Re: Restricted extra/addons

[Daniel van Vugt]

Doug, I bring good news...

gstreamer1.0-vaapi actually does not depend on the "bad" plugins, or any 
other gstreamer plugins.


And yes you are right mpv is much better than totem for performance and 
smoothness. I hope to bring totem up to the same standard eventually.


totem/gst-vaapi will work in a Wayland session after we release my fixes 
in 17.10. You can try an early version here:


https://launchpad.net/~vanvugt/+archive/ubuntu/videoaccel

- Daniel


On 03/08/17 04:58, doug wrote:
gstreamer1.0-vaapi currently deps on the bad plugins, are you all going 
to change that?


For the most part it's worked well over the past couple of years, not 
nearly as efficient as vaapi in mpv but still a decent reduction in cpu use.


(- probably 20 -35% of what totem would use without, similar to what vlc 
does when vlc happens to work.


Though atm it, (totem/gst-vaapi) doesn't seem to work at all in wayland 
session, actually only mpv does sans window deco..


Doug


On 08/02/2017 07:30 AM, Will Cooke wrote:


On 2 August 2017 at 02:53, Daniel van Vugt 
> 
wrote:


Although gstreamer1.0-plugins-bad does have important uses such as
providing audio codecs and the GL plugin, totem will install it on
demand, anyway. So yes you should be able to drop it.

I would like to add a couple to that list though:
 - va-driver-all (should include i965-va-driver)
 - gstreamer1.0-vaapi



Is there value in getting them promoted to main for 18.04?  I think 
the codec licensing is taken care of by the graphics hardware vendor 
so I think we should be ok there.  If Totem will pull them in 
automatically that's good - but I'd love to be able to go one step 
further and have them "in the box".


Cheers, Will









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Re: Default App: GNOME Logs

[Sebastien Bacher]

Hey Jeremy,

Le 01/08/2017 à 13:42, Jeremy Bicha a écrit :
> I believe by default, gnome-logs shows a lot more logs than
> gnome-system-log does especially if we enabled the persistent journal.

gnome-logs sounds like the way to go but we should probably look at how
we can make more content visible on screen because at the moment it
somewhat makes it quite difficult to read through a log (the text is big
by default, there is not a lot of horizontal space and you can't scroll
in that direction, which means you only see a small part of the lines
and need to click on each entry to see the missing part which is highly
suboptimal)

What do other thing about the usability?

Cheers,

Sebastien Bacher


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Re: Restricted extra/addons

[Bryan Quigley]

> Although gstreamer1.0-plugins-bad does have important uses such as providing
> audio codecs and the GL plugin, totem will install it on demand, anyway. So
> yes you should be able to drop it.
>
> I would like to add a couple to that list though:
>  - va-driver-all (should include i965-va-driver)
>  - gstreamer1.0-vaapi

va-driver-all is already brought in by gstreamer1.0-libav

Which means we only need to add gstreamer1.0-vaapi to the list and
it's less than 1 MB, so easy win :).

