Re: i386 EOL plans for Ubuntu Desktop?

[Marcos Alano]

On Jul 5, 2016 16:40, "Gunnar Hjalmarsson"  wrote:
>
> On 2016-07-05 21:31, Marcos Alano wrote:
> > 2016-07-05 12:57 GMT-03:00 Bryan Quigley
> > :
> >> The general ideas are:
> >> A. Drop ubuntu-desktop i386 ISO for 16.10 and drop some packages
> >> from the i386 archive - likely Unity7/8*.
> >
> > I think the option A should be put out of discussion or, at least,
> > analyzed very carefully. That's because some applications for i386
> > don't have equivalent for amd64. And other applications depend of
> > some i386 packages present in the repositories. Big examples are
> > Skype and Steam. Steam depends of a series of i386 packages for GUI.
>
> You can use those applications without installing a 32 bit system.
> Dropping the ISO isn't equivalent to dropping all the 32 bit packages.
>
Gunnar,

I know that. My idea is none of the packages should be dropped, for now at
least. What option A says is to drop ISOs and some packages. I think option
B, drop just ISO, is better. Did you understand?

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Re: i386 EOL plans for Ubuntu Desktop?

[Bryan Quigley]

On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 3:31 PM, Marcos Alano  wrote:
> 2016-07-05 12:57 GMT-03:00 Bryan Quigley :
>>
>> The general ideas are:
>> A. Drop ubuntu-desktop i386 ISO for 16.10 and drop some packages from
>> the i386 archive - likely Unity7/8*.
>> B.  Just drop ubuntu-desktop i386 ISO for 16.10.
>> C.  Keep everything as is for 18.04, and then consider dropping i386
>> in 18.10 timeframe.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>
> I think the option A should be put out of discussion or, at least,
> analyzed very carefully. That's because some applications for i386
> don't have equivalent for amd64. And other applications depend of some
> i386 packages present in the repositories. Big examples are Skype and
> Steam. Steam depends of a series of i386 packages for GUI.

Apologies for not making that clearer.   We are not considering
dropping the entire i386 archive until at *least* after 18.04.  So
Steam and Skype will still work (but really should make amd64
versions!).

The point of A is to prevent people from upgrading to i386 Unity.
With just dropping the ISO building, users could still upgrade to a
now less supported setup via direct packages.  This would block that
and we can come up with other transition options in that case
(autodetect if 64-bit capable and recommend reinstall, etc) - but
that's for a latter discussion I think.

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Re: i386 EOL plans for Ubuntu Desktop?

[Gunnar Hjalmarsson]

On 2016-07-05 21:31, Marcos Alano wrote:
> 2016-07-05 12:57 GMT-03:00 Bryan Quigley
> :
>> The general ideas are:
>> A. Drop ubuntu-desktop i386 ISO for 16.10 and drop some packages
>> from the i386 archive - likely Unity7/8*.
> 
> I think the option A should be put out of discussion or, at least, 
> analyzed very carefully. That's because some applications for i386 
> don't have equivalent for amd64. And other applications depend of
> some i386 packages present in the repositories. Big examples are
> Skype and Steam. Steam depends of a series of i386 packages for GUI.

You can use those applications without installing a 32 bit system.
Dropping the ISO isn't equivalent to dropping all the 32 bit packages.

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Re: i386 EOL plans for Ubuntu Desktop?

[Marcos Alano]

2016-07-05 12:57 GMT-03:00 Bryan Quigley :
>
> The general ideas are:
> A. Drop ubuntu-desktop i386 ISO for 16.10 and drop some packages from
> the i386 archive - likely Unity7/8*.
> B.  Just drop ubuntu-desktop i386 ISO for 16.10.
> C.  Keep everything as is for 18.04, and then consider dropping i386
> in 18.10 timeframe.
>
> Thoughts?

I think the option A should be put out of discussion or, at least,
analyzed very carefully. That's because some applications for i386
don't have equivalent for amd64. And other applications depend of some
i386 packages present in the repositories. Big examples are Skype and
Steam. Steam depends of a series of i386 packages for GUI.

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i386 EOL plans for Ubuntu Desktop?

[Bryan Quigley]

Hi all,

>From the thread on Ubuntu-devel/discuss [1] I'm going to start
conversations with each flavor on what their plans are for i386 in the
18.04 timeframe.  Also see the survey [2] results to get a rough idea
of the impact.

The general ideas are:
A. Drop ubuntu-desktop i386 ISO for 16.10 and drop some packages from
the i386 archive - likely Unity7/8*.
B.  Just drop ubuntu-desktop i386 ISO for 16.10.
C.  Keep everything as is for 18.04, and then consider dropping i386
in 18.10 timeframe.

Thoughts?
Bryan

* You could consider any packages that are 100% specific to the Unity flavor.

[1] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2016-June/039420.html

[2] These results are Unity specific (about 80 of the 300 responses).
How long do you expect this machine to last?
at least 1 year - 16
at least 3 years - 31
at least 5 years - 20
over 7 years -12

What would be the effect if support ended... (1 is no impact, 5 is
significant impact)
April 2019
1 - 21
2 - 9
3 - 12
4 - 12
5 - 19

April 2021  (16.04 LTS would cover these)
1 - 31
2 - 12
3 - 15
4 - 7
5 - 7

April 2023
1 - 47
2 - 5
3 - 12
4 - 3
5 - 4

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