[Bug 218715] Re: Alexandria crashes after startup

2008-04-17 Thread Joseph Method
Can you try most recent package (ubuntu2) from Hardy Universe repository
(might have to remove PPA repository to get it)? This was supposed to
fix a similar bug.

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[Bug 218715] Re: Alexandria crashes after startup

2008-04-17 Thread Joseph Method
Pretty sure this is an issue with ruby-gnome2 and 64bit (the terminated
object (0x40c66238) part makes it look like it's happening in the C part
of the bindings), but I'll try to investigate further.

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[Bug 218715] Re: (x86-64) Alexandria crashes when mouse over books

2008-04-18 Thread Joseph Method
You could try building and installing ruby-gnome2 from svn and seeing if
the behavior remains.

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[Bug 191905] Re: [sync-request] Please sync alexandria 0.6.2 from the alexandria-team PPA

2008-04-06 Thread Joseph Method
Good catch. I can clean these up in subsequent packaging, but there are
no issues here, I can confirm. All of these are necessary generated
products that aren't in the source package.

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[Bug 191905] Re: [sync-request] Please sync alexandria 0.6.2 from the alexandria-team PPA

2008-04-07 Thread Joseph Method
- One of the project admins wrote a custom rake based installer which displaced 
the extconf.rb based approach. Somewhere in the install code it's hardwired to 
install to debian if it's installing for a package. 
- We were told we had to use debtools and it seems they assume alexandria/

I can make changes to upstream (I am also a project admin), but I'm
reluctant because of approaching featurefreeze.

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[Bug 191905] Re: [sync-request] Please sync alexandria 0.6.2 from the alexandria-team PPA

2008-04-07 Thread Joseph Method
And regarding debian/rules, do you mean that everything that was done
with ruby before is now done with rake?

Yes.

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[Bug 191905] Re: [sync-request] Please sync alexandria 0.6.2 from the alexandria-team PPA

2008-04-07 Thread Joseph Method
Sorry, and rake is a ruby tool that's included in the build
requirements. extconf.rb is a monolithic ruby install script.

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[Bug 191905] Re: [sync-request] Please sync alexandria 0.6.2 from the alexandria-team PPA

2008-04-07 Thread Joseph Method
In this diff.gz  postinst, postinst, prerm are removed. Version number
has the -0 debian revision number. Changelog is more descriptive.
Redundant steps taken by the installer have been commented out.

** Attachment added: alexandria_0.6.3-0ubuntu1.diff.gz
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[Bug 191905] Re: [sync-request] Please sync alexandria 0.6.2 from the alexandria-team PPA

2008-04-15 Thread Joseph Method
This is a bit desperate, but any chance that the package can be improved
with the attached debdiff? This will make a very significant improvement
to the end-user experience and avoid numerous bug complaints. The
changes are:

+  * Add libruby-hpricot dependency -- otherwise the Amazon provider which 
handles the main functionality doesn't work out of the box.
+  * Change order of Amazon provider (fixed upstream) -- so that Amazon will be 
searched first
+  * Fix crashing bug with tooltips -- if a piece of metadata was missing the 
program would crash when user moused over the affected book

My sincere apologies for waiting so long; I had thought FinalFreeze was
absolute and was focused on making a package for inclusion in ubuntu-
backports. Again, these changes will make a huge difference, especially
in light of the LTS. I promise that in the future Alexandria project
will be on time and contribute through upstream Debian :)

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[Bug 191905] Re: [sync-request] Please sync alexandria 0.6.2 from the alexandria-team PPA

2008-04-04 Thread Joseph Method
diff.gz attached.

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[Bug 191905] Re: [sync-request] Please sync alexandria 0.6.2 from the alexandria-team PPA

2008-04-10 Thread Joseph Method
I take it today is the last day anything can be uploaded? I've done
everything I've been asked to do. Please upload, or you'll be shipping
with a mostly broken Alexandria.

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[Bug 191905] Re: [sync-request] Please sync alexandria 0.6.2 from the alexandria-team PPA

2008-04-10 Thread Joseph Method
Thanks, Emilio! What has to happen to get the upload approved?

