Re: Removal of PulseAudio from Ubuntu
On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 3:38 AM, Luke Yelavich them...@ubuntu.com wrote: On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 06:06:10AM CEST, Shentino wrote: Also, I question the wisdom of having audio specific bluetooth support. My hunches tell me that a proper bluetooth support layer would be better. What do you mean by proper bluetooth support layer? We already have that, and it does a good job of managing bluetooth. While it is possible to use bluetooth devices with ALSA, there is no good UI for managing this easily, and the interface itslf is clunky. PulseAudio elps a lot by talking directly to bluez, the support layer for bluetooth. It is then very easy to use bluetooth devices from a user perspective, with a good UI to manage things. Luke Ditto. PulseAudio developers and maintainers maintain (oops) that sound skipping now is almost always caused be alsa driver issues and these will be fleshed out - and I tend to agree. I used to be a big PA hater, but now it's working beautifully for all but one machine I've tried. (And bluetooth support is fantastic) Will we just stop this thread, please? Best regards, Flávio -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Removal of PulseAudio from Ubuntu
On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 9:21 PM, Chris Jones chrisjo...@comcen.com.au wrote: Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 20:17:04 -0400 From: Daniel Chen seven.st...@gmail.com (Grr, Android mail clients) Have you filed a bug report against the alsa-driver source (or alsa-base binary) package? Why on earth would I file a bug for alsa-driver when alsa is the driver that is working. Pulse is what I'm having issues with. Perhaps you misread/misunderstood my post. I had this conversation with Daniel in pvt. Well, with a somewhat different words ;-) On May 6, 2010 8:52 PM, Flávio Etrusco flavio.etru...@gmail.com wrote: If VLC is working with the ALSA emulation, isn't it more likely a bug in the VLC plugin for PA? It is no more or less likely. For hardware bugs, you start at the bottom of the stack for debugging, not the top. The fact that early requests mode works implies that the buffering semantics are incorrect, which could be the pulse output plugin for vlc *or* the driver. Actually, it was a stupid question on my part. VLC is working fine in my desktop and notebook so, indeed, it may/must be related to the real alsa driver. Best regards, Flávio -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: too long sleep delay of the screen by default
On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 3:50 PM, Jan Claeys li...@janc.be wrote: Op zondag 11-04-2010 om 11:12 uur [tijdzone +0200], schreef Jérôme Bouat: Nowadays are the screens mostly lcd/led with fast resume. Turning on an LCD screen that's connected with an analog cable might take several seconds to settle. -- Jan Claeys Indeed. AFAICS LCD, plasma, LCD/LED TVs and monitors still take approximately the same amount as CRTs to start up. What toggles fast is the backlight of integrated LCD (with LED or not) panels. Best regards, Flávio -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: too many virtual terminals by defaut
On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 6:23 PM, Jérôme Bouat jerome.bo...@wanadoo.fr wrote: On one side, if you want to use many virtual terminals, then it means that you have enough skills to configure additionnal terminals. On the other side, if you are a newbie, you will possibly never use a virtual terminal. Thus I think the default configuration should provide only 2 virtual terminals. With default configuration (except evolution removed) : --- j...@j-d:~$ ps ax|wc -l 123 j...@j-d:~$ --- If we delete 4 unused processes, we decreases the number of processes by 3%. Regards. If you create a poll in http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/ , I'll vote it up/yes ;-) Best regards, Flávio -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: too many virtual terminals by defaut
On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 6:41 PM, Max Bowsher m...@f2s.com wrote: Jérôme Bouat wrote: Hello, I think that only 2 virtual terminals instead of 6 would be enough. I understand that most of the memory of the virtual terminals is shared. However, it would decrease the number of processes (more human readable process list, less processes context switch, ...). There is no small enhancement. Jerome, A decrease of 4 processes would have negligible effect on the overall system process list. An idle process should have negligible context switch overhead. Thus your proposal seems to me to have no advantages, yet would disadvantage people who actually use multiple VTs and would depart needlessly from standards/tradition. Max. IIRC Fedora lowered the number of login terminals for reasons other than process/memory overhead - though I can't remember what reasons were from the top of my head ;-) BTW, does a terminal allocate any video memory when using KMS? I assume anyone using a high number of text/login terminals to be a server administrator? Is 6 enough? What about Screen? Best regards, Flávio -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: lucid and 2.6.33?
