Kubuntu 9.04RC1 LiveCD excessive hard drive activity, whilst idle
Hello all, I just tried out the Kubuntu 9.04 RC1 LiveCD on my desktop. After a couple of minutes it starts accessing the hard drives as well as the CD itself, causing an unresponsive system. This is while the system is idle otherwise. At first I thought it was some kind of indexing service. What indexing service does Kubuntu use? The ones I know, such as tracker and beagle, where not running. I could see a number of kio_file working non stop. Tried to kill them one by one, but appeared immediately back on. There must be a service that invokes them. Then I noticed something even weirder. The drives were not even mounted! (?) Is it performing some kind of disk checks? It seems, whatever it was doing, it was doing it to any storage attached to the system, from the internal drives, to external usb storage as well as the LiveCD itself (which is what probably caused the sluggishness) Any ideas? Ioannis -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Kubuntu 9.04RC1 LiveCD excessive hard drive activity, whilst idle
Mackenzie Morgan wrote: On Friday 17 April 2009 8:40:13 am Ioannis Nousias wrote: Hello all, I just tried out the Kubuntu 9.04 RC1 LiveCD on my desktop. After a couple of minutes it starts accessing the hard drives as well as the CD itself, causing an unresponsive system. This is while the system is idle otherwise. At first I thought it was some kind of indexing service. What indexing service does Kubuntu use? The ones I know, such as tracker and beagle, where not running. I could see a number of kio_file working non stop. Tried to kill them one by one, but appeared immediately back on. There must be a service that invokes them. Then I noticed something even weirder. The drives were not even mounted! (?) Is it performing some kind of disk checks? It seems, whatever it was doing, it was doing it to any storage attached to the system, from the internal drives, to external usb storage as well as the LiveCD itself (which is what probably caused the sluggishness) How much RAM do you have? Does the hard drive already have a swap partition on it? If so, it's probably swapping. yep, you are right, that's what happened. The livecd mounted the swap partitions of all my drives. I just realised what happened. I started a copy between two external hard drives, using dolphin. The copy involved several tens of GB, mostly small text files. The process was in the preparation phase, so actual copying had not commenced yet, when suddenly I've noticed the activity on my internal drives (which were not mounted). I stopped the copy process, but the activity continued, until the system became totally unresponsive and had to reboot. I'm guessing dolphin chokes when trying to transfer lots of small files. Starts using lots of ram. I'm now using good-old-fashion 'cp' and all is good. sorry for the false alarm :) Ioannis -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: LLVM 2.2
Matthias Klose wrote: Ioannis Nousias schrieb: is there any chance in seeing LLVM 2.2 version in Hardy (released in February)? Current version is 1.8, which I think is from Q4 2006! Yes, if you do follow our documented procedures. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SyncRequestProcess A request to update the LLVM version has been in launchpad for some time now: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/llvm/+bug/136495 Please update this bug report accordingly Matthias That's too complicated for a user. I'm not sure how to proceed. I found this: http://packages.debian.org/sid/llvm but there are 3 source packages (llvm_2.2-5.dsc, llvm_2.2.orig.tar.gz, llvm_2.2-5.diff.gz). Do I use all of them with 'requestsync' ? Plus, I don't know if there are any changes in ubuntu and if so, why they should be dropped or not. if I didn't know any better, I'd say this is your way of telling the user to bugger off... -Ioannis -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
LLVM 2.2
is there any chance in seeing LLVM 2.2 version in Hardy (released in February)? Current version is 1.8, which I think is from Q4 2006! A request to update the LLVM version has been in launchpad for some time now: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/llvm/+bug/136495 regards, Ioannis -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Bug and discussion about ubuntu menu
Ouattara Oumar Aziz (alias wattazoum) wrote: Thank you for this constructive comment. Technically speaking, it'll be very hard to have every section GUIs merged into one (as those are different applications). So there is 2 solutions I see : - Using sub menu for section : System ` configuration | - Personal Info | | - timezone | | - language | ` - About Me | - Display | | - resolution | | - appearance | ` - screensaver | - Sound | - Input | - Printers | - Peripheral Devices | - Network Connectivity | - Security ` - Disks and Storage | - Backup | - Partition Editor ` - Maintenance - using some /mini control center Guis/ by section : System ` configuration | - Personal Info | - Display | - Sound | - Input | - Printers | - Peripheral Devices | - Network Connectivity | - Security ` - Disks and Storage Some feelings about these ideas ? It looks nice. My personal view as a user is that menus are 'slow'. The restructuring ideas you guys suggest will certainly speed things up (navigating your way across menu options), but they will still be slow. I don't use menus. First thing I do after a fresh install is remove the menu applet. I rely solely on semantic search using deskbar. Deskbar is by no means perfect, but it's much faster finding what you need, from launching applications to those obscure configuration tools. It's nice to get the menus 'cleaned up', but if something really needs attention is semantic search across the entire desktop. If well thought and designed, something like deskbar can become really powerful. But since we are talking about menus, wouldn't it be cool if by typing in it starts filtering out irrelevant options ? (with a little text-box, like the one appearing in nautilus for instance). regards, Ioannis -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Bug and discussion about ubuntu menu