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[Bug 191905] Re: [sync-request] Please sync alexandria 0.6.2 from the alexandria-team PPA

2008-02-14 Thread Joseph Method
PPA repository: https://launchpad.net/~alexandria-team/+archive
source package: alexandria 0.6.2 taken from 
http://alexandria.rubyforge.org/svn/trunk/alexandria r904 (can be considered 
0.6.2.1)

No known Ubuntu changes. Any Ubuntu changes should be overridden.

* Added man page
* Improved manual
* Significant stability improvements. 
* Adds Smart Libraries which are filtered views on your libraries. 
* New support for tagging books and filtering on tags. 
* New multi-input method for CueCat barcode scanners.
* Book data attributes for owning, having read, wanting, last read date  

* Bugs fixed post 0.6.2

#17437 Context right-click on library shouldn't wait for library to load
#17192 Please remove Encoding from desktop file
#17191 Website download link points to 0.6.2b2...
#16855 *** glibc detected *** corrupted double-linked list: 0x...
#16853 When looking for book cover, doesn't recognise HTML error page from 
adlibris.se
#16743 Entered ISBN whole screen turned grey and dialogue box did not respond 
for minutes
#16733 A book that was deleted and then re-added to a library is not stored 
#16728 0.6.2 does not start, perhaps due related to ruby/Revolution
#16708 Hitting refresh button makes deleted books reappear
#16699 Default smart libraries are not translated
#16680 mauvais affichage des caractéres accentués
#16647 Latest translaters aren't listed in the About dialog
#16633 Affiche de caractères accentués ne fonctionan pas correctement
#16618 When you go back into properties program removes read it tag
#16614 Loses details when using ISBN search
#16611 Entered true ISBN number and got a giberish book back
#16567 Add a book the button is grayed out
#16557 Close Button on About Dialogue   
#16541 Tends to Freeze

* Many bugs fixed since 0.6.1 including these in Rubyforge tracker:
#2518 #2533 #3130 #5911 #6742 #8173 #8719 #9545 #13482 #11170
#11306 #14164 #1423 #14592 #15510 #15924 #16355 #16356 (for full list with 
descriptions, see attachment)


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[Bug 191905] Re: [sync-request] Please sync alexandria 0.6.2 from the alexandria-team PPA

2008-02-15 Thread Joseph Method
Does it help to say that the packaging has been taken over by the
project maintainers, since the old maintainer left? And that the debian
directory is integrated into svn now?

Responding to Daniel Holbach:
Lots of changes have been made in the packaging:
 - dropped changelog entries,
   We switched to an automatic read-out of `svn log`.
 - changed maintainer
   As mentioned the old maintainer left, but now the project leads are the 
packagers.
 - added generated postinst/postrm/prerm?
Yes, we did a one-time generation of postinst/postrm/prerm. Is this against 
policy?
 - dropped watch file, dropped menu file, dropped manpage
   There is a manpage in the package. We think that menu files are possibly 
deprecated? And added watch file to r905.

We plan to release 0.6.3 immediately, to clean out our numbers, and
we'll make a new package off that. But we need to know: what changes
_must_ be made, what changes are optional, and can we still go forward
with a sync during this cycle, or are the MOTUs opposed?

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[Bug 191905] Re: [sync-request] Please sync alexandria 0.6.2 from the alexandria-team PPA

2008-03-19 Thread Joseph Method
Here's a diff.gz based on the 0.6.1 package available in Ubuntu. Please
note it's now at 0.6.3, and is versioned as a Debian package.

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[Bug 191905] Re: [sync-request] Please sync alexandria 0.6.2 from the alexandria-team PPA

2008-03-07 Thread Joseph Method
Please note this package has a watch file and a menu file.

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[Bug 180886] Re: tracker-extract crashed with signal 5 in g_malloc()

2008-02-03 Thread Joseph Method
I had this. I don't know if I'll be able to reproduce it. This happened
when I removed an empty Documents folder and then moved into place a
Documents folder with a large number of files in it. So it could be
something about Documents or the number of files or something wrong with
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[Bug 212467] Re: monodevelop 1.0 pkg cannot find libgtkembedmoz.so

2008-05-14 Thread Joseph Method
Sorry, this is after installing libxul0d

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[Bug 212467] Re: monodevelop 1.0 pkg cannot find libgtkembedmoz.so

2008-05-14 Thread Joseph Method
export MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME=/usr/lib/xulrunner/ makes the error message go
away for me on 8.04. I don't see any change in functionality, though.

