Re: Adding Spidermonkey 17esr to Raring
I guess this got lost in the flood of Rolling Release discussions Is there any reason why we couldnt have both versions of spidermonkey in the archive? It is simply not feasible to port all rdepends to the new engine, and I guess most other upstreams (apart from gnome) arent going to start porting things until new engine is readily available in distros. - Tim On 28/02/13 12:33, Tim wrote: Hi, Finally after about 2 years Mozilla are releasing a version of the standalone spidermonkey engine. This release is based off the engine from Firefox 17esr. It has taken quite a long time to get to this stage, and I was hoping it would happen earlier in the cycle, but I would still like to get this into raring if at all possible. My motivation for this is the great improvements it brings to gnome-shell. This release fixes a number of high impact issues including greater performance, greatly reduces memory leaks, and finally solves the long standing and quite common issue with Garbage Collection deadlocks. I ported gjs to this engine a few months ago and while it hasnt landed upstream yet, the plan for 3.8 is to branch gjs and release 2 versions of gjs, one for each engine. This new gjs is API compatible with 3.6, and in fact works great with gnome-shell 3.6, so essentially it would be great to bring these improvements into raring. There are big API/ABI breaks in this release compared to previous 185 release. Currently none of the other rdepends have been ported as far as I know, and its probably not realistic to get all of them ported this cycle. Mostly the porting is easy enough, however it does result in quite large diff's so would really want to be done upstream, as it would probably be a nightmare to maintain these as Distro patches. Add to this CouchDB is fundamentally incompatible with this new release, due to their use of illegal javascript syntax (in 185 enforcement of this was optional) as a core feature of their user scripts. Given the above, replacing/upgrading the old package is simply not going to be feasible this cycle. I propose adding this new engine as an additional library, I discussed this on IRC a bit with seb128 and chriscoulson, however they were unsure about whether this is something that could want to go ahead and suggested that I raise it here for more widespread discussion. Main issues raised were overall its a low priority but also some security concerns. Hopefully now with all the patches on their way into the upstream mozilla code-base, future releases will be more regular, they will be tracking the firefox esr releases. Although not really guaranteed just yet, it is planned for some point releases over the life of each version. Probably issues with overlapping versions will continue to be a problem until the JS C API settles down, next release 24 will again break all rdepends. - Tim -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Re: Adding Spidermonkey 17esr to Raring
According to https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/SpiderMonkey, SpiderMonkey 1.8.5 is the most recent standalone source code release, and that's what we already have in Debian/Ubuntu (src:mozjs). I also don't see anything newer on their FTP. Are you sure there was a new *standalone* release? -- Dmitry Shachnev On 2/28/13, Tim t...@feathertop.org wrote: Hi, Finally after about 2 years Mozilla are releasing a version of the standalone spidermonkey engine. This release is based off the engine from Firefox 17esr. It has taken quite a long time to get to this stage, and I was hoping it would happen earlier in the cycle, but I would still like to get this into raring if at all possible. My motivation for this is the great improvements it brings to gnome-shell. This release fixes a number of high impact issues including greater performance, greatly reduces memory leaks, and finally solves the long standing and quite common issue with Garbage Collection deadlocks. I ported gjs to this engine a few months ago and while it hasnt landed upstream yet, the plan for 3.8 is to branch gjs and release 2 versions of gjs, one for each engine. This new gjs is API compatible with 3.6, and in fact works great with gnome-shell 3.6, so essentially it would be great to bring these improvements into raring. There are big API/ABI breaks in this release compared to previous 185 release. Currently none of the other rdepends have been ported as far as I know, and its probably not realistic to get all of them ported this cycle. Mostly the porting is easy enough, however it does result in quite large diff's so would really want to be done upstream, as it would probably be a nightmare to maintain these as Distro patches. Add to this CouchDB is fundamentally incompatible with this new release, due to their use of illegal javascript syntax (in 185 enforcement of this was optional) as a core feature of their user scripts. Given the above, replacing/upgrading the old package is simply not going to be feasible this cycle. I propose adding this new engine as an additional library, I discussed this on IRC a bit with seb128 and chriscoulson, however they were unsure about whether this is something that could want to go ahead and suggested that I raise it here for more widespread discussion. Main issues raised were overall its a low priority but also some security concerns. Hopefully now with all the patches on their way into the upstream mozilla code-base, future releases will be more regular, they will be tracking the firefox esr releases. Although not really guaranteed just yet, it is planned for some point releases over the life of each version. Probably issues with overlapping versions will continue to be a problem until the JS C API settles down, next release 24 will again break all rdepends. - Tim -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Re: Adding Spidermonkey 17esr to Raring
