RE: Late-cycle UI changes and Documentation
On Mo, 2011-04-11 at 18:28 -0400, Jason Todd wrote: I LOVE that the launcher only activates when the cursor goes to the upper-left corner! Please don't say this has changed. If the launcher activates anytime the cursor touches the left margin, it will result in endless burdens for everyday use. There's now a config option in the System Settings, I have no clue what the default is. Search for launcher menus -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Ubuntu-devel-discuss Digest, Vol 44, Issue 37
On Mon, 2010-07-26 at 17:02 +0100, Shane Fagan wrote: Your going to have to grab the source code from launchpad package by package[0]. Running apt-get source package from an Ubuntu system seems much more convenient, and there should be a way to run or script it so that it fetches the source for all packages. Also, depending on what the OP needs it for, Debian may do. Debian offers source CDs for download: http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#source-cd Anyway, this is off-topic for this list. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Replace F-Spot with Solang?
On Mon, 2010-05-17 at 10:00 -0700, George Farris wrote: Just uncheck the copy photos checkbox when importing. Yes, every time. And never ever forget it. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Replace F-Spot with Solang?
On Wed, 2010-05-19 at 17:24 +0530, Onkar Shinde wrote: This was a bug in f-spot. But it has been fixed at least since Ubuntu 9.04. How so? It still shows the checkbox in the import dialog and there is not setting in the preferences. Or do you mean that this checkbox remembers its state now? (If so, then I missed it because I like the copy on import and never unchecked it) -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Replace F-Spot with Solang?
As a happy F-Spot user, let me make a few comments. On Sat, 2010-05-15 at 05:07 -0400, Danny Piccirillo wrote: i still get complaints of it being slow and the fact that it requires you to import all of your photos into one folder is...beyond words. (...) i remember the last answer i got was a prompt and strangely passionate ugh, i hate it. I want to provide the opposite anecdotal evidence that I very much like F-Spot, a few warts not withstanding. I started to use it a few years ago for my personal photo collection (now approx. two or three thousand photos) when it stopped making sense to force photos into a directory hierarchy. I don't have an ongoing problem with the importing of photos, since new photos are on the camera's SD card anyway, and of course I want to have them copied somewhere. Though yes, initially it *was* a big step to give up on my existing directory hierarchy and surrender to F-Spot, and I do think that it can be a hurdle, even though I'm personally happy with having done so. The other stuff you wrote about Solang certainly looks interesting, but does it do F-Spot database import? I think if Ubuntu changes a default application that required some investment from users (such as actually creating a worthwhile F-Spot database with tags and whatnot), it should provide the option to switch to the new default, including a data import. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Removal of PulseAudio from Ubuntu
On Thu, 2010-05-06 at 02:27 -0400, Ryan Oram wrote: Skype will work on infinityOS and on any audio system that I propose Ubuntu should adopt. Skype works fully on the pure ALSA system employed currently by infinityOS as I use it personally. I did question whether Skype will work on your distro, but intended to use it as a popular example application that many users will want a bluetooth headset for. And even if other systems are really better, it does not change the fact that many people use bluetooth. I highly suggest, based on my own personal experience, that you do not deploy Bluetooth headsets at your workplace. We are sometimes not stupid :) and of course are testing before we deploy. 150 users at the helpdesk have been using bluetooth headsets for months without encountering significant amounts of the issues you describe. Bluetooth support will be in what ever audio layer infinityOS uses (or anything I support Ubuntu to use) or at the very least be on the roadmap. Game support is, however, just a plain higher priority, as it is required by home users You are of course free to prioritize in your distro any way you want, I just don't buy that it's clear cut that games are a higher priority than simple bluetooth audio connectivity. Also games are required by *some* home users. And in fact not that many people play sophisticated PC games, believe it or not. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Removal of PulseAudio from Ubuntu
On Thu, 2010-05-06 at 22:05 +0200, Mario Vukelic wrote: I did question whether Skype will work on your distro, I did *not* question .. Sorry. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Removal of PulseAudio from Ubuntu
