discussion of ubuntu-desktop packaging branches

2011-04-10 Thread Martin Pool
Robert pointed out
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-desktop/2011-April/002940.html,
about moving to 'normal mode' of bzr-builddeb, in which the entire
tree is versioned.

 - It is possible to screw up the branches so that bzr merge-package throws a 
 confusing error (I keep doing it).  Perhaps we need some hooks in bzr to stop 
 this from occurring.  If it can be broken, it will be broken (repeatedly).

Robert, could you tell us more about this or file bugs?

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Re: [ubuntu-in] Canonical kills free Ubuntu CD program

2011-04-10 Thread Manish Sinha
On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 8:56 PM, Stereotactic maill...@postinbox.com wrote:
 Exactly. Many new comes are not aware of this pleasant discussion here :)
 Thats one thing I rallied about till it got hijacked :) No offence
 meant!!!

 It's a bad sign but can't be helped though.

The thread was hijacked at your first reply itself, where OP stated
why he is sad about Shipit being stopped and you posted comments. That
comment itself had no relevance to the OP post. It contained
* Unity v/s GNOME
* Rolling release - Debian
* Paid software being bad

Anyway since you did not answer my questions, I conclude you gave up.

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[ubuntu-in] manpages for openGL

2011-04-10 Thread Alok Singh Mahor
Hello,
Is there any package exit for manpages of openGL or/and GLUT?

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Re: [ubuntu-in] Canonical kills free Ubuntu CD program

2011-04-10 Thread Sanjay Bhangar
On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 3:30 PM, Manish Sinha m...@manishsinha.net wrote:

 snip /

 Anyway since you did not answer my questions, I conclude you gave up.


chill, this is not a boxing match :)
I think the discussion was good - it's always good to see some debate and
learn some things in the process.

Am happy to download / burn CDs, Khar / Worli in Mumbai.

cheers,
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Re: [ubuntu-in] Canonical kills free Ubuntu CD program

2011-04-10 Thread Nitesh Mistry
On Thu, Apr 07, 2011 at 08:42:44PM +0530, Onkar Shinde wrote:
 What we need is a good way to distribute the CDs at minimal cost and a
 system to keep track of who has what.
 Should we focus on developing some online app (as part of our website)
 to do this? I am fine with wiki based tracking.

We already have this page [0] where we used to update the CDs that we have.
We can start planning something on the similar lines while designing the
new website.

I hope Maitreya is reading this :)

[0] http://www.ubuntu-in.info/wiki/CDRequest


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Re: [ubuntu-in] Canonical kills free Ubuntu CD program

2011-04-10 Thread Ramnarayan.K
On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 10:24 PM, Nitesh Mistry
mail...@mistrynitesh.net wrote:
 On Thu, Apr 07, 2011 at 08:42:44PM +0530, Onkar Shinde wrote:
 What we need is a good way to distribute the CDs at minimal cost and a
 system to keep track of who has what.
 Should we focus on developing some online app (as part of our website)
 to do this? I am fine with wiki based tracking.

 We already have this page [0] where we used to update the CDs that we have.
 We can start planning something on the similar lines while designing the
 new website.

 I hope Maitreya is reading this :)

 [0] http://www.ubuntu-in.info/wiki/CDRequest

wonder if we could have sponsors for the local cd shipit - not
corporate sponsors but individual sponsors

am willing to put some money into a fund if such a fund is created.

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Re: [ubuntu-in] Canonical kills free Ubuntu CD program

2011-04-10 Thread Nitesh Mistry
On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 10:31:40PM +0530, Ramnarayan.K wrote:
 wonder if we could have sponsors for the local cd shipit - not
 corporate sponsors but individual sponsors
 
 am willing to put some money into a fund if such a fund is created.

Running a centralised shipit program would be too costly as well as
requiring dedicated manpower. Instead a decentralised system like filling
up a wiki page of those who have the CDs and those wanting one is more cost
effective and also improves 'the social network' within the community.

Also, by setting up a shipit like service, people would expect better or
professional artwork on CDs and CD covers which would up the cost further.


