Re: Solang or Shotwell vs. F-Spot for Lucid
Solang, Shotwell, and F-Spot are all fine image managers/organizers, but the current plan is to work on F-Spot to get it to meet the following needs: * Quickly viewing images by folder [currently handled by EOG] * Solang and F-Spot both have view-modes but still require importing the image. Shotwell might not. * Editing images without importing (Shotwell does this) * Rotating [currently handled by EOG] * Red-eye removal [currently handled by GIMP] * Cropping [currently handled by GIMP] * optional: Annotating (like making lolcat) [currently handled by GIMP] * optional: Painting on it [currently handled by GIMP] Resizing and saving the file in another file format are also common in-folder image manipulation tasks. Personally I prefer Gthumb over EOG or F-Spots view-mode, since it is fast, easy to use and has enough features. If I had the power, I'd replace EOG with Gthumb and make Gthumb the default program associated to all image file types. Current situation sucks. Even Windows XP's in-folder image manipulation is better.. Shotwell looks nice, but I'm a bit sceptic about new software and how mature they are. -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Solang or Shotwell vs. F-Spot for Lucid
Le lundi 07 décembre 2009 à 21:24 -0500, Danny Piccirillo a écrit : Before too much effort is invested into making F-Spot good enough to meet all of the needs outlined at the UDS Default App Selection session, i thought i should bring up Solang and Shotwell to see if it might be worth including instead of F-Spot in Lucid, or if it's too late, in Lucid +1. Hi, Thank you for raising the topic. What effort are you speaking about exactly there though? The only change we needed was the edit options to be available in view mode basically and upstream already fixed that one. GTumb has been discussed, but it doesn't seem to deliver the goods. Why not? Somebody pointed recently a post about gthumb, the code has been refactored recently apparently and the new version looks quite good Solang is new, yet it's developed quickly and is showing a lot of promise. Shotwell might also be a contender worth discussing, but i am unfamiliar with it. Hopefully someone else has some insights as to how Shotwell compares to Solang and F-Spot. We have something not perfect right now but working ok for common use, it seems risky to want to change to some new codebase in a lts cycle especially when we don't know how reliable upstream is and when those softwares have not been exposed to real user testing and feedback yet. * A major issue with F-Spot that Solang doesn't have is that you have to move images to import them into the library. Do you? The import dialog has a checkbox about copy that you can uncheck * F-Spot is much more resource intensive than Solang Do you have numbers on that? Solang, Shotwell, and F-Spot are all fine image managers/organizers, but the current plan is to work on F-Spot to get it to meet the following needs: * Quickly viewing images by folder [currently handled by EOG] * Solang and F-Spot both have view-modes but still require importing the image. Shotwell might not. No, the f-spot --view mode doesn't require to import anything... * Editing images without importing (Shotwell does this) * Rotating [currently handled by EOG] * Red-eye removal [currently handled by GIMP] * Cropping [currently handled by GIMP] those are done by f-spot as well Although the interface has been cleaned up, it just feels heavy. The comment there is about the user interface or the opening speed, reactivity to actions, ...? It's worth reconsidering how much work should be put in to F-Spot when other projects seem to be progressing faster. If this much work is going to be invested as it is, we should consider whether it might be better to focus on Solang instead. Shotwell might already meet many of these needs, and need significantly less work. We don't put too many efforts in f-spot, the work is done mostly by upstream and the packaging is done mostly by Debian, we just try to issues reported on launchpad and work with upstream on the ones we consider worth trying to fix for the next version. Where did you get that the other projects are moving faster too? They might have extra work to put to catch up with what f-spot does now. The timeline view is rather nice to use and f-spot has quite some other options. Did anybody looked at how those other software handle exporting to flick, picasa or other web services? Please look into both Solang and Shotwell and post your thoughts. Thanks! I will let other people comment on those, but changing a known codebase for new project in a lts cycle doesn't seem a good move from there Sebastien Bacher -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Solang or Shotwell vs. F-Spot for Lucid
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 10:57 AM, Sebastien Bacher seb...@ubuntu.com wrote: Did anybody looked at how those other software handle exporting to flick, picasa or other web services? For Shotwell uploading to Flickr and Facebook is planned for 0.4 which is to be released in December. Picasa is planned for a later version. Btw. an important feature missing from all available programs is uploading to online print services. A list of all planned features is here: http://trac.yorba.org/report/16 An (incomplete) comparison of photo managers is on their wiki: http://trac.yorba.org/wiki/ShotwellFeatureComparison Solang also has exporting to webservices on the todo list, but they also have more extensive plans: acting as a front-end to them, as a photo manager for both your photos on the desktop and in the cloud. Cheers, Wouter -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Solang or Shotwell vs. F-Spot for Lucid
