Re: ENCFS Hardy->ibex migration

[(``-_-´´) -- Fernando]

Olá Mackenzie e a todos.

On Saturday 25 October 2008 18:07:03 Mackenzie Morgan wrote:
> On Sat, 2008-10-25 at 12:41 +0100, (``-_-´´) -- Fernando wrote:
> > I know we are really close to release, but either we fix bug 234818 [1], or 
> > add it to Release Notes, and put some hook on Update-manager, or we will 
> > have several[2] users losing access to their files, with no easy way of 
> > getting them back (sure, Hardy LiveCD could do the job).
> 
> For future reference, when you think something needs a mention in the
> release notes, mark it as "also affects project...ubuntu-release-notes".
> I just did it for this bug.

Yeah, I knew there was some way of doing it, but couldn't remember.
Still, since Hardy is LTS, users are going to be faced with this problem until 
its fixed, on every release we have.


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Boot times,services and packages

[shirish]

Hi all,
   There are three services which on my system which just take
cycles other than doing anything. (or so I believe)

a. nvidia-kernel (no nvidia card so useless)
b. bluetooth (no support for bluetooth in the motherboard, so useless again)
c. laptop-mode ( this is a desktop, although do have a UPS)

so why is it in the boot-sequence taking all those precious cycles?

Can't we make our boot-up infrastructure more intelligent so it stops
those services for which hardware is not there or not present.

Another issue is now  I have three tools like bum (boot-up manager) or
sys-rc-conf or System > Administration > Services (although the last
one is just for stopping or starting services

Now which one is recommended for doing stuff although like bum.

If there has been some discussion on this which I'm unaware please
point out the same to me.
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ConsoleKit (0.2.10) / PolicyKit / Security hole

[Justin Brisson]

Could you please give a brief discription of what exactly this is?

thanks much!

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Question

[Marc DG]

Hello!

i have a my Alienware M15x i want
 install Ubuntu 8.10   ( because i am tire for Vista: virus :/ )

problem: it is possible? is compatible? work well with sound to? Hibernate ?

i see in forum:



Re: Alienware m15x anyone ?








Some instability with ubuntu:

- Hibernate seems crashing the computer

- No sound with external speaker. 



Shame for the external speaker i'm using it a lot...



And don't want to reinstall a fedora. Too Lazy!.


Thank you for of your answer!  

Regard

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pidgin-otr_3.2.0-1_i386.deb not working

[Bryan]

Hello I'm having problems getting this package to work with the latest
pidgin.
The details are are in the link below:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=955714


If I emailed this problem to the wrong place can you please point me in the
right direction.

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Proposal for apt install-recommends settings

[vidd]

As was done in Debian, Ubuntu has elected to modify the default handling 
of recommended packages.
In Hardy (8.04) apt-config dump shows the default setting
   APT::Install-Recommends "0";
This has the result of apt-get listing recommended items, but not 
installing these items by default.

In Intrepid (8.10), this behavior has changed. Now recommends are being 
treated as depends.
For the majority of users, this is tolerable.
However, for some users, particularly net-device users, low-spec 
servers, and minimalists, this is a heavy burden.

I have a proposal that would easily remove this burden for the user that 
wishes to not install recommends by default, and yet easily enable the 
install recommends for those that want it:

1.) Set up apt to not install recommends in the default configuration
2.) Create a package that writes the following:
 APT::Install-Recommends "1" ;
3.) Have that package save this as 
"/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/01[SomeFileName]"  (ie 
"/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/01AptRecommends")

The benefits are:
   The user who does a cli-only install and builds the system up from 
there (server user, minimalist, etc) are not forced to install packages 
that are "works best with" (recommends) unless they choose to add them
   The Disto Packager, at their option, can simply add this package to 
the "won't work without" (depends) list of their respective -desktop 
package
   The "Tweeker" can easily locate and remove the package (and thus the 
file)
from a desktop install, or locate and add the package (and thus the 
file) from a server or cli install


For those users, like myself, that would like to not have Recommends 
installed by default, simply create a file in /etc/apt/apt.cong.d with 
the following line:
  APT::Install-Recommends "0"
The file should be named in the following format
  [number from 00 to 99][text]
such as "01AptRecommendsNo"


Thank you
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Re: Surprises ...

