RE: Configuring X with multiple drivers available
De: Przemyslaw Kulczycki Enviado el: vie 25/04/2008 14:22 Para: ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Asunto: Configuring X with multiple drivers available Ok, I've checked again and now I see in the menu editor that there is the old Screens Graphics tool, but it's not shown by default. The new tool should have an option to choose a driver manually, if there is more than one driver available, or at least it should have a button to run the old tool. Good idea. It would default a generic driver and the user could choose other drivers also. Regards -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Printing does not work in 8.04
On Sun, 2008-04-27 at 09:44 -0600, Conrad Knauer wrote: FWIW, I just tested my Samsung ML-2510 and had no problems whatsoever; it 'just worked' when I switched it on. Also, http://localhost:631 seems to work just fine. This works fine for me too now. Maybe a reboot fixed the problem, maybe my manual installation of libpam-smbpass. Thomas: out of curiosity, what make/model printer are you using that gave that error? EPSON EPL-5900. Thomas, Milosz: could you both test with a Hardy Live CD and see if its repeatable there? No, not repeatable on the Live CD. There my printer was automatically installed and when I tried to print a test page it immediately printed it. Rgds -- Thomas Novin [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG key: http://xyz.pp.se/~thnov/gpg.asc Cell: +46 730 665423 -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Unable to modify week in gnome clock 2.12.1.2
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi! I've set my location to be Helsinki Finland, I've tried to set that locale wherever possible. I've been unable to modify the calendar in the clock applet to show the week beginning on monday, it always starts with sunday. This is the norm in America. Cheers, Matthias Andersson -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQEVAwUBSBWXDjF8u+ZDBCZ5AQImWAf/YFnxbqLa323h3RmS3ilxssM9XE1wd3Pa gDvUpotOZgUvZWvGCpvysSgSoZD9amCjUKHVX4Z/T0lgH6poI/dYvL/7TT8EIEDW 1gckXwTt9UKYBkrPmgUFpEwF+zpLbV0cYWP8WiIF2WjA/MeQLj9yOT4baSiD2Kxp Eq+H2wQjCo3Z22XEe932rHWTT215tobiRlaX51rClxd7k+/ZyWqDF0lO+FhnjKwb 6+7RVQFi5oNxXelAzxF4mh+Z8MV7S12/lukXO/nQyPxlKCjm5xs4RhhOW6P2dqjw ZV9KLH2aKU8GgUrd3jGiIPnymG9piCj5LKWPi5U3aZo2DVAoMXRTdw== =InaS -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Unable to modify week in gnome clock 2.12.1.2
On Mon, 2008-04-28 at 12:21 +0300, Matthias Andersson wrote: I've set my location to be Helsinki Finland, I've tried to set that locale wherever possible. Before you login to the desktop, have you switched your locale there? I live in Sweden but I'm using en_DK.UTF-8 which works fine. I have also added a correct location in Clock Preferences Locations. Rgds -- Thomas Novin [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG key: http://xyz.pp.se/~thnov/gpg.asc Cell: +46 730 665423 -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Unable to modify week in gnome clock 2.12.1.2
Hey, Works for me. :-) Though I have never changed my locale, I already installed in German. Clock applet shows Monday as beginning of week. You should file a bug report [1]. You might also want to check out LP #36230 [2]. Bye, Sebastian. [1] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug [2] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/langpack-locales/+bug/36230 Am Montag, den 28.04.2008, 12:21 +0300 schrieb Matthias Andersson: Hi! I've set my location to be Helsinki Finland, I've tried to set that locale wherever possible. I've been unable to modify the calendar in the clock applet to show the week beginning on monday, it always starts with sunday. This is the norm in America. signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
update and upgrade source
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Pulseaudio/Jack in Ubuntu Hardy
Hi! I had a problem with ardour/jack/pulseaudio in Ubuntu Hardy and I was told to take it to the mailing list. I cc'd parties that may be interested. Please ignore this mail if you are not. The related bugs in Launchpad are: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ardour/+bug/220576 https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/214256 The problem is that ardour as installed by aptitude install ardour doesn't work. Recording is possible but playback doesn't work. I was able to resolve the issue by manually starting jack with jackd -d alsa. My only concern is a working ardour after installing. For me it is extremely annoying to have manually fiddling with jackd. I also do not care about latency or similar stuff. I also imagine a new user (read composer/musician) to linux who immediately returns to windows after playback in ardour doesn't work. Also it is not possible to use for example mplayer and ardour at the same time. I was told that configuration of jack is a non-trivial thing to do because a professional user normally has a second sound card and jack has to be configured to