Re: Please keep the old IDE chipset drivers so that external CD writers can work
Wenzhuo Zhang wrote: Rick Knight wrote: $ wget http://mirrors.kernel.org/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux/linux-image-2.6.24-15-386_2.6.24-15.27_i386.deb $ sudo dpkg -i linux-image-2.6.24-15-386_2.6.24-15.27_i386.deb I tried this tonight. I ran into dependency problems. linux-image-2.6.24-15-386_2.6.24-15.27_i386.deb depends on module-init-tools_3.3-pre11-4ubuntu5_i386.deb which depends on libc6_2.7-10ubuntu3_i386.deb. I don't mind replacing module_init_tools, but libc6 scares me a little. Is it safe to replace the Gutsy libc6 with the Hardy libc6? It will probably lead to more dependency problems. Try: $ sudo dpkg --ignore-depends=module-init-tools -i linux-image-2.6.24-15-386_2.6.24-15.27_i386.deb Wenzhuo Wenzhuo, I've found a fix (or work-around) for this issue. I found this kernel parameter all_generic_ide mentioned as a possible fix for a problem with Seagate drives. I tried using it with my default, un-modified Gutsy kernel but it didn't solve the problem. I tried it with the custom Gutsy kernel I built with the pata_via module enabled and that worked. I don't know why, but the combination of the pata_via module and all_generic_ide allows my system to boot and run the Gutsy kernel. Now I'll be ready to upgrade to Hardy after it's had a week or to to stabilize. On another note, Brian Murray (ubuntu developer?) has marked my bug (212042) as won't fix because it doesn't meet the criteria for a stable release update. What does this mean? Thanks, Rick Knight P.S. Where is your petition to keep the old IDE drivesr? -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Please keep the old IDE chipset drivers so that external CD writers can work
Wenzhuo Zhang wrote: Rick Knight wrote: $ wget http://mirrors.kernel.org/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux/linux-image-2.6.24-15-386_2.6.24-15.27_i386.deb $ sudo dpkg -i linux-image-2.6.24-15-386_2.6.24-15.27_i386.deb I tried this tonight. I ran into dependency problems. linux-image-2.6.24-15-386_2.6.24-15.27_i386.deb depends on module-init-tools_3.3-pre11-4ubuntu5_i386.deb which depends on libc6_2.7-10ubuntu3_i386.deb. I don't mind replacing module_init_tools, but libc6 scares me a little. Is it safe to replace the Gutsy libc6 with the Hardy libc6? It will probably lead to more dependency problems. Try: $ sudo dpkg --ignore-depends=module-init-tools -i linux-image-2.6.24-15-386_2.6.24-15.27_i386.deb Wenzhuo Wenzhuo, This worked. I was able to install the Hardy kernel and then boot using it. My drives show up as SCSI devices (/dev/sdxn) instead of IDE devices and the pata_via module is being loaded. The IDE modules are not loading. Whatever was broken in Gutsy seems fixed in Hardy. There a couple of problems, that will go away when I upgrade to Hardy. I get a Cups backend error and the VBox modules won't load. Other than that, things look good. Thanks, Rick -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Please keep the old IDE chipset drivers so that external CD writers can work
Rick Knight wrote: I'm not sure I follow you here. Are you suggesting I upgrade to the Hardy beta, or just set my repositories to Hardy and update. Won't that be an upgrade? How stable is Hardy. I know the code freeze is this week, but is it safe to upgrade to Hardy? I am suggesting you try the libata pata_via module, because the old via82cxxx ide driver has been disabled in favor of pata_via since 2.6.24-13.23; and if it does not support your controller, report a bug as soon as possible so that it has a chance to get fixed before hardy release. Also, I rebuilt the Gutsy kernel to add support for the pata_via module, but that didn't help, I still can't boot into the Gutsy kernel. You can try downloading the latest hardy kernel and install in your 7.10(gutsy) installation. Again, remove the IDE modules from /etc/initramfs-tools/modules first before proceeding: $ wget http://mirrors.kernel.org/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux/linux-image-2.6.24-15-386_2.6.24-15.27_i386.deb $ sudo dpkg -i linux-image-2.6.24-15-386_2.6.24-15.27_i386.deb If you have empty space in your hard drive, you can try install hardy in a separate partition. I have been using it on a daily basis for one month. I've seen no major breakage. It's still not recommended for production usage though. Wenzhuo -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Please keep the old IDE chipset drivers so that external CD writers can work
