Re: Ubuntu Software Store: What it does, and how you can help
On Fri, 2009-08-28 at 11:07 +0100, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: The nifty thing about store is that it has those two meanings -- shop, and repository I don't agree. Store primarily means a place where you *purchase* things. The secondary meaning of a repository implies that it's somewhere that *you* can store software you have, not somewhere that you obtain new software (for free). Scott -- Scott James Remnant sc...@canonical.com signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: 3Gb ram being reported as 1.9Gb
On Mon, 2009-03-30 at 23:33 +0100, (``-_-´´) -- BUGabundo wrote: Olá Nishith e a todos. On Monday 30 March 2009 15:44:10 Nishith Nand wrote: Should also note that some boards are incapable of using DIMMs bigger then some size, or chipset limits to the amount of address memory. In your case maybe you are being hit by the board limit or a faulty DIMM. Run memtest to be sure. I have an ASUS A8N VM mobo, it supports 4GBs of RAM. Its detected correctly by windows. memtest shows me 3071MB RAM. I guess you found a bug... http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug (or better yet: $ apport-cli -fp linux) Not necessarily; I'd still like to hear whether the amd64 version works fine. If it does, it's most likely the BIOS memory layout that's the issue. A PAE-enabled kernel would probably work - Nishith: have you tried installing a -server variant of the kernel and seeing whether that can utilise all of your memory? Scott -- Scott James Remnant sc...@canonical.com signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: 3Gb ram being reported as 1.9Gb
On Sun, 2009-03-29 at 20:37 +0530, Nishith Nand wrote: I know that 32 bit ubuntu has a limit at around 3.3 Gb but I have less than that. So, I was hoping that I won't have to install the server or the 64bit version. The memory is detected correctly in the BIOS. I am using jaunty 32bit, fully upgraded. Actually the limit of 32-bit entirely depends on your BIOS, it would only be factually true to say that the limit is less than 4GB. A possible scenario is that the BIOS places the first 2GB where you'd expect, and then leaves a 2GB aperture for things like video card memory and DMA - placing your final 1GB above the 4GB memory address. This would result in only 2GB being visible to a 32-bit operating system, such as Ubuntu i386. Have you tried an Ubuntu amd64 Live CD? I assume that your system is capable of running a 64-bit version. Does this show the full range of memory? If so, I suggest checking your BIOS for such things as apertures and memory holes to see whether you can have your additional 1GB mapped to lower memory than it is currently being. Scott -- Scott James Remnant sc...@canonical.com signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: fontconfig vs. Gnome
On Wed, 2009-03-04 at 16:30 +, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: Excuse me, ma'am, I've set the font rendering to 'Best shapes', is that okay? I don't know, what are the other choices? 'Monochrome', 'Best contrast', 'Subpixel smoothing', and 'Use system settings'. 'Use system settings'? What does that mean? For you, ma'am, it means 'Subpixel smoothing'. But 'Subpixel smoothing' is one of the other options you just gave me, isn't it? YOU HAVE FIVE NEW UPDATES. Yes, it is. pause So ... why did you offer it with two different names? Were you trying to trick me? Not at all. That's just the one we recommend for you, so we want to make it twice as likely that you'll choose it. Oh, for heaven's sake. You could have just *told* me that you recommend it ... But wait a minute. If you recommend 'Subpixel smoothing' for me, why on earth did you set it to 'Best shapes' to start with? I'm terribly sorry, ma'am, one of my other personalities was dominant when I did that. longer pause Your ... other ... personalities? Yes, ma'am, that was my 'Gnome' personality. Right now I'm in my 'fontconfig' personality. You have the personality of a gnome? ... No, wait, don't bother answering that question. I'm leaving. Scott -- Scott James Remnant sc...@canonical.com signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Desktop Team meeting, 2008-10-23
For minutes of previous meetings, please see DesktopTeam/Meeting. == Present == * Scott James Remnant (Keybuk) - chair * Alexander Sack (asac) * Arne Goetje (ArneGoetje) * Bryce Harrington (bryce) * Chris Cheney (calc) * Jonathan Riddell (Riddell) * Kenneth Wimer (kwwii) * Martin Pitt (pitti) * Matthew Paul Thomas (mpt) * Sebastien Bacher (seb128) * Mirco Müller (MacSlow) * Pedro Villavicencio Garrido (pedro_) * Ted Gould (tedg) == Agenda == * New team members * Team meeting time * (pitti) Hardy Langpack Update * Release Status * Review activity reports * Any other business == Actions from this meeting == * asac to help ArneGoetje perform a manual upload * asac to talk to infinity to find out why Launchpad is breaking firefox langpacks == New team members == After Monday's reorganisation, the desktop team has the following new members: * Alexander Sack (asac): Firefox, Network Manager * Arne Goetje (ArneGoetje): i18n, l10n * Bryce Harrington (bryce): X.org * Chris Cheney (calc): OpenOffice.org == Team meeting time == With the new timezone spread, it makes sense to reevalulate when that meeting should be held. The spread looks like this: || ||'''00'''||'''01'''||'''02'''||'''03'''||'''04'''||'''05'''||'''06'''||'''07'''||'''08'''||'''09'''||'''10'''||'''11'''||'''12'''||'''13'''||'''14'''||'''15'''||'''16'''||'''17'''||'''18'''||'''19'''||'''20'''||'''21'''||'''22'''||'''23'''|| || ArneGoetje ||#ffa0a0||#ffa0a0||#ffa0a0||#ffa0a0||#ffa0a0|| || || || || || || || ||#ffa0a0||#ffa0a0||#ffa0a0|| || || || || || || ||#ffa0a0|| || asac || || || || || || || ||#a0||#ffa0a0||#ffa0a0||#ffa0a0||#ffa0a0||#ffa0a0||#ffa0a0||#ffa0a0||#ffa0a0||#ffa0a0||#a0||#a0||#a0||#a0||#a0||#a0|| || || bryce ||#ffa0a0||#ffa0a0||#a0||#a0||#a0||#a0||#a0||#a0|| || || || || || || || ||#a0||#ffa0a0||#ffa0a0||#ffa0a0||#ffa0a0||#ffa0a0||#ffa0a0||#ffa0a0|| || calc ||#a0||#a0||#a0||#a0||#a0|| || || || || || || || ||#a0||#ffa0a0||#ffa0a0||#ffa0a0||#ffa0a0||#ffa0a0||#ffa0a0||#ffa0a0||#ffa0a0||#ffa0a0||#a0|| || Keybuk || || || || || || || || ||#a0||#ffa0a0||#ffa0a0||#ffa0a0||#ffa0a0||#ffa0a0||#ffa0a0||#ffa0a0||#ffa0a0||#ffa0a0||#a0||#a0||#a0||#a0||#a0||#a0|| || kwwii || || || || || || || ||#a0||#ffa0a0||#ffa0a0||#ffa0a0||#ffa0a0||#ffa0a0||#ffa0a0||#ffa0a0||#ffa0a0||#ffa0a0||#a0||#a0||#a0||#a0||#a0||#a0|| || || mpt|| || || || || || || || ||#a0||#ffa0a0||#ffa0a0||#ffa0a0||#ffa0a0||#ffa0a0||#ffa0a0||#ffa0a0||#ffa0a0||#ffa0a0||#a0||#a0||#a0||#a0||#a0||#a0|| || pitti || || || || || || || ||#a0||#ffa0a0||#ffa0a0||#ffa0a0||#ffa0a0||#ffa0a0||#ffa0a0||#ffa0a0||#ffa0a0||#ffa0a0||#a0||#a0||#a0||#a0||#a0||#a0|| || || Riddell|| || || || || || || || ||#a0||#ffa0a0||#ffa0a0||#ffa0a0||#ffa0a0||#ffa0a0||#ffa0a0||#ffa0a0||#ffa0a0||#ffa0a0||#a0||#a0||#a0||#a0||#a0||#a0|| || seb128 || || || || || || || ||#a0||#ffa0a0||#ffa0a0||#ffa0a0||#ffa0a0||#ffa0a0||#ffa0a0||#ffa0a0||#ffa0a0||#ffa0a0||#a0||#a0||#a0||#a0||#a0||#a0|| || Agreement was that '''1600 UTC''' was a suitable time, due to the clash with the managers meeting, the meeting day will be moved to '''Tuesday'''. There will be no team meeting from next week due to the release, so the next meeting will be on '''Tuesday November 4th at 1600UTC'''. == Hardy Langpack Update == pitti raised the issue that the current hardy language packs still break firefox translations, the Firefox scripts are fixed byt Launchpad forgot to export the latest templates. This can be worked around with a manual upload for the time being. * asac to help ArneGoetje perform a manual upload * asac to talk to infinity to find out why Launchpad is breaking firefox langpacks == Activity reports == === Alexander Sack (asac) === * ubufox release work * coordinate final call for intrepid translations with saivaan; provide help on integrating and testing those submissions; do final sign-off tests for all translations and integrate them into ubufox upstream branch. * fix RC bug LP: #259914 - prefs in ubufox extension override system prefs * release ubufox 0.6 final, prepare packaging branch and upload to intrepid * NM release work * prepare/upload upstream snapshots: NM, applet and vpn plugins * cherry-picking individual upstream translation commits and upload to intrepid * discuss ath5k regression bugs on various channels * identified a bug/hardy-intrepid-regression in ifupdown plugin that probably contributes to the general unmanaged/managed mode confusion (LP: #279262); prepared a first fix and uploaded to PPAs; Next: get QA/RM to decide whether we want this in intrepid-final or want to do an early-SRU instead
Desktop Team meeting, 2008-10-16
For minutes of previous meetings, please see DesktopTeam/Meeting.
== Present ==
* Scott James Remnant (Keybuk) - chair
* Jonathan Riddell (Riddell)
* Kenneth Wimer (kwwii)
* Martin Pitt (pitti)
* Matthew Paul Thomas (mpt)
* Michael Vogt (mvo)
* Sebastien Bacher (seb128)
* Ted Gould (tedg)
== Agenda ==
* Outstanding actions from last meeting
* (kwwii) Status of splitting of gnome-themes package
* [[http://people.ubuntu.com/~dholbach/sponsoring/|Sponsoring Overview update]]
* Release Status
* Review activity reports
* Any other business
== Status of splitting of gnome-themes package ==
kwwii asked about the status of splitting the gnome-themes packages, however
since we are now in final release freeze, this kind of change is simply too
invasive and will be deferred to jaunty.