Before too much effort is invested into making F-Spot good enough to meet all of the needs outlined at the UDS Default App Selection session, i thought i should bring up Solanghttp://santanu-sinha.blogspot.com/2009/06/solang.htmland Shotwell http://www.yorba.org/shotwell/ to see if it might be worth including instead of F-Spot in Lucid, or if it's too late, in Lucid +1. GTumb has been discussed, but it doesn't seem to deliver the goods. Solang is new, yet it's developed quickly and is showing a lot of promise. Shotwell might also be a contender worth discussing, but i am unfamiliar with it. Hopefully someone else has some insights as to how Shotwell compares to Solang and F-Spot. - A major issue with F-Spot that Solang doesn't have is that you have to move images to import them into the library. - F-Spot is much more resource intensive than Solang Solang, Shotwell, and F-Spot are all fine image managers/organizers, but the current plan is to work on F-Spot to get it to meet the following needs: - Quickly viewing images by folder [currently handled by EOG] - Solang and F-Spot both have view-modes but still require importing the image. Shotwell might not. - Editing images without importing (Shotwell does this) - Rotating [currently handled by EOG] - Red-eye removal [currently handled by GIMP] - Cropping [currently handled by GIMP] - optional: Annotating (like making lolcat) [currently handled by GIMP] - optional: Painting on it [currently handled by GIMP] Personally, the fact that F-Spot requires moving/copying image files to import the pictures has been enough to keep me from using it. Although the interface has been cleaned up, it just feels heavy. It's worth reconsidering how much work should be put in to F-Spot when other projects seem to be progressing faster. If this much work is going to be invested as it is, we should consider whether it might be better to focus on Solang instead. Shotwell might already meet many of these needs, and need significantly less work. Please look into both Solang and Shotwell and post your thoughts. Thanks! -- .danny ☮♥Ⓐ - http://www.google.com/profiles/danny.piccirillo -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Solang or Shotwell vs. F-Spot for Lucid
I just tried out Shotwell and found it very user friendly, fast, and doesn't force the user to reorganize their existing photo collection. It has a simple but modern look to it. They have a PPA to try it with https://launchpad.net/~yorba/+archive/ppahttps://launchpad.net/%7Eyorba/+archive/ppa It is 1405 Kb with libgee .50 (at 369 kb) so totals under 2 Mb :). For me, it doesn't support many features of gThumb (or as many image types), but it makes up for it in ease of use/organization. Give it a try, Bryan On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 7:54 AM, Danny Piccirillo danny.picciri...@ubuntu.com wrote: Before too much effort is invested into making F-Spot good enough to meet all of the needs outlined at the UDS Default App Selection session, i thought i should bring up Solanghttp://santanu-sinha.blogspot.com/2009/06/solang.htmland Shotwell http://www.yorba.org/shotwell/ to see if it might be worth including instead of F-Spot in Lucid, or if it's too late, in Lucid +1. GTumb has been discussed, but it doesn't seem to deliver the goods. Solang is new, yet it's developed quickly and is showing a lot of promise. Shotwell might also be a contender worth discussing, but i am unfamiliar with it. Hopefully someone else has some insights as to how Shotwell compares to Solang and F-Spot. - A major issue with F-Spot that Solang doesn't have is that you have to move images to import them into the library. - F-Spot is much more resource intensive than Solang Solang, Shotwell, and F-Spot are all fine image managers/organizers, but the current plan is to work on F-Spot to get it to meet the following needs: - Quickly viewing images by folder [currently handled by EOG] - Solang and F-Spot both have view-modes but still require importing the image. Shotwell might not. - Editing images without importing (Shotwell does this) - Rotating [currently handled by EOG] - Red-eye removal [currently handled by GIMP] - Cropping [currently handled by GIMP] - optional: Annotating (like making lolcat) [currently handled by GIMP] - optional: Painting on it [currently handled by GIMP] Personally, the fact that F-Spot requires moving/copying image files to import the pictures has been enough to keep me from using it. Although the interface has been cleaned up, it just feels heavy. It's worth reconsidering how much work should be put in to F-Spot when other projects seem to be progressing faster. If this much work is going to be invested as it is, we should consider whether it might be better to focus on Solang instead. Shotwell might already meet many of these needs, and need significantly less work. Please look into both Solang and Shotwell and post your thoughts. Thanks! -- .danny ☮♥Ⓐ - http://www.google.com/profiles/danny.piccirillo -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