[Hervé Fache]

I find this one (https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/286858) quite
problematic for Kubuntu: Gwenview destroys EXIF info from JPEGs...

Hervé

2008/10/23 Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> ... we'd rather not have any. Release preparation is a painstaking
> business! Please read this mail carefully.
>
> Right now, this is our list of release-critical bugs (that *must* be
> fixed or deferred before release):
>
>  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+bugs?field.milestone=1326
>
> We're also paying a good deal of attention to the list that includes
> targets of opportunity as well:
>
>  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+bugs
>
> As we come up towards release, we need to be especially careful about
> managing these lists, and developers can help by making sure that they
> contain all the relevant bugs, and *only* the relevant bugs. Here are
> some general guidelines for release-relevant bug management:
>
>  * If you have an important bug on your plate that should be fixed for
>8.10 final but that isn't on /ubuntu/intrepid/+bugs, then we need to
>know about it NOW. Nominate or target it for the intrepid release
>(depending on your privileges), and find a member of the
>ubuntu-release team on IRC to acknowledge it. Depending on the size
>of the package and the riskiness of the update, we may say no or
>suggest some kind of alternative, but we'd much rather know than be
>surprised.
>
>  * If you have any kind of upload to do before 8.10 final, then get it
>into the upload queue *as soon as possible* (it will be held there
>for approval). Anything uploaded later than the end of this week has
>a substantially decreased chance of being accepted, as at the start
>of next week we will need to lock down the archive completely for
>final builds and testing, and there is little room for error.
>
>As far as main and restricted go, this is generally only appropriate
>for language packs and critical/high targeted bugs; contact the
>ubuntu-release team in case of doubt. For universe and multiverse,
>contact motu-release or the relevant flavour delegate (see
>https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2008-September/026306.html).
>Resist the temptation to bundle non-release-critical fixes with your
>upload; those increase both the risk of regressions and the risk
>that the release team will say no.
>
>  * If the bug is on /ubuntu/intrepid/+bugs and isn't going to be fixed
>in the 8.10 series at all (neither in the main release, nor in an
>update) then mark the intrepid task "Won't Fix". If necessary,
>Launchpad will create a new task filed against the relevant package
>without a release when you do this.
>
>  * If the bug is on /ubuntu/intrepid/+bugs and won't be fixed in the
>main 8.10 release, but is expected to be fixed in a post-release
>update, then set the 'intrepid-updates' milestone.
>
>  * If the bug isn't going to be fixed for 8.10 but its presence is
>likely to cause trouble for a significant number of users, then
>consider whether it deserves a release note. If so, add a task on
>the 'ubuntu-release-notes' project, and provide sample text if
>possible (see my previous mail).
>
> Thanks,
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Re: Question

[Peteris Krisjanis]

If you would read all thread in UF, you would saw this:
http://www.crapules.com/wordpress/2008/06/02/alienware-m15x-and-ubuntu/
So it can be fixed easily for Hardy. And I think Ubuntu 8.10 will have
this fixed already, as it will have newest ALSA fixes.

Cheers,
Just my two euro cents,
Peter.

2008/10/22 Marc DG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Hello!
>
> i have a my Alienware M15x i want install Ubuntu 8.10   ( because i am tire
> for Vista: virus :/ )
>
> problem: it is possible? is compatible? work well with sound to? Hibernate ?
>
> i see in forum:
>
> Re: Alienware m15x anyone ?
> 
> Some instability with ubuntu:
> - Hibernate seems crashing the computer
> - No sound with external speaker.
>
> Shame for the external speaker i'm using it a lot...
>
> And don't want to reinstall a fedora. Too Lazy!.
>
>
> Thank you for of your answer!
>
> Regard
>
> Marc
>
>
> 
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Re: Boot times,services and packages

[shirish]

On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 16:55, shirish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi all,
>   There are three services which on my system which just take
> cycles other than doing anything. (or so I believe)
>
> a. nvidia-kernel (no nvidia card so useless)
> b. bluetooth (no support for bluetooth in the motherboard, so useless again)
> c. laptop-mode ( this is a desktop, although do have a UPS)
>
> so why is it in the boot-sequence taking all those precious cycles?
>
> Can't we make our boot-up infrastructure more intelligent so it stops
> those services for which hardware is not there or not present.
>
> Another issue is now  I have three tools like bum (boot-up manager) or
> sys-rc-conf or System > Administration > Services (although the last
> one is just for stopping or starting services
>
> Now which one is recommended for doing stuff although like bum.
>
> If there has been some discussion on this which I'm unaware please
> point out the same to me.
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Re: poor performance hard disk IDE

[Stefano Doni]

Hi,
 I can confirm this.