== Activity reports ==
=== Jonathan Riddell (Riddell) ===
* generally lots of bug fixing before release
* continual poking and discussion about why language packs are still totally
incomplete
* commit our plasma improved logout patch upstream
* fix samba support in kio-smb
* add back KDE 3's mediamanager needed for easy music player support in Amarok
* Various fixes to install-package and language-selector
* Checking and uploading patches to Adept
* Fixing casper for kubuntu documentation
* half day archive admin
* fix taskjuggler compile
* Various discussions on the bluetooth problem, no resolution
todo:
* RC
* keep poking people until complete language packs appear
no milestoned bugs
=== Kenneth Wimer (kwwii) ===
* gconf settings for panel bg fix (finding which keys to set, etc)...now
finished and in intrepid human-theme package. going to learn more about how to
put these gconf changes directly into a theme
* rounded ff gtk discussion: we changed gtkrc's, talked about patch with
asac...now we found out that the patch will not go in until 3.01, reverted
everything in gtkrc
* wallpapers, themes, etc. all in intrepid now
* renamed NewHuman to DarkRoom, edited theme to have more contrast in the
tabs, darker more saturated colors #275271
* little green man...figuring out what to do about this
* made branding svg for kubuntu
=== Martin Pitt (pitti) ===
Assigned Intrepid specs: all implemented
Currently open intrepid targeted bugs: all killed ATM
Other non-chores work done:
* Lots of RC and other bug fixing
* gphoto digicam handling is finally fixed for good now
Sponsoring:
* cut quite a dent into the queue and processed everything which I can
reasonably judge and shouldn't be postponed
* abiword, curl, gdm, g-p-m, gnome-terminal, gzip, libexif (intrepid/hardy),
nis, nvidia-graphics-drivers-17{3,7}, nvidia-settings, pm-utils, tracker,
ubuntu-docs, ubuntu-wallpapers, ubuntu-artwork, human-theme
=== Matthew Paul Thomas (mpt) ===
(This is for the past two weeks, since I wasn't at last week's meeting.)
* Various internal Canonical stuff, and Launchpad design feedback.
* Polished fglrx upgrade text for Michael Vogt.
http://paste.ubuntu.com/50556/
* Several discussions with Ted Gould about handling upgrades to the new status
menu.
* With Evan Dandrea, discussed renaming the live CD the Test Drive CD.
https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/live-cd-and-persistence
* 2008-10-06 ~ 2008-10-10: Attended Gnome User Experience Hackfest. Many ideas
are now published on the Gnome wiki.
http://live.gnome.org/Boston2008/GUIHackfest
* 2008-10-11 ~ 2008-10-13: Attended Gnome Boston Summit. Had good discussions
about accessibility options, and presenting system settings in general.
=== Michael Vogt (mvo) ===
Milestoned Bugs (with intrepid task):
* #278112 - Screensaver does not start with compiz
* #19021 - should run dpkg --configure -a automatically
Milestoned bugs (targets of opportunity for me):
* #267749 - libflashsupport removal in u-m
* #276606 - maintainer script failure in rkhunter (universe)
* #277301 - maintainer script failure in djvulibre (universe)
* #283155 - bug in pythons urllib, not easy to trigger, might need a workaround
Upgrades:
* Add quirks handler for kdelibs4-dev to kdelibs5-dev (#279621)
* work on debian-cd to make small adjustments for the we have no uncompressed
packages files anymore case
* fix hang in partial upgrades mode (on cleanup)
* add code to the xorg_fix_intrepid script to remove input devices after the
xserver 1.5 upgrade (hal is used now) and add apport suppotr
* fix race between apt.cron.daily and the release upgrader
* merge the aptcdrom update-manager branch that can deal with missing
uncompressed Packages files on the CD
* revert fglrx-ati transition now that we have fglrx
* fix crash with gconf and kde tempfile handling
* fix crash when etckeeper was used in large installations (sigpipe issue)
* Upgrade testing
compiz:
* 0.7.8 upload into intrepid
* work on the compiz crash #145360, no progress, upstream
* Debug/fix gnome-control-center appearance issue (#275744) with update
compiz/plugins-main/plugins
Desktop Team Meeting, 2008-10-02
For minutes of previous meetings, please see DesktopTeam/Meeting. == Present == * Scott James Remnant (Keybuk) - chair * Jonathan Riddell (Riddell) * Kenneth Wimer (kwwii) * Martin Pitt (pitti) * Matthew Paul Thomas (mpt) * Michael Vogt (mvo) * Mirco Müller (MacSlow) * Sebastien Bacher (seb128) * Ted Gould (tedg) * Pedro Villavicencio Garrido (pedro_) == Agenda == * Outstanding actions from last meeting * Farewells * Handling the logout applet/old fusa - new fusa transition on upgrades * [[http://people.ubuntu.com/~dholbach/sponsoring/|Sponsoring Overview update]] * Release Status * Keybuk: [[https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/libtool/+bug/258491|Bug #258491: link_all_deplibs=no patch no longer working well]] ''no time to review yet'' * Riddell: [[https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/kdebase/+bug/241916|Bug #241916: Kde help index creation fails due to dash incompatability]] ''still to look at'' * kwwii: [[https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/gtk2-engines-murrine/+bug/266954|Bug #266954: window manager theme -Human Murrine- is not installed]] ''no update?'' * pitti: [[https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/hal/+bug/275825|Bug #275825: After an upgrade to intrepid, HAL prefers old fdi-cache to new FDI files]] ''no update?'' * pitti: [[https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/usplash/+bug/264696|Bug #264696: usplash is not started on shutdown/reboot]] ''new'' * pitti: [[https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/consolekit/+bug/263245|Bug #263245: console-kit-daemon crashed with SIGSEGV in fclose()]] ''Cannot reproduce, need some time to intensely stare at the code'' * pitti: [[https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/coreutils/+bug/262811|Bug #262811: mv for symlinks on dapper is not atomic]] ''new bug from this week; cursory review showed some weirdness in the supplied patch, need more time to look into this'' * pitti: [[https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/logrotate/+bug/256891|Bug #256891: missingok does not work]] ''needs some deep investigation, bug accepted in Debian, but wontfix for etch; pretty much a design issue AFAICS, for intrepid we'll at most get a workaround'' * pitti: [[https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/jockey/+bug/263097| Bug #263097: wl vs. b43 are not properly configured]] ''fixes prepared for hardy and intrepid; hardy waiting for Steve's SRU approval, intrepid waiting for beta freeze lift'' * mvo: [[https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/synaptic/+bug/19021|Bug #19021: Should run dpkg --configure -a automatically]] ''not for intrepid?'' * mvo: [[https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/compiz/+bug/275744| Bug #274744: Intrepid: Compiz settings selector blanks although the setting selected still functions]] ''new'' * mvo: [[https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/apt/+bug/276349|Bug #276349: intrepid alternate CD make apt print out a warning]] ''new'' * ted, seb218: [[https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/fast-user-switch-applet/+bug/274146|Bug #274146: Has not yet replaced the existing log out applet]] ''meeting agenda item'' * ted: [[https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/gnome-power-manager/+bug/261084|Bug #261084: Suspends again right after resume]] ''new'' * Review activity reports * Any other business * package updates * gnome-themes * nautilus-cd-burner == Outstanding actions from last meeting == * pitti to discuss gnome-keyring confirmation dialog behaviour in upstream bug ''done'' * mvo to decide on FOSScamp attendance ''coming'' * kwwii to decide on FOSScamp attendance ''not coming'' * seb128 to add GNOME people to sponsorship list ''done'' == Actions from this meeting == * seb128 to propose three options for [[https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/fast-user-switch-applet/+bug/274146|Bug #274146]] == Farewells == ted and MacSlow are leaving the team for the new desktop experience team, but will likely still hang out in meetings. mvo will be moving to the foundations team in a few weeks. == Handling the logout applet/old fusa - new fusa transition on upgrades == This is being discussed in [[https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/fast-user-switch-applet/+bug/274146|Bug #274146]]. We agreed to continue the discussion there, seb128 will propose three solutions. == package updates == Discussion about whether or not to update Ekiga and GIMP took place, seb128 was s strong proponent of updating both and GIMP is at least already on his list. == gnome-themes == kwwii began a discussion about the gnome-themes package, which has been suggested to be split into two pieces; one containing good themes and the other not so good themes. seb128 strongly suggests retaining the gnome-themes package, separating out the others into a seperate package; or having gnome-themes as a dummy package
Re: Reorganisation of the desktop wiki pages
On Wed, 2008-09-17 at 00:03 +0200, Cesare Tirabassi wrote: So far I cleaned up the portal, created a new header entry (news, for the monthly report) and created a new page which lists all desktop owned packages with ubuntu and debian versions: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Desktop/Packages Why the creation of a /Desktop/ hierarchy which is otherwise empty? Shouldn't this be /DeskopTeam/Packages? Scott -- Scott James Remnant [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Desktop team meeting, 2008-09-04
For minutes of previous meetings, please see DesktopTeam/Meeting. == Present == * Scott James Remnant (Keybuk) - chair * Jonathan Riddell (Riddell) * Kenneth Wimer (kwwii) * Martin Pitt (pitti) * Matthew Paul Thomas (mpt) * Michael Vogt (mvo) * Mirco Müller (MacSlow) * Sebastien Bacher (seb128) * Ted Gould (tedg) ## list additional participants here * Pedro Villavicencio Garrido (pedro_) == Agenda == * Outstanding actions from last meeting * Final decision on Pidgin/Empathy discussion (tedg) * Human Theme Bug (kwwii) * XDG_SESSION_COOKIE problems (MacSlow) * [[http://people.ubuntu.com/~dholbach/sponsoring/|Sponsoring Overview update]] * Release Status * Review activity reports * Any other business == Outstanding actions from last meeting == * Riddell to follow up on MIR bug for libzip to remind pitti. ''Done.'' * mvo to talk to QA about the possibility of a package-failures component and triaging it. ''Informally discussed, but no mail sent yet.'' * seb128 to discuss MIR, seed changes and CD size implications with doko. ''see empathy'' == Actions from this meeting == * mvo to talk to QA about the possibility of a package-failures component and triaging it. * pitti to ask ArneGoetje about hunspell dictionary dependencies * seb128 to update whiteboard of intrepid-menus-review and better-login-speed for remaining todos == Final decision on Pidgin/Empathy discussion == After mpt's review, the final decision was to delay the switch until next cycle. == Human Theme Bug == kwwii has a bug in the human theme packaging, and wanted to know who he could go to for help. It was clarified that any of his team mates should be able to help, and if it's urgent then to contact the team Technical Lead pitti for help. == XDG_SESSION_COOKIE problems == MacSlow has been having problems with $XDG_SESSION_COOKIE not being set in the new gdm, which pitti believes is due to his D-Bus installation being hosed. Help will be given after the meeting on #ubuntu-desktop. == Release Status == * Spell Check cleanup: ArneGoetje still needs to change the dependencies of the hunspell dictionaries, pitti will ask * UbuntuSpec:intrepid-menus-review and UbuntuSpec:better-login-speed still have various items to be done, which will occur after the next GNOME update. * UbuntuSpec:intrepid-desktop-systemprefs MIR complete and now in main, gnome-control-center patch is in intrepid. == Activity reports == === Jonathan Riddell (Riddell) === done: * overseeing 4.1.1 packaging * brief alpha 6 testing * fixes to update-manager, update-notifier-kde, language-selector * three days off todo: * fix oem-config * fix lots of other bugs no milestoned bugs === Kenneth Wimer (kwwii) === * package 3 community themes and included them in my PPA * updated the human theme to include a lighter version as well as the dark version, packaged it and put it in my PPa * fixing human theme bug in Intrepid * worked on new icon set work with community, wiki page is up, launchpad project setup, etc * discussed wallpaper with the guy who made wall-light. Waiting for a response on whether we can include it (license issues) === Martin Pitt (pitti) === Just a three-day report due to my holidays. Assigned Intrepid specs: * UbuntuSpec:intrepid-device-permissions Steve added pam-config-framework-ification of libpam-ck-connector (thanks!) so that it gets auto-activated; getting rid of the fuse group is too intrusive now, and my very limited feature development time in intrepid wasn't enough for this; after discussion with Scott, I moved that item to the next ubuntu releases list and consider this implemented. * UbuntuSpec:gdm-guest-account More or less implemented now, spec has release note and test case sections; just needs some bug fixing now. beta available * UbuntuSpec:jockey-printer-driver-support actual printer driver lookup, presentation, and installation works, thus beta available. still need to do some UI changes to present license and support status, and incorporate some usability feedback from mpt; I'll need a FF exception for those. Currently open milestoned bugs: None Other non-chores work done: * Post-holiday catchup on email, MIRs, SRUs, and various bits people nagged me about * Fixed my two alpha-5 RC bugs (fsck f*ckage and shutdown/reboot in Ubuntu system menu), and some other bugs in cups and sudo * Fixed yet another breakage in python-launchpad-bugs, wiggled the retracer chroot back into working order, restarted retracer bots * Reviewed and applied some apport merge requests * helped out a bit with Alpha-5 RMing to backup Steve (who was on holiday Mon/Tue) === Matthew Paul Thomas (mpt) === Summary of non-trivial stuff for past week: * Finishing various leftover Launchpad branches. * Helped Marc Tardif with design of hardware testing results. * Helped Ted Gould with design of status-switching menu. * Completed design of improvements for buying
Re: Call for testing empathy
On Fri, 2008-08-08 at 22:12 +0200, Laurent Bigonville wrote: Empathy[1] will be part of the upcoming GNOME 2.24 desktop. The ubuntu desktop team considers using it instead of Pidgin for intrepid as default IM client. If you are running intrepid, please give empathy a test and report bugs to launchpad[2]. It may be installed by running synaptic and installing the empathy package or by running sudo apt-get install empathy. If you experiment a bug have a look at [3] before reporting. I've made a tweak to the layout of the Empathy chat window. The tabs were filling the entire top of the window, which: a) is inconsistent with just about every other application[0] b) causes people to feel hesitant about making the window wider, leading to some odd feedback from my test subjects If anyone has any particularly strong feelings either way, please let me know - otherwise if nobody complains too much, I'll submit it upstream as a patch in a little while. Scott [0] except for gnome-terminal, which is not a poster child -- Scott James Remnant [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Desktop Team meeting, 2008-08-14
For minutes of previous meetings, please see DesktopTeam/Meeting.
