Re: Easier and more reliable ISO downloads, with error correction
Phillip Susi escribió: Anthony Bryan wrote: Hi, Have you thought about using Metalinks for your ISO downloads? It's an XML format used by download apps, and contains the ways to get a file (mirrors/P2P) along with info for automatic error detection/recovery (checksums) and other stuff. In my 12 years of extensive Internet use, and several years prior to that of using BBSes, I have NEVER had a download corrupted. It seems to me that the sophisticated error detection and correction measures in the underlying links are sufficient to prevent such errors. Hmm... For a reason Ubuntu provides the full-file checksums, and people are encouraged to check them. Wonder what that reason is? It makes things simpler for the user, since they don't have to manually try a bunch of servers that could be down, can use local mirrors first, and can repair downloads (very useful for large files like ISOs). Usually the link on the web site chooses a mirror for you. Which is usually completely overloaded on a release day. I have seen it happen on both releases this year, lots of people on the irc channel asking for a working mirror. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Appropriateness of posts to this list (Was Re: evince crash)
On 10/21/07, (``-_-´´) -- Fernando [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What we need is a DIGG alike system for LP. Either by counting the number of subscribers/comments, thumbs up/down (digg alike), or an hybrid way of all this. What do you guys think? A digg thumb up for that idea :) -- Nicolas -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: How about to patch synapatic to make it actively download packages using multiple threads?
On 10/21/07, yueyu lin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As you noticed, sometimes, synaptic downloads packages slowly. I noticed that apt-get in fact can use multiple threads to download sometimes. But synaptic seems seldom to do this. I wanna know why? In fact, it will not be difficult to modify codes to support active multiple threads downloading. But it doesn't appear. I guess developers think it's impolite to fork a lot of threads to download things from server. The server may only serve for a few *rude* people. If it's true, I will stop any attempts to do so. If it's not,I can have a try to do this. Using multiple connections to a single server is a sure way to make things worse, that is, overloading the server more. What does help is making multiple connections to *different* servers. That actually lowers load, since your download bandwidth is now dispersed between servers, so you're using up less upstream bandwidth from each server. I have been doing so to download the .iso's via HTTP (torrents go slowly for me). -- Nicolas -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: How about to patch synapatic to make it actively download packages using multiple threads?
On 10/21/07, yueyu lin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/22/07, Nicolas Alvarez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/21/07, yueyu lin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As you noticed, sometimes, synaptic downloads packages slowly. I noticed that apt-get in fact can use multiple threads to download sometimes. But synaptic seems seldom to do this. I wanna know why? In fact, it will not be difficult to modify codes to support active multiple threads downloading. But it doesn't appear. I guess developers think it's impolite to fork a lot of threads to download things from server. The server may only serve for a few *rude* people. If it's true, I will stop any attempts to do so. If it's not,I can have a try to do this. Using multiple connections to a single server is a sure way to make things worse, that is, overloading the server more. What does help is making multiple connections to *different* servers. That actually lowers load, since your download bandwidth is now dispersed between servers, so you're using up less upstream bandwidth from each server. I have been doing so to download the .iso's via HTTP (torrents go slowly for me). The problem to download from multiple server is that multiple servers may not be synchronized at the same time. Data synchronization is a serious problem. But I guess this should be better if we can make sure that multiple servers have the same package files. File gives 404 = try another server. Server times out because of load = try another server. Server is downloading way too slowly compared to the other connections = disconnect from it and try another server. -- Nicolas -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: A tricky situation in malone bug 60995
On 10/20/07, Martin Olsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really really would like to see BACKSPACE as BACK working in Firefox. I think this is the kind of polish bug that makes a lot of people stay away from ubuntu (beyond hardware problems of course). https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/60995 Is there any established process for dealing with this type of situation. The bug is very very old so I think some kind of decision needs to be made on the issue. Maybe some kind of ubuntu board or some benevolent dictator person or someone could arrange some voting or whatever? I installed Ubuntu just yesterday, and backspace not mapping to 'back in history' is the main annoying thing I found. It happened once or twice (in a year) that I went one page back when I wanted to delete text, because I wasn't focused on the right control. But I'd definitely choose the slight possibility of dataloss in that particular case, over having backspace duplicate the page up key (they're close enough on the keyboard!) instead of Alt-Left (which is a really uncomfortable keystroke). The other Firefox-related annoying thing that works on Windows but not on Ubuntu is on the address bar: Ctrl-backspace to delete words, or Ctrl-Shift-arrow to select words. It seems to search for spaces only. On Firefox under Windows it also stops on periods, slashes, etc. But it's definitely a Firefox feature, *not* a standard Windows feature that happens with all text fields. -- Nicolas -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: A tricky situation in malone bug 60995
