Re: fsck on boot is major usability issue

2007-12-20 Thread Jonathan Musther
I've spent a lot of time looking for the reasoning behind still doing the
checks, all I've found is anecdotal evidence, some people say they have
first hand experience of errors creeping in, which were then fixed by fsck.
On the other hand some people, although a small number, have turned them off
with no apparent trouble.  I would very much like to hear from somebody on
the ext3 team about this.

I'm not against simply disabling the checks on principle, but I would want
to be confident that it wasn't going to cause problems.


On Dec 21, 2007 9:31 AM, Phillip Susi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Jonathan Musther wrote:
  Hi,
I'm new to this list, I joined it because I saw in the archive that
  recently you were discussing the problem with running fsck on boot as a
  'just in case' filesystem check.  I joined the list because I'm the
 author
  of AutoFsck, the script you discussed which effectively moves fsck to
  shutdown, and asks the user before it is run.

 I still say we should just disable the checks entirely.  No other
 filesystem still does this nonsense.  It's just a holdover from ext2,
 which had it as a leftover from ext, which had it out of convention from
 minix, which did it as purely pedantic ( or did it actually perform some
 maintenance then that needed done periodically?  I can't remember ).

 On the other hand, your solution looks like a great improvement.




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Re: Ubuntu Screens/Resolutions Management - or the reason i still MUST use m$ windows

2007-12-20 Thread Sid Arth
What card are you using? I was just wondering if anybody else is
having troubles with nvidia cards and two monitors?

On Dec 16, 2007 6:58 PM, (``-_-´´) -- Fernando [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi there.
 I meant to write this email to Ubuntu-Desktop ML, but since you brought this 
 topic, I'll reply here.

 Last Saturday, I did a small presentation on apt-cacher, and using Ubuntu 
 Hardy, without any xorg.conf due to the new X 7.3 and xrandr 1.2, and plug-in 
 for the
 first time a projector (@ 1024x768 vs 1280x800 12.1 LCD) with hardy on my 
 855 Intel, it was a great surprise that (almost) everything Just Worked.
 After GDM started, I could see both screens. Sure, some parts of it were 
 cut-off 'cause of the 10241280.
 After login, i just clicked on Grandr v0.2 applet and changed the resolution 
 to 1024. For some freak setting, my LCD got turned off, and I was left with 
 only the
 projector.
 I opened up a console, and typed xrandr --auto. My LCD turned on, the top and 
 bottom bars were set to 1024 px, but I still could see and use an extra screen
 space at the right of the screen.

 Bottom line, at least on Hardy, most of it worked great, and even better then 
 using displayconfig-gtk (which requires X restart) or grandr UI ( that seems 
 to not
 work that great on current xrandr and crashs a bit).
 Didnt had the time to test using xrandr  --left-of output/--right-of 
 output (to have a dual-monitor system, instead of clone screen system) or 
 --size (to fix
 my LCD strange look), but I guess I'll give it a go with an external CRT/LCD 
 this week.

 Sure, I agree with you, that the OS/X should (automatically) detect the the 
 VGA is no longer in use, instead of requiring the  [power]user to punch 
 xrandr --auto,
 but I can live with it on an Alpha/Developement OS. My magor peeve with my 
 transaction from windows still remains the lack of S-Video / TV Out support on
 pre-9xx Intel GPUs.



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Re: fsck on boot is major usability issue

2007-12-20 Thread Mario Vukelic

On Fri, 2007-12-21 at 09:44 +1300, Jonathan Musther wrote:
 I would very much like to hear from somebody on the ext3 team about
 this.

When ext3 was new, I am pretty certain that I have read quotes by
Theodore T'so that he does not recommend turning off the checks. It's
been a long time though, and searching now turns up nothing definitive
for me.

I find the long-standing insecurity abut this topic very weird, though.
If an important ext3-using distro like Ubuntu asked the ext3 team,
wouldn't they get an answer quickly? I would think so.


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RE: regular fsck runs are too disturbing

2007-12-20 Thread Chris Jones
A little while ago there was a discussion here about fsck running at
boot,
and the program AutoFsck. The author of AutoFsck just contacted me and
asked
me what his next step should be. I don't have any official standing in
the
Ubuntu dev community, so I'm just going to forward his message out
here in
the hopes that it will get opened up for a more comprehensive
discussion.

Evan

PS I also sent him a link to join this list, so hopefully he'll be
able to
contribute to the discussion.


I too was contacted by a Jonathon Musther.
But the email I received was different. It reads...

Hi Chris Jones 
 
I wouldn\'t normally use this mailing list for anything other than
announcements about new versions of AutoFsck.  But I have been inundated
with people requesting information on how to promote AutoFsck, and get
it (or something with the functionality) into the Ubuntu distribution.
I\'ve been trying to do this myself for a long time, but have not got
very far.  To this end I have set up a petition at the bottom of the
page:
http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutoFsck

Please read it and consider adding your name.

Also feel free to email me if you have any comments, suggestions etc:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Kind Regards

Jonathan Musther
 


I'm not quite sure why I received it either. I suspect it's just because
I'm a member of the AutoFsck Mailing List.


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Easy Add/Remove Porgrams for non-sudoers with local PREFIX?

2007-12-20 Thread Carsten Agger
Like in many packages, you can say

./configure PREFIX=~/bin

you'll install the package locally and don't need to be superuser. Are
there any plans to integrate this functionality with synaptic/Add-Remove
for non-sudoers, or am I missing something?

br
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