== Present ==
* Scott James Remnant (Keybuk) - chair
* Martin Pitt (pitti)
* Michael Vogt (mvo)
* Mirco Müller (MacSlow)
* Sebastien Bacher (seb128)
* Ted Gould (tedg)
* Pedro Villavicencio Garrido (pedro_)
== Apologies ==
* Jonathan Riddell (Riddell) - aKademy
* Kenneth Wimer (kwwii) - on leave
* Matthew Paul Thomas (mpt) - laptop broken
== Agenda ==
* Outstanding actions from last meeting
* Automatic installation reports (mvo)
* Empathy (pitti)
* GDM
* [[http://people.ubuntu.com/~dholbach/sponsoring/|Sponsoring Overview
update]]
* Review activity reports
* Any other business
== Outstanding actions from last meeting ==
* Riddell to follow up on MIR bug for libzip to remind pitti.
''Not done?''
== Actions from this meeting ==
* mvo to talk to QA about the possibility of a package-failures
component and triaging it.
* seb128 to discuss MIR, seed changes and CD size implications with
doko.
== Automatic installation reports ==
mvo asked how useful are the apt filed installation failed reports?
Should we not file them against the failed package (e.g. gedit) but
against a central virtual component (like install-failurs) because most
likely the problem is not with gedit, but with e.g. scrollkeeper that is
run in the gedit postinst? This way triaggers can pinpoint the problem
and assign to the right packages. I got some complaints that the apt
bugreports clutter the buglists too much.
== Empathy ==
pitti asked for an opportunity to talk about the review of Empathy and
noted his own personal opinions on the matter, he didn't have any
particular argument for or against it so far, which is the general
feeling from the mailing list as well.
Upstream have been very responsive to all complaints and bugs found.
Since upgrades will be unaffected, consensus was to try Empathy by
default for the next alpha, and judge the response.
== GDM ==
A lot of activity on the GDM front upstream, unfortunately most of it
was of the bloody and brutal kind.
seb128 had the best summation of the argument between Fedora and GNOME.
{{{
Fedora it's fine this way
GNOME no it's not
Fedora yes it is
}}}
Other distributions such as Mandriva are equally appalled at the state
of the project.
== Activity reports ==
=== Jonathan Riddell (Riddell) ===
done:
* Fix kdebase-runtime for network-manager 0.7, and fix oxygen cursors
* Switch to phonon-backend-xine, works with compositing and means using
same media engine as amarok
* recommend kwin on compiz-wrapper
* test and upload knetworkmanager 0.7
* At akademy since weekend, best quote I've noticed the network
breaking for users of every distro except Kubuntu
No milestoned bugs
=== Kenneth Wimer (kwwii) ===
On leave.
=== Martin Pitt (pitti) ===
Assigned Intrepid specs:
* intrepid-device-permissions: BLOCKED on pam-config-framework
* gdm-guest-account: More or less implemented now, spec has release
note and test case sections now; just needs some bug fixing now
* jockey-printer-driver-support: most bits are in, just needs some
details added now; no progress this week
Currently open milestoned bugs: None ATM
Other non-chores work done:
* spent two days with fixing FTBFSes and uninstallability, and
generally shaping up the archive for consistency
* spent the rest of the time debugging/fixing release critical bugs for
alpha-4 and general release management
* cleaned up rookery:~ubuntu-archive's 40 GB home directory to 7 GB
=== Matthew Paul Thomas (mpt) ===
Laptop broken.
=== Michael Vogt (mvo) ===
Upgrades:
* work on the sandbox-upgrader and update version in the PPA
compiz:
* new snapshot (took a bit to fight the build system to build without
the kde3 parts) split compiz-wrapper out for kwin4 (thanks riddell!)
PackageMaintainednessPresentation:
* working on the UI with mpt
system-wide-preferences:
* Work on systemwide preferences
* upload system-services (the backend) and a patched
gnome-control-center to my PPA
apt:
* discuss how to improve apport bug filtering on the client already to
not sent useless bugreports to LP and improved the client side filtering
(thanks to seb128 for bringing this up)
alpha-4:
* updated command-not-found-data and app-install-data-ubuntu
* work on the ddtp translations, include partly translated package
records too and upload new version
misc:
* mentoring/review/sponsoring/bug triage
* kick MoM (was choking on incomplete source packages downloads)
* kick popcon (seems to be restored now)
* tested NM 0.7 with gprs mobile and spend a bit of time exploring
that, bluetooth does not work with NM, but usb does (if the fdi file is
correct) and then NM rocks
=== Mirco Müller (MacSlow) ===
login-experience/gdm-face-browser:
* IRC-discussion with gdm's upstream about needed boiler-plate parts
for the graphical-greeter, turned out that also a GdmUserManager is
needed
* after failed attempt to write a simple custom user-manager
Desktop team meeting, 2008-08-07
For minutes of previous meetings, please see DesktopTeam/Meeting. == Present == * Scott James Remnant (Keybuk) - chair * Jonathan Riddell (Riddell) * Martin Pitt (pitti) * Matthew Paul Thomas (mpt) * Michael Vogt (mvo) * Mirco Müller (MacSlow) * Sebastien Bacher (seb128) * Ted Gould (tedg) * Pedro Villavicencio Garrido (pedro_) == Apologies == * Kenneth Wimer (kwwii) - on Leave == Agenda == * Welcome mpt * Outstanding actions from last meeting * libzip MIR (Riddell) * Team structure, member shuffling (pitti) * Activity report length (mvo) * Roadmap update * Empathy vs Pidgin * New gnome-session * [[http://people.ubuntu.com/~dholbach/sponsoring/|Sponsoring Overview update]] * Review activity reports * Any other business == Outstanding actions from last meeting == * MacSlow to clarify gdm goals for face browser for Intrepid/Intrepid+1. Requirements mailed out, feature freeze unlikely to be met. * mpt to follow up with upstream about UI improvements in new user admin tool: no response so far, he will mail again Work in background for next release. == Actions from this meeting == * Riddell to follow up on MIR bug for libzip to remind pitti. == libzip MIR == The MIR for libzip has been waiting for a security review for some time now, due to other higher priority security issues. It is on the security team's TODO list, pitti suggested we promote it and file a security bug for the review. == Team structure, member shuffling == pitti asked about the status of the team structure changes, and who is likely to change and what effects it will have. I summarised the changes. == Activity report length == mvo wondered whether his activity reports were too long; suggestions were to keep the spec progress but drop some of the fine detail about every bug. Definite consensus was to omit any chores or other work that is done every week. == Roadmap update == Everybody was asked to update their specs or whiteboards with status for feature freeze over the next day. == Empathy vs. Pidgin == Since GNOME have accepted empathy for inclusion as a standard module, seb128 asked whether we should consider a switch as well? Jabber and iChat support are better, and other protocols can use libpurple to gain the same support as pidgin. mpt will perform a usability comparison, and seb128 will post instructions to ubuntu-devel calling for testing. == New gnome-session == The new gnome-session isn't working out as well as hoped, it may be necessary to revert to 2.20. One particular concern is the logout dialog, which is rather different now and the old patch does not apply. It may be that the new FUSA applet provides these? Proposed to discuss on the mailing list. == Activity reports == === Jonathan Riddell (Riddell) === done: * enabled compositing in KDE 4, using same blacklist as compiz * enabled apport in KDE 4 * implement laptop keys for KDE 4 in kmix and guidance-power-manager * Package Qt 4.4.1 * discuss qbzr packaging with the guy who had package in PPA, suggest some fixes and upload to ubuntu * testing new Adept * archive administration 1/2 day * couple of days working on system-config-printer-kde, got it into a state where it should be useful, plenty more to do blocked: * compiz patch to split out wrapper script needs review * plasmoid-quickaccess MIR * openbabel MIR * libzip MIR (coming on for two months this one, what do I have to do?) todo: * at Akademy next week no milestoned bugs === Kenneth Wimer (kwwii) === On leave. === Martin Pitt (pitti) === Assigned Intrepid specs: * intrepid-device-permissions: Fixed libpam-ck-connector to work by default in PAM common-session; now it needs to be auto-added to PAM config on installation; slangasek says I should use pam-config-framework for that, which isn't ready yet; thus BLOCKED * gdm-guest-account: More or less implemented now, spec has release note and test case sections now; just needs some bug fixing now * jockey-printer-driver-support: backend is fully capable of searching for drivers on openprinting.org; needs some remaining frontend work now; didn't get to much work on this spec this week; big problem is that upstream probably won't add the system-config-printer changes in time for intrepid, so the really really nice integration might slip to the next release :( (it's still useful to search/install drivers from the jockey UI) Currently open milestoned bugs: * got them all fixed this week Other non-chores work done: * got the apport retracers back into working order again * apport enabled by default again now * apport now catches kernel crash dumps and turns them into reports * did a few updated merges === Matthew Paul Thomas (mpt) === * Ubuntu team induction stuff. * Tried to install Intrepid alpha 3. Reported related bugs. * Discussions with involved parties about package maintainedness presentation. * Nearly completed design for package maintainedness
Desktop Team Meeting, 2008-07-24
For minutes of previous meetings, please see DesktopTeam/Meeting. == Present == * Scott James Remnant (Keybuk) - chair * Jonathan Riddell (Riddell) * Kenneth Wimer (kwwii) * Martin Pitt (pitti) * Michael Vogt (mvo) * Mirco Müller (MacSlow) * Sebastien Bacher (seb128) * Colin Watson (cjwatson) == Apologies == * Matthew Paul Thomas (mpt) - LP 2.0 * Ted Gould (tedg) - OSCON * Pedro Villavicencio Garrido (pedro_) - Holiday == Agenda == * Outstanding actions from last meeting * Proxy setting location (mvo) * Integration of guest login (pitti) * Default theme in Intrepid (pitti) * [http://people.ubuntu.com/~dholbach/sponsoring/ Sponsoring Overview update] * Review activity reports * Any other business == Outstanding actions from last meeting == * Matthew to follow up with upstream about UI improvements in new user admin tool. not present, so carried over == Actions from this meeting == * Matthew to follow up with upstream about UI improvements in new user admin tool. == Proxy setting location == mvo asks what is the best canonical place for a proxy config? /etc/apt/apt.conf is what the installer sets and what the current implemented of the system-service reads/writes, but it should probably also do something in the global environment, like /etc/environment or /etc/profile. The concern about /etc/environment was that it's not intended to be a shell script, it's a configuration file that just happens to look like one. The locale setting had moved to /etc/default/locale because gdm did not use pam_getenv. The issue of another conf file was that it was another file to be sourced by shells. Consensus was to use /etc/environment == Integration of guest login == pitti asked where, other than the fast-user-switch appplet, the option to open a new guest login should appear. Various options were suggested, including the logout dialog and the gdmflexiserver list. No clear consensus appeared in the meeting. == Default theme in Intrepid == pitti asked which theme would be the default for intrepid, kwwii clarified that the default would be a lighter theme. In either case, users would not be changed from a light theme to a dark one. == Activity reports == === Jonathan Riddell (Riddell) === done: * Adding Rosetta support to KDE 4, now blocked on