Re: Got Hardy? With Sound?
hi, Am Freitag, den 28.03.2008, 01:00 +0100 schrieb Jan Claeys: Op vrijdag 28-03-2008 om 09:07 uur [tijdzone +1100], schreef Luke Yelavich: and flash has libflashsupport, which provides pulseaudio output for flash. Does that work on 64-bit systems now? (It didn't work (easily) in gutsy.) libflashsupport was added to the lib32 package, so it should work with nspluginwrapper now. ciao oli signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Unneeded System Tools menu
In Hardy, all applications that don't really manage system-wide or user settings were moved from System-Preferences and -Administration to Applications-System Tools. This is a good idea as a general rule since previously both configuration menus were bloated by numerous tools. But in the default install, adding a System Tools menu in Applications in not user-friendly. The two only tools that appear there are hwtest-gtk and gnome-system-monitor: these are not likely to be used by the base user; furthermore, their use is very different from that of most applications, i.e. editing documents, and so on. So I suggest we choose either to put g-s-m and back to System-Administration, or we hide its icon, adding elsewhere a way to start it (a keyboard shortcut?), and the sme for hwtest-gtk. We may consider short-term and long-term solutions to this, because the current situation is IMHO not very good. This was already raised in this bug (with one duplicate): https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-system-monitor/+bug/205190 Cheers -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Unneeded System Tools menu
On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 11:48 AM, Milan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In Hardy, all applications that don't really manage system-wide or user settings were moved from System-Preferences and -Administration to Applications-System Tools. This is a good idea as a general rule since previously both configuration menus were bloated by numerous tools. But in the default install, adding a System Tools menu in Applications in not user-friendly. The two only tools that appear there are hwtest-gtk and gnome-system-monitor: these are not likely to be used by the base user; furthermore, their use is very different from that of most applications, i.e. editing documents, and so on. So I suggest we choose either to put g-s-m and back to System-Administration, or we hide its icon, adding elsewhere a way to start it (a keyboard shortcut?), and the sme for hwtest-gtk. We may consider short-term and long-term solutions to this, because the current situation is IMHO not very good. This was already raised in this bug (with one duplicate): https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-system-monitor/+bug/205190 I agree that the current solution is badly presented. The problem for me is that we already have a System menu, so it's inelegant in the extreme to show the user a System Tools menu under the Applications menu. A better solution in my opinion would be to move the Applications - System Tools submenu to a System - Tools submenu. Copying this email to -desktop. Matt -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Unneeded System Tools menu
2008/3/31, Matthew East [EMAIL PROTECTED]: A better solution in my opinion would be to move the Applications - System Tools submenu to a System - Tools submenu. I agree that the current setup is very poor, for the reasons already presented. If the System - Tools is unfeasible at this point, and if the System Monitor is not wanted to put back under System menu (under a submenu or as a separate item), it could fit in the Applications-Accessories well enough. Print jobs tool is already there, which is a bit similar... That would leave only hwtest-gtk, which is strictly an admin tool (asks for sudo rights) so it could maybe fit under the System menu. I actually liked its place inside the HAL Device Manager when such program was included, now I'm not sure where it should be... By the hwtest-gtk is currently completely untranslated and untranslatable: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hwtest/+bug/202447, which adds to the need of it being not too visible unless the bug is fixed. -Timo -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Tux Paint on Gutsy
I have Gutsy running on 2 HP x4000's. Both clients have 2-2.4Ghz CPUs and 4GB memory. My 5 year old loves the Tux Paint program. The first client has Vista as the host OS and Gutsy running on top of VMWare Server -- Tux Paint works great. I just rebuild my 5 year olds client (the second X4000) from Vista to Ubuntu as the base OS (to give here the OS she likes best). When I try to install the Tux Paint package, I get an error stating the the package either has a conflict or is not supported on the hardware. I cannot find the conflict and I know the hardware is supported. Any ideas? Thanks -- Michael Petit -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Got Hardy? With Sound?
