upgraded to Karmic, so here's my SSDT2 table. Identical to mine. > Besides, I found this forum discussing how to load custom SSDT tables for > MacOS X: > > Stupid Question: Is this a possible approach in Grub? In principle yes: http://www.lesswatts.org/projects/acpi/overridingDSDT.php but that's way too hackish. Also, as noted at http://episteme.arstechnica.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/77909774/m/840002350041?r=665000550041#665000550041, the BIOS has problems with other P-states for this CPU (we have 800, 1066, 1333 while it should've been something like 833, 1000, 1333, 1666), so it must be doing something wrong in general. I still believe we need to get this fixed in the BIOS. If anybody has similar data on offtopic systems that would be a more convincing argument for the vendor. -- Atom N280 frequency scaling not supported https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/422858 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 422858] Re: Atom N280 frequency scaling not supported
Interesting news: MSI issues a BIOS update for its Atom N280-based netbook Wind U100 Plus with a changelog: Modify the string of CPU Frequency for W7 Dunno what that means but the owner may want to check it out: http://eu.msi.com/index.php?func=downloaddetail&type=bios&maincat_no=135&prod_no=1784 -- Atom N280 frequency scaling not supported https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/422858 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 422858] Re: Atom N280 frequency scaling not supported
On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 03:53:50AM -, Mehmet Atif Ergun wrote: > I've got a aod250-1613 (intel n280 + android + xp version) and this > affects me too. but is it possible that this is about the kernel rather > than cpufreqd (that's a deamon, right?)? As can be seen in the discussion above this is neither about cpufreqd nor the kernel. It's about BIOS bug. > I did not install cpufreqd. If I echo ondemand > > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor (from arch wiki), > it freqs down. And, again without modprobing acpi_cpufreq (or after > modprobing), the max freq shows itself to be 1.33 and not 1.66. Without acpi-cpufreq loaded you wouldn't have cpufreq subdirectory at all. And you *would* have your CPU frequency at 1.66 GHz. > Can that mean that there is something wrong with how the kernel reads > its info? No. By loading acpi-cpufreq you indicate that you want to control your CPU's frequency, selecting among the available P-states. The top P-state reported by the BIOS is 1.33 GHz. Complain to your BIOS vendor. -- Atom N280 frequency scaling not supported https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/422858 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 422858] Re: Atom N280 frequency scaling not supported
I just noticed that Acer released a new BIOS for AOD250, with no release notes as usual. Has anybody tried? Does it fix anything? -- Atom N280 frequency scaling not supported https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/422858 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 422858] Re: Atom N280 frequency scaling not supported
On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 12:13:21PM -, Runar Ingebrigtsen wrote: > fr., 13.11.2009 kl. 09.03 +, skrev rkagan: > > The P-state tables are located in dynamic SSDTs, look at > > /sys/firmware/acpi/tables/dynamic/SSDT2 > > The dynamic folder doesn't exist in my sys acpi tree. That was added in 2.6.29 development time. Apparently you have an older kernel. -- Atom N280 frequency scaling not supported https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/422858 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 422858] Re: Atom N280 frequency scaling not supported
fr., 13.11.2009 kl. 09.03 +, skrev rkagan: > The P-state tables are located in dynamic SSDTs, look at > /sys/firmware/acpi/tables/dynamic/SSDT2 The dynamic folder doesn't exist in my sys acpi tree. -- Atom N280 frequency scaling not supported https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/422858 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 422858] Re: Atom N280 frequency scaling not supported
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 11:55:33PM -, Runar Ingebrigtsen wrote: > I did like you mentioned in that post, but I don't see the same as you > on my D250. This is my decoded SSDT file. I don't know how to point out > anything here to Acer. Your SSDT table is exactly the same as mine, except for the addresses of the dynamic SSDTs due to 2 GB RAM in your machine vs 1 GB in mine ;) The P-state tables are located in dynamic SSDTs, look at /sys/firmware/acpi/tables/dynamic/SSDT2 -- Atom N280 frequency scaling not supported https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/422858 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 422858] Re: Atom N280 frequency scaling not supported
I tested the BIOS from Acer and got 1.66GHz but no power saving, as I expected after comments here. I replied with a compliment, asking for another attempt with focus on _both_ performance _and_ power saving. I also asked why we can't just get a BIOS with tables saying we have four speed steps. -- Atom N280 frequency scaling not supported https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/422858 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 422858] Re: Atom N280 frequency scaling not supported
I agree this shouldn't be a Ubuntu bug, but more people will probably look for this issue, so I suggest we keep it open until we see how it plays out with Acer. :) -- Atom N280 frequency scaling not supported https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/422858 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 422858] Re: Atom N280 frequency scaling not supported
I've added a comment with a few details on the matter at http://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Linux-Discussion/S10-2-Wrong-Clockspeed-ACPI-Table-Error/m-p/175100#M1616. You may want to try the same techniques to isolate the problem and make it a stronger case for Acer support. Meanwhile I feel ashamed keeping this bug open on Ubuntu when it's purely a h/w vendor fault. I suggest closing it with an appropriate status. -- Atom N280 frequency scaling not supported https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/422858 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 422858] Re: Atom N280 frequency scaling not supported