cdbs * Fix cmake to include ccmake and cmake-gui * Various Ubiquity fixes for the KDE frontend * Testing CDs for Alpha 3 * Discussing KOffice 2 packaging with community packagers * Fix various recommends to make CDs fit (thanks to slangasek for arts patch) * Remove unused SVG icons from kdebase, saves 40 Megs of space done at sprint: * Investigate and package kpackagekit, works surprisingly well * Investigate kpolicykit, works less well * Test webkitkde and discuss with upstream, unlikely to be ready for intrepid * Fix some package Recommends to stop bringing in dbg packages to CDs * Package knetworkmanager 0.7, works well. Write MIR for dbus-1-qt3 * Remove system-config-printer-kde applet, now in KDE * Investigate what needs done to turn on compositing by default for kwin * Discuss kdesudo with Tonio * Various e-mails about KDE in Bzr * Test and sync new openbabel * Make sure default wallpaper is on the CD * Meeting about better Rosetta integration with upstream * Various fixes to guidance-power-manager blocked: * openbabel MIR (for kdeedu) * libzip MIR (for kdeutils) * dvipdfmx MIR (for cdbs, for Rosetta with KDE 4) * dbus-1-qt3 MIR (for network-manager 0.7) todo: * KDE 4.1 final next week No milestoned bugs === Kenneth Wimer (kwwii) === * worked on final version of dark theme * made 5 a day icon * made debian birthday party banner, discussed with mattew nuzum * made inkscape daily build icon * finished web browser icon and other pics * 3/4s finished making time zone map for installer. Quite a large and complicated job, no wonder nobody else has done it before. === Martin Pitt (pitti) === Assigned Intrepid specs: * UbuntuSpec:intrepid-device-permissions Dropped audio, video, dip, floppy groups, dropped user fingerprint reader access from hal. The rest is unfortunately harder to do, see spec update * UbuntuSpec:jockey-printer-driver-support fixed s-c-p is in the archive, jockey backend can fully detect printer drivers now; some UI bits are still missing * UbuntuSpec:gdm-guest-account * decided for intrepid approach, updated spec * tinkered with both hack gdm and do everything from scratch approches, both are very hard unfortunately; I have a halfway working prototype script now which sets up a guest session Currently open milestoned bugs: - Intrepid: #224697 (Disable hibernation if swap is on file), #232428 (guile 1.6 - 1.8 transition): will do later, specs go first Other work done: * Fixed up the new jockey for Intrepid alpha 3, should work now for the new nvidia driver structure; fglrx *should* work, but untested * Various bug fixes in hal and cups
Desktop team meeting, 2008-07-03
For minutes of previous meetings, please see DesktopTeam/Meeting. == Present == * Scott James Remnant (Keybuk) - chair * Jonathan Riddell (Riddell) * Martin Pitt (pitti) * Matthew Paul Thomas (mpt) * Michael Vogt (mvo) * Mirco Müller (MacSlow) * Sebastien Bacher (seb128) * Ted Gould (tedg) * Pedro Villavicencio Garrido (pedro_) * Celeste Lyn Paul (seele) == Apologies == * Kenneth Wimer (kwwii) - funeral == Agenda == * Outstanding actions from last meeting * Sending activity reports * Next week's team meeting * GUADEC * Mirco, Ted and me * IM Future * [http://people.ubuntu.com/~dholbach/sponsoring/ Sponsoring Overview update] * Review activity reports * Monthly Report * Any other business == Outstanding actions from last meeting == * MacSlow to update clutter to appropriate version, not worrying about parallel install Wasn't able to be completed, should be confirmed with Mark or handed off to someone else. * seele to follow up with Jono about usability testing swag Still no reply from Jono. * MacSlow to merge goffice, seb128 to help him understand what's going on Done. == Actions from this meeting == * EVERYONE to cease sending activity reports to `distro-team` and only to line manager * EVERYONE to cc pitti next week == Sending activity reports == Activity reports should in future be only sent to one's line manager, and ''not'' to the `distro-team` mailing list. The reports will continue to be incorporated into the team meeting reports, and mailed to the `distro-team` and `ubuntu-desktop` mailing lists. If you have particular agenda items you feel are worth discussion beforehand, use the `ubuntu-desktop` and `ubuntu-devel` mailing lists as they're intended, and send a mail to them to begin a discussion. == Next week's team meeting == pitti will lead next week's meeting, while many of the team are at GUADEC. All should cc their activity reports to him. == GUADEC == Reminder to everyone to check their roomie, etc. and make sure they know where they are going and who they're sharing with. Agenda: * bzr: the Bazaar folks are sending a veritable army to persuade GNOME to use it over git * hiring: we're looking for folks for the Desktop Team Manager, Ubuntu GNOME Maintainer, Ubuntu Online Desktop (x3), Ubuntu Desktop Experience (x2-3) -- keep an eye out! (and remember that you get a referral bonus) == Mirco, Ted and me == A brief talk about the coming changes, and clarifying that Mirco and Ted will be full time seconded to the experience team until a manager is hired, at which point they will transfer to it. == IM Future == tedg asked for opinions about which of Pidgin or Telepathy appears to be the most likely to be the default on future Ubuntu desktops. Consensus was that Pidgin is today, and for the near future, and the Telepathy has a way to go yet but has more promise perhaps overall. == Activity reports == === Jonathan Riddell (Riddell) === done: * fixing seeds and making packages installable for intrepid alpha 1 * intrepid alpha 1 CD testing * hardy.1 CD testing, all ready to go * archive administration (most of a day) blocked: * 1 main inclusion report still needing review * Kubuntu website next week: * investigate getting knetworkmanager 0.7 working * on holiday July 7 to 11 === Kenneth Wimer (kwwii) === * NewHuman metacity changes: button outline and gradient changes, different vertical top gradients to better show an area to grab, fixed focused/unfocused title text position bug. * NewHuman gtkrc changes: link and activated link bug fixed (thanks Neil!)...it only fixes a few apps but that is better than nothing, colour choosing fixes, murrine-nautilus-location fix (ugly blue bar in trash window), removed all highlight_ratio entries for specific widgets, now it only uses global highlights, also increased highlight slightly, although I think that making the menu selection highlight less hard glossy (different murrine gloss style) might be better, tweaking colors (lighter input bg colors since all text editors use that as the document bg), adding nautilus bg color. (Thanks to Conn O'Griofa for the help) * Human-Murrine and Human-Clearlooks gtkrc changes: both had colour problems with GtkProgressBar widgets embedded in other widgets - for example, in Deluge. Also if you changed the selected fg colour, Metacity's colour would change unexpectedly. Those issues are now fixed. Removed some highlight_ratio entries for some widgets, increased global highlight slightly. * LOTS of discussion about the dark theme. Ars Technica takes a decent light on it and gets the point whereas the forum doesn't (someone said I should be shot :p) I did not expect this amount of response and apprently did not realize how many people install and/or look at screenshots of our alpha's (more of the later I guess). Gosh, Ubuntu is popular ;-) * Looking into fonts (and licensing thereof). The Liberation fonts
Desktop Team Meeting, 2008-06-19
For minutes of previous meetings, please see DesktopTeam/Meeting. == Present == * Scott James Remnant (Keybuk) - chair * Jonathan Riddell (Riddell) * Kenneth Wimer (kwwii) * Martin Pitt (pitti) * Matthew Paul Thomas (mpt) * Michael Vogt (mvo) * Mirco Müller (MacSlow) * Sebastien Bacher (seb128) * Pedro Villavicencio Garrido (pedro_) * Celeste Lyn Paul (seele) * James Westby (james_w) * Oliver Grawert (ogra) == Apologies == * Ted Gould (tedg) - moving house == Agenda == * Outstanding actions from last meeting * MacSlow: Clutter version * seele: Usability testing swag * pitti: PackageKit in Intrepid * [http://people.ubuntu.com/~dholbach/sponsoring/ Sponsoring Overview update] * Merges * Review activity reports * Any other business == Outstanding actions from last meeting == * MacSlow to talk to upstream developers about GtkStatusIcon/Tray-icon RGBA issues, and determine appropriate action ''Discussion has not yielded anyone to work on it, dropped.'' == Actions from this meeting == * MacSlow to update clutter to appropriate version, not worrying about parallel install * seele to follow up with Jono about usability testing swag. * pitti to talk to james_w and test PackageKit on Intrepid to determine necessary work * pitti to talk to glatzor about updating PackageKit packages to 0.2.2 * MacSlow to merge gimp, and other GTK+ applications and libraries. == Clutter version == For gdm-face-browser clutter-0.7/0.8 is needed, but from debian we only get 0.6.x Nothing in the archive particularly depends on it, so it's a no-brainer to update. MacSlow said he would have to drop `-doc` to make it parallel installable, the consensus was that it need not be, and that we should only have one version in the archive. == Usability testing swag == seele asked whether Jono had talked to Keybuk about usability testing swag, he had and Keybuk had said that he thought it was a good idea. seele to follow up with Jono. == PackageKit in Intrepid == pitti asked whether anyone else was interested in helping to get PackageKit working in Intrepid. He would really like to use it for jockey, and needs it for getting rid of more gksu desktop files. Other thing it would be considered useful for are gnome-control-center to install themes (seb128) and easy-codec-installation (pitti/mvo). pitti believed it to be in a pretty non-working shape, however james_w said that he had it worked in Intrepid. === PolicyKit === The discussion tangented into PolicyKit authorisation timeouts, ogra asserted that he's required to unblock gnome system tools every time and it doesn't cache the password. This is actually a side-effect of GST's bad usage of PolicyKit, and PK has the ability to retain an authorisation for more than a single shot. == Activity reports == === Jonathan Riddell (Riddell) === Done: * kubuntu tutorials day, worked well * archive admin, new queue and syncs * redo Kubuntu seed for KDE 4 * Fix -dev dependencies of Qt 4 * Update kdeedu for no openbabel (didn't pass main inclusion review) * Fix kdebase-workspace compile * Fix kdepim compile * Fix indi compile and discuss packaging with kdeedu developers * Review and upload KDE extragear packages (thanks Arby) and a couple of other new packages * Rebuild adept for new apt * Merge exiv2 Blocked: * 1 main inclusion report still needing review * Kubuntu website Next week: * KDE 4.1 beta 2 packaging === Kenneth Wimer (kwwii) === * packaged ubuntulooks and human-theme for hardy to fix bugs #237261 and #195929 * moving human-theme around, removing ubuntulooks * work on wallpaper ideas * work on tweaking gtkrc and making a new metacity theme * arranging travel plans, other administrative fun === Martin Pitt (pitti) === Intrepid specs I am drafting: * intrepid-device-permissions, consolidate-spell-checkers, kernel-abi-package-handling, jockey-printer-driver-support: to be reviewed by Scott * still drafting: guest account (still waiting for upstream feedback) Currently open milestoned bugs (8.04.1): None Merges: * Done: avahi, debhelper, dhcp3, sudo, sysvinit * Remaining: 1 trivial (libnjb) Done: * Again lots of SRU management for Hardy * MIR queue flood * Apport retracer shepherding, they are running again * Committed my first hal-info patches upstream (urgh git) * Lots of sponsoring * Travel preps for sprint and Linux Plumber's conf * Some experiments for possible guest account implementations === Matthew Paul Thomas (mpt) === === Michael Vogt (mvo) === compiz * change the compiz-kde packages to build for kde4 by default * remove kde3 packages build and bang autofoo into shape * hack a update-from-git helper script that automates a lot of the make-new-snapshot work * fix build failure in compiz-fusion-plugins-extra * work with MacSlow on stacked switcher plugin synaptic * work on xapian based search * merged debian changes * fix keyboard navigation