use that (professional) equipment. My opinion is that it should be possible to provide a _default_ configuration where jackd connects to pulseaudio (this is what module-jack-source is for, right?). Let me repeat my two concerns: 1. Ardour in Ubuntu Hardy doesn't work out of the box 2. It is not possible to use mplayer and ardour at the same time I believe it is possible manually fix this up but I have still the opinion that it should be possible to provide a simple default configuration. So please convince me that I'm wrong (and it isn't possible to have a working ardour on a notebook) or tell me how this can be resolved. You put so much hard work into ardour/jack/pulseaudio that it should not fail because of a small configuration mistake. Thanks for your work/ideas/help, Gonz -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Printing does not work in 8.04
Yes same for me, on the Live CD the printer was basically immediately usable. I've been running this system as Gutsy before, and updated to Hardy in a very early phase (4 Months before the release i think), could some gradual updates caused a misconfiguration of the system? If yes, what in particular could i check for? (I've already tried uninstalling everything cups, manually deleting all directories belonging to it and then reinstalling, to no avail.) 2008/4/28 Thomas Novin [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sun, 2008-04-27 at 09:44 -0600, Conrad Knauer wrote: FWIW, I just tested my Samsung ML-2510 and had no problems whatsoever; it 'just worked' when I switched it on. Also, http://localhost:631 seems to work just fine. This works fine for me too now. Maybe a reboot fixed the problem, maybe my manual installation of libpam-smbpass. Thomas: out of curiosity, what make/model printer are you using that gave that error? EPSON EPL-5900. Thomas, Milosz: could you both test with a Hardy Live CD and see if its repeatable there? No, not repeatable on the Live CD. There my printer was automatically installed and when I tried to print a test page it immediately printed it. Rgds -- Thomas Novin [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG key: http://xyz.pp.se/~thnov/gpg.aschttp://xyz.pp.se/%7Ethnov/gpg.asc Cell: +46 730 665423 -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: merging keyboard keyboard shortcuts capplets
On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 7:08 PM, Milan Bouchet-Valat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think it is reasonable to fork upstream GNOME since this will lead to quite a few problems when they change their applets. Imagine for example they create a Mouse gestures tab in the Shortcuts applet. Where will it go in Ubuntu? True, but 1) As far as I know, there will be no mouse gestures coming any time soon 2) Even if it does, I don't see any clear consensus that it would go into the Shortcuts applet anyway, since it could alternatively be put into the mouse applet 3) And even then, this patch could just be reverted and everything goes back to how it is in upstream But maybe you can propose them to help merging applets that they'd like to see merged. Bluetooth preferences could go to Removable devices for example, and I'm sure there are plenty of ideas in that way. Honestly I'm not convinced that making any other proposals is worth the effort. Merging keyboard keyboard shortcuts seems to me like the most obvious and straightforward merge there is. Given that I actually have a working patch for that and I am offering to finish the patch, and there is *still* very limited upstream interest, I very highly doubt that there would be any significant interest in any other proposed merges. Hope this helps - anyway IMHO your goal is right (TM) Cheers :) -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Pulseaudio/Jack in Ubuntu Hardy
Le vendredi 25 avril 2008 à 19:45 +0200, Gonz Hauser a écrit : My opinion is that it should be possible to provide a _default_ configuration where jackd connects to pulseaudio (this is what module-jack-source is for, right?). Let me repeat my two concerns: 1. Ardour in Ubuntu Hardy doesn't work out of the box 2. It is not possible to use mplayer and ardour at the same time I believe it is possible manually fix this up but I have still the opinion that it should be possible to provide a simple default configuration. So please convince me that I'm wrong (and it isn't possible to have a working ardour on a notebook) or tell me how this can be resolved. You put so much hard work into ardour/jack/pulseaudio that it should not fail because of a small configuration mistake. Thanks for your work/ideas/help, I've been through both bugs and to me, as an occasional jack user, it seems that the best would be that jackd defaults to the pulseaudio output. Users that have better hardware and do more advanced stuff are able to tweak what they need. The current situation is bad for everybody: noobs have to configure jackd, but advanced users configure it anyway. What I don't understand is: - whether the -n 3 option would work for every standard card or if some absolutely require -n 2 - whether going though pulseaudio is really an issue concerning performance (I mean, only for base users) Since ardour requires jackd, the latter should configure itself automatically so that ardour can start it flawlessly. But maybe this is a little trickier that it seems - at least this was why pulseaudio was introduced in Hardy. Cheers -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Pulseaudio/Jack in Ubuntu Hardy
Milan Bouchet-Valat wrote: Le vendredi 25 avril 2008 à 19:45 +0200, Gonz Hauser a écrit : My opinion is that it should be possible to provide a _default_ configuration where jackd connects to pulseaudio (this is what module-jack-source is for, right?). Let me repeat my two concerns: 1. Ardour in Ubuntu Hardy doesn't work out of the box 2. It is not possible to use mplayer and ardour at the same time I believe it is possible manually fix this up but I have still the opinion that it should be possible to provide a simple default configuration. So please convince me that I'm wrong (and it isn't possible to have a working ardour on a notebook) or tell me how this can be resolved. You put so much hard work into ardour/jack/pulseaudio that it should not fail because of a small configuration mistake. Thanks for your work/ideas/help, I've been through both bugs and to me, as an occasional jack user, it seems that the best would be that jackd defaults to the pulseaudio output. Users that have better hardware and do more advanced stuff are able to tweak what they need. This could be done if JACK were in main. Then the needed module could be built. But it should *not* be the default behavior because it introduces a added layer of latency that also impacts the user experience in a negative way. ie: performance. The current situation is bad for everybody: noobs have to configure jackd, but advanced users configure it anyway. What I don't understand is: - whether the -n 3 option would work for every standard card or if some absolutely require -n 2 - whether going though pulseaudio is really an issue concerning performance (I mean, only for base users) Since ardour requires jackd, the latter should configure itself automatically so that ardour can start it flawlessly. But maybe this is a little trickier that it seems - at least this was why pulseaudio was introduced in Hardy. Cheers It is trickier than it seems. There is no best solution for everyone. This (to me) is simply one of those situations where the user has to figure out what they are doing. PulseAudio or JACK should be used separately by default IMO. I'm not saying don't make the tools available, but making JACK work through PulseAudio by default is bad. I'll consult upstream to see what their opinion is. -Cory \m/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Printing does not work in 8.04
On Mon, 2008-04-28 at 16:30 +0200, Milosz Derezynski wrote: I've been running this system as Gutsy before, and updated to Hardy in a very early phase (4 Months before the release i think), could some gradual updates caused a misconfiguration of the system? If yes, what in particular could i check for? (I've already tried uninstalling everything cups, manually deleting all directories belonging to it and then reinstalling, to no avail.) Same here. I have also tried reinstalling all packages and removing all directories/config files. I plugged in my printer to another computer, also upgraded from Gutsy to Hardy and got the same problem there. -- Thomas Novin [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG key: http://xyz.pp.se/~thnov/gpg.asc Cell: +46 730 665423 -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: update and upgrade source
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Compiz default Application Switcher (Alt+Tab) is difficult to use
I originally filed this as a big report, which I thought was the right thing to do, but it got rejected as not a bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/220227 Binary package hint: compiz The default Alt+Tab switcher (Application Switcher) in Ubuntu/compiz is badly designed from a usability point of view, and differs from the alt-tab in metacity. Since the application switcher is a default feature and fundamental feature of the desktop, I think this issue is important. In metacity: when you alt+tab, previews of all windows are shown at once, if necessary organised into multiple rows and shrunk to fit them all on screen. The window previews stay in a fixed position, and as you press Tab the highlight moves from one to the next. Because the windows stay still and the selection moves it is easy to spot the window you are moving to and to judge how far you are from it, and know when you have arrived at it. Also, you immediately understand how many windows there are, can quickly see how many windows of a given application there are, and can easily see when your selection has moved past the last window and back to the first. Basically, it works very well and should be taken as an example of the correct behaviour. In compiz: 1. A fixed maximum number of window previews appear on screen at once, regardless of how many windows there are. This makes it impossible to see how many windows you have open, or how many windows of a given app, without cycling through them all and counting. And it means you don't easily know when you have cycled back to the first window, you have to recognise it when it comes around again. 2. The selection stays still, while the windows move. This makes it difficult to find the window you want with your eyes, because they are moving. It promotes a slow mode of use where you press tab, wait for the next window preview to focus, look at it and decide what it is, then either release alt or press tab again. (As opposed to just finding the window you want with your eyes because they are all on screen, then quickly pressing tab the right number of times to move the selection to it.) In both aspects compiz should be changed to match metacity. Another problem with Alt-Tab in compiz is caused by the highlighting of the selected window. If the user is quickly alt-tabbing back and forth between two windows it causes the screen to flash disturbingly, especially if one of the two windows is maximised. Alt-Tab has two use cases: 1. The user is searching for a window to switch to. In this case the window previews and window highlighting are useful. 2. The user knows which window is the previous one, and just wants to switch to that by pressing Alt+Tab once, for example when switching repeatedly between two windows by just pressing alt+tab quickly. In this case the window previews and highlights serve no purpose. There should be a brief delay before drawing the window previews and highlights. If alt is still held after half a second, say, they will be drawn. This would allow very quick switching to the previous window without the screen flashing. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Compiz default Application Switcher (Alt+Tab) is difficult to use
On Tue, 2008-04-29 at 00:20 +0100, chombee wrote: snip I took the liberty of assuming you meant to reply to the list and not just me. I would like to find out what if anything is happening among the compiz people about this issue and speak to them about, but I can't find out how. Their website is quite confusing (for one thing I don't know if I want compiz.org or compiz-fusion.org). I gave up easily, I'll try again. snip So I discovered that both compiz.org and compiz-fusion.org point to the forums at http://forum.compiz-fusion.org/. I couldn't find any mailing list or bug tracker. A search of the forum for application switcher finds that various people have complained about both of the issues with the application switcher in various threads, but it doesn't look like anything is being done about it. Ubuntu has been shipping with this (in my opinion) major usability regression for I believe a year now? And it's not the only one, the Show Desktop button is pretty bust in compiz too. I worry that there is no developer momentum to get these kind of usability issues in compiz fixed. I'm not sure there was anything useful I could do. Perhaps I could have started another thread, summed up the issues and how they should be fixed, and linked to all the other threads, my closed bug report, and this thread, but I would only have been repeating what has already been said. I'd like to point out that metacity's new compositor has a correct implementation of alt-tab with window previews. In general compiz has many bugs and usability regressions compared to metacity, but in my testing metacity's compositor is not as fast as compiz. Hopefully it will catch up and could potentially replace compiz, but I fear compiz is already too entrenched, it seems to be very popular. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Compiz default Application Switcher (Alt+Tab) is difficult to use
On Mon, 2008-04-28 at 23:55 +0100, chombee wrote: I originally filed this as a big report, which I thought was the right thing to do, but it got rejected as not a bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/220227 Binary package hint: compiz The default Alt+Tab switcher (Application Switcher) in Ubuntu/compiz is badly designed from a usability point of view, and differs from the alt-tab in metacity. Since the application switcher is a default feature and fundamental feature of the desktop, I think this issue is important. +1 . i've disabled compiz primarily because of this issue. In metacity: when you alt+tab, previews of all windows are shown at once, if necessary organised into multiple rows and shrunk to fit them all on screen. The window previews stay in a fixed position, and as you press Tab the highlight moves from one to the next. Because the windows stay still and the selection moves it is easy to spot the window you are moving to and to judge how far you are from it, and know when you have arrived at it. Also, you immediately understand how many windows there are, can quickly see how many windows of a given application there are, and can easily see when your selection has moved past the last window and back to the first. Basically, it works very well and should be taken as an example of the correct behaviour. In compiz: 1. A fixed maximum number of window previews appear on screen at once, regardless of how many windows there are. This makes it impossible to see how many windows you have open, or how many windows of a given app, without cycling through them all and counting. And it means you don't easily know when you have cycled back to the first window, you have to recognise it when it comes around again. 