Check out this bug I opened regarding Intrepid, but unfortunately it seems
that no one has looked at it yet:

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/285595

Problem exists since Hardy, Gutsy IO bandwidth performance was *double*
(measured, not feels).

2008/10/18 shirish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Hi all,
>  There is a bug regardig poor performance hard disk IDE which has
> been filed a year back
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/96693
> . The bug seems to be still relevant as my experience shows
>
>
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/96693/comments/42
>
> Can somebody see any issue with my reasoning or anything please lemme know.
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Re: poor performance hard disk IDE

[shirish]

Hi Stefano,
 It seems I missed that. Mine is an IDE hdd, is yours the same or a
SATA disk. Please mention what kind of hdd it is on the bug which you
have put up.
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Re: Boot times,services and packages

[Mackenzie Morgan]

On Mon, 2008-10-27 at 16:55 +0530, shirish wrote:
> Hi all,
>There are three services which on my system which just take
> cycles other than doing anything. (or so I believe)
> 
> a. nvidia-kernel (no nvidia card so useless)
> b. bluetooth (no support for bluetooth in the motherboard, so useless again)
> c. laptop-mode ( this is a desktop, although do have a UPS)

I've asked about Bluetooth on a non-bluetooth mobo before, and it was
pointed out that since you can have a Bluetooth USB dongle, getting rid
of the computer's ability to notice that you plugged one in might not be
a good thing.

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Re: Boot times,services and packages

[shirish]

Reply in-line :-

On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 22:43, Mackenzie Morgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, 2008-10-27 at 16:55 +0530, shirish wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>There are three services which on my system which just take
>> cycles other than doing anything. (or so I believe)
>>
>> a. nvidia-kernel (no nvidia card so useless)
>> b. bluetooth (no support for bluetooth in the motherboard, so useless again)
>> c. laptop-mode ( this is a desktop, although do have a UPS)
>
> I've asked about Bluetooth on a non-bluetooth mobo before, and it was
> pointed out that since you can have a Bluetooth USB dongle, getting rid
> of the computer's ability to notice that you plugged one in might not be
> a good thing.

Hi Mackenzie,
 Thank you for getting back to me on this. That's understandable,
although very unlikely if I may say so. In the same way I could
understand about nvidia-kernel, but laptop-mode (laptop-mode-tools
package) , any idea?

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Re: Boot times,services and packages

[Mackenzie Morgan]

On Mon, 2008-10-27 at 23:00 +0530, shirish wrote:
> Reply in-line :-
> 
> On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 22:43, Mackenzie Morgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Mon, 2008-10-27 at 16:55 +0530, shirish wrote:
> >> Hi all,
> >>There are three services which on my system which just take
> >> cycles other than doing anything. (or so I believe)
> >>
> >> a. nvidia-kernel (no nvidia card so useless)
> >> b. bluetooth (no support for bluetooth in the motherboard, so useless 
> >> again)
> >> c. laptop-mode ( this is a desktop, although do have a UPS)
> >
> > I've asked about Bluetooth on a non-bluetooth mobo before, and it was
> > pointed out that since you can have a Bluetooth USB dongle, getting rid
> > of the computer's ability to notice that you plugged one in might not be
> > a good thing.
> 
> Hi Mackenzie,
>  Thank you for getting back to me on this. That's understandable,
> although very unlikely if I may say so. 

Not really...ever check in a computer store?  At least 3-5 models of
BT-USB dongles.

> In the same way I could
> understand about nvidia-kernel, but laptop-mode (laptop-mode-tools
> package) , any idea?