Desktop Team Meeting, 2008-04-10
inutes of previous meetings, please see DesktopTeam/Meeting. == Present == * Scott James Remnant (Keybuk) - chair * Jonathan Riddell (Riddell) * Kenneth Wimer (kwwii) * Martin Pitt (pitti) * Matthew Paul Thomas (mpt) * Michael Vogt (mvo) * Mirco Müller (MacSlow) * Sebastien Bacher (seb128) * Ted Gould (tedg) * Pedro Villavicencio Garrido (pedro_) == Apologies == * Martin Pitt (pitti) - Linux Foundation Collaboration Summit == Agenda == * Outstanding actions from last meeting * [http://people.ubuntu.com/~dholbach/sponsoring/ Sponsoring Overview update] * [http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogasawara/qa-hardy-list-archive/sort-by-package/desktop-buglist.html Desktop bug list] * Review activity reports * Any other business == Outstanding actions from last meeting == * pitti to disable gvfs libgphoto backend ''Dropped by seb128'' * seb128 to enable gvfs libarchive backend ''Done, however since most applications do not yet use gvfs it means you can only browse the contents and not open the files inside. Disabled again.'' == Actions from this meeting == == Activity reports == === Jonathan Riddell (Riddell) === Done: * Spent some hours trying to fix DVD video playing, turned out my drive needed regionset run, I wonder if there's a way to warn users about that * packaging fix to system-config-printer-kde * compile and test qt 4.4 rc 1, this fixes some important bugs in pyKDE which mean I should be able to get system-config-printer-kde into KDE for their feature freeze * Amarok 1.5.9 testing and upload (thanks apachelogger for packaging) * kdebindings-kde4 testing and upload (another apachelogger job) * fix qt 3 for chinese characters in en locale, patch from Debian * investigated scim problems on Kubuntu-KDE4 CD * spend a day tracking down which part of the Kubuntu-KDE4 CDs squashfs was breaking on * juggling language packs on CDs for sizes * various fixes to ubiquity * half a day of archive admin * spend half an hour on phone to random anonymous caller who had upset someone in the community and wanted to know if it was ok to continue being part of it, most stressful thing I did all week Next week: * release candidate, I think Kubuntu is in good shape for this 1 milestoned bug, 209220 HP DeskJet 5550 not supported in Hardy, should be sorted just needs confirmation that it's fixed === Kenneth Wimer (kwwii) === * final gtkrc tweaks improving panel themeing ability and color-selector GUI usage, enabled animtions in murrin version, added clearlooks gtkrc. made packages for ubuntulooks and ubuntu-theme * final wallpaper tweaks, updating file for t-shirts as well * looked into example-content; all items already updated by community members a month ago. === Martin Pitt (pitti) === * UbuntuSpec:hardy-reducing-duplication * UbuntuSpec:policykit-integration * UbuntuSpec:restricted-manager-rewrite * UbuntuSpec:partition-management === Matthew Paul Thomas (mpt) === Done: * Posted heuristic evalutions of Hardy beta experiences. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Experiences/PlayingCds https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Experiences/PlayingMusic https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Experiences/MusicPlayers https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Experiences/Photos Todo: * Back to Launchpad work in the coming week. === Michael Vogt (mvo) === Did: compiz * new compiz/compiz-fusion to 0.7.4, updated dependencies/patches and uploaded new version into my PPA and asked for testing * filed FreezeException for 0.7.4 (no answer yet) * fix gnome-wm to keep working if compiz gets removed * ensure that metacity is the default window-manager after a dapper-hardy upgrade Upgrades * debug/fix asterisk removal during dapper-hardy upgrade (libpri transition issue) * review upgrade /etc diffs (with pitti) * debug/fix lvm2 removal on dapper-hardy upgrades * help debugging python-central crash (#205470) * improve evms removal on upgrades (run the check if it is safe to remove earlier) * add support for purging packages on obsoletes removal and to unify the package lists before the etc-diff is generated * upgraded real-world customized dapper desktop system to hardy analyzed the failures (no video/no keyboard, no german locales) * debug/fix xkb-data/xkeyboard-config upgrade problem (#211978) on dapper-hardy upgrades. that one was really nasty to find, but it killed any non-us keyboard in gnome on upgrade (and gnome-keyboard-properties) * fix gdm dapper-hardy upgrade issue with /etc/environment * wrote script that searches for python2.4-foo packages in dapper that have no conflicts/replace in hardies python-foo packages and fix them (mostly universe it seems) * re-run test on dapper-hardy desktop upgrade (partimage for the win!) with the fixes of the previous days and now we have video/keyboard and locales :) * debug/fix slapd dapper-hardy upgrade failure (with slangasek) UpdateManager * improve text
Desktop Team Meeting, 2008-04-03
[[Include(DesktopTeam/MenuHeader)]] For minutes of previous meetings, please see DesktopTeam/Meeting. == Present == * Scott James Remnant (Keybuk) - chair * Jonathan Riddell (Riddell) * Kenneth Wimer (kwwii) * Martin Pitt (pitti) * Matthew Paul Thomas (mpt) * Michael Vogt (mvo) * Mirco Müller (MacSlow) * Sebastien Bacher (seb128) * Ted Gould (tedg) * Pedro Villavicencio Garrido (pedro_) * Matt Zimmerman (mdz) == Agenda == * Outstanding actions from last meeting * (pitti) libgphoto gvfs: keep and fix, or ditch? * (seb128) gvfs libarchive backend, use in hardy? * (pitti) Coordination of fixing /etc diff for upgrades (Michael started to provide diffs now, thanks a lot!) * (pitti) next week I'll be at the LinuxFoundation collaboration summit in Austin; anything I should do/ask/tell/promote there? * Final call for UDS Agenda topics * [http://people.ubuntu.com/~dholbach/sponsoring/ Sponsoring Overview update] * [http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogasawara/qa-hardy-list-archive/sort-by-package/desktop-buglist.html Desktop bug list] * Review activity reports * Any other business == Outstanding actions from last meeting == * Sebastien to initiate a discussion about shares-admin - nautilus-share upgrade migration with slangasek on u-devel@ ''Discussion was fruitful, while a migration isn't possible slangasek was happy with documenting that in the release notes given that the change to nautilus-share will be sufficiently more maintainable'' * Sebastien to prepare theme change back to ubuntulooks ''Done by kwwii and mvo'' * Sebastien to rename the tracker menu item ''Deferred most changes to next release, except for transmission which pitti raised as really needing changing'' * Ken to look into updating important bits of example-contents for Hardy, primarily release name ''Still outstanding'' == Actions from this meeting == * Ken to look into updating important bits of example-contents for Hardy, primarily release name * pitti to disable gvfs libgphoto backend * seb128 to enable gvfs libarchive backend * mvo and pitti to review the /etc diff and file bugs where appropriate. == gvfs libgphoto backend == gvfs's libgphoto backend allows you to access non-storage based cameras as if they were a mounted storage device; gvfs-based applications can browse the photos on them as if they were files. Unfortunately it's somewhat buggy at the moment, pitti asked whether we should keep it and try and fix the bugs, or whether we should disable it for now and review in intrepid. This was discussed pre-meeting with seb128 and the conclusion was to disable it for now and use f-spot-import until it's ready. == gvfs libarchive backend == gvfs's libarchive backend allows you to access archives (e.g. zip) as if they were folders. It's installed but not yet activated, and when actived only provides a Mount Archive option in the context menu for the icon. seb128 asked whether we should activate it. Since it's not directly exposed, it would be relatively harmless. No objections were raised. == /etc diff for upgrades == http://people.ubuntu.com/~mvo/automatic-upgrade-testing/kvm/profile/lts-ubuntu/etc.diff contains a 5.2 MB diff of changes between dapper and hardy, and a fresh hardy install. This needs review and co-ordination of fixes. == Activity reports == === Jonathan Riddell (Riddell) === Done: * KDE 4.0.3 packaged and uploaded * Testing upgrades * Discussing Konversation artwork theme and poking for a new one that everyone agrees on * Archive Admin 1/2 day (Cleared New Queue, ubuntu-archive requests) * Tidy up system-config-printer-kde for release and fix share printer funtion in kdeprint * Set nicer qtcurve settings * Fill up seeds with language packs for CDs * Add a couple of missing packages to kde 4 seeds * Briefly review the KDE chapter for the Ubuntu book Next week: * Lots of bugfixes. Ubiquity seems to have stopped launching on the live CDs. restricted-manager needs some testing. 1 milestoned bug 209220, which isn't going to get fixed for hardy, not yet sure how to remove the milestone. === Kenneth Wimer (kwwii) === * final (hope!) gdm changes * packaging: human-icon-theme, ubuntu-artwork, ubuntulooks, ubuntu-gdm-theme, human-theme; (adding icons, tweaking artwork, moving back to ubuntulooks with new gtkrc w/ GUI editable colors, fixing bugs in h-i-t, u-gdm-theme, and ubuntulooks, etc.) * helped ubuntustudio make the same changes to icon theme * dealing with 600+ spam emails to ubuntu-art within a couple of hours * planning and announcing next art team meeting === Martin Pitt (pitti) === Unfixed milestoned bugs (only on hardy final): * 207151 (Reenable PolicyKit ptrace protection before Hardy's release): needs to happen close to release * 210348 (apport-cli test with no package): new from this week, will do soon; no technical problem at all, more a question of whether we want it * 209416 (fsck not repairing corruption on boot
[Fwd: GUADEC 2008 Website and CFP]
-- Scott James Remnant [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---BeginMessage--- BOSTON, Mass—February 28, 2008—GUADEC, the annual GNOME conference will be held in Istanbul, Turkey from the 7th to the 12th of July 2008. The conference will bring together the GNOME development and user community and key personalities from businesses and governments, to discuss the future direction of the GNOME project. Now in its 9th year, the conference has grown every year from its humble beginnings to become a fixture in the calendar of the leading lights of the Free Software desktop development community, and an important meeting place between industry and community. This year, over 500 people are expected to gather in Turkey for the conference, whose theme will be Designing the User Interface for Freedom. “The GNOME Project does not stand on its feet by only its technical merits but also with its communal entity. Thousands of people from different cultures improve it every day.” said Barış Çiçek, the lead organizer of GUADEC this year, “Nowhere in the world would be able summarize this but Istanbul, which has been the melting pot of cultures for centuries.” Among the keynote speakers who will be present at the conference are Matt Webb, co-author of Mind Hacks and a leading user experience designer, Eric Sink, a renowned blogger and software development business entrepreneur, and Leisa Reichelt, a London-based expert in interaction design and user experience research. The call for participation in the conference is now open, and will close on March 30th. A variety of presentations and session can be proposed. “Emerging GNOME trends set the dialog at GUADEC. It was Online Desktop last year, and GNOME Mobile the year before that.” said the program chair, Behdad Esfahbod, “We are excited to see what the community brings to GUADEC this year.” As with last year, the conference will have three tracks: * Catwalk: Showcasing the best and most exciting applications that the GNOME community has to offer * Topaz: Identifying the diamonds in the rough that will form the basis for the next generation of the free software desktop * Tangle: Community and governance issues, and tough technical issues, will be considered, attacked and resolved See the GUADEC website for more more information about the conference, to register, and to submit proposals. GUADEC website: http://www.guadec.org/ Call for presentations: http://guadec.org/guadec08/public/cfp/1 Keynote speakers: http://guadec.org/public/content/keynotes This announcement is also available at: http://www.gnome.org/press/releases/guadec2008.html -- devel-announce-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/devel-announce-list ---End Message--- signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Desktop Team Meeting, 2008-02-21
