Re: PiTiVi in Ubuntu 11.10 and beyond
Hi Jeff, here is a link to a recording of the session, hope that helps http://mirrors.tumbleweed.org.za/uds-o/2011-05-13-14-10-desktop-o-default-apps.ogg just used PiTiVi last night for the first time, it seemed pretty good to me. Alan. -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: It's time to jettison CCSM
On 26/01/12 16:28, Jorge O. Castro wrote: With tools like MyUnity now in universe, and didrocks putting basic configuration in the control panel I'd like to propose the removal of compizconfig-settingsmanager. I don't mean stop telling people to use it or add a warning, I mean total removal from the archive until the tool is either better tested or doesn't break people's configuration. Here are some of the problems with the tool. - It's possible to accidentally uncheck the Unity plugin, breaking the user's desktop. - It has a load of checkboxes for plugins that we don't support, allowing infinite combinations of untested options, which result in either a broken desktop or a misconfigured one. - People report these bugs, and instead of fixing real bugs we have to deal with corner case bugs for things we never plan on supporting. - Since it's settings are separate from Unity a unity --reset doesn't fix it, you have to blow away .compiz or some other dotfile directories to get a desktop back. - Alex Chiang has documented some of the issues he's run into here: http://askubuntu.com/a/80590/235 - I'm sure at UDS you've seen didrocks show you one of the ways it breaks even when using parts of it that shouldn't break. MyUnity is a better user-facing tool anyway for those that want to play, it would be a shame to have the ccsm tool ship in an LTS. If anyone cares about it they can plop it in a PPA. OK, so: How do we turn on and configure compiz enhanced zoom for visually impaired users? (turning it on by default would be cool, super+mousewheel to activate and mouse polling set to 15ms please) we have some text cursor tracking arriving for this soon too. How do we turn on the negative and color filter and opacity/brightness/saturation plugins for users who like to use them or for application developers to test applications to see how they would be perceived by colorblind users? How do we turn on a different switcher for people who can't get their heads round the unity application switcher (that would be me) and want to use shift switcher or the default switcher? ccsm has not crashed for me in precise, it was pretty horrible during the oneiric cycle but works OK now. Alan. -- The Open Learning Centre is rebranding, find out about our new name and look at http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: It's time to jettison CCSM
On 26/01/12 16:28, Jorge O. Castro wrote: - It's possible to accidentally uncheck the Unity plugin, breaking the user's desktop. Maybe make it a bit harder to do that, principally by removing the depends on largedesktop. The reason people uncheck unity by accident is because they want to turn on the cube. I think if you just drop the depends line then it won't disable unity when you change your workspace switcher from wall to the cube. If you uninstall wall and cube then the workspace switcher stops working which is logical enough. If you want to make it impossible to disable unity then you can probably do that The suggestion to drop ccsm as a whole does feel a bit like Unity doesn't work right with other plugins, lets get rid of all the others when educating Unity to play nice with it's friends would be a much better solution. Alan. -- The Open Learning Centre is rebranding, find out about our new name and look at http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: It's time to jettison CCSM
On 26/01/12 22:55, Jan Claeys wrote: Jorge O. Castro schreef op do 26-01-2012 om 11:28 [-0500]: MyUnity is a better user-facing tool anyway for those that want to play Based on the screenshots I found, the auto-generated UI of CCSM for the Unity plugin is actually better (more understandable by normal users) than the MyUnity UI. That doesn't sound like an improvement to me... (I hope I was looking at screenshots of an outdated version of it?) I installed myunity in precise. It has an inconsistent user interface which breaks accessibility (left and right buttons to swipe across pages of options when a tabbed notebook would make more sense and be more consistent) and it is not keyboard navigable. It has a rather lurid green branding (with no transparency on this so you can see where it covers up the dotty background) and is some distance from the pixel perfect elegance of the rest of the unity stuff that has been built, but this is OK, it can be fixed, it just isn't there yet in terms of looks. More importantly is it a good framework for managing options and can we add enough in there to satisfy the needs in particular of the people who like the great stuff in the accessibility plugins. Alan. -- The Open Learning Centre is rebranding, find out about our new name and look at http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: It's time to jettison CCSM
On 26/01/12 23:14, Alan Bell wrote: it is not keyboard navigable I tell a lie, it *is* keyboard navigable, you can tab off the controls on the first page and get focus on all the hidden controls on the other pages (that you can't see because you are still looking at the first page) and you end up turning off your font anti-aliasing and hinting and messing up settings all over the place whilst trying to get keyboard focus on the next page widget :-/ Alan. -- The Open Learning Centre is rebranding, find out about our new name and look at http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Your recent patch of CompizConfig Settings Manager.
