Re: Proposal: include Brasero by default
Devel discuss is probably the best place for a new idea to develop, then someone writes a spec, then it needs a sponsor, and then if it's finally decided upon, it could be included as decided. On Jan 9, 2008 4:47 PM, Wouter Stomp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 6, 2008 4:16 PM, Wouter Stomp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all, I would like to propose including Brasero in the default Ubuntu installation. Who takes the final decision on things like this? Or should this be posted elsewhere? Wouter. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss -- Cheers, Bryan Freenode: Toxicity999 -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Proposal: include Brasero by default
Well that's the entire concept: It's simple. For people who need advanced backups, and other burning tools, they can simply install k3b or a plethora of other burning programs we have in the repositories alone. This is a designed as something for a new user who just wants to throw some files on a disk, burn a DVD for their player, and so on. It doesn't need to be anything advanced. k3b is great, but these advanced features aren't so optional, they're all right there in your face soon after install, this can scare many simpler users. On Jan 7, 2008 9:34 AM, Kacper Wysocki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 7, 2008 2:41 AM, Bryan Haskins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 6, 2008 8:04 PM, Mackenzie Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds like I need to try this program (when my optical drive stops playing dead). How does it compare to GnomeBaker? Very similar, but a VERY clean interface. And very straitforward. I mean when it comes down to it, they all do the same thing, so it's all about preference. But brasero sticks with the keep-it-simple philosophy we like to show on the live CD, and entry environment. I noted this program with interest as I had not found anything that beat k3b for quite some time. It's rather limited as it follows symlinks (not optional), doesn't include hidden files by default and has limited file filtering functionality, three strikes make it unusable for archiving and backup purposes. Props for being simple, though. -K -- Cheers, Bryan Freenode: Toxicity999 -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Proposal: include Brasero by default
Very similar, but a VERY clean interface. And very straitforward. I mean when it comes down to it, they all do the same thing, so it's all about preference. But brasero sticks with the keep-it-simple philosophy we like to show on the live CD, and entry environment. On Jan 6, 2008 8:04 PM, Mackenzie Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds like I need to try this program (when my optical drive stops playing dead). How does it compare to GnomeBaker? On Jan 6, 2008 7:20 PM, Bryan Haskins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A agree too, I'm a k3b guy myself. But for a strictly GTK desktop, I love Brasero. On Jan 6, 2008 3:11 PM, Evan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It already ships with Xubuntu, and I quite like it. I second this motion. The only thing that needs to be changed is that it needs to depend on cdrdao or else certain functions crash. I'm not sure why this isn't already a dependency. On Jan 6, 2008 10:16 AM, Wouter Stomp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all, I would like to propose including Brasero in the default Ubuntu installation. Brasero is an application to burn CD/DVD's for the Gnome Desktop. It is designed to be as simple as possible and has some unique features to enable users to create their discs easily and quickly. Brasero is actively being developed and is maintained in Ubuntu by one of its developers, Luis Medinas. Currently Ubuntu relies on nautilus-cd-burner and serpentine for cd/dvd burning. Both are nice and simple programs, but both N-c-b and serpentine have several limitations that Brasero does not have which are listed below: Nautilus cd burner: - Lack of multisession support! - Does not inhibit Gnome Power Manager from suspending while burning - Doesn't do on the fly burning (dvd to dvd or disk to dvd), severly limiting burning possibilities when low on disk space (a situation in which you might want to move files to cd/dvd) - Does not show the amount of space left - Does not show the progress while burning - Has no option to verify burned cd - Can't copy/write video DVDs - Has no option to erase cdrw's withouth burning new content to them Serpentine: - Doesn't do on the fly writing (mp3/ogg to wav conversion) - Doesn't detect the size of the inserted disc - Has several open bugs on program crashes, both on launchpad and in gnome bugzilla - Lacks audio track preview - Doesn't support cue files Additionally, Brasero has features such as automatic filtering for unwanted files, beagle file search (tracker support planned) and saving/loading of projects, allowing them to be burned later. It would be good to provide users one common interface to burn cd's. Brasero is already in the main repository and installed and tested by many users, so it should not be a problem to include it on the cd. Of the other distro's, opensuse already ships it. Therefore, I would like to propose including it by default in Hardy. Cheers, Wouter -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss -- Cheers, Bryan Freenode: Toxicity999 -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss -- Mackenzie Morgan Linux User #432169 ACM Member #3445683 http://ubuntulinuxtipstricks.blogspot.com -my blog of Ubuntu stuff apt-get moo -- Cheers, Bryan Freenode: Toxicity999 -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: VOIP: ekiga, wengophone, twinkle (was What is 'administrivia')