I wrote Acer, quoting your post to see what they say about that. I agree that battery time is what's most important. To me this is a case of not getting what was advertised and what was paid for. -- Atom N280 frequency scaling not supported https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/422858 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 422858] Re: Atom N280 frequency scaling not supported
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 11:35:45PM -, Runar Ingebrigtsen wrote: > "We have reached the conclusion that Intel's EIST power saving feature > is the source of varying frequency for this model. That's sorta telling the obvious. The whole point of this feature is to save power by varying the cpu clock rate. E.g. on a mostly idle system the clock sticks at its minimum, 800MHz. The problem is not in the feature per se, but in the fact that the BIOS reports the range of available frequencies smaller than the processor is actually capable of. As a result, the processor can't reach its maximum speed when it's needed because the OS thinks that the maximum is lower. Disabling the speed adjustment can be done by e.g. unloading the acpi-cpufreq module (well, from your original post I conclude that this may not be possible with Ubuntu kernel as it's apparently compiled in the kernel). However, you lose some of your on-battery time. So consider their proposal as a temporary workaround, which I wouldn't even apply myself becase I care more about the on-battery time than about the max cpu speed. A more likely reason for the problem is that their BIOS (InsydeH2O, as in my Lenovo S10-2, right?) is older than the processor and doesn't recognize its features, doing some defaults instead. This would also explain the other problem we both suffer from, the absense of NX bit support (which BTW is a security feature). -- Atom N280 frequency scaling not supported https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/422858 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 422858] Re: Atom N280 frequency scaling not supported
I received an email from Acer Norway about my Acer Aspire One D250, translated quote: "We have reached the conclusion that Intel's EIST power saving feature is the source of varying frequency for this model. In our custom BIOS' there is no switch for this feature, which means there is no choice but to run the computer with this feature enabled. To correct this behavior I made a request for a BIOS release with a direct option to deactivate Intel EIST. Please use the attached BIOS version and get back to me with your results." Unfortunately I haven't been able to flash my BIOS with this new version yet. My problem is that it's DOS-dependent and the flashit program just crashed on me when running it in FreeDOS from a USB memory stick. I have made a request for a Windows version like former BIOS releases from Acer, as I dual boot Windows 7 and Ubuntu. I don't dare to upload that BIOS release here on launchpad.net, due to it's potential to brick computers and likely copyright restrictions. All in all I'm having a positive dialogue with Acer. I will recommend that you make contact with the support crew for your computer maker and let them know about this bug here on launchpad. I insisted on getting technical support in spite of the usual mindless comments like "you have to return your PC so we can repair it" from 1st level support. I got forwarded to 2nd level support and they actually look into this issue, which is more than we are all used to expect. I also sent them all the links I from launchpad. Sending copy of this comment to Acer Nordic 2nd level support, so here goes signature. Best Regards Runar Ingebrigtsen -- Atom N280 frequency scaling not supported https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/422858 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 422858] Re: Atom N280 frequency scaling not supported
I see, thank you for pointing out such obvious facts in a friendly manner. ;) -- Atom N280 frequency scaling not supported https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/422858 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 422858] Re: Atom N280 frequency scaling not supported
I was asked to give the Windows 7 screenshot and my serial number again, so I uploaded the screens here for the Acer people to get involved, if they want to. :) At least they're getting back to me, asking for more information, which is more than I've learned to expect from different PC makers over the years. -- Atom N280 frequency scaling not supported https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/422858 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 422858] Re: Atom N280 frequency scaling not supported
I'm in touch with 2nd line support for Acer Nordic, and they tell me the issue have been escalated to 3rd line support at Acer HQ. I sent a reply to notify them of the D150, too. -- Atom N280 frequency scaling not supported https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/422858 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 422858] Re: Atom N280 frequency scaling not supported
I just received news from Acer that supposedly there's a new BIOS version coming up from Taiwan with correct ACPI tables. I have yet to receive the link but will post it here ASAP. -- Atom N280 frequency scaling not supported https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/422858 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 422858] Re: Atom N280 frequency scaling not supported
I have updated my BIOS with the latest version (Acer BIOS version 1.15 as of 2009/09/21) and it makes no difference. I will contact Acer for an explanation. -- Atom N280 frequency scaling not supported https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/422858 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 422858] Re: Atom N280 frequency scaling not supported
I can confirm that the kernel is getting the wrong CPU speed from the BIOS ACPI tables. Booting with acpi=off gives me 1.66 MHz (full speed) but no frequency scaling (off course, since acpi is disabled). Does anyone know of a working coreboot image for Aspire One? ;) -- Atom N280 frequency scaling not supported https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/422858 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