For minutes of previous meetings, please see DesktopTeam/Meeting. == Present == * Scott James Remnant (Keybuk) - chair * Jonathan Riddell (Riddell) * Kenneth Wimer (kwwii) * Loïc Minier (lool) * Martin Pitt (pitti) * Michael Vogt (mvo) * Mirco Müller (MacSlow) * Sebastien Bacher (seb128) * Ted Gould (tedg) * Jono Bacon (jono) == Apologies == * Matthew Paul Thomas (mpt) - unknown * Pedro Villavicencio Garrido (pedro_) - unknown == Agenda == * 5-A-Day * Team Reporting * Review activity reports * Any other business == 5-A-Day == Keybuk reminded everyone that they should be participating in the [5-A-Day] effort led by the community team. The aim is to touch five bugs a day, not necessarily fix (though that would be nice). kwwii is exempt since artwork follows a different process and MacSlow is exempt for the time being since he's concentrating on 8.10 work. == Team Reporting == seb128 raised the question of the community TeamReporting process whereby each team provides a small number of bullet points highlighting work that the team has done in the past month. jono joined to clarify the process. Since this co-incides with the Canonical Monthly Report, Keybuk will handle the formality of chasing for input and ensuring the wiki is updated; each team member should add to the DesktopTeam/ReportingPage wiki page any highlights. == Activity reports == === Jonathan Riddell (Riddell) === done: * Package KDE 3.5.9 * Draw up list of UDS specs * Package Qt 4.4 tech preview * Creating, testing KDE 4 CDs, poking Soyuz developers, now this close * Discussing and working on default settings package for KDE 4 desktop * Merging libraries used by Adept from Debian * Preparing for packaging tutorial at FOSDEM, our packaging documentation needed quite some revision * Packaging KOffice 2 Alpha 6 * Qt security fix * Kubuntu meeting (three new members) * system-config-printer-kde polishing (still quite a lot of polish to go) * archive admin (new queue zero achieved after a full day) next week: * Alpha 5 * FOSDEM No milestoned bugs === Kenneth Wimer (kwwii) === * fixed gdm bug #29986, made source package * added wallpaper for testing, made source package. * fixed one pixel bug in new wallpaper, made new source package * worked on next wallpaper for testing...coming sometime very soon, once the reaction from current wallpaper are in. * discussed OOo icon repo's with calc. The basis is ready, still waiting for mixed Human and Tango repo to present to community artists. * spent hours looking for gdm icons only to learn that they are built into the binary package and not in an icon theme. Thanks go to ogra for solving this :-) * looked into changing bits of gdm for 8.04. * made pdf presentation of UI stuff (attached, but not finished yet). * put human icon refresh ideas into bzr and launchpad. Worked with community on getting wiki page started. === Loïc Minier (lool) === Misc * Started looking for tickets for Prague, but still holding off in case I would attend FOSSCamp * Quite a lot of sponsoring reviews/comments * Still affected by not having Internet at home; deeper issues keep coming up and being escalated; ETI seems to be in 10 / 14 days Desktop * Syncs from Debian, GNOME updates * Hickups on the *mm packages which required a new cdbs version: I should have built them on Ubuntu but thought the changes were under the control -- pitti did a cdbs merge which fixed the mess; * libgnomemm implied a package rename which came a bit close to the alpha; this rename might also have created issues for people upgrading all the way from breezy and relying on the old ABI of libgnomemm from breezy for some local packages for example; perhaps something which we should handle as part of the upgrade process (your system has very old unsupported packages or these local packages might create issues)? * Heated discussion on the topic of the distro patches landing from Debian into Ubuntu which add up with the Ubuntu distro patches and enlarge the delta with upstream further; the problematic patch which triggerred the discussion is now close to being merged upstream, but this overall concern should be discussed at UDS and probably translated into a patch acceptance policy (this could work nicely if Debian would gain a similar policy too); some ideas: * dropping/disabling patches added by Debian when these are considered too intrusive during merges; I'd like this process to consider the technical usefulness of the patch though as Debian is also an upstream for us and can produce both useful and dangerous patches * requiring at least some form of upstream support for the nature of the change before merging a non-trivial patch * Filed bugs at upstream (Debian) and Ubuntu concerning the lack of support for Launchpad
Desktop Team Meeting, 2008-02-07
For minutes of previous meetings, please see DesktopTeam/Meeting. == Present == * Scott James Remnant (Keybuk) - chair * Jonathan Riddell (Riddell) * Kenneth Wimer (kwwii) * Loïc Minier (lool) * Martin Pitt (pitti) * Michael Vogt (mvo) * Mirco Müller (MacSlow) * Sebastien Bacher (seb128) * Ted Gould (tedg) * Pedro Villavicencio Garrido (pedro_) * Soren Hansen (soren) == Apologies == * Matthew Paul Thomas (mpt) - on leave == Agenda == * Outstanding actions from last meeting * mvo: dapper-hardy kernel upgrades * FOSSCamp and UDS Sponsorship proposals * FOSSCamp team attendance * UDS sessions * Review activity reports * Any other business * pedro asked who should be bug contact for brasero and transmission, seb128 confirmed this should be desktop-bugs * seb128 asked about the add to panel dialog, suggested to pass by mpt == Outstanding actions from last meeting == * mvo: talk to Colin about using germinate to determine length of package support (3/5 years, 18 months) Keybuk will ask about this in his phone call with Colin. pitti raised an point about language pack maintenance terms, Keybuk has followed up with mdz and Steve George to find out. * seb128: talk to Scott for updating pppoeconf-gui spec status for the feature provided by gnome-system-tools gnome-system-tools provides the ability to configure PPPoE devices, so the spec can be marked implemented. * tedg: talk to Scott and Mark about screensaver-review; this is currently way too underdefined for getting it into hardy This needs more group discussion, tedg will begin a thread on ubuntu-desktop concerning the list. == (mvo) dapper-hardy kernel upgrades == A lot of machines running dapper have the -386 kernel variant installed, previously this was the generic kernel for x86 machines, but now that has been replaced by -generic and -386 is for difficult hardware. There was also a -686 kernel, which is likewise replaced by -generic. mvo proposes to automatically transition these specific kernels to the -generic kernel, and proposes using the output of uname -m to determine whether the -386 transition is desirable (the -686 transition is a no-brainer). soren proposed an alternate suggestion of using the logic for kernel selection from the installer. mvo will investigate. == FOSSCamp and UDS Sponsorship proposals == The deadline has technically passed, though we have a slight extension. The meeting was used to get a last-minute round-up of additional names which Keybuk will sort through. == FOSSCamp team attendance == Attendance of FOSSCamp this year will not necessarily be for the entire team, instead this will largely depend on whether there are upstream people attending that you can interact with. == UDS sessions == A request was made for team members to think about sessions for the next UDS, and have a list by the team meeting next week. == Activity reports == === Jonathan Riddell (Riddell) === done: * Testing and releasing Alpha 4 (Thu, Fri), followed by * Taking new backups of various things since Alpha 4 candidates had wiped my backup hard disk * Packaging KDE 4.0.1 (Friday to Wednesday) * Reviewing patches to kdebase updating consolekit and LUKS support * Pondering and discussing people and topics for FOSScamp/UDS * Working on System Config Printer port (Wednesday) blocked: * Waiting on seed changes for KDE 4 CDs next week: * System Config Printer port No milestoned bugs === Kenneth Wimer (kwwii) === * worked on panel icons, added to launchpad. getting some help from community (yeah!) - see attached pic for an example attachment:panel_icons_example.png * art team coordination, meeting on friday * wallpapers, clear-looks gtkrc - planning on putting in a new wallpaper every week or so for testing. Also including a new gtkrc using clear-looks soon for testing. * creating pdf with proposals (windows, icon, etc) * had a birthday :-) BLOCKED: OOo icons. During the sprint I talked with calc about getting a copy of the icons from OOo in a bzr repo so that we can allow community artists to work on them. This still has not happened and we need to it ASAP (as in we needed it ASAP weeks ago). === Loïc Minier (lool) === * UbuntuSpec:gvfs-in-hardy === Martin Pitt (pitti) === Hardy spec assignments: * UbuntuSpec:policykit-integration - implemented; fixed a bug in CK today * UbuntuSpec:restricted-manager-rewrite - uploaded 0.2 now with tons of bug fixes and feature-catchup; set to 'beta available'; missing things: broadcom wifi handler (will do next week, pretty easy to do), and KDE frontend (Martin Bohm started working on it) * UbuntuSpec:hardy-reducing-duplication - no progress last week * UbuntuSpec:partition-management - not started, low-prio spec Unfixed milestoned bugs: * 174128 (dhcp3 debconf question during upgrade, beta): no time yet * 22623 (CD-ROMs not mounted with UTF-8, beta): no time yet Other: * Spent most of the week with bug triage and bug
Desktop Team Development Meeting, 2008-01-17