Most Clients for X program just us UPnP these days, so most people are understandably spoiled by it. On Jan 2, 2008 12:02 PM, Fergal Daly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 02/01/2008, Mackenzie Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 2, 2008 6:23 AM, Fergal Daly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If your setup is relatively straight-forward or you are able to open ports on your firewall then you don't have be SIP expert to get it working - I know nothing about SIP I got it to work by following the docs, I'm going to go ahead and lose all my geek points now. I don't know how to open ports on my router. I certainly don't expect that any normal user does. Then I'm not sure how you got any of the other SIP clients to work. As I understand it, unless the machine yon which you are running the SIP client has a publicly accessible IP address, you will not be able to use SIP unless you have a way to twiddle your router. The problem is that the voice data travels in UDP packets directly between you and the other person on the call. If you don't have a public IP address - say you are using NAT with a wireless router then the packets will arrive at your router and it will not know what to do with them - they could be for any of the machines on your wireless network. If you open the port (or rather forward the port) on the router, you are telling your router, if any packets arrive on port number XYZ, send them to my computer. This will allow SIP to work for you and is independent of what SIP client you use. If one of you has a public IP address and the other a NATted one then if the NATted one startes sending the packets first, their router will see there is a conversation going on and allow the packets to flow. If both of you have NATted IP addresses then neither of you can start the conversation. With certain routers, there are tricks you can do to get around this but many many routers have no work around. Skype gets around this by sending your conversation through a 3rd computer out on the internet which has a publicly accessible IP address. All packets between the 2 chat clients go via this computer. So actually there are 2 UDP packet flows, which this 3rd computer joins together. You can also get around this if your router can run a SIP proxy. I'm curious if you got some other SIP client to work without problems. I had the same set of problems with twinkle as with ekiga, F -- Mackenzie Morgan Linux User #432169 ACM Member #3445683 http://ubuntulinuxtipstricks.blogspot.com -my blog of Ubuntu stuff apt-get moo -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss -- Cheers, Bryan -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: New Programs for Hardy?
Our miro packages need some major work. In the form of: - New Upstream, 1.0 - Some compilation reconsiderations I'm not specifically sure of the cause, but the repo version has some major issues, perhaps it was due to the lib boost incompatibilities of the last version, well now the code works with it natively (they even have their own gutsy repository). I was experiencing crashes and major slowdowns as the guide loaded, think waiting 10 minutes (on a more than capable system) for the main UI and the Guide to load, the gusty repo version from them, snappy and instant. So there is some inconsistencies there that we should look at... As far as Java, we *try* to push Iced Tea, the GPL Java implementation, If you notice when trying John's Azureus package with no java environments installed, it will attempt to install Iced Tea, rather than the OSS Friendly, but not FOSS JRE, iced tea for all intents and purposes works fine for use anyway, much unlike old implementations we pushed with Azureus which were... less than to be desired some times. And... yea It looks like you already talk about Iced Tea in the second post I not just saw... oh well, I'll leave it here, it's valuable information for anyone interested =] Back to the original point... I would totally say Miro would be a good candidate for Main.. It's not very large.. BUT it does have a java dependency... because of this I can almost guarantee it will not see the Install Disc for some time to come, even though Iced Tea is sure a movement, we're working with 700mb here, compression only does so much. On Nov 14, 2007 4:19 AM, Conrad Knauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since we're at the formative stages of Hardy I thought I'd start a thread about apps which might be good for inclusion in the default Ubuntu setup. My suggestion: Miro (GPL v2 or later; currently in universe) has reached its 1.0milestone http://www.getmiro.com/blog/2007/11/miro-10-is-here/ I note that its getting praise from the press http://techland.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2007/11/13/the-future-of-internet-tv/ I've used it in the past and its quite interesting. CK P.S. I was looking at /usr/share/doc/sun-java6-jre/copyright and had a 'WTF? moment': --- This product is covered and controlled by U.S. Export Control laws and may be subject to the export or import laws in other countries. Nuclear, missile, chemical biological weapons or nuclear maritime end uses or end users, whether direct or indirect, are strictly prohibited. Export or reexport to countries subject to U.S. embargo or to entities identified on U.S. export exclusion lists, including, but not limited to, the denied persons and specially designated nationals lists is strictly prohibited. --- Apparently one cam made WMDs with it or something; no wonder its in multiverse! ;) Are we ever going to get some form of Java in Ubuntu by default I wonder? -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss -- Cheers, Bryan -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: What do I do with disturbing bug reports in Wine about system crashes?