Wenzhuo Zhang wrote: Rick Knight wrote: I'm not sure I follow you here. Are you suggesting I upgrade to the Hardy beta, or just set my repositories to Hardy and update. Won't that be an upgrade? How stable is Hardy. I know the code freeze is this week, but is it safe to upgrade to Hardy? I am suggesting you try the libata pata_via module, because the old via82cxxx ide driver has been disabled in favor of pata_via since 2.6.24-13.23; and if it does not support your controller, report a bug as soon as possible so that it has a chance to get fixed before hardy release. Also, I rebuilt the Gutsy kernel to add support for the pata_via module, but that didn't help, I still can't boot into the Gutsy kernel. You can try downloading the latest hardy kernel and install in your 7.10(gutsy) installation. Again, remove the IDE modules from /etc/initramfs-tools/modules first before proceeding: $ wget http://mirrors.kernel.org/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux/linux-image-2.6.24-15-386_2.6.24-15.27_i386.deb $ sudo dpkg -i linux-image-2.6.24-15-386_2.6.24-15.27_i386.deb I tried this tonight. I ran into dependency problems. linux-image-2.6.24-15-386_2.6.24-15.27_i386.deb depends on module-init-tools_3.3-pre11-4ubuntu5_i386.deb which depends on libc6_2.7-10ubuntu3_i386.deb. I don't mind replacing module_init_tools, but libc6 scares me a little. Is it safe to replace the Gutsy libc6 with the Hardy libc6? It will probably lead to more dependency problems. Thanks, Ric If you have empty space in your hard drive, you can try install hardy in a separate partition. I have been using it on a daily basis for one month. I've seen no major breakage. It's still not recommended for production usage though. Wenzhuo -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Please keep the old IDE chipset drivers so that external CD writers can work
Wenzhuo Zhang wrote: Rick Knight wrote: I downloaded the Kubuntu 8.04 Desktop CD ISO, burned the ISO and booted. It DOES install my hard drives as /dev/hd devices, not /dev/sd and I can access them without any problem, so whatever is causing my problem with Gutsy, has been fixed in Hardy. Also, I think tells me my Via controller is not compatible with libata. In Feisty and Gutsy kernels, the IDE driver via82cxxx is the only driver that supports VIA_82C586_1(1106:0571), and the new libata based driver pata_via is not enabled. So the Gutsy problem you experienced is probably a regression of via82cxxx driver introduced in linux-image-2.6.22. Starting from linux-image-2.6.24-13.23, via82cxxx is disabled in favor of pata_via. Kubuntu 8.04 beta CD ships with 2.6.24-12, which includes both via82cxxx and pata_via. Judging from the fact your drives are recognized as /dev/hd?, via82cxxx is loaded first, which means the via82cxxx issue has been fixed in 2.6.24-12. You may want to download and install all the hardy updates up-to-date using Update Manager. linux-image-2.6.25-15-generic will be installed in the update process. Be sure to remove the IDE drivers you added to /etc/initramfs-tools/modules before starting to update. You'll then find out whether pata_via is working properly for VIA_82C586_1. If it does not work for you, you can file another bug report. Wenzhuo Wenzhuo, I'm not sure I follow you here. Are you suggesting I upgrade to the Hardy beta, or just set my repositories to Hardy and update. Won't that be an upgrade? How stable is Hardy. I know the code freeze is this week, but is it safe to upgrade to Hardy? Also, I rebuilt the Gutsy kernel to add support for the pata_via module, but that didn't help, I still can't boot into the Gutsy kernel. Thanks, Rick -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Please keep the old IDE chipset drivers so that external CD writers can work
Rick Knight wrote: I downloaded the Kubuntu 8.04 Desktop CD ISO, burned the ISO and booted. It DOES install my hard drives as /dev/hd devices, not /dev/sd and I can access them without any problem, so whatever is causing my problem with Gutsy, has been fixed in Hardy. Also, I think tells me my Via controller is not compatible with libata. In Feisty and Gutsy kernels, the IDE driver via82cxxx is the only driver that supports VIA_82C586_1(1106:0571), and the new libata based driver pata_via is not enabled. So the Gutsy problem you experienced is probably a regression of via82cxxx driver introduced in linux-image-2.6.22. Starting from linux-image-2.6.24-13.23, via82cxxx is disabled in favor of pata_via. Kubuntu 8.04 beta CD ships with 2.6.24-12, which includes both via82cxxx and pata_via. Judging from the fact your drives are recognized as /dev/hd?, via82cxxx is loaded first, which means the via82cxxx issue has been fixed in 2.6.24-12. You may want to download and install all the hardy updates up-to-date using Update Manager. linux-image-2.6.25-15-generic will be installed in the update process. Be sure to remove the IDE drivers you added to /etc/initramfs-tools/modules before starting to update. You'll then find out whether pata_via is working properly for VIA_82C586_1. If it does not work for you, you can file another bug report. Wenzhuo -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Please keep the old IDE chipset drivers so that external CD writers can work
Rick Knight wrote: I've removed/commented everything from /etc/initramfs-tools/modules except via82cxxx ide_generic ide_disk ide_cd And I've run $update-initramfs -c -k 2.6.22-14-generic. I still can't boot the 2.6.22-14-generic kernel but now I can see my CDrom and DVD drives. They were not loading before, but are now, so I think we're on the right track. It seems like there is still a module or driver missing. Any other ideas? It's becoming difficult to track your problem. You may want to file a separate bug report at https://bugs.launchpad.net/, and attach the dmesg, lspci -vvn and lshw output to it when running the feisty kernel. For the Gutsy boot messages, you can boot into single-user mode, and take a screenshot of the failure messages using a digital camera, and then attach it to the bug report as well. Do it twice with and without preloading ide drivers in initramfs. I do plan on downloading the 8.04 live CD this weekend as you suggested. Wenzhuo -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Please keep the old IDE chipset drivers so that external CD writers can work