How do you expect the OS to tell the shape of the computer's case?

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Re: ConsoleKit (0.2.10) / PolicyKit / Security hole

[Martin Pitt]

hi Justin,

Justin Brisson [2008-10-26 21:40 -0400]:
> Could you please give a brief discription of what exactly this is?

Could you please give a brief description of what exactly you are
asking? :-)

ConsoleKit homepage and docs:
http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/ConsoleKit

PolicyKit homepage and docs:
http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/PolicyKit

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Re: Boot times,services and packages

[shirish]

Hi all,
  From what I understand many or most of the chips used in the laptop
are different from normal desktops. I'm sure a combination of
two-three chips and things could make the OS know its a lappy not a
desktop or vice-versa . Isn't that possible?

After two or three boots when it has an idea its a desktop or a laptop
then only those tools it would boot up.

I dunno if this is possible or not or is it all science fiction/garbage.

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Re: Boot times,services and packages

[Mackenzie Morgan]

On Tue, 2008-10-28 at 00:06 +0530, shirish wrote:
> Hi all,
>   From what I understand many or most of the chips used in the laptop
> are different from normal desktops. I'm sure a combination of
> two-three chips and things could make the OS know its a lappy not a
> desktop or vice-versa . Isn't that possible?

I'm just thinking it'd be a very very long list to check through since
there's *so much* hardware out there...

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Re: Proposal for apt install-recommends settings

[Markus Hitter]

Am 24.10.2008 um 16:07 schrieb vidd:

> In Intrepid (8.10), this behavior has changed. Now recommends are  
> being
> treated as depends.
> For the majority of users, this is tolerable.
> However, for some users, particularly net-device users, low-spec
> servers, and minimalists, this is a heavy burden.

I share this view, there are plenty of situations where you really  
don't want to waste disk space and/or processor cycles.


> I have a proposal that would easily remove this burden for the user  
> that
> wishes to not install recommends by default, and yet easily enable the
> install recommends for those that want it:

Perhaps you've seen it already, Synaptic has such a switch in it's  
preferences. While this switch isn't ill-placed there, I think it  
would be an advantage to put this into a more global place, like the  
sources.list file. Then, the adjustment of this switch would go to  
the package sources selector accordingly.

What would you think about a global switch, without making a hijack- 
package?


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Re: Boot times,services and packages

[Markus Hitter]

Am 27.10.2008 um 18:13 schrieb Mackenzie Morgan:

> On Mon, 2008-10-27 at 16:55 +0530, shirish wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>There are three services which on my system which just take
>> cycles other than doing anything. (or so I believe)
>>
>> a. nvidia-kernel (no nvidia card so useless)
>> b. bluetooth (no support for bluetooth in the motherboard, so  
>> useless again)
>> c. laptop-mode ( this is a desktop, although do have a UPS)
>
> I've asked about Bluetooth on a non-bluetooth mobo before, and it was
> pointed out that since you can have a Bluetooth USB dongle, getting  
> rid
> of the computer's ability to notice that you plugged one in might  
> not be
> a good thing.

As I can plug in such a dongle at any time, where's the urgent need  
to search for one at boot time?

The solution in the bluetooth arena would probably to initialize the  
mechanism, but to move the search for an actual device to the  
background.


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Re: Boot times,services and packages

[Mackenzie Morgan]

On Mon, 2008-10-27 at 20:09 +0100, Markus Hitter wrote:
> Am 27.10.2008 um 18:13 schrieb Mackenzie Morgan:
> 
> > On Mon, 2008-10-27 at 16:55 +0530, shirish wrote:
> >> Hi all,
> >>There are three services which on my system which just take
> >> cycles other than doing anything. (or so I believe)
> >>
> >> a. nvidia-kernel (no nvidia card so useless)
> >> b. bluetooth (no support for bluetooth in the motherboard, so  
> >> useless again)
> >> c. laptop-mode ( this is a desktop, although do have a UPS)
> >
> > I've asked about Bluetooth on a non-bluetooth mobo before, and it was
> > pointed out that since you can have a Bluetooth USB dongle, getting  
> > rid
> > of the computer's ability to notice that you plugged one in might  
> > not be
> > a good thing.
> 
> As I can plug in such a dongle at any time, where's the urgent need  
> to search for one at boot time?
> 
> The solution in the bluetooth arena would probably to initialize the  
> mechanism, but to move the search for an actual device to the  
> background.