Just a thought, but maybe just categorize them on the wine tracker (those from the wine tracker obviously) with something such as 'Outside Bug' generically, or more specifically, if you can determine it 'Video Driver bug', 'X bug' and so on. On Launchpad anything like that should presumably be passed on where applicable to some driver tracker, or some-such, or marked as invalid if it's beyond your reach to triage it. I mean you shouldn't go out of your way to do research to triage and forward a misplaced bug report. by the same token, it shouldn't just be written off instantly either. I guess that's a long way to say that you should use your own judgment. This isn't an official statement by any means, like I would have the authority for that, heh, just some advice and thoughts from my past triaging. On Nov 14, 2007 5:55 PM, Scott Ritchie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fairly often, I'll get a bug report filed against Wine about something that Wine shouldn't be able to cause - total keyboard deadlocks, frozen screen, being unable to even ctrl-alt-backspace or ctrl-alt-f1, etc. These are clearly not Wine bugs, but it's unclear to me where I should refile them. Wine's exposing a bug somewhere else (probably the driver or X), but what should I do? Thanks, Scott Ritchie -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss -- Cheers, Bryan -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: regular fsck runs are too disturbing
I completely like the LVM idea, as I was saying on IRC a bit ago, that would really be an elegant system. LVM up root, and whatever other chosen disks, and safely check that in the background (possibly a nice notification icon even?) and pop up a ping box when an error is found (the level of error it goes into rigorous fsck mode being user configurable, but shipping with a default of some sort, tbd later) this would REALLY cut down on issues... The only discrepancy here is what happens when the disk is corrupted to a high degree and we try to boot it? Fairly simple yet also complex response to that. It would have to work similar to bulletproof X... though obviously on a lower level. We could flag to a safe location to fsck on boot. Or even have a special grub entry that fscks automatically, that would be interesting. The first being more elegant, though rather hard... it would require us to have a safe-zone to store this sort of small information. And we have no idea what part of the FS/Disk could be bad. Possibly a combination of the two might be in order. Honestly it is a tad complex but it is REALLY a cool idea. We should write up a formal spec and see where it goes, still needs some development, but it's really promising In my opinion. John Dong wrote: A partial check doesn't make sense with the current fsck tools AFAIK. We should do a full filesystem check if anything, and if a user decides to abort it, it's his choice. There should be a graphical or otherwise easily accessible way of re-touching the /forcefsck flag so that users can choose which bootup to do a check on. Another idea is on LVM-capable systems to take a snapshot of important filesystems while they are unmounted or read-only then fsck the snapshot device as a background task. If any serious errors are detected in the snapshot, then schedule an uncancelable boot scan. I agree with everyone who says that the current fsck experience is a blemish to Ubuntu's general user-friendliness, and also that we should not be entirely removing the regular fsck as it catches hardware irregularities and potential software bugs with ext3. John On Wed, Oct 10, 2007 at 01:25:54PM +0200, Vincenzo Ciancia wrote: Problem is that users will just skip the test, and get tired of having to skip the test each time. Perhaps an alternative would be to check only a part of the filesystem (e.g. randomly choosen) each time, but I don't know enough about filesystem (even though I should :) ) to say it's impossible or feasible. Vincenzo -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Single CD for Server Desktop?
Yea, server isn't just a subset of desktop, as it installs minimal and a LAMP setup, so it would significantly bump up the size. We're pushing close to 700mb now. Plus most users would have no use in this. It would only be convenient enough for the people who could handle a server and downloading a new ISO... plus a liveCD for a server install would just be silly =D On 7/28/07, Christofer C. Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm curious why there are 2 CDs, one for Server and one for Desktop. Is it not possible to have a check box at installation time that says: * I would like to install an Ubuntu Desktop [ ] * I would like to install an Ubuntu Server [ ] Just idly curious. ;-) -- Chris To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public, said President Theodore Roosevelt. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss -- Cheers, Bryan -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: A Request to all Linux Experts
You might have better luck on irc as you can get direct input from many people at once as things arise. All of us float on freenode. On 6/6/07, vivek srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all. I am Vivek Srivastava from India. I have recently passed out from an engineering college and have a offer from a bank to work as software engineer in next 3 months. I am a mechanical engineer by education, but have enough knowledge about c++ etc. I want to get seriously involved in linux development. I am presently working on a simulation project in Group Technology and C++ and will be free in 5 days for next 3 months to come and after that also I will have ample amount of time. I am a newbie in linux.. (very novice!!) but I have become very much interested in it recently. Though I tried to understand how things work in Linux, but things seem to be spread in a confusing way on the Internet. I was wondering if any one of you out there (most of you are experts.. I know) may be able to help me. I need a guide or a mentor to help me through...Please help. I want to be a serious developer in the open source community seriously!! :) and i am looking forward to a long term relationship with the person as guide/mentor.. I don't know what i will be able to offer in return.. but be assured.. i am a very hard working person.. so atleast you will have a worthy acolyte. :) I so much wish i had taken computer engineering and not mechanical. Waiting for replies. Bests, Vivek Srivastava -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss -- Cheers, Bryan -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