Yes, a new source package (mozjs17) makes sense I think. As the current package is in sync with Debian, maybe it'll be a good idea to get the new one uploaded there, as well. -- Dmitry Shachnev On 3/6/13, Tim t...@feathertop.org wrote: Its currently at RC, due for release in the next few days. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=735599#c44 I have spent quite a bit of time, patching their build system etc, to make this happen, but still it has taken forever to get to this point. - Tim On 06/03/13 17:29, Dmitry Shachnev wrote: According to https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/SpiderMonkey, SpiderMonkey 1.8.5 is the most recent standalone source code release, and that's what we already have in Debian/Ubuntu (src:mozjs). I also don't see anything newer on their FTP. Are you sure there was a new *standalone* release? -- Dmitry Shachnev On 2/28/13, Tim t...@feathertop.org wrote: Hi, Finally after about 2 years Mozilla are releasing a version of the standalone spidermonkey engine. This release is based off the engine from Firefox 17esr. It has taken quite a long time to get to this stage, and I was hoping it would happen earlier in the cycle, but I would still like to get this into raring if at all possible. My motivation for this is the great improvements it brings to gnome-shell. This release fixes a number of high impact issues including greater performance, greatly reduces memory leaks, and finally solves the long standing and quite common issue with Garbage Collection deadlocks. I ported gjs to this engine a few months ago and while it hasnt landed upstream yet, the plan for 3.8 is to branch gjs and release 2 versions of gjs, one for each engine. This new gjs is API compatible with 3.6, and in fact works great with gnome-shell 3.6, so essentially it would be great to bring these improvements into raring. There are big API/ABI breaks in this release compared to previous 185 release. Currently none of the other rdepends have been ported as far as I know, and its probably not realistic to get all of them ported this cycle. Mostly the porting is easy enough, however it does result in quite large diff's so would really want to be done upstream, as it would probably be a nightmare to maintain these as Distro patches. Add to this CouchDB is fundamentally incompatible with this new release, due to their use of illegal javascript syntax (in 185 enforcement of this was optional) as a core feature of their user scripts. Given the above, replacing/upgrading the old package is simply not going to be feasible this cycle. I propose adding this new engine as an additional library, I discussed this on IRC a bit with seb128 and chriscoulson, however they were unsure about whether this is something that could want to go ahead and suggested that I raise it here for more widespread discussion. Main issues raised were overall its a low priority but also some security concerns. Hopefully now with all the patches on their way into the upstream mozilla code-base, future releases will be more regular, they will be tracking the firefox esr releases. Although not really guaranteed just yet, it is planned for some point releases over the life of each version. Probably issues with overlapping versions will continue to be a problem until the JS C API settles down, next release 24 will again break all rdepends. - Tim -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Re: Adding Spidermonkey 17esr to Raring
Its currently at RC, due for release in the next few days. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=735599#c44 I have spent quite a bit of time, patching their build system etc, to make this happen, but still it has taken forever to get to this point. - Tim On 06/03/13 17:29, Dmitry Shachnev wrote: According to https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/SpiderMonkey, SpiderMonkey 1.8.5 is the most recent standalone source code release, and that's what we already have in Debian/Ubuntu (src:mozjs). I also don't see anything newer on their FTP. Are you sure there was a new *standalone* release? -- Dmitry Shachnev On 2/28/13, Tim t...@feathertop.org wrote: Hi, Finally after about 2 years Mozilla are releasing a version of the standalone spidermonkey engine. This release is based off the engine from Firefox 17esr. It has taken quite a long time to get to this stage, and I was hoping it would happen earlier in the cycle, but I would still like to get this into raring if at all possible. My motivation for this is the great improvements it brings to gnome-shell. This release fixes a number of high impact issues including greater performance, greatly reduces memory leaks, and finally solves the long standing and quite common issue with Garbage Collection deadlocks. I ported gjs to this engine a few months ago and while it hasnt landed upstream yet, the plan for 3.8 is to branch gjs and release 2 versions of gjs, one for each engine. This new gjs is API compatible with 3.6, and in fact works great with gnome-shell 3.6, so essentially it would be great to bring these improvements into raring. There are big API/ABI breaks in this release compared to previous 185 release. Currently none of the other rdepends have been ported as far as I know, and its probably not realistic to get all of them ported this cycle. Mostly the porting is easy enough, however it does result in quite large diff's so would really want to be done upstream, as it would probably be a nightmare to maintain these as Distro patches. Add to this CouchDB is fundamentally incompatible with this new release, due to their use of illegal javascript syntax (in 185 enforcement of this was optional) as a core feature of their user scripts. Given the above, replacing/upgrading the old package is simply not going to be feasible this cycle. I propose adding this new engine as an additional library, I discussed this on IRC a bit with seb128 and chriscoulson, however they were unsure about whether this is something that could want to go ahead and suggested that I raise it here for more widespread discussion. Main issues raised were overall its a low priority but also some security concerns. Hopefully now with all the patches on their way into the upstream mozilla code-base, future releases will be more regular, they will be tracking the firefox esr releases. Although not really guaranteed just yet, it is planned for some point releases over the life of each version. Probably issues with overlapping versions will continue to be a problem until the JS C API settles down, next release 24 will again break all rdepends. - Tim -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Re: Adding Spidermonkey 17esr to Raring