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[Bug 251565] Re: Linux discourse 2.6.24-20-generic hardy-proposed USB mouse doesn't work

2008-07-24 Thread Joseph Method
It doesn't happen when I restart? (shrug)

** Changed in: linux (Ubuntu)
   Status: New = Invalid

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[Bug 251565] Re: Linux discourse 2.6.24-20-generic hardy-proposed USB mouse doesn't work

2008-07-24 Thread Joseph Method

** Attachment added: xorg.conf
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[Bug 251565] [NEW] Linux discourse 2.6.24-20-generic hardy-proposed USB mouse doesn't work

2008-07-24 Thread Joseph Method
Public bug reported:

hardy-proposed updated the kernel this morning. On first login in GDM
the connected USB mouse worked for a second then stopped. Replugged and
it worked for a second then stopped. Touchpad works.

This is on a Macbook with manually modified xorg.conf to enable right
click on the touchpad.

** Affects: linux (Ubuntu)
 Importance: Undecided
 Status: Invalid

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[Bug 251565] Re: Linux discourse 2.6.24-20-generic hardy-proposed USB mouse doesn't work

2008-07-24 Thread Joseph Method

** Attachment added: dmesg.txt
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[Bug 339228] Re: gnome-settings-daemon and gnome-display-properties slow down xserver when external monitor added

2009-03-10 Thread Joseph Method
When I strace g-s-d it sets up and forks. If I strace the pid there's a
lot of stuff like this repeating:

writev(3, [{\226\t\3\0\0\0\0[\276\0\0..., 12}, {NULL, 0}, {..., 0}], 3) = 
12
select(4, [3], [], NULL, NULL)  = 1 (in [3])
read(3, 
\1|\335\3\4\0\0\0[\276\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\1\0\2\0\0\0\0\0\0..., 
4096) = 48
read(3, 0x84bf068, 4096)= -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily 
unavailable)
poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN}, {fd=5, events=POLLIN}, {fd=9, 
events=POLLIN|POLLPRI}, {fd=11, events=POLLIN|POLLPRI}, {fd=12, 
events=POLLIN|POLLPRI}, {fd=13, events=POLLIN|POLLPRI}, {fd=14, 
events=POLLIN}], 7, 0) = 0 (Timeout)

The above is actually from the end of an strace on gnome-display-
properties where it occurs as well.

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[Bug 339228] Re: gnome-settings-daemon and gnome-display-properties slow down xserver when external monitor added

2009-03-10 Thread Joseph Method

** Attachment added: strace of g-s-d pid
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[Bug 339228] Re: gnome-settings-daemon and gnome-display-properties slow down xserver when external monitor added

2009-03-10 Thread Joseph Method

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[Bug 339228] Re: gnome-settings-daemon and gnome-display-properties slow down xserver when external monitor added

2009-03-11 Thread Joseph Method
Created a bugzilla bug here:
http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=574931

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[Bug 339228] Re: gnome-settings-daemon and gnome-display-properties slow down xserver when external monitor added

2009-03-12 Thread Joseph Method
Applying the patch that Peter Clifton suggested here
(https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libxrandr/+bug/307306/comments/23)
to libgnome-desktop-2-11 fixes the problems for me.

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[Bug 307306] Re: upgrade to 2:1.2.99.2-0ubuntu1 makes session utterly slow

2009-03-06 Thread Joseph Method
The g-s-d problem caused me to misinterpret a problem with dual-monitor
displays. On a Macbook 1,1 whenever I plugged in a DVI-to-HDMI connector
to a flatscreen television (using a TMDS-1 output on an intel card), on
hotplug the machine would start to slow down. On coldplug and an
unaltered xorg.conf it would attempt to load both displays but the
flatscreen would start flickering on and off and eventually stop
attempting to display anything. xrandr would show both active LVDS and
TMDS-1 connections. Any attempt to use gnome-display-settings would only
show a blank application window that could not be closed except by force
quit. I had assumed that this was an issue directly with xserver-xorg-
intel until I saw this bug.