Wenzhuo Zhang wrote: Rick Knight wrote: I've removed/commented everything from /etc/initramfs-tools/modules except via82cxxx ide_generic ide_disk ide_cd And I've run $update-initramfs -c -k 2.6.22-14-generic. I still can't boot the 2.6.22-14-generic kernel but now I can see my CDrom and DVD drives. They were not loading before, but are now, so I think we're on the right track. It seems like there is still a module or driver missing. Any other ideas? It's becoming difficult to track your problem. You may want to file a separate bug report at https://bugs.launchpad.net/, and attach the dmesg, lspci -vvn and lshw output to it when running the feisty kernel. For the Gutsy boot messages, you can boot into single-user mode, and take a screenshot of the failure messages using a digital camera, and then attach it to the bug report as well. Do it twice with and without preloading ide drivers in initramfs. I do plan on downloading the 8.04 live CD this weekend as you suggested. Wenzhuo Wenzhou, thanks for your help. As you suggested, I have just submitted a bug report to launchpad / ubuntu with the output of dmesg, lspci -vvn and lshw attached along with a second comment with the screen shot attached. It is bug report number 212042 (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/212042). Thanks, Rick Knight -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Please keep the old IDE chipset drivers so that external CD writers can work
Wenzhuo Zhang wrote: Rick Knight wrote: I've removed/commented everything from /etc/initramfs-tools/modules except via82cxxx ide_generic ide_disk ide_cd And I've run $update-initramfs -c -k 2.6.22-14-generic. I still can't boot the 2.6.22-14-generic kernel but now I can see my CDrom and DVD drives. They were not loading before, but are now, so I think we're on the right track. It seems like there is still a module or driver missing. Any other ideas? It's becoming difficult to track your problem. You may want to file a separate bug report at https://bugs.launchpad.net/, and attach the dmesg, lspci -vvn and lshw output to it when running the feisty kernel. For the Gutsy boot messages, you can boot into single-user mode, and take a screenshot of the failure messages using a digital camera, and then attach it to the bug report as well. Do it twice with and without preloading ide drivers in initramfs. I do plan on downloading the 8.04 live CD this weekend as you suggested. Wenzhuo Wenzhuo, I downloaded the Kubuntu 8.04 Desktop CD ISO, burned the ISO and booted. It DOES install my hard drives as /dev/hd devices, not /dev/sd and I can access them without any problem, so whatever is causing my problem with Gutsy, has been fixed in Hardy. Also, I think tells me my Via controller is not compatible with libata. Thanks, Rick -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Please keep the old IDE chipset drivers so that external CD writers can work
No, something else is going on here. usb-storage is entirely unrelated to the IDE subsystem, so doesn't care whether you're using libata or not. Something else is triggering this bug. -- Matthew Garrett | [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Please keep the old IDE chipset drivers so that external CD writers can work
Wenzhuo Zhang wrote: Rick Knight wrote: boot the 2.6.22.14-generic kernel? I have a 4 year old Soyo motherboard with Via chipset. Can I rebuild the kernel to get this older IDE support? I can still boot into my Feisty kernel. If your chipset is not supported by libata, and you want rebuild the kernel to add the old drivers back, following the instructions on this web page: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile Wenzhuo After doing a lot of comparing between my desktop at work, my notebook and my desktop at home, I'm beginning to think that the problem is the chipset in my desktop at home is not supported by libata. The motherboard in the PC is about 4 years old and has a Via VT82C568A/B, VT82C686A/B, VT823x/A/C chipset. When I boot the Feisty kernel, libata and ata_generic are being loaded but are not being used... $ lsmod | grep ata ata_generic9902 0 libata 125720 ata_generic scsi_mod142348 libata,sg,st,aic7xxx,scsi_transport_spi This tells me that libata is being using by ata_generic, but ata_generic isn't being used. Also, lsmod shows that ide_disk is being used... $ lsmod | grep ide ide_cd 32672 0 cdrom 37664 1 ide_cd ide_disk17024 5 I think this tells me that this kernel is using IDE_DISK and not ATA_GENERIC. Neither my desktop PC at work nor my notebook PC load the IDE_DISK. They both use ATA_PIIX. I've looked for a Via ATA module in the kernel source, but all I can find is SATA_VIA and this module is installed but doesn't seem to work (I don't have serial ata drives). Am I correct in this? If I am correct, how can I fix this problem? Is there a Via ata driver I'm not seeing? Thanks, Rick -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Please keep the old IDE chipset drivers so that external CD writers can work
