Re: Default App: Onboard
Le 29/08/2017 à 19:34, Jeremy Bicha a écrit : > As briefly discussed at today's Desktop meeting, we'll be dropping > onboard from the 17.10 default install now. Note that we are still interested to get updates about the situation of onboard under gnome-shell/wayland, ideally we should land the new codebase in universe this cycle to get some feedback if we want to reconsider it next cycle. Cheers, Sebastien Bacher -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Default App: Onboard
Hi Jeremy, Thanks for the piece of information. Cheers, Francesco, member of the Onboard Devel Team. On 2017-08-29 19:34, Jeremy Bicha wrote: > On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 6:21 PM, Jeremy Bicha wrote: >> Since we intend to default to GNOME on Wayland for 17.10 where >> supported by hardware drivers, I nominate removing Onboard from the >> default install. > > As briefly discussed at today's Desktop meeting, we'll be dropping > onboard from the 17.10 default install now. > > Thanks, > Jeremy Bicha > -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Default App: Onboard
On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 6:21 PM, Jeremy Bicha wrote: > Since we intend to default to GNOME on Wayland for 17.10 where > supported by hardware drivers, I nominate removing Onboard from the > default install. As briefly discussed at today's Desktop meeting, we'll be dropping onboard from the 17.10 default install now. Thanks, Jeremy Bicha -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Default App: Onboard
Le 20/08/2017 à 13:27, Jeremy Bicha a écrit : On Sun, Aug 20, 2017 at 7:16 AM, Francesco Fumanti wrote: The adaption of Onboard to GNOME Shell has been our focus since the announcement of Ubuntu switching to GNOME for 17.10. For the reasons outlined by marmuta in this thread, a full integration of the python based Onboard into GNOME Shell seems very difficult, if not impossible. https://bugs.launchpad.net/onboard/+bug/1672465 Thanks for the updates! In the meantime, OnboardOSK is quite usable on X, but not yet in Wayland, which brings me to the question, whether Ubuntu 17.10 is also going to use Wayland as default? Yes. We will not be able to offer a proper release before feature freeze on the 24th of august. What does this mean for Ubuntu 18.04? Will it be possible to have OnboardOSK become default again for Ubuntu 18.04, which is a LTS, if it has not already been the default on-screen keyboard in 17.10? Yes, there is a possibility that OnboardOSK could be used by default for 18.04 LTS, even if Onboard is dropped from the default install for 17.10. Let's be honest though; moving to Caribou will make it less likely to set a new brand codebase (as this is basically a rewrite from what I got to C and C++) for the LTS, especially if we decide for Caribou and it works well for our users. Moreover, as OnboardOSK being a fork from Onboard, I wonder whether it has to go through the Universe and Main inclusion process? It must go through the new queue if it has new binary or source packages. It will probably need to go through a MIR process if it needs to be in Main but it should be simpler than a brand new MIR. Not really, if the code is all new due to this port, it needs a proper full code rereading. To come back to Caribou: how does it handles fcitx (as I think upstream is focused on ibus), maybe we should link that one to the decision on fcitx vs ibus? Cheers, Didier -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Default App: Onboard
On Sun, Aug 20, 2017 at 7:16 AM, Francesco Fumanti wrote: > The adaption of Onboard to GNOME Shell has been our focus since the > announcement of Ubuntu switching to GNOME for 17.10. For the reasons outlined > by marmuta in this thread, a full integration of the python based Onboard > into GNOME Shell seems very difficult, if not impossible. > https://bugs.launchpad.net/onboard/+bug/1672465 Thanks for the updates! > In the meantime, OnboardOSK is quite usable on X, but not yet in Wayland, > which brings me to the question, whether Ubuntu 17.10 is also going to use > Wayland as default? Yes. > We will not be able to offer a proper release before feature freeze on the > 24th of august. What does this mean for Ubuntu 18.04? Will it be possible to > have OnboardOSK become default again for Ubuntu 18.04, which is a LTS, if it > has not already been the default on-screen keyboard in 17.10? Yes, there is a possibility that OnboardOSK could be used by default for 18.04 LTS, even if Onboard is dropped from the default install for 17.10. > Moreover, as OnboardOSK being a fork from Onboard, I wonder whether it has to > go through the Universe and Main inclusion process? It must go through the new queue if it has new binary or source packages. It will probably need to go through a MIR process if it needs to be in Main but it should be simpler than a brand new MIR. Thanks, Jeremy Bicha -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Default App: Onboard
Hi, The adaption of Onboard to GNOME Shell has been our focus since the announcement of Ubuntu switching to GNOME for 17.10. For the reasons outlined by marmuta in this thread, a full integration of the python based Onboard into GNOME Shell seems very difficult, if not impossible. https://bugs.launchpad.net/onboard/+bug/1672465 So he started to port Onboard to C and C++. The current state of the port is available here: https://launchpad.net/onboardosk The adaption to Ubuntu 17.10 has in fact two aspects: 1) GNOME Shell 2) Wayland In the meantime, OnboardOSK is quite usable on X, but not yet in Wayland, which brings me to the question, whether Ubuntu 17.10 is also going to use Wayland as default? We will not be able to offer a proper release before feature freeze on the 24th of august. What does this mean for Ubuntu 18.04? Will it be possible to have OnboardOSK become default again for Ubuntu 18.04, which is a LTS, if it has not already been the default on-screen keyboard in 17.10? Moreover, as OnboardOSK being a fork from Onboard, I wonder whether it has to go through the Universe and Main inclusion process? In any case, once OnboardOSK has reached a state where an installation of it becomes sensible, we will probably offer it through PPAs, as we used to do it for Onboard. Cheers, Francesco On 2017-08-20 00:21, Jeremy Bicha wrote: > Hi, > > Since we intend to default to GNOME on Wayland for 17.10 where > supported by hardware drivers, I nominate removing Onboard from the > default install. > > Onboard doesn't work in Wayland (LP: #1672465) and it would be > difficult for it to work there without GNOME Shell being modified to > allow that. See also https://bugzilla.gnome.org/785677 > > GNOME's built-in Caribou on screen keyboard is not as powerful or > complete as Onboard but maybe it will get better in the next year or > so. Caribou is very well-integrated to GNOME and is already part of > the 17.10 default install. > > Thanks, > Jeremy Bicha > -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Default App: Onboard
Hi, Since we intend to default to GNOME on Wayland for 17.10 where supported by hardware drivers, I nominate removing Onboard from the default install. Onboard doesn't work in Wayland (LP: #1672465) and it would be difficult for it to work there without GNOME Shell being modified to allow that. See also https://bugzilla.gnome.org/785677 GNOME's built-in Caribou on screen keyboard is not as powerful or complete as Onboard but maybe it will get better in the next year or so. Caribou is very well-integrated to GNOME and is already part of the 17.10 default install. Thanks, Jeremy Bicha -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop