RFC - RHythmbox enhancement being discussed

[Alex Cockell]

Hi folks, 

Umm - I'm pretty new to using media players on phones etc- but have
recently upgraded to a Nokia N900.  Will the solution you describe allow
me to just tell the app it's an N900 and the app would present sensible
defaults to me?

Truth be told, I haven't ripped much from CD, and am more likely to buy
music from We7 instead.

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Re: [RFC] MP3 player management via Rhythmbox etc.

[Christopher James Halse Rogers]

On Thu, 2010-04-29 at 14:37 -0400, John Moser wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 2:31 PM, Brandon Holtsclaw
>  wrote:
> >> I use Rhythmbox.  I don't care about Amarok, or whatever.  This will
> >> be framed for Rhythmbox; as for Kubuntu and whatever else, just cry
> >> "Feature Parity" until someone duplicates work solving the same
> >> problem again.
> >
> > No need. In this case, Amarok since 1.4-ish has handled media players
> > both generic and branded ones ( even media cards ) in this way, I think
> > this will be one of those rare cases where the shoes of feature parity
> > are reversed :)
> >

This has also been (mostly) supported in Rhythmbox[1] & Banshee for
quite some time, via the .is_(audio|media)_player file.  I'd guess that
Amarok is also reading these files?  I'm more familiar with Banshee than
Rhythmbox, but I'm fairly sure both will detect removable storage with
an .is_(audio|media)_player file as a generic DAP, and support the “drag
a playlist to the DAP” workflow you're after.

There's currently no tool I know of to generate the .is_(audio|
media)_player file, but I believe this would be a pretty simple Nautilus
extension to write.

The more advanced parts of your proposed interface - transcode when
space is tight, multiple policies for transcoding, etc, would need to be
implemented, but the basics should work right now.


[1] live.gnome.org/Rhythmbox/FAQ


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Small correction to avahi section of 10.04 release notes

[Tom H]

http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/1004
and
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidLynx/ReleaseNotes

$ diff -su wrong right
--- wrong   2010-04-29 14:47:14.200010874 -0400
+++ right   2010-04-29 14:46:42.727997369 -0400
@@ -1,8 +1,10 @@
 Avahi will always start even if a .local domain is present

-The avahi-daemon package, which implements the mDNS "zeroconf"
standard, formerly included a check to avoid running when a
conflicting .local DNS domain is present, as it was reported that some
ISPs advertise such a .local domain on their networks, leaving Ubuntu
hosts unable to see names advertised on the local network (327362). In
Ubuntu 9.10, avahi-daemon is started regardless.
+The avahi-daemon package, which implements the mDNS "zeroconf"
standard, formerly included a check to avoid running when a
conflicting .local DNS domain is present, as it was reported that some
ISPs advertise such a .local domain on their networks, leaving Ubuntu
hosts unable to see names advertised on the local network (327362). In
Ubuntu 10.04, avahi-daemon is started regardless.

 It is possible that this may cause other problems. If your network is
configured this way, you can disable mDNS using the following command:

 sudo stop avahi-daemon
 sudo sed -e '/^start/,+1s/^/#/' /etc/init/avahi-daemon.conf
+
+(This change was made in Ubuntu 9.10.)

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Re: [RFC] MP3 player management via Rhythmbox etc.

[John Moser]

On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 2:31 PM, Brandon Holtsclaw
 wrote:
>> I use Rhythmbox.  I don't care about Amarok, or whatever.  This will
>> be framed for Rhythmbox; as for Kubuntu and whatever else, just cry
>> "Feature Parity" until someone duplicates work solving the same
>> problem again.
>
> No need. In this case, Amarok since 1.4-ish has handled media players
> both generic and branded ones ( even media cards ) in this way, I think
> this will be one of those rare cases where the shoes of feature parity
> are reversed :)
>

Interesting.  So Amarok will automatically sync based on playlists
assigned to devices; automatically transcode to whatever formats I set
per device; and automatically perform space-savings measures if it
finds that i.e. the device supports FLAC but it's now full and there's
plenty of FLAC files on there that could be encoded to Vorbis or MP3?

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Re: [RFC] MP3 player management via Rhythmbox etc.

[Brandon Holtsclaw]

> I use Rhythmbox.  I don't care about Amarok, or whatever.  This will
> be framed for Rhythmbox; as for Kubuntu and whatever else, just cry
> "Feature Parity" until someone duplicates work solving the same
> problem again.

No need. In this case, Amarok since 1.4-ish has handled media players
both generic and branded ones ( even media cards ) in this way, I think
this will be one of those rare cases where the shoes of feature parity
are reversed :)

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[RFC] MP3 player management via Rhythmbox etc.

[John Moser]

This will come fast and rough; it's a rough idea, not a specification
or even a full proposal.  This is definitely NOT a design document.

I use Rhythmbox.  I don't care about Amarok, or whatever.  This will
be framed for Rhythmbox; as for Kubuntu and whatever else, just cry
"Feature Parity" until someone duplicates work solving the same
problem again.

That out of the way...

I just bought myself an Android phone.  Previously I used an Apple
iPod.  Prior to that, I used the same Apple iPod with Rockbox.

All of these function as portable media players.  Every single one can
be plugged into my machine and show itself as a USB mass storage
device.  In the case of the Apple iPod, it's managed by a specialized
file structure that's handled by libraries from gtkpod; the other two
(Rockbox and Android) just scan the media for music files and
playlists.

I believe that all such devices should operate with a similar
management interface tied right into the user's media library-- that
is, the music player on their desktop, if sufficiently complex to
include a LIBRARY function and multiple managed playlists, should also
manage their external media devices.  Justification for this will
become extremely clear in the course of this e-mail, so just take this
as assumption for the moment.

The obvious first issue would be the lack of media management for
Rockbox- or Android-based devices and other "put MP3 here and I'll
find it" style media players.  This is also the most trivial:  the
media player sees external media (flash card, media reader i.e.
Motorola 2GB, etc) and allows you to suggest this device may be a
music player.  Perhaps it also would let you tell it, "Oh, this thing
only checks /Music for MP3s," if that is relevant; in fact that is
likely an important feature, and storing this configuration (as a file
/.portable-media-settings on the device or otherwise) would be an
important usability consideration.

The second issue is a matter of transcoding.  If I drag a bunch of
files from Rhythmbox to Brassero and tell it to make an audio CD, it
converts FLAC, Vorbis, and MP3 to CDDA for me.  No such mechanism
exists for burning MP3 CDs for a car CD player (from FLAC, Vorbis,
etc); gtkpod will indeed transcode for iPods.  This sort of feature
needs to be addressed for managed media players; it also needs to be
individually configurable, such that I can set i.e. Android based
device to use MP3, AAC, or Ogg Vorbis, while a Rockbox device might
additionally support FLAC.



These are basic features; they're easy to decide and discuss, plop
into configuration boxes, and implement.  The complexities come when
we begin to discuss how exactly to expose things to the user.   We
also have to decide how to transcode what; if a device supports FLAC,
perhaps we don't want to NEVER transcode a FLAC to an MP3, for
example, but also not ALWAYS transcode FLAC to MP3 because that would
defeat the purpose (the user may as well just configure the device as
not supporting FLAC).  We have to decide how the user is to get their
music onto the device-- the user's library may be 30 gigs, and the
device may be 8 gigs.  We have to decide how to handle playlists as
well.

I have a rough concept of all of these things, fortunately.  Something
palpable can be shaped from this.




Let's work on this from a top-down approach, describing the interface
before describing technical behaviors.

===
Device Configuration
===

Sufficient to say, if an individual device is an iPod or Roxio or
something that we have indiviual code in place to manage, that code
should recognize the device already.

In the case of inserting an SD card that will go into an Android phone
(or such other raw media devices), the UI should allow you to somehow
indicate to it that this is indeed a media device which just needs
media dropped into it; I have no intention of discussing how to allow
SD cards and USB flash drives (car stereos!) to be treated as MP3
player media if the user so wills it, as this raises issues of
interface clutter versus burying useful interfaces somewhere out of
sight.

If the device (or raw memory card) is a raw device as above AND it has
a file on it holding configuration from this initial setup process,
then it should be automatically recognized in the same way that an
iPod would be.


As for configuration itself, each device should have a configuration
dialog.  In this dialog, the user should be able to confugure where
the device stores music (default:  "/Music"; if this matters, the user
must be able to change it).  The user should also be able to configure
preferred custom formats, including format and settings; as well as
their order.

Configuration of the formats would be such that lossless formats are
automatically preferred above lossy formats; uncompressed lossless
formats are preferred above compressed lossless formats (i.e. Wav
preferred above FLAC); and no backwards transcoding will ever occurr
(i.e. we won't decode

Re: Missing OGRE plugin in libOgreMain-1.6.1 package

[Brian Murray]

On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 11:49:01PM +0300, Hagai Hadad wrote:
> Hi,
> I've installed OGRE via synaptic and I found that it is missing a plugin.
> In the file "plugins.cfg" (/etc/OGRE/plugins.cfg) there is this line:
> Plugin=Plugin_EXRCodec.so
> but "Plugin_EXRCodec.so" is not installed.

It'd be best if you were to report this as a bug in Launchpad using the
command 'ubuntu-bug ogre'.  In the event that you don't decide to use
ubuntu-bug and file a report manually in Launchpad it'd be helpful if
you were to include information about the specific package version and
release of Ubuntu you are using.
 
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Re: ffmpeg no xvid support

[Christopher Lees]

On Thu, 2010-04-29 at 12:00 +0100, Andres Goldbohm wrote:

> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2010 14:00:11 +0200
> From: Andres Goldbohm 
> Subject: ffmpeg no xvid support
> To: ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com
> Message-ID: <4bcaf44b.1020...@o2online.de>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed
> 
> when i start videoporama come this text.
> 
> The ffmpeg package installed don't include libxvid and isn't able to 
> encode in Xvid (avi). This format will be disable in the user interface.

Have you got the libav*-extra packages installed? There should be:

libavcodec-extra-52
libavfilter-extra-0
libavdevice-extra-52
libavformat-extra-52
libavutil-extra-49

When they are installed you will be able to encode and decode restricted
formats in FFMPEG.

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Blacklight Maintainer


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Re: something about install g++－4.3

[Manish Sinha]

Long back I had written a tutorial for this
http://ubuntu-in.info/wiki/Installing_Softwares_without_Internet_Connection_using_APTonCD

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Re: something about install g++－4.3

[Dmitrijs Ledkovs]

$ sudo dpkg -i $g++-4.3.deb $libstdc++6-4.3.deb

should do it =)

also see apt-on-cd package.

2010/4/16 xiaohuhu :
> hello！
>          There are somethings trouble me when I download G++.deb to install
> g++ .
> when i  install  g++-4.3.deb which is  download from the packages.ubuntu.com
> ,  it
> tell me that need to install libstdc++6-4.3.dev first.  So i download it ,
> but it require
>  g++-4.3 installed.  It get into a  bad  loop.  If i use the apt-get , It
> will ok, but i need to
> download  debs to install  another computer without network.
>         How can i make it through!
>        best wishes!
>        Thank  you!
>
>
>
> xiaohuhu
> safar...@gmail.com
>
>
>
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Re: i915 - kms - lucid - dri(?) problem

[Christopher James Halse Rogers]

It's highly likely that you're seeing bug 541511[1] or one of it's many
duplicates.  There's a kernel patch that *probably* fixes this getting
close to being applied upstream, so the hope is that we can fix this in
an SRU.

 [1]
https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/541511


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10.04rc: the bottom of installer window is cutting the messages

[Jérôme Bouat]

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Missing OGRE plugin in libOgreMain-1.6.1 package

[Hagai Hadad]

Hi,
I've installed OGRE via synaptic and I found that it is missing a plugin.
In the file "plugins.cfg" (/etc/OGRE/plugins.cfg) there is this line:
Plugin=Plugin_EXRCodec.so
but "Plugin_EXRCodec.so" is not installed.

Thank you,
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something about install g++－4.3

[xiaohuhu]

hello！
 There are somethings trouble me when I download G++.deb to  
install g++ .


when i  install  g++-4.3.deb which is  download from the  
packages.ubuntu.com ,  it


tell me that need to install libstdc++6-4.3.dev first.  So i download  
it , but it require


 g++-4.3 installed.  It get into a  bad  loop.  If i use the apt- 
get , It will ok, but i need to


download  debs to install  another computer without network.

How can i make it through!

   best wishes!

   Thank  you!





xiaohuhu
safar...@gmail.com



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Re: Final Freeze approaching

[Jamie Strandboge]

On Mon, 2010-04-12 at 03:08 -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
>  - For packages in universe that aren't seeded in any of the Ubuntu flavors,
>this final freeze is nominal; packages must be manually accepted by the
>archive admins, but no additional approval is required.  This means that
>if you *are* trying to get a package in that needs a FeatureFreeze
>exception, it's important that you get release team approval *first*,
>because the archive admins are not expected to check for an exception
>approval before accepting these packages.

What is the recommended way of determining if something isn't seeded in
any Ubuntu flavors? I admit I've done little with seeds, so I went to
SeedManagement then http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/seeds/
and poked around, but there is a lot to check there. Should I be running
germinate locally? Pointing me to an appropriate man page or wiki entry
is enough.

Thanks!

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Various Problems with Keybindings in Lucid (beta 2)

[Philipp Schaefer]

Hi all,

while trying the 10.04 beta 2 I encountered the following bugs all
related to keybindings.

I always used the Super(Win) keys to start a terminal (just the Super
key for it self). I wanted to do that again, by changing the relevant
entry in the Keyboard Shortcuts dialog. This didn't work because the
keys now seem to be bound to mod4 by default. So far that shouldn't be
the problem, because one can change the behaviour of the Win keys in the
Options dialog under Preferences -> Keyboard -> Layout. But whatever I
tried to choose there, the Win keys remained being bound to mod4. A look
at xmodmap confirmed that.

Now I used xmodmap itself to change it (i.e. remove Super_L from the
mod4 list) which allowed me to configure everything as desired, as well
as successfully changing the Win key behaviour in the above mentioned
Options dialog, if I tried to (not that I needed that anymore).

Now after having played with xmodmap in that way Indicator Applet and
Indicator Applet Session developed unbearable behaviour in that they
'captured' the m and s key, respectively. Whenever I pressed m anywhere
the Menu of the former Applet pop up and the same happened with s and
the later. So now I have both applets removed from the panel, which
obviously isn't a desirable solution.

I include the output of xmodmap and cat .xmodmaprc:

xmodmap:  up to 3 keys per modifier, (keycodes in parentheses):

shift   Shift_L (0x32),  Shift_R (0x3e)
lock  
control Control_L (0x25),  Control_R (0x69)
mod1Alt_L (0x40),  Alt_R (0x6c),  Meta_L (0xcd)
mod2Num_Lock (0x4d)
mod3  
mod4  
mod5ISO_Level3_Shift (0x5c),  Mode_switch (0xcb)

clear lock
clear mod4
keycode 66 = Mode_switch
keysym a = a A adiaeresis Adiaeresis
keysym o = o O odiaeresis Odiaeresis
keysym u = u U udiaeresis Udiaeresis
keysym s = s S ssharp
keysym e = e E EuroSign


Cheers,

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ffmpeg no xvid support

[Andres Goldbohm]

when i start videoporama come this text.

The ffmpeg package installed don't include libxvid and isn't able to 
encode in Xvid (avi). This format will be disable in the user interface.
The ffmpeg package installed don't include libx264 and isn't able to 
encode in H264 (avi). This format will be disable in the user interface.

regards

andreas

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i915 - kms - lucid - dri(?) problem

[Interbird Support]

Hi Folks,

I'm test-driving Lucid beta-2.
Video is unstable; I'm using Intel chipset on fujitsu-siemens laptop
(lifebook E8010, dohan 725 1.6GHz, i855? video).

I would like to help to resolve this.

I'm able to test x-server---intel drivers on

00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 82852/82855 GM/GME/PM/GMV Processor
to I/O Controller (rev 02)
00:00.1 System peripheral: Intel Corporation 82852/82855 GM/GME/PM/GMV
Processor to I/O Controller (rev 02)
00:00.3 System peripheral: Intel Corporation 82852/82855 GM/GME/PM/GMV
Processor to I/O Controller (rev 02)
00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82852/855GM Integrated
Graphics Device (rev 02)
00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation 82852/855GM Integrated
Graphics Device (rev 02)
00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM
(ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB UHCI Controller #1 (rev 03)
00:1d.1 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM
(ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB UHCI Controller #2 (rev 03)
00:1d.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM
(ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB UHCI Controller #3 (rev 03)
00:1d.7 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-M) USB2
EHCI Controller (rev 03)
00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 Mobile PCI Bridge (rev 83)
00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82801DBM (ICH4-M) LPC Interface Bridge
(rev 03)
00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801DBM (ICH4-M) IDE Controller
(rev 03)
00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) SMBus
Controller (rev 03)
00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM
(ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 03)
00:1f.6 Modem: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97
Modem Controller (rev 03)
01:0a.0 CardBus bridge: O2 Micro, Inc. OZ711M3/MC3 4-in-1 MemoryCardBus
Controller
01:0a.1 CardBus bridge: O2 Micro, Inc. OZ711M3/MC3 4-in-1 MemoryCardBus
Controller
01:0a.2 System peripheral: O2 Micro, Inc. OZ711Mx 4-in-1 MemoryCardBus
Accelerator
01:0a.3 CardBus bridge: O2 Micro, Inc. OZ711M3/MC3 4-in-1 MemoryCardBus
Controller
01:0c.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme BCM5705M_2
Gigabit Ethernet (rev 03)
01:0d.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 2200BG
[Calexico2] Network Connection (rev 05)
01:0e.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Texas Instruments TSB43AB21 IEEE-1394a-2000
Controller (PHY/Link)

hardware.

I can setup a test-environment for debugging.


Cheers,
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Re: Final Freeze approaching

[Steve Langasek]

Hi Jamie,

On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 11:31:51AM -0500, Jamie Strandboge wrote:
> On Mon, 2010-04-12 at 03:08 -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
> >  - For packages in universe that aren't seeded in any of the Ubuntu flavors,
> >this final freeze is nominal; packages must be manually accepted by the
> >archive admins, but no additional approval is required.  This means that
> >if you *are* trying to get a package in that needs a FeatureFreeze
> >exception, it's important that you get release team approval *first*,
> >because the archive admins are not expected to check for an exception
> >approval before accepting these packages.

> What is the recommended way of determining if something isn't seeded in
> any Ubuntu flavors? I admit I've done little with seeds, so I went to
> SeedManagement then http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/seeds/
> and poked around, but there is a lot to check there. Should I be running
> germinate locally? Pointing me to an appropriate man page or wiki entry
> is enough.

The "sets" column on
 should map fairly
reliably to seeded vs. non-seeded packages; packages with a component of
universe or multiverse, with no sets listed, can be assumed not to be seeded
anywhere.

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