2. The selection stays still, while the windows move. This makes it difficult to find the window you want with your eyes, because they are moving. It promotes a slow mode of use where you press tab, wait for the next window preview to focus, look at it and decide what it is, then either release alt or press tab again. (As opposed to just finding the window you want with your eyes because they are all on screen, then quickly pressing tab the right number of times to move the selection to it.) In both aspects compiz should be changed to match metacity. Another problem with Alt-Tab in compiz is caused by the highlighting of the selected window. If the user is quickly alt-tabbing back and forth between two windows it causes the screen to flash disturbingly, especially if one of the two windows is maximised. Alt-Tab has two use cases: 1. The user is searching for a window to switch to. In this case the window previews and window highlighting are useful. 2. The user knows which window is the previous one, and just wants to switch to that by pressing Alt+Tab once, for example when switching repeatedly between two windows by just pressing alt+tab quickly. In this case the window previews and highlights serve no purpose. There should be a brief delay before drawing the window previews and highlights. If alt is still held after half a second, say, they will be drawn. This would allow very quick switching to the previous window without the screen flashing. just want to say i agree with this fundamentally. just a user talking here, though. matt -- Matt Price [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Pulseaudio/Jack in Ubuntu Hardy
On Mon, 2008-04-28 at 20:09 +0200, Milan Bouchet-Valat wrote: Le lundi 28 avril 2008 à 12:25 -0400, Cory K. a écrit : Milan Bouchet-Valat wrote: I've been through both bugs and to me, as an occasional jack user, it seems that the best would be that jackd defaults to the pulseaudio output. Users that have better hardware and do more advanced stuff are able to tweak what they need. This could be done if JACK were in main. Then the needed module could be built. What module and why does it need to be in main? But it should *not* be the default behavior because it introduces a added layer of latency that also impacts the user experience in a negative way. ie: performance. My point was: is performance really an issue for base users that don't know how to configure jackd anyway? If we leave it not working out-of-the-box at all, this is worse for everybody than getting bad performances. If you don't need a high-quality sound in perfect realtime and don't use many tracks/instruments/sources at the same time, the problem may not appear at all. And if so, you are likely to accept tweaking things a little further (using a GUI?). just $.02 -- there are users who want to use ardour but don't need zero-latency performance. for instance, i produce small radio documentaries and ould like to do this using free software; ardour is the obvious choice, but i won't be recording on my computer -- i have a handheld device i use for all recording, and then upload the resultant mp3 files onto my computer for editing. It is trickier than it seems. There is no best solution for everyone. This (to me) is simply one of those situations where the user has to figure out what they are doing. I think Ubuntu's philosophy is make it work anyway for every standard user needs. That may not be possible in the state of the software but if there's a way to reduce the unexpected issues, it should be chosen. Further configuration should always be leaved to more special cases. PulseAudio or JACK should be used separately by default IMO. I'm not saying don't make the tools available, but making JACK work through PulseAudio by default is bad. Think of somebody that uses Rosegarden/Ardour/etc. once in a month and uses its computer for everyday work: he needs PulseAudio because running JACK all the time would be a waste. This case should be handled. i think my use case applies here as well. most of the time i'm listening to mp3's; sometimes i do audio work, in which case i want ardour to run unproblematically without uninstalling pulseaudio or whatever. I know Ubuntu Studio aims at a professional system, not at a basic usage suiting set of applications. But since it is also Ubuntu, I guess it should find a compromise. I'll consult upstream to see what their opinion is. Good - they have too find a solution for this kind of case too. And thanks for your work! ditto on the thanks! matt -- Matt Price [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Compiz default Application Switcher (Alt+Tab) is difficult to use