On Thursday 27 March 2008 19:28:28 Jerone Young wrote: Does skype work if you do a fresh reboot that is the only sound app you launch ? All good points. Even today, I was using Skype for a while with no prob. But after a while I started doing the daily updates, and ALSA just started to make that annoying noise and I had to stop it with sudo /etc/ini.d/alsa-utils stop. Of course Skype audio also spot working. After a reboot, all is well. -- BUGabundo :o) (``-_-´´) http://Ubuntu.BUGabundo.net Linux user #443786GPG key 1024D/A1784EBB My new micro-blog @ http://BUGabundo.net ps. My emails tend to sound authority and aggressive. I'm sorry in advance. I'll try to be more assertive as time goes by... signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Call for testing: qbankmanager/gnucash/hbci users
Rationale: cf. https://launchpad.net/bugs/209181 If you are runnung hardy and use qbankmanager, please give the packages from http://launchpad.net/~gnucash/+archive a shot. They are unmodified sources from debian/unstable, and I expect them to work in hardy just fine. How to test: execute the following instructions in a shell: cat EOT | sudo tee -a /etc/apt/sources.list deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/gnucash/ubuntu hardy main deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/gnucash/ubuntu hardy main EOT sudo apt-get install qbankmanager gnucash Now the latest versions of qbankmanager and gnucash should be available for use on your system. Please test them and report your experiences (both positive and negative) to https://launchpad.net/bugs/209181. -- Gruesse/greetings, Reinhard Tartler, KeyID 945348A4 -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Unneeded System Tools menu
Le lundi 31 mars 2008 à 12:48 +0200, Milan a écrit : In Hardy, all applications that don't really manage system-wide or user settings were moved from System-Preferences and -Administration to Applications-System Tools. The change has been decided in a recent desktop team meeting on IRC. The category is an upstream official one and quite some applications are using it. We used to do changes to not have it on the default installation but the system menus have lot of items and the category is quickly unmasked when installing something using it anyway We will likely move some other things back there if we continue to use the category. The comments there are interesting though. Why do you think it's an issue? Do you find confusing to have the category unmasked and containing only one item if you install vmware for example? Sebastien Bacher -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: VIA/S3G VT8623 [Apollo CLE266] display broken twice
hi, Am Montag, den 31.03.2008, 16:33 +0200 schrieb André Pirard: Hello, Please could something be done to prevent breaking that display adapter twice in a row? i cant see that breakage on any of my thin clients that are CLE266 based here with hardy (and i didnt with any of the former releases) ... whats the rest of your HW specs ? its not mentioned in the bug, there might be a kernel bug with the framebuffer driver (seems my devices here dont use it but i got a report yesterday about someone having a similar issue, can you confirm you see the same memory size detection failed message as in bug [1] ?) ciao oli [1] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/208137 signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Unneeded System Tools menu
On Mon, 2008-03-31 at 12:48 +0200, Milan wrote: In Hardy, all applications that don't really manage system-wide or user settings were moved from System-Preferences and -Administration to Applications-System Tools. This is a good idea as a general rule since previously both configuration menus were bloated by numerous tools. But in the default install, adding a System Tools menu in Applications in not user-friendly. The two only tools that appear there are hwtest-gtk and gnome-system-monitor: these are not likely to be used by the base user; furthermore, their use is very different from that of most applications, i.e. editing documents, and so on. So I suggest we choose either to put g-s-m and back to System-Administration, or we hide its icon, adding elsewhere a way to start it (a keyboard shortcut?), and the sme for hwtest-gtk. We may consider short-term and long-term solutions to this, because the current situation is IMHO not very good. Please don't consider this type of thing, hide the icon. There is nothing more annoying for users than getting used to a certain thing and then having it completely changed. Please consider this carefully and then plan the change with the goal to leave it that way for a long time. As founder and head of the Cowichan Valley Linux Users Group I have been helping people install and use Linux for many years and one of the biggest single annoyances is changing menus and locations of programs on people. As more and more people and businesses begin to use Ubuntu, they want/need to see some stability. This comment, gnome-system-monitor: these are not likely to be used by the base user, is just plain wrong if for example, in a business setting, the users have been taught to use gsm only to find it suddenly disappear from their menu. Please, please consider that these changes affect many, many people. This is a plea for more long term thinking in where the menu and preference settings are located. The best example lately is and I suppose it was a technical reason and so maybe not avoidable because of gvfs is: moving the Removable drives and Media from the preferences. That was really a horrible move. There aren't even drives in the menu any more and yet it still says Drives. IMHO it would have been better to leave the Tab there with a note on it informing the user where the preferences had been moved to. I mean at least give them a clue, right? Anyway thanks for listening to the rant. Cheers -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Unneeded System Tools menu