On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 5:06 PM, Patrick Goetz pgo...@mail.utexas.edu wrote: Subject: Re: lucid and 2.6.33? From: Jonathon Fernyhough j.fernyho...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 21:34:20 + As far as I am aware the important bits of .33 are being integrated into the special sauce for the Lucid .32 kernel. Perhaps someone can explain why this makes more sense than just using the .33 (or .34) kernel? Here is my perspective: what most techies love about linux is the ability to know exactly what is going on in the software. I can go to h-online.com, or kernelnewbies.org, or even kernel.org and find out exactly what a new kernel is going to do for me. Sometimes I even use or need some of these cutting edge features. When Canonical (or Redhat) create a special sauce kernel consisting of a little bit of this and a little bit of that, I have no idea what I'm actually getting. It makes the whole thing more Microsoft black-box-like. No bueno. Seriously? Ubuntu is not only about techies, it's about general use(rs) and businesses too. They have to have a solid and well-tested base. If you really wanna know what you're actually getting, you have the sources and the changelogs. Best regards, Flávio -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Trouble with 32 bit Gtk app on 64 bit system - no or misleading error msgs
Exacty. That's precicely my point. Fedora, Mandriva and openSUSE have thsi down. Which has nothing to do with rpm versus deb. It just happens that their repo layout/structure was much more conducive to packaging properly for 64-bit. IIRC rpm allows installing multiple versions of one given package while dpkg prohibits it, is this correct? Best regards, Flávio -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Lots of Kernel related brakage in Lucid (amd64)
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 8:00 PM, Danny Piccirillo danny.picciri...@ubuntu.com wrote: Damn, ran into this too, but i don't have an old kernel to fall back on. Is there a way i can fix this without having to reinstall? You could try disabling kernel modesetting: While booting, enter the grub menu (hold the Shift key. If it fails and the boot continues, restart and try pressing Shift several times instead of simply holding it down). Once in the grub menu, press 'e' to edit the boot line, then add to the kernel line: nouveau.modeset=0. You may also remove quiet splash to see what's going on in the boot process. Press Ctrl+X. Best regards, Flávio -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: if my disks start spinning wildly i wanna know whats causing it
On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 9:25 PM, Rene Veerman rene7...@gmail.com wrote: Hi.. I got a feature request for system monitor for you: Please add the ability to view disk-activity/second per program running per mountpoint. Don't forget to include system-level processes. Very occasionally my disks start spinning without me knowingly initiating it, and i would really like to be able to look up quickly which program is responsible. -- I guess you/we should issue a wishlist on launchpad ;-) I guess everybody always wanted a clean mean very high priority system monitor for those what the heck is going on moments. Turns out no operating system/kernel has knowledge of what files are touching the disks or what process is trashing the swap because they involve separate layers that don't have full awareness of each other. Linux is gaining some advanced tracing facilities and I guess this will soon be possible... Best regards, Flávio -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Backup application in default install
+1. Even a manual backup utility would suffice to me ;) Is there a bug entry for this? Best regards, Flávio On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 10:07 PM, Caleb Marcus caleb.marcus+u-...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, yes, yes. I fully agree. Currently I use an anacron job running rdiff-backup, but this is CLEARLY not right for non-techie users. I stopped using Simple Backup ages ago... it was really deficient. For one thing, its incremental backups had to be restored like so: 1) restore last full backup 2) restore next incremental 3) rinse and repeat until you're restored to the right date. On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 3:14 AM, Aaron Whitehouse li...@whitehouse.org.nz wrote: Hello all, According to: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem Backup is essential. However, no tool to backup the system is available in the default installation. By contrast, Mandrake (as it was then) included an excellent simple option built-in when I used it around five years ago: http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Docs/Howto/Drakbackup I have just read through all of the Wiki pages I could find on the topic: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Home?action=fullsearchfrom=0context=180value=backup and it seems that each release brings a new spec to include a backup program by default and, each release, people write out the use-cases, set out the alternative backup programs available and argue about missing features. Then the release happens and no backup program is installed by default. Simple-backup-suite appears to be the most officially-sanctioned backup solution for the simple use-case and I understand that it was designed for Ubuntu (during the 2005 GSoC) for this purpose. Unfortunately, the project does not seem at all maintained, which makes it unlikely that bugs will be fixed or features added. The facility to restore backups is also pretty primitive (as far as I can tell), requiring the user to search through each backup file one-by-one to find the correct version(s) of a file, rather than having any master indexes. I would really like to see Canonical/Ubuntu officially support this crucial part of the desktop. There are so many choices for backup, each with subtle differences, that having a recommendation would be very valuable to all but the most skilled backup experts. Canonical/Ubuntu supporting one backup program would also no-doubt encourage further activity in that program. Finally, there could be excellent (revenue-generating?) opportunities to offer an option to backup to Ubuntu One etc. I understand and appreciate the differences between the backup programs (some using inotify and hard-links, some using diffs and archive files etc.), but I feel that it is one of those cases where it is more important to encourage the user to backup the system in any of the available ways than to keep arguing about the most technically-correct approach. Regards, Aaron -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