Ouattara Oumar Aziz (alias wattazoum) wrote: Ioannis Nousias wrote: Ouattara Oumar Aziz (alias wattazoum) wrote: Thank you for this constructive comment. Technically speaking, it'll be very hard to have every section GUIs merged into one (as those are different applications). So there is 2 solutions I see : - Using sub menu for section : System ` configuration | - Personal Info | | - timezone | | - language | ` - About Me | - Display | | - resolution | | - appearance | ` - screensaver | - Sound | - Input | - Printers | - Peripheral Devices | - Network Connectivity | - Security ` - Disks and Storage | - Backup | - Partition Editor ` - Maintenance - using some /mini control center Guis/ by section : System ` configuration | - Personal Info | - Display | - Sound | - Input | - Printers | - Peripheral Devices | - Network Connectivity | - Security ` - Disks and Storage Some feelings about these ideas ? It looks nice. My personal view as a user is that menus are 'slow'. The restructuring ideas you guys suggest will certainly speed things up (navigating your way across menu options), but they will still be slow. I don't use menus. First thing I do after a fresh install is remove the menu applet. I rely solely on semantic search using deskbar. Deskbar is by no means perfect, but it's much faster finding what you need, from launching applications to those obscure configuration tools. It's nice to get the menus 'cleaned up', but if something really needs attention is semantic search across the entire desktop. If well thought and designed, something like deskbar can become really powerful. But since we are talking about menus, wouldn't it be cool if by typing in it starts filtering out irrelevant options ? (with a little text-box, like the one appearing in nautilus for instance). regards, Ioannis It is true that it is faster to launch the application via Deskbar, but to launch it , you need to know exactly what you want to launch. and that's why you have a menu (which needs to be well designed) so that it drives the user to the application he wants. Then once you have seen the name of the menu entry or of the application, you can use Deskbar . The KDE4 menu is, I must admit, very well designed as it combines a Deskbar with a well organized menu. A future project could be to use the same model for gnome. On the contrary. Semantic search (and I emphasise the 'semantic' part here) abstracts you from names one might have chosen for an application or option. Again, I'm not implying that semantic search works perfectly in deskbar (in some case it works well). For instance I want to rotate my screen. I should be able to type 'rotate' and greeted with options that can do such an action (hopefully one of them will be the xrandr gui or something like that)*. Continue typing 'screen' or 'display' should further narrow down the options. regards, Ioannis *mind you, this example in deskbar returns 'eog' (thus giving the option to rotate a photo), but not the settings for rotating your screen, which is a shame. We really need powerful semantic search. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Graphics (restricted) modules in gutsy
I've noticed that the nvidia binary blobs are quite out of date. There are some fixes in the legacy branch (96xx) on the new release (96.43.05), that makes compiz usable on cards the driver supports. It would be nice for these new releases to land in the repos soon. (I've been using 96.43.05, manual install, for several weeks and works really nice on my setup) regards, Ioannis -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Use SVG icons instead of PNG
Denis Washington wrote: On Sun, 2008-02-10 at 14:42 +, Ioannis Nousias wrote: ok, I followed your advice and filed a report for gnome-terminal (which also exhibits the same issue). for your records: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-terminal/+bug/190688 It would be the best to file these bugs upstream, that is, on bugzilla.gnome.org in this case. That way the developers which are actually maintaining the app will noctice them. Regards, Denis ok http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=515587 (merely a copy-paste of the previous one) -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Use SVG icons instead of PNG
I'm sure this has been asked before. Most of the system application launchers use PNG icons. For example, Firefox and Thunderbird (two of the most commonly used apps). Very few use SVG, like gnome-terminal. I like to have few icons on my desktops that are stretch to ~x2 their size. PNGs look aliased when stretched. Another case where the fixed resolution of PNGs gets in the way, is in things like cairo-dock, where the application's icon in 'window list' looks aliased. The obvious question is, why use PNGs and not SVG for all icons? Performance? Also, is that theme related ? I use the 'human' theme. regards, Ioannis PS: I've modified 'firefox.desktop' in '/usr/share/applications', just to make sure that the default uses SVG. This works well for my desktop icons, however, things like cairo-dock keep displaying a PNG icon of the running firefox app. Is there something else I need to change, or is this Cairo-Dock's fault ? -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
