Re: Grouping preferences/Administration items?
On Nov 2, 2007, at 10:58 PM, Jan Claeys wrote: ... I know about hiding menu entries, but is there any example of related admin/non-admin settings going into one configuration panel, and the admin settings being hidden when a non-admin user launches that panel? ... Not yet, I think, because PolicyKit is too new. In many cases it would be useful to make admin-only settings read-only, rather than hidden. Cheers -- Matthew Paul Thomas http://mpt.net.nz/ PGP.sig Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Grouping preferences/Administration items?
Am Samstag, den 03.11.2007, 19:11 -0400 schrieb Matthew Paul Thomas: On Nov 2, 2007, at 10:58 PM, Jan Claeys wrote: ... I know about hiding menu entries, but is there any example of related admin/non-admin settings going into one configuration panel, and the admin settings being hidden when a non-admin user launches that panel? ... Not yet, I think, because PolicyKit is too new. I don't expect that many applications will use PolicyKit in Ubuntu 8.04. But PolicyKit really seems to be very nice. PolicyKit even allows to use the administration capplets/applications without authentication: A little lock is shown on buttons that require administrative privileges and you only have to authenticate if you actually click on them. But I am going to try to merge the resolution changing capplet into the screen and graphics preferences for Hardy. Cheers, Sebastian signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Grouping preferences/Administration items?
Am Samstag, den 03.11.2007, 21:10 -0400 schrieb Evan: I'd also like to take this opportunity to unofficially request the ability to change a monitor's colour depth from the Screen tab of Screens and Graphics. I know that most people won't need this, but there are a few possibilities where it would be needed (bug 32716 as an example). Just a thought. Perhaps it is an option for the graphics card tab. But there is definitely no space left on the first tap. There will be already a checkbutton for applying changes globally and a rotation chooser. So we are already very low on space. Cheers, Sebastian signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Grouping preferences/Administration items?
Op vrijdag 02-11-2007 om 10:14 uur [tijdzone -0400], schreef Sebastian Heinlein: Am Dienstag, den 30.10.2007, 16:55 +0100 schrieb Jan Claeys: Such a solution would probably solve many issues. It should also be able to hide all system settings for users that have no rights to change them. This is already the case. I know about hiding menu entries, but is there any example of related admin/non-admin settings going into one configuration panel, and the admin settings being hidden when a non-admin user launches that panel? -- Jan Claeys -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Grouping preferences/Administration items?
Op zondag 28-10-2007 om 14:17 uur [tijdzone -0800], schreef Martin Olsson: For a developer this is is very natural; user prefs vs system-wide. However, I doubt that most non-technical end users will perceive this split as naturally. I know for sure that my mom wouldn't understand why she needs to enter a password to change the clock and no password to change the desktop wallpaper. I'm sure your mother knows that children (or more general, people with lesser experience) should not be allowed to tamper with dangerous tools... ;-) (You might have to explain the dangers to her though, if she's not experienced with them herself.) -- Jan Claeys -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Grouping preferences/Administration items?
On Mon, 2007-10-29 at 15:39 -0400, Evan Huus wrote: I think if the Control Panel was added in addition to the two menus, it would confuse people as well. Perhaps just have the Control Panel by default, but have an easy-to-access setting that switches it back to the menus. I doubt anybody is really addicted enough to the two menus that they need a switch between the two systems. One system should be made good enough for both user demographics - a switch does not fix the bug. As a user of a sometimes multi-account bearing system, I'd like a system where the first things presented are user settings and that all system settings are under an advanced location within. Such UI elements should have some clear visual annotation (and a screenreadable annotation) so I don't go in there just to find that there are no settings for my user account - otherwise it would be really annoying. For example, a user-setting that configures which of my directories are shared via nfs or cifs would have a route through to the system setting that configures which parameters a suid samba/nfs-server configuration program would allow the various users to set. Something on which the users could select items from a list would have an add-new-item button (for users in the admin group) that uses gksudo to run the next gui element if configuring new items is restricted. -- Tristan Wibberley Any opinion expressed is mine (or else I'm playing devils advocate for the sake of a good argument). My employer had nothing to do with this communication. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Grouping preferences/Administration items?
The items in the gnome control panel are already grouped by categories (Hardware, Internet, system,...). Why not used theses groups in the System menu? Instead of current preferences/administration? This way it has advantages of both the system menu and the control panel : access easiness and logical organization. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Grouping preferences/Administration items?
Milan wrote: At least, there is a logic: Preferences are/should be for user settings, Administration for system-wide, often requiring admin rights settings. Still, there are issues with this classification: the Network Tools are not settings at all, Hardware Information is in preferences (see bug 147152)... For a developer this is is very natural; user prefs vs system-wide. However, I doubt that most non-technical end users will perceive this split as naturally. I know for sure that my mom wouldn't understand why she needs to enter a password to change the clock and no password to change the desktop wallpaper. So, this might very well be one of those things that come very natural to people who understand the code etc but which takes a long time to understand for an actual user. Martin -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Grouping preferences/Administration items?
I definitely agree that the non-techie will not understand the difference between Prefs and Admin. Perhaps renaming Preferences to *username* and Administration to All Users? Something like that would be clearer, although then we might want to also rename System to Preferences? We should definitely continue to group similar tasks (keyboard/mouse etc.) regardless. Evan On Sun, 2007-10-28 at 16:02 +, Chris Warburton wrote: On Sun, 2007-10-28 at 14:48 +0100, Milan wrote: What we could do is moving some items to a System Tools submenu in Applications if there are enough tools that can go there (I don't think it's true at the moment). If I recall the System Tools menu in Applications was seen as redundant and confusing (since there is a whole menu called System anyway, at least in Ubuntu since I have seen it called Desktop elsewhere) and over the past few GNOME releases there was a big push to move everything out of System Tools and therefore get rid of the System Tools menu completely (although it does still appear if some extra software is installed, for instance starting nested X servers) Thanks, Chris Warburton -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
