Re: Proposal for apt install-recommends settings
Am 27.10.2008 um 23:26 schrieb Christopher James Halse Rogers: On Mon, 2008-10-27 at 20:03 +0100, Markus Hitter wrote: ... snip ... Perhaps you've seen it already, Synaptic has such a switch in it's preferences. While this switch isn't ill-placed there, I think it would be an advantage to put this into a more global place, like the sources.list file. Then, the adjustment of this switch would go to the package sources selector accordingly. What would you think about a global switch, without making a hijack- package? Isn't the contents /etc/apt/apt.conf.d already such a global switch? Quite possible. I didn't know about this so far. it seems like it would be more useful to educate the relevant users about the rich apt configuration options available. If you have to educate people even after they looked for some feature, there's something wrong. Perhaps the feature set of apt friends is richer than it is useful? MarKus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Proposal for apt install-recommends settings
Am 28.10.2008 um 07:19 schrieb Mario Vukelic: shouldn't such users be expected of being capable of reading man apt-get, man apt.conf, man aptitude and the like? I would think so. Those man pages a huge, you can easily fill a day reading and comparing them. And IMHO, reading through those man pages I can't see any options that pop out as useless. The existence of aptitude duplicates a lot of what apt-get can do already. I've yet to find a case where aptitude is actually needed. MarKus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Proposal for apt install-recommends settings
Hi all, I am also in the favor of having recommends removed or switched off. I saw the /etc/apt/apt.conf.d but that is a diretory. Kindly tell what as a user am I supposed to do that in the directory. As far as aptitude is concerned, yes it duplicates what apt-get does but it also does what apt-cache does as well . So functioning of both the tools can be done by one CLI . There is one command which I know in aptitude which I haven't seen in the manual of apt-get That's sudo aptitude safe-upgrade which is good. -- Regards, Shirish Agarwal This email is licensed under http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/3.0/ 065C 6D79 A68C E7EA 52B3 8D70 950D 53FB 729A 8B17 -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Proposal for apt install-recommends settings
On Tue, 2008-10-28 at 21:11 +0530, shirish wrote: That's sudo aptitude safe-upgrade which is good. apt-get update and full-upgrade is the same as dist-upgrade -- Mackenzie Morgan http://ubuntulinuxtipstricks.blogspot.com apt-get moo signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Proposal for apt install-recommends settings
Am 24.10.2008 um 16:07 schrieb vidd: In Intrepid (8.10), this behavior has changed. Now recommends are being treated as depends. For the majority of users, this is tolerable. However, for some users, particularly net-device users, low-spec servers, and minimalists, this is a heavy burden. I share this view, there are plenty of situations where you really don't want to waste disk space and/or processor cycles. I have a proposal that would easily remove this burden for the user that wishes to not install recommends by default, and yet easily enable the install recommends for those that want it: Perhaps you've seen it already, Synaptic has such a switch in it's preferences. While this switch isn't ill-placed there, I think it would be an advantage to put this into a more global place, like the sources.list file. Then, the adjustment of this switch would go to the package sources selector accordingly. What would you think about a global switch, without making a hijack- package? MarKus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Proposal for apt install-recommends settings
Because I suck, here's the mail I accidentally privately sent. On Mon, 2008-10-27 at 20:03 +0100, Markus Hitter wrote: ... snip ... Perhaps you've seen it already, Synaptic has such a switch in it's preferences. While this switch isn't ill-placed there, I think it would be an advantage to put this into a more global place, like the sources.list file. Then, the adjustment of this switch would go to the package sources selector accordingly. What would you think about a global switch, without making a hijack- package? Isn't the contents /etc/apt/apt.conf.d already such a global switch? Would you like a low-priority debconf question to more easily toggle this (I have no idea how acceptable such a question would be; I suspect it would be frowned upon)? All the tools have the ability to override global preferences too (--without-recommends for aptitude, for example). I'm not sure that installing/removing a package to flip a config switch is particularly elegant - it seems like it would be more useful to educate the relevant users about the rich apt configuration options available. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