For minutes of previous meetings, please see DesktopTeam/DevelopmentMeeting. == Present == * Scott James Remnant (Keybuk) - chair * Martin Pitt (pitti) * Michael Vogt (mvo) * Mirco Müller (MacSlow) * Ted Gould (tedg) * Sebastien Bacher (seb128) * Colin Watson (cjwatson) * Matthew Paul Thomas (mpt) * Matthew Zimmerman (mdz) == Apologies == * Jonathan Riddell (Riddell) - attending KDE 4.0 Release Event * Kenneth Wimer (kwwii) - ill == Agenda == * Outstanding actions from last meeting * MIR for main promotions * Keep tracker enabled for LTS? * Sprint planning * Usplash * LTS status * Review activity reports * Any other business == Outstanding actions from last meeting == ACTION: pitti/seb128 to investigate seahorse package size and reduce it so it can be seeded. A mere rebuild reduces the size by 2MB by enabling fdups to symlink duplicate files together, the remaining issue is the use of a static libseahorse.a by all of the programs which is large enough to need to be a shared library. Added to sprint agenda to be solved there. ACTION: GUADEC and LCA attendance requests Two requests for GUADEC and one for LCA received so far; deadline for LCA is now, and nobody else volunteered - deadline for GUADEC requests are next week. == MIR for main promotions == seb128 asked whether the main promotions discussed last week should have MIR, pitti felt they should at least have bugs and that he checked the packages himself and they were ok. ACTION: seb128 to file necessary bugs == Keep tracker enabled for LTS? == mdz has asked whether we should keep tracker enabled by default for the LTS release given that the user experience is currently not ideal. seb128 indicated that user feedback has been generally good, and after a short discussion of mdz's problems, it could have been that he had at some point during gutsy development opened deskbar-applet's preferences before the switch was made to live search by default (thus saving the preferences so they wouldn't be migrated). The desktop search experience will be reviewed at the sprint to ensure that we're not using a lot of the user's computer power for something that does not give them a benefit. == Sprint planning == Reminder was issued to ensure any plans for the sprint are added to the agenda. Time will be taken to speak to each team member about spec progress and 8.10 plans. == Usplash == Previous calls for volunteers to maintain this had been met with silence, so a further call was made. Pitti indicated that he had touched it last, and MacSlow expressed some interest in the graphics parts and in future development. Looking through it added to the sprint agenda. ACTION: pitti and MacSlow to add themselves as usplash bug contacts. == LTS status == seb128 confirmed that the new gdm will not be ready in time for 8.04 LTS, and MacSlow concurred that the specs were targeted for 8.10 now. seb128 also mentioned that the gvfs-enabled nautilus is on shaky ground at the moment (discussed in this week's platform team meeting) and asked whether it would impact any of the desktop team's work. == Activity reports == === Jonathan Riddell (Riddell) === * UbuntuSpec:kubuntu-hardy-kde4 * UbuntuSpec:kubuntu-hardy-catchup === Kenneth Wimer (kwwii) === * tweaked color palette a bit more * created window mockups (different colors, amounts of transaparence, window buttons, etc). Will be ready for sprint * worked on icon for Sparkle plugin * led art team meeting * compiling list of icons needing improvement, missing, etc. === Martin Pitt (pitti) === Hardy spec assignments * policykit-integration: ConsokeKit now writes /var/run/consoe/user tags (like pam_console), libpam-foreground demoted; spec is now implemented * restricted-manager-rewrite: currently at porting the smaller features; code is reaching maturity, expected first upload next week during the sprint; still no progress from Martin Bohm with the KDE port * hardy-reducing-duplication: db4.5 and neon26 removal pending on build success of OO.o on sparc (gcc segfaulted, I retried it on another buildd); removed postgresql-8.1, rebuilt a couple of packages against libpq5 * partition-management: not started; low-prio spec, scheduled for after sprint Unfixed milestoned bugs * 172835 (dapper-hardy upgrade dbus reload fails, beta): no time yet * 177141 (no restricted-manager on Hardy CDs, alpha-4): no time yet, will fix while I upload first version of driver-manager * 174128 (dhcp3 debconf question during upgrade, beta): no time yet * 22623 (CD-ROMs not mounted with UTF-8, beta): not started * 177072 (AUDIODEV should be exported when using pulseaudio, final): no time yet Dapper.2 * testing certification finished, CD images prepublished * needs someone with quagga experience to check the version in -proposed (#48848), contacted \sh and infinity; no feedback so far * release currently planned
Desktop Team Development Meeting, 2008-01-10
(Apologies for the lateness of this mail.)
For minutes of previous meetings, please see
DesktopTeam/DevelopmentMeeting.
== Present ==
* Scott James Remnant (Keybuk) - chair
* Kenneth Wimer (kwwii)
* Jonathan Riddell (Riddell)
* Martin Pitt (pitti)
* Michael Vogt (mvo)
* Mirco Müller (MacSlow)
* Ted Gould (ted)
* Sebastien Bacher (seb128)
* Pedro Villavicencio Garrido (pedro_)
== Agenda ==
* Review activity reports
* Compiz integration issues
* Desktop seed changes
* GUADEC
* Hardy QA list
* Any other business
== Activity reports ==
=== Jonathan Riddell (Riddell) ===
* I've spent most of the time packaging KDE 4.0 snapshot and final
release
* helped with libungif - libgif transition
* Kubuntu meeting (2 new members)
* Archive admin
next week:
* KDE 4.0
* KDE Release Event
=== Kenneth Wimer (kwwii) ===
* UbuntuSpec:hardy-theme
* UbuntuSpec:hardy-icon-theme
* UbuntuSpec:art-team
=== Martin Pitt (pitti) ===
Hardy spec assignments:
* restricted-manager-rewrite: upstream trunk has become useful now,
ported most of the important features; created ubuntu branch with Ubuntu
specific bits (OSLib and handlers); biggest blocker is now to find a
good name, suggestions highly appreciated; no progress from Martin Bohm
with the KDE port, but talked to him today
* policykit-integration: remaining open question is the admin group vs.
sudoers evaluation, sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I tend towards the group solution,
Jamie Strandboge agrees (good reply, thanks). Remaining TODO is
providing the libpam-foreground functionality into ConsoleKit (upstream
wants to do that anyway, but we need it soon; see LP#172814)
* hardy-reducing-duplication: killed db4.[34], db4.5 will go away once
OO.o builds. db4.2 is needed by openldap and is hard; also killed
libgksu1.2 and libneon{25,26}; did some work on dropping tcl8.3; that's
all of the low-hanging fruit
* partition-management: no progress this week
Unfixed milestoned bugs:
* 147800, 152537, 155530 (bugs in cupsys apparmor profile,
gutsy-updates): fix in gutsy-propopsed, needs verification
* 172835 (dapper-hardy upgrade dbus reload fails, hardy-beta): no time
yet
* 172814 (dbus at_console needs to work with ConsoleKit, hardy-beta):
in progress, see above
Dapper.2:
* blocked on testing feedback from Marc
Other notable things:
* PostgreSQL security updates and dapper backport
=== Michael Vogt (mvo) ===
Compiz
* updated to current git
* debug/workaround bug in window decorations with nvidia (and report
the problem upstream
* debug/fix bug in xslt transformation code in the gconf schema
generation and send patch upstream (this bug killed the Extra Effects
settings)
* experiment with setting the decorator command via the dbus plugin to
deal better with multiple displays
Apt
* work on AptAuthenticationReliabilty spec, created
apt-authentication-reliablity bzr branch
* fix nasty bug in the apt immediate configuration code (that took a
bit, the ordering code is not a nice place)
* merge the apt--DoListUpdate branch that supports a generic way to do
apt-get update like operations for all frontends, port
synpatic/python-apt to it. it also support
APT::Update::{Pre,Post}-Update script hooks
* debug problem under certain upgrade scenarios where the ordering
algorithm is incorrect (reproducable with libglib2.0-0 and gconf2 on a
huge dapper-hardy upgrade) - no solution yet, the ordering code is
tricky
PackagingTools
* work on the PackagingToolsUsability spec
* fix crash in g-ai- codec search
* make update-notifier use the icon theme and display a different icon
if security updates are available
* detect outdated repository information (required the
apt--DoListUpdate branch) and show in u-m when the last update was
performed
* try harder to fix broken dependencies in u-m
* merge g-a-i with debian
* new g-a-i data update for alpha-3
Upgrades
* work on the upgrade tester
* debug/fix problem where update-manager wanted to remove firefox and
openoffice after a upgrade from gutsy-hardy as obsolete (turns out that
the problem was that gutsy-security has newer versions than hardy)
* SRU request to upload a update-manager that is capable of performing
LTS upgrades to dapper-proposed
misc
* mail/bugtriage
* generate/upload translated package descriptions for hardy (took
longer than hoped because of rosetta bug #157528)
* sponsoring (vte, aptoncd, metacity, ...)
* update command-not-found data for alpha-3
=== Mirco Müller (MacSlow) ===
spec-related work
* started implementing UbuntuSpec:hardy-sparkle
* learned how very scanty rhythmbox (rb) plugin-development is
documented
* started salvaging information how to add UI-elements to rb and
interact with it from a plugin
* learned that CD-cover retrieval with rb-plugin artdisplay cannot
interface with sparkle
* rb-developers asked me to fill in rb's wiki on plugin-development...
WTF?!
misc
* holiday
* wrote
LCD Filter patches
Hi David, We've been using your LCD Filter patches to improve subpixel font rendering on Ubuntu, however we've had some problem when it comes to updating to the current version of cairo (1.4/1.5 -- the patches are still 1.2). Could you let us know how to proceed? Are the cairo patches an important piece? We've had some reports of bugs when using them with certain hinting settings, e.g. https://launchpad.net/bugs/145604 Scott -- Scott James Remnant [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Desktop Team Development Meeting, 2007-11-29
For minutes of previous meetings, please see
DesktopTeam/DevelopmentMeeting.
== Present ==
* Scott James Remnant (Keybuk) - chair
* Kenneth Wimer (kwwii)
* Jonathan Riddell (Riddell)
* Martin Pitt (pitti)
* Michael Vogt (mvo)
* Mirco Müller (MacSlow)
* Ted Gould (tedg)
* Sebastien Bacher (seb128)
* Oliver Grawert (ogra)
== Agenda ==
* Outstanding actions from last meeting
* Specification progress report
* Any other business
== Outstanding actions from last meeting ==
ACTION: kwwii to complete hardy-theme and hardy-icon-theme after
decision at London presentation
ACTION: MacSlow to complete drafting of hardy-desktop-effects and other
assigned specs
expected by the weekend
== Specification progress report ==
=== Jonathan Riddell (Riddell) ===
* UbuntuSpec:kubuntu-hardy-kde4
* KDE4 Release Candidate 1 packages uploaded and available for Alpha 1
* KDE4 release likely to be delayed until January
* webkitkde packaged for konqueror as an experiment
* UbuntuSpec:kubuntu-hardy-catchup
=== Kenneth Wimer (kwwii) ===
* UbuntuSpec:hardy-theme
* UbuntuSpec:hardy-icon-theme
* UbuntuSpec:art-team
* Awaiting new art.ubuntu.com site, blocked on newz2000 requiring a
code review; will be chased if it remains blocked much longer
=== Martin Pitt (pitti) ===
* UbuntuSpec:hardy-reducing-duplication
* UbuntuSpec:policykit-integration
* UbuntuSpec:restricted-manager-rewrite
* UbuntuSpec:partition-management
=== Michael Vogt (mvo) ===
* UbuntuSpec:apt-authentication-reliability
* UbuntuSpec:apt-archive-key-signatures
* UbuntuSpec:networkless-installation-fixes
* UbuntuSpec:packaging-tools-usability
* Release upgrader and backported apt/dpkg uploaded; being tested
=== Mirco Müller (MacSlow) ===
* UbuntuSpec:hardy-desktop-effects
* (mvo) Compiz head (0.7 branch) packages almost ready for upload,
upstream still believe that this will be stable in time for our
release, despite pending landing of the object system
* No word from David yet, MacSlow will notify as soon as he replies
* UbuntuSpec:gdm-face-browser
* UbuntuSpec:faces-creator-for-gdm
* Redirected widget-rendering working in gtk+ (with some cairo-magic)
http://macslow.thepimp.net/clips/reflected-widgets-1.ogg
* in the works and not done are similar experiments with redirected
gtk+-widgets _ontop_ of a OpenG-context
=== Ted Gould ({ted}) ===
* UbuntuSpec:cleanup-audio-jumble
* UbuntuSpec:about-this-computer
* UbuntuSpec:screensaver-review
* Review of screensavers is proceeding; some discussion about how to
package the Ubuntu screensaver, and which screensavers to include
* UbuntuSpec:exit-strategy
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Desktop Team Development Meeting, 2007-11-22
These are the meeting minutes for the team at Canonical responsible for
development of the desktop. This meeting is public; if you wish to
attend, please do (it's at 1400UTC every Thursday) -- if you have items
for the agenda, send them to me in advance for consideration.