Matthew Garrett wrote: No, something else is going on here. usb-storage is entirely unrelated to the IDE subsystem, so doesn't care whether you're using libata or not. Something else is triggering this bug. usb-storage is indeed unrelated to the IDE subsystem. However, both libata and usb-storage are implemented on top of the SCSI layer. You cannot reach the conclusion that this bug is completely unrelated to libata. On the contrary, I have a proof that it's related to libata to some degree: the workaround to this problem is to load IDE drivers instead of libata drivers. See bug #109211 for details. Probably libata steps on the foot of usb-storage. My point is that the kernel team should look into this issue, because external CD/DVD writers are common hardware gadgets. If the bug cannot be resolved in time, just keep the old IDE drivers and let libata drivers take precedence. The problem Rick Knight's having with his motherboard is another reason to keep the old IDE drivers. Wenzhuo -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Please keep the old IDE chipset drivers so that external CD writers can work
Rick Knight wrote: I'll file the bug report as you, suggest, tonight or this weekend. But until I hear a respones to the bug report, is there anyway to force the newer kernel to setup drives by path with hdxn instead of sdxn? Also, if I do rebuild the kernel, which module(s) do I need to activate? It seems to me that VIA82Cxxx chipset support is included in the Gutsy kernel image. BLK_DEV_VIA82CXXX is enabled as a module in /boot/config-2.6.22-14-generic. Try adding the following lines to /etc/initramfs-tools/modules: via82cxxx ide-disk ide-cd ide-generic and then type: $ sudo update-initramfs -u -k 2.6.22-14-generic After that, reboot into the Gutsy kernel. If you can now successfully boot the Gutsy kernel, libata is to blame. ;) Wenzhuo -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Please keep the old IDE chipset drivers so that external CD writers can work
Wenzhuo Zhang wrote: Rick Knight wrote: I'll file the bug report as you, suggest, tonight or this weekend. But until I hear a respones to the bug report, is there anyway to force the newer kernel to setup drives by path with hdxn instead of sdxn? Also, if I do rebuild the kernel, which module(s) do I need to activate? It seems to me that VIA82Cxxx chipset support is included in the Gutsy kernel image. BLK_DEV_VIA82CXXX is enabled as a module in /boot/config-2.6.22-14-generic. Try adding the following lines to /etc/initramfs-tools/modules: via82cxxx ide-disk ide-cd ide-generic and then type: $ sudo update-initramfs -u -k 2.6.22-14-generic After that, reboot into the Gutsy kernel. If you can now successfully boot the Gutsy kernel, libata is to blame. ;) Wenzhuo Wenzhuo, That's almost done it. I can see my two CD drives, /dev/hdc and /dev/hdd. It seems that something else is still missing, or maybe I need to take something out. Would anything else be effected by taking out libata? Thanks again, Rick Knight -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Please keep the old IDE chipset drivers so that external CD writers can work
Rick Knight wrote: That's almost done it. I can see my two CD drives, /dev/hdc and /dev/hdd. It seems that something else is still missing, or maybe I need to take something out. Would anything else be effected by taking out libata? /etc/initramfs-tools/modules should be empty by default. libata drivers are loaded by the scripts in the initramfs image of Gutsy. By adding IDE drivers to /etc/initramfs-tools/modules, IDE drivers get loaded first. Therefore you should remove anything related to libata in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules. If it fixes your problem, join my petition to keep the old IDE chipset drivers. :) I suggest you try the Hardy beta desktop CD to find out if the problem is still there. http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/hardy/beta Wenzhuo -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Please keep the old IDE chipset drivers so that external CD writers can work
Hi, Starting from Gutsy, the old IDE chipset drivers are no longer included in the kernel package. The libata based drivers, being cleaner and easier to maintain, have taken the places of the old drivers. However, external CD writers don't work with the new libata based IDE drivers. Please see bug report #109211 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/109211 for details. Considering that external CD/DVD writers are widely used hardware, I suggest keep the old IDE drivers until this bug is fixed, so that users can still use their external CD/DVD writers in Ubuntu after very little manual configuration. They should not conflict with anything if not loaded. Wenzhuo -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