As of today, killing gnome-settings-daemon immediately caused the
flatscreen video to appear and slowness issues are gone. Trying to use
gnome-display-settings immediately kills the display and shows the blank
window again. Perhaps this points to xrandr and intel, or xrandr and
dual-monitor auto-detection?

00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS,
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[Bug 307306] Re: upgrade to 2:1.2.99.2-0ubuntu1 makes session utterly slow

2009-03-06 Thread Joseph Method

** Attachment added: Xorg.0.log
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[Bug 307306] Re: upgrade to 2:1.2.99.2-0ubuntu1 makes session utterly slow

2009-03-06 Thread Joseph Method
Just to be clear, these are the same symptoms that Chousuke reported on
2009-01-26. Running gnome-display-properties will cause the screen to go
black until it's closed, regardless of whether g-s-d is running. A clean
X session with g-s-d disabled at startup and briefly running gnome-
display-properties is the same size as the previous log.

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[Bug 339228] [NEW] gnome-settings-daemon and gnome-display-properties slow down xserver when external monitor added

2009-03-07 Thread Joseph Method
Public bug reported:

Binary package hint: gnome-settings-daemon

Whenever I plugin an external flatscreen TV CPU use goes up, the mouse
jumps around and performance becomes jerky. The external monitor
flickers for a while and eventually gives up. Killing gnome-settings-
daemon immediately causes the external monitor to display properly.
Restarting gnome-settings-daemon or starting gnome-display-properties
separately both cause the external monitor to stop displaying. When I
tail the Xorg.0.log during these times there are spikes in messages
about polling the connected monitors for their display sizes.

Below I've included the text I wrote in comments to a similar bug
(https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libxrandr/+bug/307306) that
was eventually traced to gnome-settings-daemon and gnome-power-manager.

On a Macbook 1,1 
00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 
943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
Philips 42 LCD television

===
This g-s-d problem caused me to misinterpret a problem with dual-monitor 
displays. On a Macbook 1,1 whenever I plugged in a DVI-to-HDMI connector to a 
flatscreen television (using a TMDS-1 output on an intel card), on hotplug the 
machine would start to slow down. On coldplug and an unaltered xorg.conf it 
would attempt to load both displays but the flatscreen would start flickering 
on and off and eventually stop attempting to display anything. xrandr would 
show both active LVDS and TMDS-1 connections. Any attempt to use 
gnome-display-settings would only show a blank application window that could 
not be closed except by force quit. I had assumed that this was an issue 
directly with xserver-xorg-intel until I saw this bug: 
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libxrandr/+bug/307306.

As of today, killing gnome-settings-daemon immediately caused the
flatscreen video to appear and slowness issues are gone. Trying to use
gnome-display-settings immediately kills the display and shows the blank
window again. Perhaps this points to xrandr and intel, or xrandr and
dual-monitor auto-detection?

Just to be clear, these are the same symptoms that Chousuke reported
here:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libxrandr/+bug/307306/comments/37.
Running gnome-display-properties will cause the screen to go black until
it's closed, regardless of whether g-s-d is running. A clean X session
with g-s-d disabled at startup and briefly running gnome-display-
properties is the same size as the current log.

ProblemType: Bug
Architecture: i386
DistroRelease: Ubuntu 9.04
Package: gnome-settings-daemon 2.25.92-0ubuntu4
ProcEnviron:
 PATH=(custom, user)
 LANG=en_US.UTF-8
 SHELL=/bin/bash
SourcePackage: gnome-settings-daemon
Uname: Linux 2.6.28-8-generic i686

** Affects: gnome-settings-daemon (Ubuntu)
 Importance: Undecided
 Status: New


** Tags: apport-bug i386

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[Bug 339228] Re: gnome-settings-daemon and gnome-display-properties slow down xserver when external monitor added

2009-03-07 Thread Joseph Method

** Attachment added: Dependencies.txt
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/23582881/Dependencies.txt

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[Bug 339228] Re: gnome-settings-daemon and gnome-display-properties slow down xserver when external monitor added