yes, indeed. But debian will be in for some confusion, they current package the non-standalone engine as libmozjs17d etc (as part of iceweasel). - Tim On 06/03/13 18:06, Dmitry Shachnev wrote: Yes, a new source package (mozjs17) makes sense I think. As the current package is in sync with Debian, maybe it'll be a good idea to get the new one uploaded there, as well. -- Dmitry Shachnev On 3/6/13, Tim t...@feathertop.org wrote: Its currently at RC, due for release in the next few days. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=735599#c44 I have spent quite a bit of time, patching their build system etc, to make this happen, but still it has taken forever to get to this point. - Tim On 06/03/13 17:29, Dmitry Shachnev wrote: According to https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/SpiderMonkey, SpiderMonkey 1.8.5 is the most recent standalone source code release, and that's what we already have in Debian/Ubuntu (src:mozjs). I also don't see anything newer on their FTP. Are you sure there was a new *standalone* release? -- Dmitry Shachnev On 2/28/13, Tim t...@feathertop.org wrote: Hi, Finally after about 2 years Mozilla are releasing a version of the standalone spidermonkey engine. This release is based off the engine from Firefox 17esr. It has taken quite a long time to get to this stage, and I was hoping it would happen earlier in the cycle, but I would still like to get this into raring if at all possible. My motivation for this is the great improvements it brings to gnome-shell. This release fixes a number of high impact issues including greater performance, greatly reduces memory leaks, and finally solves the long standing and quite common issue with Garbage Collection deadlocks. I ported gjs to this engine a few months ago and while it hasnt landed upstream yet, the plan for 3.8 is to branch gjs and release 2 versions of gjs, one for each engine. This new gjs is API compatible with 3.6, and in fact works great with gnome-shell 3.6, so essentially it would be great to bring these improvements into raring. There are big API/ABI breaks in this release compared to previous 185 release. Currently none of the other rdepends have been ported as far as I know, and its probably not realistic to get all of them ported this cycle. Mostly the porting is easy enough, however it does result in quite large diff's so would really want to be done upstream, as it would probably be a nightmare to maintain these as Distro patches. Add to this CouchDB is fundamentally incompatible with this new release, due to their use of illegal javascript syntax (in 185 enforcement of this was optional) as a core feature of their user scripts. Given the above, replacing/upgrading the old package is simply not going to be feasible this cycle. I propose adding this new engine as an additional library, I discussed this on IRC a bit with seb128 and chriscoulson, however they were unsure about whether this is something that could want to go ahead and suggested that I raise it here for more widespread discussion. Main issues raised were overall its a low priority but also some security concerns. Hopefully now with all the patches on their way into the upstream mozilla code-base, future releases will be more regular, they will be tracking the firefox esr releases. Although not really guaranteed just yet, it is planned for some point releases over the life of each version. Probably issues with overlapping versions will continue to be a problem until the JS C API settles down, next release 24 will again break all rdepends. - Tim -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Adding Spidermonkey 17esr to Raring
Hi, Finally after about 2 years Mozilla are releasing a version of the standalone spidermonkey engine. This release is based off the engine from Firefox 17esr. It has taken quite a long time to get to this stage, and I was hoping it would happen earlier in the cycle, but I would still like to get this into raring if at all possible. My motivation for this is the great improvements it brings to gnome-shell. This release fixes a number of high impact issues including greater performance, greatly reduces memory leaks, and finally solves the long standing and quite common issue with Garbage Collection deadlocks. I ported gjs to this engine a few months ago and while it hasnt landed upstream yet, the plan for 3.8 is to branch gjs and release 2 versions of gjs, one for each engine. This new gjs is API compatible with 3.6, and in fact works great with gnome-shell 3.6, so essentially it would be great to bring these improvements into raring. There are big API/ABI breaks in this release compared to previous 185 release. Currently none of the other rdepends have been ported as far as I know, and its probably not realistic to get all of them ported this cycle. Mostly the porting is easy enough, however it does result in quite large diff's so would really want to be done upstream, as it would probably be a nightmare to maintain these as Distro patches. Add to this CouchDB is fundamentally incompatible with this new release, due to their use of illegal javascript syntax (in 185 enforcement of this was optional) as a core feature of their user scripts. Given the above, replacing/upgrading the old package is simply not going to be feasible this cycle. I propose adding this new engine as an additional library, I discussed this on IRC a bit with seb128 and chriscoulson, however they were unsure about whether this is something that could want to go ahead and suggested that I raise it here for more widespread discussion. Main issues raised were overall its a low priority but also some security concerns. Hopefully now with all the patches on their way into the upstream mozilla code-base, future releases will be more regular, they will be tracking the firefox esr releases. Although not really guaranteed just yet, it is planned for some point releases over the life of each version. Probably issues with overlapping versions will continue to be a problem until the JS C API settles down, next release 24 will again break all rdepends. - Tim -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