On Wed, 2010-05-05 at 20:49 -0400, Ryan Oram wrote: How many users actually use Bluetooth headsets with their computers or mute their browsers? I feel that being able to play games without having to edit text files or install alternate packages is much important to the average user then the above features. Chances are people who want to use Bluetooth headsets and to mute browsers will know how to configure Linux to do so anyways. Many companies are switching their internal phone systems to VoIP. The company I work for (15,000 seats, half of the users mobile with laptops) just finished this transition, and the next step will be a migration to PC-based phones for those who prefer it. Bluetooth headsets, certainly. Also, there is this little application called Skype that I hear people are using. I don't see the point of the false dichotomy either bluetooth headset support *or* proper game support, either. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Ubuntu needs a new development model
On Wed, 2010-05-05 at 20:49 -0400, Ryan Oram wrote: End users don't want to have to add PPAs or download .deb files off of websites. These end users don't want constantly changing applications (and bugs) all the time either, in my experience. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: No mouse or keyboard on 10.04 no GNOME
On Fri, 2010-04-30 at 08:35 -0300, vododo wrote: I tried to upgrade to ubuntu 10.04 and I had several problems. I used the save-upgrade method. Once it was done, GNOME didn't start. As others have said, upgrading with apt-get or aptitude is not the recommended method. The recommended method is explained here (which is linked from the announcement page for the new release): http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading That said, it should be possible to upgrade with apt-get/aptitude if you somewhat know what you are doing, and with some massaging you should be able to recover. First of all, aptitude safe-upgrade can never work for a full distribution upgrade, because this method is guaranteed not to remove packages (which is why it is safe), but exactly this is certainly needed during a distribution upgrade. I'd recommend you try the following (I have gone through the list repeatedly and tried to avoid any errors, but please think for yourself and do not follow it blindly): 1. Backup your valuable data if that's still an option. If you cannot do this, then accept that if you make mistakes, I cannot guarantee that your data will survive. If you cannot accept this, get qualified help (there may be an Ubuntu release party near you that offers support; if free support is not available, get paid support) 2. Read this (on another computer, print it out if necessary): http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/1004 3. Make sure you understand whether the release notes indicate that you need to do anything manually (that is, stuff that would have been performed automatically had you used the recommended method). 4. Since X does not work, log into your machine on the text terminal 5. Make sure that your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* files are all correctly changed for 10.04 (lucid). Disable all third-party sources by commenting them out. 6. Run sudo aptitude update. 7. Run sudo aptitude full-upgrade (note the full- instead of safe-, which allows aptitude to remove packages). 8. If it exits without any errors, go to step 15. Otherwise, run it again. Repeat until it finishes successfully. If it does, go to step 15, if it does not, repeat until its output is the same as it was on the previous run and go to step 9. 9. Run sudo dpkg --configure -a and sudo apt-get install --fix-broken repeatedly until either command's output is the same as it was on the previous run. 10. For good measure, try steps 7 and 8 some more. 11. If the error messages indicate that dpkg gets stuck during installation due to conflicts, read man dpkg and study the --force-things options carefully. Then run the required sudo dpkg --force-things command. This can be dangerous to your system if you don't know what you are doing. 12. Repeat step 7 and if needed through to step 11. 13. At some point sudo aptitude full-upgrade should finish cleanly. 14. Run sudo aptitude install ubuntu-desktop. This package is required to ensure that 10.04 (Lucid) is fully installed. It can be removed when you are fully done, if you do not want to run the full Ubuntu desktop for some reason. If it runs cleany, good. Otherwise try to fix errors as before. 15. Reboot and hope. 16. If X runs, you are nearly done. Run sudo aptitude safe-upgrade. If this command has errors, you should now be proficient enough with aptitude, apt-get and dpkg to figure it out, or you need to get more help. 17. Reenable your third-party sources (change them to lucid). Run sudo aptitude update and install what you need. Also, this is not the support list, as others have pointed out. Please direct future support requests to the given links. You may also email me personally, but please provide the exact error messages you get during the upgrade, and the appropriate log files from /var/log, depending on where the failure is (if X and therefore gdm do not start, /var/log/Xorg.0.log is a good start) Regards Mario -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Bug reporting for Ubuntu Server? WTF?