And at this point seems to have more community support, and a faster development cycle. Thanks, Justin M. Wray Sent via BlackBerry by ATT -Original Message- From: chombee [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 00:38:48 To:ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Re: Compiz default Application Switcher (Alt+Tab) is difficult to use On Tue, 2008-04-29 at 00:20 +0100, chombee wrote: snip I took the liberty of assuming you meant to reply to the list and not just me. I would like to find out what if anything is happening among the compiz people about this issue and speak to them about, but I can't find out how. Their website is quite confusing (for one thing I don't know if I want compiz.org or compiz-fusion.org). I gave up easily, I'll try again. snip So I discovered that both compiz.org and compiz-fusion.org point to the forums at http://forum.compiz-fusion.org/. I couldn't find any mailing list or bug tracker. A search of the forum for application switcher finds that various people have complained about both of the issues with the application switcher in various threads, but it doesn't look like anything is being done about it. Ubuntu has been shipping with this (in my opinion) major usability regression for I believe a year now? And it's not the only one, the Show Desktop button is pretty bust in compiz too. I worry that there is no developer momentum to get these kind of usability issues in compiz fixed. I'm not sure there was anything useful I could do. Perhaps I could have started another thread, summed up the issues and how they should be fixed, and linked to all the other threads, my closed bug report, and this thread, but I would only have been repeating what has already been said. I'd like to point out that metacity's new compositor has a correct implementation of alt-tab with window previews. In general compiz has many bugs and usability regressions compared to metacity, but in my testing metacity's compositor is not as fast as compiz. Hopefully it will catch up and could potentially replace compiz, but I fear compiz is already too entrenched, it seems to be very popular. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Compiz default Application Switcher (Alt+Tab) is difficult to use
I agree, but it should be no big problem to write a new one. It should be pretty cleat to see looking from the outside that a small window sliding the windows through with at best 3 of them visible at a given time is not a very usable window switcher when you have more than 2 or 3 windows opened (appealing to compiz developers now :) 2008/4/29 Justin M. Wray [EMAIL PROTECTED]: And at this point seems to have more community support, and a faster development cycle. Thanks, Justin M. Wray Sent via BlackBerry by ATT -Original Message- From: chombee [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 00:38:48 To:ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Compiz default Application Switcher (Alt+Tab) is difficult to use On Tue, 2008-04-29 at 00:20 +0100, chombee wrote: snip I took the liberty of assuming you meant to reply to the list and not just me. I would like to find out what if anything is happening among the compiz people about this issue and speak to them about, but I can't find out how. Their website is quite confusing (for one thing I don't know if I want compiz.org or compiz-fusion.org). I gave up easily, I'll try again. snip So I discovered that both compiz.org and compiz-fusion.org point to the forums at http://forum.compiz-fusion.org/. I couldn't find any mailing list or bug tracker. A search of the forum for application switcher finds that various people have complained about both of the issues with the application switcher in various threads, but it doesn't look like anything is being done about it. Ubuntu has been shipping with this (in my opinion) major usability regression for I believe a year now? And it's not the only one, the Show Desktop button is pretty bust in compiz too. I worry that there is no developer momentum to get these kind of usability issues in compiz fixed. I'm not sure there was anything useful I could do. Perhaps I could have started another thread, summed up the issues and how they should be fixed, and linked to all the other threads, my closed bug report, and this thread, but I would only have been repeating what has already been said. I'd like to point out that metacity's new compositor has a correct implementation of alt-tab with window previews. In general compiz has many bugs and usability regressions compared to metacity, but in my testing metacity's compositor is not as fast as compiz. Hopefully it will catch up and could potentially replace compiz, but I fear compiz is already too entrenched, it seems to be very popular. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