2009-03-07 Thread Joseph Method

** Attachment added: Xorg.0.log
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/23582919/Xorg.0.log

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[Bug 307306] Re: upgrade to 2:1.2.99.2-0ubuntu1 makes session utterly slow

2009-03-07 Thread Joseph Method
Created new bug here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-
settings-daemon/+bug/339228

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[Bug 339228] Re: gnome-settings-daemon and gnome-display-properties slow down xserver when external monitor added

2009-03-09 Thread Joseph Method
I've attached two files, coldplug.txt where gnome-settings-daemon
--debug --no-daemon is run while the monitor is plugged in, and
hotplug.txt, where I unplugged the monitor, ran g-s-d, plugged in the
monitor and used xrandr --output TMSD-1 --mode 1920x1080 to activate the
monitor.

xrandr --auto causes the screen to go black momentarily, similar to the
initial moments with g-s-d when brief flashes of the screen can be seen
in-between blue or black screens.

** Attachment added: hotplug.txt
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/23678028/hotplug.txt

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[Bug 339228] Re: gnome-settings-daemon and gnome-display-properties slow down xserver when external monitor added

2009-03-09 Thread Joseph Method

** Attachment added: coldplug.txt
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/23678044/coldplug.txt

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[Bug 339228] Re: gnome-settings-daemon and gnome-display-properties slow down xserver when external monitor added

2009-03-09 Thread Joseph Method
CPU jumps up past 50% on the System Monitor graph with both g-s-d and
gnome-display-properties (top claims +60% CPU usage for Xorg). I used
glxgears below. I'm not sure how I would test with xrandr. xrandr --auto
just takes a second and there's no spike on the cpu history. By running
xrandr repeatedly maybe there's a slight increase in activity, but
nothing over 50% CPU.

glxgears before and after g-s-d

met...@discourse:~$ glxgears 
get fences failed: -1
param: 6, val: 0
302 frames in 5.0 seconds = 60.187 FPS
301 frames in 5.0 seconds = 60.119 FPS
301 frames in 5.0 seconds = 59.954 FPS
^C
met...@discourse:~$ gnome-settings-daemon --debug --no-daemon 
[1] 9295
snip
met...@discourse:~$ glxgears 
get fences failed: -1
param: 6, val: 0
20 frames in 5.3 seconds =  3.771 FPS
17 frames in 5.3 seconds =  3.196 FPS
20 frames in 5.2 seconds =  3.877 FPS

glxgears after gnome-display-properties

met...@discourse:~$ bg 1
[1]+ gnome-display-properties 
met...@discourse:~$ glxgears
get fences failed: -1
param: 6, val: 0
26 frames in 5.2 seconds =  5.017 FPS
34 frames in 5.4 seconds =  6.310 FPS
31 frames in 5.2 seconds =  5.933 FPS

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[Bug 145267] Re: Add rubygems bin to PATH

2008-09-29 Thread Joseph Method
FYI, I started a discussion on the Debian bug tracker:
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=403407

I think Neil has an interesting idea about gradually integrating
Rubygems with Debian. Debian Rubygems users would actually appreciate
this. For example, IIRC Rails requires a sqlite3-ruby gem which needs
the headers to compile. Much easier to just use the deb package for
libsqlite3-ruby. As a farther-out prospect, an Ubuntu-specific Rubygems
could intelligently install the sqlite3 package, detecting that the deb
version matches what's required by the gem.

This raises the question of whether we should even have Rubygems. The
reason we should say yes is that Rubygems is a cross-platform packaging
system. Gems have to install on MacOS and Windows, and Ruby development
is targeted to the gems. On those other systems it's necessary to
install all the headers before installing the related gems (many of them
are provided on the MacOS Developer CD). So Debian Rubygems could be a
*better* Rubygems.

As Neil mentioned this couldn't happen immediately.  I still wonder,
though, whether the relevant paradigm isn't build tools, or even rm.
Debian can't stop you from hosing your system as long as you can install
from source. If files are installed into /usr/local  at least the user
can delete everything under /usr/local/lib and /usr/local/share to get
back to a stable system.

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[Bug 145267] Re: Add rubygems bin to PATH

2008-09-22 Thread Joseph Method
I'd like to file a bug against the communication in this report. Also,
there is a caesura at the end leading to a breakup that is hard to
follow.