On Fri, 2010-02-12 at 11:47 -0700, Charlie Kravetz wrote: Having used all these methods to file bugs, I have never been stopped from commenting on the bug report before all of the automatic methods attached the log files and filled in commentary. I think the problem is that ubuntu-bug excepts you to know that additional steps (duplication search, etc.) including a comment input field will follow in a browser window after you press the Send button. With the current UI I can understand if someone comes to the conclusion, like the OP, that the report will be simply sent without his input. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Removing Ubuntu releases, just Ubuntu (Aitor Pazos)
On Sat, 2010-02-06 at 10:15 +0100, Markus Hitter wrote: That exactly demonstates what I meant with not helpful at all. Markus, this is not the support list for random problems. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: The 9.10 boot loader progress bar
On Mon, 2010-01-25 at 02:29 +0200, Amahdy wrote: I'm wondering why starting from 9.10 the boot loader started to be an infinite loop progressbar (like windows always does)?? This was discussed at length during the last few days. Check this thread in the archives: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2010-January/010492.html -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: The 9.10 boot loader progress bar
On Tue, 2010-02-02 at 20:08 +0100, Mario Vukelic wrote: On Mon, 2010-01-25 at 02:29 +0200, Amahdy wrote: I'm wondering why starting from 9.10 the boot loader started to be an infinite loop progressbar (like windows always does)?? This was discussed at length during the last few days. Check this thread in the archives: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2010-January/010492.html Which was, as I realize now, a discussion started by you in the first place. You really should get yourself a proper email client to follow the list, then you would not miss such things. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: dragging icons onto desktop - place where i drop plz
On Fri, 2010-01-29 at 08:36 +0100, Rene Veerman wrote: please make sure it ends up under my cursor when i drop it You really should file bugs in launchpad for such things, they will just be lost on the list. Preferably use ubuntu-bug to report: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
RE: cancel the 9.10 release... it is not ready
On Mon, 2009-11-09 at 13:48 -0700, Kevin Fries wrote: Remember, Lucid is an LTS release. This will have four big side effects: - Generally fewer new features (Though rumor of Gnome 3.0, and pushing for a 10 sec boot is kinda scary) Gnome project just announced that 3.0 will be released in September 2010, with 2.30 scheduled for April 2010, so if there ever were any credible rumours (which I haven't seen), they should be squashed now. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: proposition about Human theme
On Tue, 2009-11-03 at 14:46 +0200, yurik 81 wrote: Can you move the line 'gtk-icon-sizes = panel-menu=24,24:gtk-button=16,16' from the Human theme to '/etc/gtk-2.0/gtkrc'. In this case, these parameters can be overridden in '~/.gtkrc-2.0'. Only Human theme force 'gtk-icon-sizes' :( Now this sounds interesting and if Human is the only theme that does this it may well be worth a bug report. The bug should probably be reported for the package human-icon-theme. Please use the ubuntu-bug program to file the report, that is, use ubuntu-bug human-icon-theme as is described here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs#Filing%20a%20bug%20with%20ubuntu-bug -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: upgrade from 9.04 - 9.10: the most broken Ubuntu / Debian upgrade I have ever experienced
On Tue, 2009-11-03 at 17:03 +, Alan Pope wrote: Lets not be too hasty in larting someone for using apt-get instead of update-manager or do-release-upgrade. Agreed, and I seem to remember that I was the one to have pestered Colin until he wrote this :) BUT, this implies that the user of apt-get does know what he is doing (e.g, update the current distro completely before upgrading; install ubuntu-desktop) and is prepared to deal with fallout such as conflicts and the need to run apt-get -f install repeatedly without freaking out. I don't think that the OP provided enough information to understand what went wrong during his upgrade; it does seem that he may have tried update-manager first and resorted to the manual process only once it failed. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: upgrade from 9.04 - 9.10: the most broken Ubuntu / Debian upgrade I have ever experienced
On Wed, 2009-11-04 at 03:31 +0100, Remco wrote: Ouch, that's bad. Whether it's true or not doesn't even matter. The Register is trying to drive visits up. It was bound to happen with increasing popularity, there is always something to be gained by shooting down last year's favorite. Nothing new here. The cases that are listed mean nothing at all without numbers and context. It will never be hard to find five upgrades going wrong when millions of people upgrade (and the Register and /. should remember this when spinning the next sensationalist Windows story, too). And quoting a poll on ubuntuforums -- pleeeaaase, ever heard of self-selection? I upgraded at alpha 5 without a hitch but I surely did not tell a poll about it. All in all they cite one (!) bug report in the article and this was already marked as won'tfix because it looks suspiciously like user error . Sounds like you probably have a proprietary driver compiled against kernel version X, but have upgraded to kernel version Y. Because they are closed source, the driver has to be rebuilt for a given kernel version, which means you have to take care to match your kernel and video driver versions, else it'll break. Otherwise the Register quotes Ubuntu forum member w00ly, who decried the lack of automation on encrypting his home partition. Decried, really? Well let's read on - 'w00ly wrote: I certainly wish the encryption mounting process was more automated like everything else is!!' Fair point, but hardly a catastrophy. And then we have a few cases of fallout of the usplash/xsplash KMS transition, which currently indeed makes the boot look less polished, at least for users without Intel graphics. This is a shoddy, shoddy piece of journalism and whether Karmic sucks or is great, we won't learn about it from the Register, apparently. I trust the launchpad statistics and the general feeling of supporters in forums and mailing lists more, and as Derek mentioned recently, there is less noise on the user list than for other releases. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: T41 overwhelmed by compiz Normal and metacity
On Tue, 2009-11-03 at 07:58 +0800, DULMANDAKH Sukhbaatar wrote: I have t41 too. But it's working fine with compositing. It has radeon 7100 mobile graphics card. There are many different T41 configurations and some have old Intel onboard chipsets. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: usb stick
On Wed, 2009-10-14 at 10:59 +0200, Hein Hanssen wrote: Hello, When using USB memory sticks, I would expect to have an right click menu showing a format option. This is not the case (well, at least on the Gnome desktop, I don't know about KDE). I have the option in Karmic's Gnome, for USB sticks and other USB mass storage devices like hard disks. Right now, the only (graphical) way of formatting USB memory sticks is by using Gparted. Sure, it offers you optional file systems. I can rightclick - Format, and choose a few file systems there. The dialog also lets me launch the full disk Palimpsest utility (same as System Administration - Disk Utility). Palimpsest belongs to the package gnome-disk-utility, which is depended on by ubuntu-desktop and thus installed by default. But, every user expects to have an easy way of formatting, just a (right) click away. And rightly so. Could you check if you have ubuntu-desktop installed? -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Icons in Place and System
On Tue, 2009-10-13 at 13:23 -0700, George Farris wrote: I'm saying that Applications and Places have icons but System doesn't and that looks unfinished and not consistent. I think that's the bug, because I have them in all three menus. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Proposal: reduce base font size from 10pt to 9pt for Karmic Koala release
On Sun, 2009-10-11 at 03:55 +0200, Remco wrote: I'm not saying that Ubuntu shouldn't be accessible by default. I think that would be a great idea. But accessibility settings have a strong impact on the user experience. One size certainly doesn't fit all. And this particular accessibility setting is difficult to disable. Hey y'all, Keep in mind that in Karmic accessibility settings are available from the ggdm login screen, and you can choose larger font sizes there, among many other options. Mario -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Pulse audio
On Fri, 2009-10-09 at 14:50 +0200, Vincenzo Ciancia wrote: Do you mean that I have a possibly remote possibility of convincing the ubuntu developers to ship pidgin instead of empathy? Do I need to write a scientific paper on that, or is it possible that someone actually does an unbiased comparison by themselves? Speaking as a non-developer, I would say yes, at the appropriate time. Even I know that planned changes are tracked at Launchpad: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ I would think that thoughtful input would have had an effect: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic?searchtext=pidgin Regarding Pidgin, please note that AFAIK it of course won't be uninstalled when upgrading. It remains a first-class citizen in main, and you are welcome to install it in new installations, same as with all kinds of other applications. E.g., I always install and use a number of other video players for different purposes, but it's still very possible to understand the default choice of Totem, even if it misses a number of features for some of my tastes. No, no, I can't agree. I like new software but there must be a measure. Pulseaudio in the end could be easily disabled in hardy, but e.g. empathy can not make sense, there are no strong reasons to use it, except that it is a gnome thing but also pidgin is. I'm not an IM user, but I think you are missing the vast improvements to all-round communication in Gnome that Empathy promises, though I'm not qualified to comment about its current state. Mario -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Could someone explain a Won't Fix bug resolution re ubuntu-boot-experience?
Hi all, If someone feels so inclined I would be happy if I could get an explanation about a bug resolution, to improve my understanding of what to expect from the new Karmic boot process. Thanks in advance. In response to the karmic beta announcement [1] which asked for bugs to be filed regarding the boot experience I filed bug 443282 [2]. The beta announcement read: Boot Experience We've done some work on improving the overall look and feel of booting the system. Please open bugs with the tag ubuntu-boot-experience on any messages you see flashed after grub loads and before the new Ubuntu Splash screen (xsplash) displays. My boot experience is documented in the bug report (with video). In short, I see lots of console text messages followed late in the boot by what I guess is xsplash (?). Yet the bug report was closed as Won't Fix with the comment, The text is normal. I just don't get it, I guess Kind regards Mario [1] http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/beta [2] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upstart/+bug/443282 -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Could someone explain a Won't Fix bug resolution re ubuntu-boot-experience?
On Tue, 2009-10-06 at 14:12 -0500, Robbie Williamson wrote: Apologies for this. While the systems startup text is normal, e.g. the fsck stuff, the kernel messages are not, e.g. the usb stuff. I've dup'd this to bug 438335. Thanks. I should have found and read this myself, sorry for that. (Though it may help to include a link in the boot section of the next beta release notes or to otherwise manage expectations to avoid useless bug reports.) Furthermore, if you'd like to improve the boot experience, I suggest doing the following: 1) Convert to Grub2 - sudo upgrade-from-grub-legacy This time, thankfully, I did search and found https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/385053 So no, can't do that unfortunately because I don't have grub in the MBR. 2) Relocate your console messages from tty1 to tty6 - sudo vi /etc/default/grub - Add console=tty6 to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT: quiet splash console=tty6 - save and quit - sudo update-grub Not sure whether this is a grub2 thing (the file did not exist), do did not do that yet. 3) Enable usplash at boot - sudo -i - echo USPLASH=y /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/usplash.conf - update-initramfs -u This did the trick. Now I go from grub to a white glowing Ubuntu logo on black background, then a few seconds of console screen with the cursor blinking in the top-left corner, and then the spinning mouse pointer and what I guess is xsplash, i.e., the dark/reddish stage graphics with spot lights from the top onto an Ubuntu logo/logotype, and a narrow white light gliding left to right as an activity indicator. All in all a clean-looking boot (for a non-Intel card I guess - using an ATi with free driver). Is usplash only enabled for fresh installs now? I had a quiet graphical boot in jaunty before upgrading. Cheers M -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: The google custom search
On Fri, 2009-07-24 at 07:34 +0200, Vincenzo Ciancia wrote: Dear all, today I noticed that the consistency problem between the default ubuntu start page, which is a custom google search, and the search box at the top-right of firefox, has finally been solved. Now also the search box is a custom search. Not sure if this is what you are writing about, but you will probably want to read it: http://www.asoftsite.org/s9y/archives/162-What-is-this-Multisearch-thing-in-my-Firefox-about.html -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Reason for removing animation from Gnome login?
On Wed, 2009-03-25 at 23:38 +, Matt Wheeler wrote: Looking at the source for gconf2 it looks like the xml backend is abstracted quite neatly from the main body of the code so perhaps it wouldn't be too difficult to create an experimental sqlite/somedb backend and compare performance. In fact, gconf was always intended to have pluggable back-ends including a db, it's just that nobody got around to writing anything but the xml backend. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Default font size in gnome
On Thu, 2009-02-26 at 17:33 -0600, Ryan Hayle wrote: which is evident in this screenshot: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/23152448/10pt.jpg Nothing at all is evident in screenshots that are saved as jpg to show font issues. It's impossible to distinguish font rendering compression artefacts. png is a better choice. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Default font size in gnome
On Fri, 2009-02-27 at 00:45 +0100, Nicolò Chieffo wrote: They are png. I renamed them to jpg by mistake Oh, goody then :) -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Installation fails and the corresponding bug report
On Sat, 2009-02-21 at 10:15 +0100, Vincenzo Ciancia wrote: I don't think I am getting the point Please excuse my jumping in (it's probably an accident that I am again picking you :) but I think the point is that if a developer asks you (not) to do something, you (don't) do it. I think Colin explained the reason in his reply. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Fake login screens
On Sat, 2009-02-14 at 16:52 -0500, Mackenzie Morgan wrote: And *YOU* are missing the point that Ctrl+Alt+Delete on Ubuntu *already* does what Windows does when you hit Ctrl+Alt+Delete but are actually already logged in: it asks if you want to log out. Nope it does not. The windows *kernel* intercepts C-A-D, user processes can't. It's specifically designed as a way to prevent fake login screens: pressing C-A-D *guarantees* a kernel-approved login. http://blogs.msdn.com/larryosterman/archive/2005/01/24/359850.aspx Guys, doing your homework before posting would make developers more likely to stay subscribed. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Fwd: Is disabling ctrl-alt-backspace really such a good idea? - no.
On Thu, 2009-02-12 at 20:16 -0500, Mike Jones wrote: I have absolutely no desire to C-A-F#, find the program that is giving me fits, and then kill it in the hopes it fixes my issue. You rather lose your complete X session along with all data in open files than switching to a virtual console and killing one offending program? I gotta say I find that quite weird. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Are file permissions in files on external devices silly?
On Fri, 2008-11-21 at 16:19 +, Andrew Sayers wrote: To address the actual point, security of files on removable media can only be handled at the hardware level, by making sure bad people don't steal your disks. Bad guys can be assumed to have root access to at least one box that they can plug a drive into, so complex permissions systems on removable media serve only to frustrate ordinary users. I have to disagree here. I have several USB disks attached to my computer, and while I agree that this provides no security against an attack, it does provide protection against user errors, just as it does on internal disks. A disk being external does not preclude that several users access it and want protection from the other guy unintentionally deleting their files. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Anyone else lost hardware buttons after update from intrepid-proposed?
On Wed, 2008-11-12 at 11:02 +1100, William Grant wrote: I strongly doubt it. My changes there didn't touch hotkeys. Thanks everyone. Another set of updates arrived before I could figure out what was going on, and now everything is fine again. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Anyone else lost hardware buttons after update from intrepid-proposed?
Hi, today a number of updates were pulled, aptitude log excerpt follows below. They included gnome-settings-daemon and linux-restricted-modules-2.6.27-8-generic, both from intrepid-proposed. I suppose one of them made the hardware buttons on my laptop (hp nc6440) non-functional, though I only ever used the sound buttons and can't vouch for the others. However, the list in System-Preferences-Keyboard Shortcuts is only a long list of Unknown Action Disabled in categories Sound and Desktop. The category Window Management is ok. I am not sure for what package to file this in Launchpad, any ideas? Aptitude log excerpt: [INSTALL, DEPENDENCIES] linux-headers-2.6.27-8 [INSTALL, DEPENDENCIES] linux-headers-2.6.27-8-generic [INSTALL] linux-image-2.6.27-8-generic [INSTALL] linux-restricted-modules-2.6.27-8-generic [UPGRADE] gnome-cards-data 1:2.24.1-0ubuntu2 - 1:2.24.1.1-0ubuntu1 [UPGRADE] gnome-games 1:2.24.1-0ubuntu2 - 1:2.24.1.1-0ubuntu1 [UPGRADE] gnome-games-data 1:2.24.1-0ubuntu2 - 1:2.24.1.1-0ubuntu1 [UPGRADE] gnome-settings-daemon 2.24.0-0ubuntu3.1 - 2.24.0-0ubuntu3.2 [UPGRADE] linux-generic 2.6.27.7.11 - 2.6.27.8.12 [UPGRADE] linux-headers-generic 2.6.27.7.11 - 2.6.27.8.12 [UPGRADE] linux-image-generic 2.6.27.7.11 - 2.6.27.8.12 [UPGRADE] linux-restricted-modules-common 2.6.27-7.12 - 2.6.27-8.13 [UPGRADE] linux-restricted-modules-generic 2.6.27.7.11 - 2.6.27.8.12 [UPGRADE] update-manager 1:0.93.34 - 1:0.93.35 [UPGRADE] update-manager-core 1:0.93.34 - 1:0.93.35 -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: rename system-cleaner-gtk to cruft-remover-gtk
On Mon, 2008-11-03 at 02:21 -0500, Mackenzie Morgan wrote: I thought cruft was used interchangeably with crud when talking about real-life things. I thought it is a known word too, but US-natives called me to ask what I was talking about. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: rename system-cleaner-gtk to cruft-remover-gtk
On Mon, 2008-11-03 at 11:31 +0530, shirish wrote: had to rename it to cruft-remover-gtk due to trademark related names. Non-technical users have absolutely no idea what cruft means. Wikipedia correctly says, Cruft is computing jargon http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cruft I was so used to the term and once used it in end user communication at the large company I work for. Nobody understood. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Deleting an alpha iso for the safety of users hardware
On Sat, 2008-10-04 at 01:06 -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: From what I see, the announcements and warnings that were posted had the intended, and expected, effect. If I may chime in. Next time there is a serious problem it would be a good idea to also include the ubuntu-users list in the announcement. I posted a link to your announcement there after I realized that you hadn't cc'ed it. Several Intrepid users on the list then said they hadn't heard about the issue before. While it should be common practice to be at least subscribed to devel-announce when running an alpha, it seems not everybody is. Cheers Mario -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Errors on 8.04 upgrade page?
Hi, http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading For the upgrade Dapper - Hardy, it recommends either update-manager -d or do-release-upgrade -d. However, in both cases the -d switch checks for the next development release, which seems to me not to be Hardy. There just was a case on the -users list where this led to trouble: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2008-August/157269.html Is this as bad as it looks and should this be filed as a bug? Thanks Mario -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: LTS and release methodology
On Thu, 2008-07-10 at 18:14 +0200, Mario Vukelic wrote: FWIW: download from firefox.com - nothing As was pointed out to me, FF3 needs gtk+ 2.10, which is not in Dapper. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: LTS and release methodology
On Thu, 2008-07-10 at 10:15 +0200, Krzysztof Lichota wrote: The main point is that it is possible (and easy) to install Firefox 3 on Windows XP (released 2001), while try to install Firefox 3 on Dapper (released 2006). FWIW: download from firefox.com, unpack, run installer. Granted, it is not under the control of the package manager in this case, but neither is it in Windows (which lacks one altogether). -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Cannot boot alpha-1
On Wed, 2008-07-02 at 10:14 +0200, Thomas Novin wrote: It seems your installation has started on 2.6.24 and then been upgraded. Yup, I installed Hardy and upgraded. At the time there were no installer images yet. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Strip incompatible characters from Windows partitions!
On Fri, 2008-05-16 at 08:24 -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote: FAT is a defacto standard for portable storage devices. Not true anymore, the external disks I have seen that have 300 GB came with NTFS. Anyway, external disks may be a different topic altogether, but what about the Windows system partition that Ubuntu mounts writable by default (IIRC)? -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Strip incompatible characters from Windows partitions!
On Thu, 2008-05-15 at 21:14 -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote: but there is nothing inherently defective with the current behavior. I'd agree for any other fs, but the only reason you would use an ntfs partition is because you want to read this in windows. Thus it makes little sense to allow creating filenames that prevent it. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Strip incompatible characters from Windows partitions!
On Fri, 2008-05-16 at 00:50 -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote: Doesn't wubi install Ubuntu into an existing Windows partition? Exactly. And then Ubuntu will happily let you create files that you can't read in Windows. It's weird. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Some fundamental usability issues
On Wed, 2008-05-07 at 21:55 -0400, Mackenzie Morgan wrote: Your idea would mean going around having to delete a bunch of temporary files that were autogenerated. When closing the file, the editor could ask whether to keep the file. It already asks whether it should be saved, anyway. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Some fundamental usability issues
On Fri, 2008-05-09 at 02:50 -0400, Blaise Alleyne wrote: Sound quite similar to rsnapshot... http://www.rsnapshot.org/ The underlying system, yes. The UI, um, no :) -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Fedora 9 Beta does sound. Ubuntu Hardy does not?
On Wed, 2008-04-09 at 00:27 +, Scott (angrykeyboarder) wrote: The only sounds I hear are at GDM login screen and when I do the hardware test. Otherwise, nothing, nada, zilch. Is System Preferences Sound tab Sounds Enable Software Mixing checked? -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: pulseaudio enabled on dist-upgrades?
On Tue, 2008-04-08 at 08:31 +1000, Christopher James Halse Rogers wrote: System-Preferences-Sound-Sounds-Enable Software Mixing Exactly -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: pulseaudio enabled on dist-upgrades?
On Mon, 2008-04-07 at 21:51 +0100, James Westby wrote: the comments in their explain how to make it start. I don't know if you need to do anything else. The comment also explains why you shouldn't start it from there :) See the other replies about running the daemon per-user from the Gnome preferences. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Tablet pc regressions and showstoppers
On Tue, 2008-03-11 at 12:05 +0100, Vincenzo Ciancia wrote: I think everybody will agree that making ubuntu work well on tablet PCs is a Good Thing for the image of ubuntu itself. I can only second the importance of tablets nowadays. I work in an international business consultancy, and out of the ca. 10,000 consultants, ca. 4,500 use a tablet PC (the HP tc4400 FWIW), and the rest uses larger laptops. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: SCIM driving me insane
On Sun, 2008-03-09 at 11:20 -0800, Martin Olsson wrote: I was going to post a bug about this yesterday. I think CTRL-SPACE is a very very bad keyboard shortcut for this. I accidently triggered it 5 or 6 sixes when typing an e-mail, before I understood what was going on. Read the existing bug report that I posted to the list in reply to my own email. The fact that scim is launched by the shortcut seems a bug that was fixed. It is only supposed to be triggered by the shortcut if you specifically enable scim. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: SCIM driving me insane
On Sun, 2008-03-09 at 18:32 +, (``-_-´´) -- Fernando wrote: I just uninstalled it!! there was no way i couldnt find of removing it from the startup. Read the bug report I linked from the other post, it contains a better solution -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
gnome-panel and Fitt's law?
Hi, is it just me or has something changed in gnome-panel or compiz that makes all applets violate the implication of Fitt's law [1] that clickable button areas should extend to the screen edges? I'm using gnome panel 1:2.21.92-0ubuntu2 as current in Hardy, the screen effects are on. With this setting, neither the Apllications/Places/Systen menu, the Window List, the clock, nor others are not clickable when I move the mouse right up to the screen border. The Show Desktop button works in the corner, but not at the edges. It works as it should when Screen Effects are off. I have been using compiz for a while now but haven't notice that, and I am pretty sure I would have, had it been there. I did make a change to my X configuration, though: I finally thought of removing my old xorg.conf and reconfigure xorg to make it properly create a minimal one. (This indeed helped with making dual-monitors work on fglrx.) But it coincides with the button issue. Does anyone else see this? It's kind of disturbing, given that Hardy runs compiz on most graphics cards. [1] http://tinyurl.com/29v4pg -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
SCIM driving me insane
Hi, a couple days ago, suddenly strange characters appeared in all apps when typing. Shortly before that I accidentally pressed a button combo - didn't know which. I figured out that this was caused by SCIM having been triggered by the combo. The problem is that now it does not go away anymore: it triggers on many different combos, some interfering with window/desktop management combos I have set in Keyboard Shortcuts. And the trigger combos are very easy to hit by accident. I can't exit scim from the icon in the notification area, it ignores me. Deleting the email combos from the config panel does not help either, next login it reverts them. I can't find where scim is started in the first place. I can't find a bug report about this, does this only happen to my machine? I noticed several scim updates in Hardy during the last few days. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: SCIM driving me insane
On Sat, 2008-03-08 at 22:27 +0100, Mario Vukelic wrote: I can't find a bug report about this, does this only happen to my machine? I ፎኡንድ (ዓዓርግህ)) (argh!) found https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/scim/+bug/199030 and will add to it. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: UNDELETION EXT3 workaround
On Mon, 2008-02-18 at 22:49 -0500, Mackenzie Morgan wrote: It's part of why I don't use file managers--I don't get to reclaim hard drive space immediately. This seems to be a radical move when you can also just check the option Include a delete command that bypasses the Trash in Nautilus. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Software Inclusion
On Wed, 2008-02-13 at 15:34 -0400, Jon wrote: Now I see that the reference was to being compatible with the server OS. I guess I'm still left scratching my head why a server app would be included in what I consider to be largely a desktop distro. Maybe I'm just out to lunch today. :) Enjoy your meal! :) http://www.ubuntu.com/products/WhatIsUbuntu/serveredition -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: gThumb
On Wed, 2008-01-16 at 18:28 -0500, David A. Harding wrote: F-Spot is inefficent and may violate Microsoft's patents. Ubuntu users deserve beautiful things and they don't deserve to have them taken away because we ignored potential patent violations According to MS, the Linux kernel violates many of their patents. Should we remove the kernel, too? -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Proposal: include Brasero by default
On Mon, 2008-01-07 at 09:42 -0500, Bryan Haskins wrote: This is a designed as something for a new user who just wants to throw some files on a disk, burn a DVD for their player, and so on. AFAICT from the Brasero GUI, it does not create Video DVDs that any standalone-player can play, just data DVDs (DeVeDe or similar is needed for Video DVDs) -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: fsck on boot is major usability issue
On Fri, 2007-12-21 at 14:09 -0500, Bryan Quigley wrote: Can we not just check and never run (auto)fsck when on battery? But there are definitely people who rarely or never use the laptop while plugged in. E.g., they may charge overnight, unplug and take the laptop on the road, replugging in the evening. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: fsck on boot is major usability issue
On Fri, 2007-12-21 at 09:44 +1300, Jonathan Musther wrote: I would very much like to hear from somebody on the ext3 team about this. When ext3 was new, I am pretty certain that I have read quotes by Theodore T'so that he does not recommend turning off the checks. It's been a long time though, and searching now turns up nothing definitive for me. I find the long-standing insecurity abut this topic very weird, though. If an important ext3-using distro like Ubuntu asked the ext3 team, wouldn't they get an answer quickly? I would think so. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Changing dpkg-deb default compression from gzip to lzma for Hardy
On Tue, 2007-12-18 at 01:09 +0100, Thilo Six wrote: ~30% less download time A while ago I read about changing apt/dpkg to allow for the handling of security updates through binary patches. Does anyone know what came out of this? It seems to me that for slower connections, binary patches are the only feasible way. Redownloading the whole of, e.g., OOo because a bunch of source code lines changed somewhere will never cut it for users on slow links, regardless of a slightly more effizient compression method. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