> On 02/08/17 00:18, Bryan Quigley wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Been looking at what's brought in by default by the restricted
>> checkbox in the installer and I think we can have better defaults.
>> Here is a brief summary of what we have today:
>>
>> ubuntu-restricted-addons (what the installer checkbox does)
>>   - Flash
>>   - gstreamer1.0-fluendo-mp3
>>   - chromium-codecs-ffmpeg-extra
>>   - gstreamer1.0-libav (and dependencies are 114 MB)
>>   - gstreamer1.0-plugins-ugly (just 5 MB)
>>   - gstreamer1.0-plugins-bad (314 MB)
>>
>> ubuntu-restricted-extras (what we recommend if on installed system)
>>   - the above ubuntu-restricted-addons
>>   - libavcodec-extra
>>   - ttf-mscorefonts-installer
>>   - unrar
>>
>> Proposals (all just affect being in the metapackages, not in
>> archives).  I'm envisioning ending the -extras package.
>>
>> Flash - remove
>> Adobe is officially killing it entirely at end of 2020 -
>> https://blogs.adobe.com/conversations/2017/07/adobe-flash-update.html
>> Apparently Mac OS may have stopped including it by default in *2010*.
>> Mozilla (and all browser vendors) will make Flash more inconvenient to
>> use in the 2nd half of 2018.  Requiring people to specifically install
>> it will make it easier to determine how many Ubuntu users actually
>> really want Flash.
>>
>> gstreamer1.0-fluendo-mp3 - hoping we can provide MP3 support by
>> default soon like Fedora just did (right?).  Still on track for 18.04
>> or can that be pushed up?
>>
>> gstreamer1.0-plugins-bad - remove
>> This is by far the heaviest item we bring in and from what I can tell
>> libav and ugly really cover the majority of codecs most people will
>> run into.   Bad plugins also likely provide an easy security target as
>> they say they have code quality issues.
>>
>> unrar - remove
>> One of the biggest uses is with comic books, but apparently that can
>> be done for free these days -
>>
>> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/07/evince-3-26-will-let-view-adobe-illustrator-cbr-files
>> I also don't expect the use of unrar to be anywhere near the tasks the
>> other packages enables.
>>
>> libavcodec-extra  - remove or move to -addons
>> no preference, doesn't seem like size is the issue
>>
>> ttf-mscorefonts-installer - promote to -addons
>> Fonts missing is one of the biggest reasons documents in LibreOffice
>> don't like they do in MS Office.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Bryan
>>
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Restricted extra/addons

[Amr Ibrahim]

On 02/08/17 14:00, ubuntu-desktop-requ...@lists.ubuntu.com wrote:
> gstreamer1.0-fluendo-mp3 - hoping we can provide MP3 support by
> default soon like Fedora just did (right?).  Still on track for 18.04
> or can that be pushed up?

I think gstreamer1.0-fluendo-mp3 is now redundant and could be dropped.

In gstreamer 1.12, mp3 decoding is done by the mpg123 plugin 
(libgstmpg123.so) in gst-plugins-ugly.

https://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/data/doc/gstreamer/head/gst-plugins-ugly-plugins/html/gst-plugins-ugly-plugins-plugin-mpg123.html

It is in gstreamer1.0-plugins-ugly, which depends on libmpg123-0, and 
pulled in by ubuntu-restricted-addons.

I don't know whether Fluendo (the company) still maintains 
gstreamer1.0-fluendo-mp3 or not. On the other hand, I can see that 
mpg123 is actively maintained.
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Re: Restricted extra/addons

[Will Cooke]

On 2 August 2017 at 02:53, Daniel van Vugt 
wrote:

> Although gstreamer1.0-plugins-bad does have important uses such as
> providing audio codecs and the GL plugin, totem will install it on demand,
> anyway. So yes you should be able to drop it.
>
> I would like to add a couple to that list though:
>  - va-driver-all (should include i965-va-driver)
>  - gstreamer1.0-vaapi
>


Is there value in getting them promoted to main for 18.04?  I think the
codec licensing is taken care of by the graphics hardware vendor so I think
we should be ok there.  If Totem will pull them in automatically that's
good - but I'd love to be able to go one step further and have them "in the
box".

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Re: Restricted extra/addons

[Will Cooke]

On 1 August 2017 at 17:18, Bryan Quigley 
wrote:

> Proposals (all just affect being in the metapackages, not in
> archives).  I'm envisioning ending the -extras package.
>
> Flash - remove
>

+1 for 18.04.  It will be dead before the end of the LTS period so I think
that makes good sense.



> gstreamer1.0-fluendo-mp3 - hoping we can provide MP3 support by
> default soon like Fedora just did (right?).  Still on track for 18.04
> or can that be pushed up?
>

I've been talking to our legal team and the opinon is that it's not quite
as clear cut as it would appear.  18.04 should be fine to drop it, but
17.10 we should keep it.



> unrar - remove
>
One of the biggest uses is with comic books, but apparently that can
> be done for free these days -
> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/07/evince-3-26-will-let-
> view-adobe-illustrator-cbr-files
> I also don't expect the use of unrar to be anywhere near the tasks the
> other packages enables.
>

No objections here.



> libavcodec-extra  - remove or move to -addons
> no preference, doesn't seem like size is the issue
>

I think leave it as it is and once we have a clearer idea of what will be
needed per Daniel's reply we can do those updates at the same time.


> ttf-mscorefonts-installer - promote to -addons
>

+1


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