Actually, here's an explanation to save others time:
1. Neil Wilson uploads a package
2. Lucas Nussbaum and Scott Kitterman and others disagree with details about 
the packaging
3. They discuss it in ubuntu-devel here: 
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2008-August/026212.html
4. A bug is filed against the uploaded package by Scott Kitterman: 
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libgems-ruby/+bug/262063
5. The uploaded package is reverted by the powers that be
6. The problem will not be fixed this cycle :(

As Scott Kitterman says above, there could be a long useless discussion
about who is being more arrogant or dense or passive-aggressive. In
general I see a lot of confusion about priorities in the Debian
packaging system, as well as some pervasive confusion about the
relationship of Debian policy to the *two different packaging systems*
(I think Lucas Nussbaum and Neil Wilson both understood the precise
issues, but some others got confused). The best thing to do is start
planning for the next cycle on this, especially to make certain process
decisions and get certain clarifications and commitments now.

I would suggest:

0. Clarify that don't use gems isn't a solution. Gems are used for different 
reasons than Deb packages.
1. Clarify that Debian policy affects the installation of the rubygems files, 
but not the installation of gem files by rubygems.
2. Clarify that Debian policy frowns on installing _any_ rubygems files (that 
is, files carried by the Apt package) into /usr/local/ AND that there is a 
resistance to simply adding /var/lib/gems/1.{8,9}/bin to the path. The first is 
clear but not done by any proposed Rubygems Deb package (right?). The argument 
for the second is that gem binaries could then supercede system binaries. We 
need to clarify whether this is really beyond the pale, since the decision to 
install a gem is an administrator decision, not a user decision. In other 
words, installing a gem is equivalent to installing a source package except 
that gems allow for quick uninstall.
3. Commit that *if* Debian rejects movement toward a solution, Ubuntu _can_ 
maintain its own solution.
4. Clarify what if any changes are required/suggested for upstream
5. Commit that *if* upstream is unresponsive or uninterested, Ubuntu _can_ 
maintain its own patches.

I'd like to help make this happen for the next cycle and to get a
package candidate released into a PPA that Intrepid users can be
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[Bug 262063] Re: rubygems bin in PATH potentially breaks other applications and violates all sense of decency in packaging.

2008-09-21 Thread Joseph Method
I can't freaking believe we're going to go another cycle with a broken
Rubygems. The sad thing is that Ruby has a very creative and productive
developer community that is staying on or moving to MacOS because it's
so easy to get into Linux-y Ruby development there. Rubygems comes with
Leopard! Apple is actively targeting Ruby and Python open source
developers.

One misunderstanding about Rubygems in these reports is that Rubygems is
*not* used for system scripts (I mean, as a rule). It's used to keep
track of extremely quick-moving distributed development that's pulled
together for web applications (again, as a rule). Nobody would ever
dream of using a gem as a requirement in a Deb package. They would do
the right thing and package up the library for Apt. That's not the issue
here. Rubygems is a tool for keeping pace with the world of Ruby
development, which proceeds much faster than a distro packaging process.

One horrible irony in all this is that at least until recently the most
recent source package for Rubygems is actually broken on Ubuntu systems.
You have to manually edit a file to include a require statement
presumably because of a difference in the Ruby Debian package from the
standard upstream distribution. This is what a Deb package is supposed
to do, work out all the little details and even take up slack for the
upstream developers. Instead we get this. I'm pretty sure it loses
users.

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[Bug 77534] Re: Please update Ruby-Gnome2 to 0.16.0

2007-02-24 Thread Joseph Method
On the contrary. I am the maintainer of the Alexandria project, and most
of our bugs are related to 0.15.0 paired with Alexandria on Edgy. We
receive many uninteresting backtraces that just say crashed as a
result. Alexandria is much more stable when running with 0.16.0 from
tarball. Actually, Alexandria is heavily tied into Glade, and many of
the crashes indicate problems with 0.15.0 and this.

The Alexandria project is ready to do a new release, and one of the
things I have been waiting for is the 0.16.0 deb so that I can package
Alexandria with this as a minimum dependency.

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