Isn't that what it does? It just starts up the service that watches for
a dongle.

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Re: Boot times,services and packages

[Markus Hitter]

Am 27.10.2008 um 20:11 schrieb Mackenzie Morgan:

> On Mon, 2008-10-27 at 20:09 +0100, Markus Hitter wrote:
>> Am 27.10.2008 um 18:13 schrieb Mackenzie Morgan:
>>
>>> On Mon, 2008-10-27 at 16:55 +0530, shirish wrote:
 Hi all,
There are three services which on my system which just take
 cycles other than doing anything. (or so I believe)

 a. nvidia-kernel (no nvidia card so useless)
 b. bluetooth (no support for bluetooth in the motherboard, so
 useless again)
 c. laptop-mode ( this is a desktop, although do have a UPS)
>>>
>>> I've asked about Bluetooth on a non-bluetooth mobo before, and it  
>>> was
>>> pointed out that since you can have a Bluetooth USB dongle, getting
>>> rid
>>> of the computer's ability to notice that you plugged one in might
>>> not be
>>> a good thing.
>>
>> As I can plug in such a dongle at any time, where's the urgent need
>> to search for one at boot time?
>>
>> The solution in the bluetooth arena would probably to initialize the
>> mechanism, but to move the search for an actual device to the
>> background.
>
> Isn't that what it does? It just starts up the service that watches  
> for
> a dongle.

What's the OP complaining about, then? I must admit, I didn't do my  
own benchmarks.


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Re: Boot times,services and packages

[Mackenzie Morgan]

On Mon, 2008-10-27 at 20:22 +0100, Markus Hitter wrote:
> Am 27.10.2008 um 20:11 schrieb Mackenzie Morgan:
> 
> > On Mon, 2008-10-27 at 20:09 +0100, Markus Hitter wrote:
> >> Am 27.10.2008 um 18:13 schrieb Mackenzie Morgan:
> >>
> >>> On Mon, 2008-10-27 at 16:55 +0530, shirish wrote:
>  Hi all,
> There are three services which on my system which just take
>  cycles other than doing anything. (or so I believe)
> 
>  a. nvidia-kernel (no nvidia card so useless)
>  b. bluetooth (no support for bluetooth in the motherboard, so
>  useless again)
>  c. laptop-mode ( this is a desktop, although do have a UPS)
> >>>
> >>> I've asked about Bluetooth on a non-bluetooth mobo before, and it  
> >>> was
> >>> pointed out that since you can have a Bluetooth USB dongle, getting
> >>> rid
> >>> of the computer's ability to notice that you plugged one in might
> >>> not be
> >>> a good thing.
> >>
> >> As I can plug in such a dongle at any time, where's the urgent need
> >> to search for one at boot time?
> >>
> >> The solution in the bluetooth arena would probably to initialize the
> >> mechanism, but to move the search for an actual device to the
> >> background.
> >
> > Isn't that what it does? It just starts up the service that watches  
> > for
> > a dongle.
> 
> What's the OP complaining about, then? I must admit, I didn't do my  
> own benchmarks.

The presence of the services at all on a desktop machine that lacks the
built-in hardware.

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Re: poor performance hard disk IDE

[Charlie Kravetz]

On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 17:43:37 +0100
"Stefano Doni" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi,
>  I can confirm this.
> 
> Check out this bug I opened regarding Intrepid, but unfortunately it
> seems that no one has looked at it yet:
> 
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/285595
> 
> Problem exists since Hardy, Gutsy IO bandwidth performance was
> *double* (measured, not feels).
> 
> 2008/10/18 shirish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> > Hi all,
> >  There is a bug regardig poor performance hard disk IDE which has
> > been filed a year back
> > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/96693
> > . The bug seems to be still relevant as my experience shows
> >
> >
> > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/96693/comments/42
> >
> > Can somebody see any issue with my reasoning or anything please
> > lemme know. --
> >  Regards,
> >  Shirish Agarwal
> >  This email is licensed under
> > http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/3.0/
> >
> > 065C 6D79 A68C E7EA 52B3  8D70 950D 53FB 729A 8B17

When I read this bug, bug #285595, it appears to be filed against
Hardy? Please give more information in the bug report, such as what
version of Ubuntu, if it is intrepid, which ISO image. 