== Present ==
* Scott James Remnant (Keybuk) - chair
* Jonathan Riddell (Riddell)
* Kenneth Wimer (kwwii)
* Martin Pitt (pitti)
* Michael Vogt (mvo)
* Mirco Müller (MacSlow)
* Matthew Paul Thomas (mpt)
* Sebastien Bacher (seb128)
* Steven Kowalik (StevenK)
== Apologies ==
* Ted Gould ({ted}) - Thanksgiving
== Agenda ==
* Spec Approval
* Use of usernames on GDM Face Browser
* MoM and pending sync requests
* Patch Tagging Guidelines
== Spec Approval ==
The list of specifications targeted as hardy feature goals were
reviewed, and the statuses chased if they were not already ready for
approval.
ACTION: Riddell to complete drafting of kubuntu-hardy-kde4
ACTION: Riddell to mail Keybuk one-liners for all KDE parts of other
specifications, and note who is going to do them.
ACTION: kwwii to complete drafting of art-team
ACTION: kwwii to complete hardy-theme and hardy-icon-theme after
decision at London presentation
ACTION: MacSlow to add username-box-only ( 100) mock up to hardy-gdm
ACTION: MacSlow to complete drafting of hardy-desktop-effects
ACTION: mpt to complete drafting of exit-strategy
ACTION: mvo and Keybuk to discuss his specification list
ACTION: Keybuk to review all specifications
== Use of usernames on GDM Face Browser ==
Kees Cook had raised a concern that displaying usernames in the GDM Face
Browser would give intruders one half of the username/password pair, and
thus increase the chance of intrusion.
Not displaying the names (and by inference, also not completing on them
by typing) has usability concerns; while users may know their own photo,
when using avatars or randomly selected imagery, they would not.
It was noted that the current mockups include the real names of users,
not their username, however that it is often possible to deduce one from
the other.
Also it was noted that the face browser inherently gives you one half of
the pair since you don't need to know the username, you can simply click
on the picture.
Imagery for comparison:
http://people.ubuntu.com/~mmueller/face-browser-3.png
http://www.guidebookgallery.org/pics/gui/startupshutdown/login/macosx103-1-1.png
http://www.winsupersite.com/images/showcase/winxp_login.jpg
Consensus was that provided it was possible to disable the display of
names, the default could remain with them displayed. It is fine if
disabling the display of the names is done by disabling the face browser
(which needs an off option for the 100 case anyway).
ACTION: MacSlow to update spec with result of discussion.
== MoM and pending sync requests ==
Sometimes it take some time for a sync-from-debian request to get
processed. The relevant package still appears in MoM even when the bug
is filed and its possible that some work gets duplicated when people do
not check the bugpage first and look at the open merge. Maybe we could
teach MoM about requested syncs? Or get some limited archive-admin power
to do syncs? The more patches we forward the more often we will want
syncs instead of merges.
While it was noted that requests rarely take long, this feature would be
trivial enough to implement.
ACTION: Keybuk to add check to MoM TODO
== Patch Tagging Guidelines ==
seb128 reminded everyone that all patches should now be sent upstream,
and appropriate tags added to the file as outlined in
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/PatchTaggingGuidelines
ACTION: all developers to review and obey
Developers should:
* submit patches upstream
* add tags for all new patches
* add tags when merging or updating a source package for any existing
patches
seb128 also asked whether it was possible to have MoM show the
debian/ubuntu-applied-patches, and whether it was possible to have an
HTML summary of those fed back and those to be fed back based on the
tags
ACTION: seb128 to add examples to the patch tagging wiki
ACTION: Keybuk to add output to MoM TODO
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Re: DisplayConfigGtk
On Sat, 2007-11-03 at 22:21 -0400, Sebastian Heinlein wrote: the coming XRandR support will require some changes to the layout of the main window and the monitor dialog, since we are going to support configurations that can be completely applied on the fly (xrandr for open source drivers) and file based configuration. Furthermore I would like to completely replace GNOME's resolution changing capplet. Bear in mind that file based configuration is eventually going away. If you select a configuration with xrandr, it should be stored such that when you login, the settings are re-applied. The existing xrandr screen resolution applet does this today through gnome-settings-daemon. If I open that applet, I would expect to be able to set up screens how I like, and then every single time I login ever-after, the screens will be set up that way. I do not expect this to change any other user's setting; their screens should stay set up the way *they* like them. The only additional option then becomes making my settings the default for other users who haven't expressed a preference (ie. gdm's settings). This should be a locked option unless I've authenticated as an admin (cf. PolicyKit), and should change the settings of the gdm user so that gdm's gnome-settings-daemon applies them when it starts. (Longer-term, this preference would also be used for the initial mode setting by the kernel.) Scott -- Scott James Remnant [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Desktop Team Development Meeting, 2007-10-04
The team at Canonical responsible for development of the desktop has a weekly meeting in #ubuntu-meeting; since this team forms part of the Desktop Team, it seems appropriate to send meeting minutes to this list. Note that the meeting is public; if you wish to attend, please do (it's at 1200UTC every Thursday) -- if you have items for the agenda, send them to me in advance for consideration. == Present == * Scott James Remnant (Keybuk) - chair * Ian Jackson (iwj) * Jonathan Riddell (Riddell) * Kenneth Wimer (kwwii) * Martin Pitt (pitti) * Michael Vogt (mvo) * Mirco Müller (MacSlow) * Matthew Paul Thomas (mpt) == Agenda == * RC bugs in activity summaries * GNOME summit == RC bugs in activity summaries == A reminder was given to everybody that the must include a list of their assigned Release Critical bugs in their weekly activity summaries. If none are assigned, this should be mentioned in the summary rather than omitting any mention of them. There was question about how to obtain the list, several suggestions were proposed. The easiest two are: 1. Visit the page for the milestone, e.g.: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/ubuntu-7.10-rc 2. Sort by assignee and locate yourself 3. Repeat for older milestones, moving the bugs forward to the new milestone. And 1. Visit the Advanced Search form for Ubuntu bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?advanced=1 2. Enter your username into the Assigned To field 3. Select the milestones you wish to view. mpt asked whether a per-user Launchpad page like the existing package reports one, but with totals per milestone would be useful? ACTION: mpt to propose LP bug tables with totals by milestone (pitti can help with our requirements) ACTION: all to include milestoned bug lists in their activity summaries == GNOME summit == The 2007 GNOME summit is being held in Boston this weekend: http://live.gnome.org/Boston2007 A final call was given to find out whether anybody was interested in attending. MacSlow expressed some interest, but was concerned that someone geographically closer might be more appropriate, or someone with less bugs to attend to (esp. given the short notice). ACTION: Keybuk to discuss with team leads later, and MacSlow afterwards Scott -- Scott James Remnant [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Desktop Team Development Meeting, 2007-09-27
The team at Canonical responsible for development of the desktop has a weekly meeting in #ubuntu-meeting; since this team forms part of the Desktop Team, it seems appropriate to send meeting minutes to this list. Note that the meeting is public; if you wish to attend, please do (it's at 1200UTC every Thursday) -- if you have items for the agenda, send them to me in advance for consideration. == Present == * Scott James Remnant (Keybuk) - chair * Kenneth Wimer (kwwii) * Ian Jackson (iwj) * Jonathan Riddell (Riddell) * Martin Pitt (pitti) * Michael Vogt (mvo) * Mirco Müller (MacSlow) * Tollef Fog Heen (Mithrandir) == Agenda == * Disable apt+http URLs since PPAs (primary use case) are not signed? * buildds don't have debconf accept set for Sun's java licence, no response from infinity == Disable apt+http URLs == apturl: the Spec (and the current implementation) have an apt+http://foo.bar?package=baz syntax that allows adding new repositories if the repository is signed with a key we have in the apt keyring. The use-case for this was PPA. It turns out that PPAs are not signed currently and that it is uncertain when they will and with what key. I would like to disable this feature in apturl therefore for gutsy and come back to it when the situation with the PPAs is more clear. Any objections? Decision was to disable and revisit the implications at UDS. ACTION: iwj to start conversation on ubuntu-devel about automatic software installation etc. == buildds don't have debconf accept set == This was a case where an RT ticket had been filed, and assigned to a member of the IS team who hadn't done it and was not responding to pings. In this situation, it's more than fine to escalate back to their team leader. If that doesn't get you anywhere, let your team leader (ie. me) know and I'll ensure somebody looks at it. ACTION: Riddell to talk to elmo Scott -- Scott James Remnant [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Weekly Meetings
On Thu, 2007-09-13 at 01:55 +0530, Sayamindu Dasgupta wrote: I'm a new user in this list, so I'm not sure whether the Desktop Team Meetings have been useful in the past or not. After IRC discussion with the other desktop team members, I've elected to name our weekly meetings as Desktop Team Development Meetings. The purpose of these meetings will be to update fellow team members on the development progress of desktop specifications. However, after a casual glance through the links you have mentioned, some of the items that can be handled in the immediate next meeting (apart from the usual tracking and report making) are The meetings for the first few weeks will be mostly about gutsy, and its release process; since that's the release we're on at the moment and we're in a bug-fixing rather than a development stage. We won't get into the full swing of things until November, when we begin the Hardy development cycle as a team with a new mission. * Prioritising the items in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Visions (high priority items seem to be Video projector management and Personal Backup with reminder) * If required starting a discussion on the items and identifying the work already done for the items (ie, I was looking at Userfriendly filesystem, and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HideFilesystemStructure, and some of the points mentioned there has been already implemented by my Summer of Code work, outlined at http://live.gnome.org/SummerOfCode2007/Reports/Sayamindu) * The prioritizing can be done for https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UsabilityWishlist as well. Some of the stuff in the UsabilityWishlist do not seem to be very complicated (eg: Open Location Dialog) , and I would definitely love to start work on the easier ones to start with :-). These things are all useful for considering improvements to make to Hardy. Scott -- Scott James Remnant [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