Sebastien Bacher wrote: We will likely move some other things back there if we continue to use the category. The comments there are interesting though. Why do you think it's an issue? Do you find confusing to have the category unmasked and containing only one item if you install vmware for example? This would be less of a problem for me, since as Timo said, users that install such programs are likely not to be afraid by system stuff. Mackenzie Morgan wrote: I think the confusion is in the naming. We have a System menu and a System... submenu now. The suggestion that it be renamed to simply Tools makes sense to me. The expression System is not the only, nor the main problem: adding a submenu when you only have 7 of them is a major change in Applications. For now, this menu is very nice and only contains productive apps, not tools. In a day-to-day use, users won't need this system tools, however you may name them - I like the idea of separating clearly these categories of programs. And Tools already exists, if you don't go this way: it's called Accessories. If you agree we should do something, here is short list of options: - the easiest may be to move g-s-m to Accessories and hwtest to Administration - another more complex approach could be to create a submenu in Administration called System Tools or something like that, so it would not annoy us when we want to work and not administrate the system. This would work on a long-term outlook, since we can completely remove the System Tools menu from Applications. [- Almost out of topic: we could hide hwtest-gtk and instead use gnome-device-manager with a button to start hwtest, like we used to do. This tool would be useful (no way of getting hardware infos ATM) and could go to Administration.] The constant moving of items between the menus is IMHO the result of the fact that we don't really know what do to with them: no perfect scheme has been found so far. Hope we may find the right one. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: gnome-panel and Fitt's law?
Le lundi 31 mars 2008 à 10:32 -0700, Dylan McCall a écrit : My panel is at the top of the screen. Perhaps this changes weirdly depending on orientation? Mine is a the top too. I am using Metacity, with compositing turned on. Possibly a Compiz issue? This has always been a compiz issue. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Does metacity compositor use acceleration?
I'm curious on how do you cut on compositing in metacity. Would love to use it. Would much rather use it then Compiz. On Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 8:31 AM, Andreas Schildbach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: chombee wrote: Does the compositor that you can enable in metacity in hardy use 3D acceleration? Yes, it does. I like it better than compiz (the alt-tab isn't broken for one thing) but it seems slow. Actually, on my i915GMS Metacity compositing is much faster than Compiz. And a lot less buggy. Maybe Normal visual effects (Appearance Preferences) should use Metacity rather than Compiz? Regards, Andreas -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Does metacity compositor use acceleration?
Jerone Young wrote: I'm curious on how do you cut on compositing in metacity. Would love to use it. Would much rather use it then Compiz. From http://library.gnome.org/misc/release-notes/2.22/ gconftool-2 -s --type bool /apps/metacity/general/compositing_manager true Be aware that Not all graphics hardware reliably supports compositing, so this feature is currently turned off by default and not yet exposed in the preferences Cheers, Emilio signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Does metacity compositor use acceleration?
On Mon, 2008-03-31 at 16:13 -0500, Jerone Young wrote: I'm curious on how do you cut on compositing in metacity. Would love to use it. Would much rather use it then Compiz. To turn on compositing, use Alt-F2 to launch gconf-editor (or run it from a terminal), find metacity under apps and in metacity's general options check compositing_manager. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Does metacity compositor use acceleration?
On Mon, 2008-03-31 at 20:57 +0100, chombee wrote: I want to use the metacity compositor but I'm finding that it's much slower than with no compositor or with compiz. Something's up. I'm using an Nvidia Quadro4 900 XGL, and have the nvidia driver enabled via the ... Does that mean that you are using Xgl? You probably don't want to be - nvidia's 2d acceleration isn't so terrible that you need to put an extra layer in there to use the 3d engine to do 2d. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Tux Paint on Gutsy
On 31/03/2008, Michael Petit [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Caroline, I am trying to install the package through the Add/Remove Applicaitons interface from the standard build of 7.10 Ubuntu. The version of Tux Paint that I am selecting is not stated in the GUI. The GUI states Tux Paint cannot be installed on your computer type (i386). Either the application requires special hardware features or the vendor decided to not support your computer type. As I staed, it works on one of my PCs through VMWare, but not the second identical PC loaded as the base OS. Can you try going to System/Administration/Synaptic Package Manager and searching for tuxpaint. It should (hopefully) install fine from there. Please let me know what happens. Caroline -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
