Re: Impact of removing ubuntu-server metapackage

2021-08-23 Thread Oliver Grawert
hi,
Am Montag, dem 23.08.2021 um 15:30 +1200 schrieb Michael Hudson-Doyle:
> 
> > 
> > I am wondering exactly how ubuntu-server is related to ensuring
> > proper upgrades. If I choose to use systemd-coredump and ubuntu-
> > server gets removed as a side effect, will that cause trouble if I
> > want to upgrade or dist-upgrade at some point in the future?
> > 
> 
> The main thing is that you won't get any packages that have been
> added to Ubuntu server in the new version. For example multipath-
> tools got added to the default install between 18.04 and 20.04 -- if
> ubuntu-server is still present on the system, upgrading will cause
> multipath-tools to be installed, if the metapackage has been removed
> then it won't.
> 
doesn't do-release-upgrade re-install the meta packages anymore before
the upgrade (it used to) ... 

theoretically removing the meta package should have no effect on
upgrades (apart from the fact that they are back after a release to
release upgrade) if you do them with do-release-upgrade.

ciao
oli


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Re: Impact of removing ubuntu-server metapackage

2021-08-22 Thread Michael Hudson-Doyle
On Fri, 20 Aug 2021 at 10:55, Matthew Smith  wrote:

>
> Hello,
>
> I have a handful of applications that will run on a ubuntu 20.04 server
> install. I want to be able to manage core files that could be generated if
> any of those applications crash using systemd-coredump. I noticed that when
> I install systemd-coredump, it removes apport and ubuntu-server. Both
> systemd-coredump and apport provide "core-dump-handler" so systemd-coredump
> and apport have a conflict which results in apport being removed. Since
> ubuntu-server has a dependency on apport it's removed when apport is
> removed.
>
> The description of ubuntu-server says:
>
>  This package depends on all of the packages in the Ubuntu Server system
> .
>  It is also used to help ensure proper upgrades, so it is recommended
> that it not be removed.
>
>
> I am wondering exactly how ubuntu-server is related to ensuring proper
> upgrades. If I choose to use systemd-coredump and ubuntu-server gets
> removed as a side effect, will that cause trouble if I want to upgrade or
> dist-upgrade at some point in the future?
>

The main thing is that you won't get any packages that have been added to
Ubuntu server in the new version. For example multipath-tools got added to
the default install between 18.04 and 20.04 -- if ubuntu-server is still
present on the system, upgrading will cause multipath-tools to be
installed, if the metapackage has been removed then it won't.

Cheers,
mwh
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