On 10/20/07, Aaron C. de Bruyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I installed Ubuntu just yesterday, and backspace not mapping to 'back in history' is the main annoying thing I found. It happened once or twice (in a year) that I went one page back when I wanted to delete text, because I wasn't focused on the right control. But I'd definitely choose the slight possibility of dataloss in that particular case, over having backspace duplicate the page up key (they're close enough on the keyboard!) instead of Alt-Left (which is a really uncomfortable keystroke). I switched from IE to Firefox for three reasons: 1. Tabs rock 2. Open source rocks 3. Not suddenly finding myself 5 pages back in my history rocks. I would type something in wrong like my password into a webform and hit backspace a few times to correct it. From time to time, IE would occasionally freak out thinking I wasn't in a text box or something and suddenly I'd find myself 5 pages back in my history. My guess is someone messing around with .setfocus() or whatever the heck the javascript command is. About half the time, the data I entered in my form would be lost. Sometimes it would be my fault though. I'd be filling in a long form, tabbing between fields, and there'd be a link between one set of fields. I'd either tab on to the link and start typing and (not looking at the screen) realized I mistyped a key and hit backspace, or I would tab past the link, start typing, realize I screwed up the field before the link, hit SHIFT+TAB to go back and correct it (forgetting about the link), hit backspace to clear the contents of the field--and suddenly I'm back a page in my history. Once again, I would occasionally lose my form data with this. Now maybe firefox is better at saving the form data (I don't pay much attention when it does get saved, just when it gets lost). And maybe firefox won't be stupid like IE and get confused about backspacing text verses going back a page in history, but I personally feel that backspace is a function related to text. If you want to go back a page in firefox, use something like ALT+Left Arrow. But the argument can be avoided altogether. Maybe an option should be added so people can turn on using backspace as a navigation key. I think that's the wrong solution (and other people have said the same on the bug comments). The real solution is showing a message box if you change page for *whatever reason* and you have typed text in a form. Are you sure you want to change page, losing what you typed? That would solve it not only for backspace but also clicking a link accidentally. Somebody commented on the bug saying he tabbed and ended up on a link instead of a text field (should have tabbed once more). Pressing backspace made it go back. But pressing Enter would have made it navigate to the link and lost data too. How does disabling backspace help then? -- Nicolas -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: A tricky situation in malone bug 60995
On 10/20/07, Scott Kitterman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Users overly concerned with using something that looks and feels like Windows, IMO, probably want to run Windows. Windows does is really an irrelvant argument from my perspective. Should I throw away absolutely all advantages of running Ubuntu, and go back to Windows just because backspace in Firefox doesn't do what I want? Don't even bother mentioning about:config, very few users know that exists. -- Nicolas -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: A tricky situation in malone bug 60995
On 10/20/07, Scott Kitterman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday 20 October 2007 18:30, Nicolas Alvarez wrote: On 10/20/07, Scott Kitterman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Users overly concerned with using something that looks and feels like Windows, IMO, probably want to run Windows. Windows does is really an irrelvant argument from my perspective. Should I throw away absolutely all advantages of running Ubuntu, and go back to Windows just because backspace in Firefox doesn't do what I want? Don't even bother mentioning about:config, very few users know that exists. Well you found the bug, so you do. Your choice. Linux is like that (the choice part). Not losing data regularly is a big win for me. You're saying it's better for people to lose data than to have to learn to use a program slightly differently. It's the wrong way to fix it. You can lose data by clicking enter while a link is focused too, should we disable the enter key? The right solution has been mentioned multiple times in multiple places: prompt Are you sure you want to change page and lose what you typed? -- Nicolas -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: A tricky situation in malone bug 60995
On 10/21/07, Martin Olsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nicolas Alvarez wrote: It's the wrong way to fix it. You can lose data by clicking enter while a link is focused too, should we disable the enter key? The right solution has been mentioned multiple times in multiple places: prompt Are you sure you want to change page and lose what you typed? Yes, exactly. Nobody is arguing *for* data loss, clearly data loss should be avoided (but using another, more intelligent method). I would also like to point you to the follow repro steps: 1. surf to cnn.com 2. surf to google.com 3. enter search query hello 4. press the BACK button in the browser 5. press the FORWARD button in the browser Voilá your search query is still there intact: no data loss! Maybe this was a big problem in previous versions of Firefox but right now, the data loss argument is running very short. I agree the data loss argument is running short. And I agree with some comments on bugzilla: if data loss was really a problem, why the change doesn't affect Windows too? Are *nix users more prone to lose data? I don't think so :) By the way, keeping form data after going back and forward depends on caching headers sent by the page, or so I heard. I can confirm it doesn't always keep it. And I have also seen cases where I really didn't expect it to keep it but luckily it did (like on some forums' Quick reply feature, where the text box is hidden, and shown by Javascript after clicking a link; I clicked it and there was my old text!). -- Nicolas -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