Different approach. Stop depending on the largedesktop feature. https://code.launchpad.net/~alanbell/unity/removelargedesktopdependency/+merge/93687 This does not seem to cause me any problems, if you drop this dependency it doesn't remove unity when you swap between cube and wall. If you have neither then the switcher stops working as one would expect. Turn wall back on and the switcher starts working. I think this simple fix would remove 80% of the user initiated unity removals. I can see a different mode for ccsm being useful and easy to implement where it doesn't show any non-enabled plugins, and doesn't allow you to disable any plugins, but lets you tweak settings for plugins that are enabled. The only unstable thing I have seen is when plugins are enabled or disabled and unity gets upset (not seen that with 5.4 yet) so removing all activation and deactivations seems like a safer optional mode for ccsm. Alan. -- The Open Learning Centre is rebranding, find out about our new name and look at http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: virtualbox
hello, yes I have had problems with 12.10 in virtualbox for sound, https://launchpad.net/bugs/1016969 it is possible to get to the pulse audio dialog and change the device to one of the two LFE devices, I can try it again later and provide the exact key sequence to do so. I didn't tag that bug as an a11y bug because it is an audio totally broken for everyone bug rather than orca specific issue even though it does mean that Quantal is basically untestable in virtualbox for blind users. It does boot OK when testing on real hardware and you get the drums and ctrl+s starts orca as normal. Ubiquity has changed a bit but I can get all the way through it without cheating and turning my monitor on, I will do a full keystroke guide and audio/video at some point pre-release. Alan. On 19/09/12 13:54, Peter Vágner wrote: Hello, I am running Ubuntu 12.04 64 bit as the main OS. I have installed virtual box using software centre and checked all the additions during setup e.g. 32 bit kernel support and network ethernet driver. At the end of a virtualbox install I have just rebooted the machine to make sure everything is in its place. Then after the boot I have createda new machine in the virtualbox and I am currently trying to boot a daily live 32 bit image of ubuntu 12:10 inside it. The virtual machine launches I am even getting informative messages regarding direct mouse and keyboard capture but I am not getting that usual drum sounds coming from the guest OS. Is my install of virtualbox screwed or ubuntu 12.10 has changed something in this regard? I have also waited some 10 minutes in case and pressed ctrl+s without any audible difference. In the virtual machine settings window I have audio turned on and set to pulse. Any possible hints? Is anyone running 12.04 in virtualbox with sound output? oh btw on the host OS I can see vbox channel while looking into the pulseaudio volume control. Greetings Peter -- I work at http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: [Desktop13.04-Topic] accessibility
I would like the text cursor tracking zoom to be incorporated, there is code that works, it just needs to be incorporated properly https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/727290 https://code.launchpad.net/~gloob/compiz/texttracking I can understand dropping the themes, Unity doesn't really work with any non-default themes, accessible or otherwise. Why not go one step further and drop theme support? If themes are to come back in general it would be good to have some designed for low vision users in the list. Providing alternative GUIs for controlling some of the excellent compiz accessibility features would be good, show mouse is another one that is really good (stars that float around the mouse cursor without obscuring it). The OpenGL accelerated Enhanced zoom is fantastic - and actually makes the spread usable if you have more than about a dozen windows - you can zoom in and pan around, they are not all tiny thumbnails, we have this in, and turn it off by default (or have no key/mouse bindings for it) and it is one of the best features of the whole operating system! Alan. On 16/10/12 04:09, Jeremy Bicha wrote: I have three accessibility items. First, I'd like to drop the HighContrastInverse LowContrast themes. GNOME dropped support for these two themes late this cycle and they can no longer be set in an unpatched gnome-control-center. The idea is that this one theme will be significantly better than trying to support three mediocre themes. I hacked in support for these themes for 3.6.0 in Ubuntu 12.10 but gnome-themes-standard 3.6.1 isn't building for me yet with the hack. The two dropped themes aren't really terribly usable anyway, and unless someone steps up to maintain them, it's not worth the headache to try to keep them building. My second item is a requested feature. It would be really great if Unity would support the zoom and color effects built in to GNOME 3.6. By setting inverse or adjusting the brightness/conast this way, all apps (even web pages in your web browser) will respect your color setting. http://bicha.net/img/gnome-zoom1.png http://bicha.net/img/gnome-zoom2.png http://bicha.net/img/gnome-zoom3.png And finally, Unity includes a mostly hidden accessibility status menu. It's probably a good thing it's hidden as it's almost useless at the moment. I filed bug http://pad.lv/1067166 requesting that a replacement be designed and included in 13.04. Jeremy -- I work at http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Ubuntu and a screenreader
On 18/10/13 01:29, tapper wrote: hi what's going on with the new Ubuntu: can i as a blind computer user install it with speech. are you going to update the wiki or even do a blog post about it. i will be very happy if you can get back to me and let me no as win 8 is a pile! thanks Tapper sorry, it is dreadful to install at the moment, there are about 7 dots at the bottom of the ubiquity installer, each one isn't really a dot, it is a progress bar with zero length, this means that every page of the installer will read out loads of progress bar statuses https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1154345 You can fight your way through this, but it is hard. Hopefully 14.04 will be installable as an LTS. Alan. -- I work at http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