Also, take a look at Debugging Procedures,
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProcedures
and see if any attachments are needed. The more information given, the
better chance the bug gets worked.

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Re: Proposal for apt install-recommends settings

[Christopher James Halse Rogers]

Because I suck, here's the mail I accidentally privately sent.

On Mon, 2008-10-27 at 20:03 +0100, Markus Hitter wrote:
...
snip
...
>Perhaps you've seen it already, Synaptic has such a switch in it's  
> preferences. While this switch isn't ill-placed there, I think it  
> would be an advantage to put this into a more global place, like the  
> sources.list file. Then, the adjustment of this switch would go to  
> the package sources selector accordingly.
>
> What would you think about a global switch, without making a hijack- 
> package?
> 
Isn't the contents /etc/apt/apt.conf.d already such a global switch?
Would you like a low-priority debconf question to more easily toggle
this (I have no idea how acceptable such a question would be; I suspect
it would be frowned upon)?  All the tools have the ability to override
global preferences too (--without-recommends for aptitude, for example).

I'm not sure that installing/removing a package to flip a config switch
is particularly elegant - it seems like it would be more useful to
educate the relevant users about the rich apt configuration options
available.



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Re: ENCFS Hardy->ibex migration

[Brian Murray]

On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 08:37:10AM +, (``-_-´´) -- Fernando wrote:
> Olá Mackenzie e a todos.
> 
> On Saturday 25 October 2008 18:07:03 Mackenzie Morgan wrote:
> > On Sat, 2008-10-25 at 12:41 +0100, (``-_-´´) -- Fernando wrote:
> > > I know we are really close to release, but either we fix bug 234818 [1], 
> > > or add it to Release Notes, and put some hook on Update-manager, or we 
> > > will have several[2] users losing access to their files, with no easy way 
> > > of getting them back (sure, Hardy LiveCD could do the job).
> > 
> > For future reference, when you think something needs a mention in the
> > release notes, mark it as "also affects project...ubuntu-release-notes".
> > I just did it for this bug.
> 
> Yeah, I knew there was some way of doing it, but couldn't remember.
> Still, since Hardy is LTS, users are going to be faced with this problem 
> until its fixed, on every release we have.

It'd help if somebody could take a stab at writing the release notes
too.

Thanks,
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Re: Proposal for apt install-recommends settings

[Markus Hitter]

Am 27.10.2008 um 23:26 schrieb Christopher James Halse Rogers:

> On Mon, 2008-10-27 at 20:03 +0100, Markus Hitter wrote:
> ...
> snip
> ...
>> Perhaps you've seen it already, Synaptic has such a switch in it's
>> preferences. While this switch isn't ill-placed there, I think it
>> would be an advantage to put this into a more global place, like the
>> sources.list file. Then, the adjustment of this switch would go to
>> the package sources selector accordingly.
>>
>> What would you think about a global switch, without making a hijack-
>> package?
>>
> Isn't the contents /etc/apt/apt.conf.d already such a global switch?

Quite possible. I didn't know about this so far.

> it seems like it would be more useful to educate the relevant users  
> about the rich apt configuration options available.

If you have to educate people even after they looked for some  
feature, there's something wrong. Perhaps the feature set of apt &  
friends is richer than it is useful?


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Re: Proposal for apt install-recommends settings

[Mario Vukelic]

On Tue, 2008-10-28 at 07:06 +0100, Markus Hitter wrote:
> If you have to educate people even after they looked for some  
> feature, there's something wrong. Perhaps the feature set of apt &  
> friends is richer than it is useful?

Since the OP targeted his suggestion to "The user who does a cli-only
install and builds the system up from there (server user, minimalist,
etc)", shouldn't such users be expected of being capable of reading man
apt-get, man apt.conf, man aptitude and the like? I would think so.

And IMHO, reading through those man pages I can't see any options that
pop out as useless.


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