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Re: [ubuntu-in] Next monthly LoCo meeting on Wednesday, April 13th at 9 PM IST

2011-04-10 Thread Abhinav Upadhyay
On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 11:36 PM, Nitesh Mistry mail...@mistrynitesh.net wrote:
 Hello all,

 Our next monthly LoCo meeting is planned for Wednesday, April 13th at 9 PM
 IST. As always, everyone is welcome. Feel free to add your topic to the
 agenda [0]. Also check out the minutes of last meeting [1].

 So see you all there :)

 [0] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IndianTeam/Meetings/20110413/Agenda
 [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IndianTeam/Meetings/20110314


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Just recalled that Ubuntu Appdeveloper week will be starting from 9.30
pm IST (If I correctly converted UTC time to IST), it would be good if
we could shift the time of meeting a bit earlier ?

Thanks
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[Ubuntu-QC] Rappel - Atelier-Formation aujourd'hui dimanche: Initiation aux logiciels libres et à GNU/Linux - Outremont/Mile-End

2011-04-10 Thread Fabián Rodríguez

Voir:
http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/716/detail/

Atelier-Formation: Initiation aux logiciels libres et à GNU/Linux
Le dimanche 10 avril 2011 de 14:00 à 16:00

Entrée gratuite - Inscription gratuite pour les membres du réseau des
bibliothèques de Montréal

Apprenez à utiliser, modifier, dupliquer et diffuser ces logiciels
complètement gratuits. Une façon intelligente d'utiliser vos outils
informatiques. Venez même avec vos ordinateurs portables si le coeur
vous en dit. Ces ateliers/conférences se tiennent un dimanche par mois
depuis le 30 janvier 2011.

Moyennant un don symbolique vous pourrez aussi obtenir les logiciels
Ubuntu et LibreOffice sur DVD.

Bibliothèque du Mile-End
5434, Avenue du Parc
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Formateur: Fabian Rodriguez
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[Ubuntu-QC] Compiler son kernel

2011-04-10 Thread Yannick Pavard

Allo,

Ce weekend j'ai eu une expérience avec mon netbook et Meego pas très 
agréable (récit ici pour les curieux 
http://king76.au-quebec.info/2011/04/ideapad-windows-7-meego-1-1-et-ubuntu-11-04-sous-le-meme-toit/). 



(Je sais que ca parle Ubuntu ici, mais c'est pas de l'aide pour Meego 
que je recherche, vous allez comprendre).


En fait, lorsque j'ai voulu installer le driver Broadcom STA sous Meego, 
je suis tombé sur le problème que la le lien vers les sources iqui se 
trouvent ici lib/modules/2.6.35.3-10.3-netbook/build/ était brisé. Cela 
pointait vers un autre dossier dans ./src/kernels/2.6 etc.. qui 
n'existe pas sur mon ordi. J'ai les sources d'un noyau plus récent. 
Pourtant en tapant uname -a je voyais bien que j'avais un noyau plus 
récent.


J'ai tenté d'écrire en anglais le problème ici : 
http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=3106 mais pas de réponse.


D'ou ma question. Est ce que c'est cela que l'on appelle compiler son 
noyau ? Dans mon cas à moi, est ce que je devrais compiler mon kernel 
vers une version plus récente ? Ou mettre la main sur les sources de mon 
kernel actuel et les déposer dans le bon dossier pour que l'installation 
du driver se fasse correctement ?


J'ai suivi plusieurs tutos pour le kernel, mais ca n'a rien donné. Pire 
encore Meego est pire qu'avant (ne détecte plus ma batterie et ne 
m'offre plus la connexion filaire). Mais la n'est pas la question.


Je voudrais juste en savoir plus sur SOURCE et COMPILATION du kernel 
pour la prochaine fois


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[Ubuntu-QC] Le Pacte du libre... Redoublons d'efforts

2011-04-10 Thread André Cotte

Bonjour,

La campagne électorale va bon train... le 2 mai arrivera plus vite qu'on 
ne se l'imagine.  Il faut donc se dépêcher de contacter les candidats à 
l'élection pour les inciter à signer le pacte du libre.


Allez voir la section du Pacte du libre pour l'élection du 2 mai.
http://facil.qc.ca/content/pacte-du-logiciel-libre-%C3%A9lections-f%C3%A9d%C3%A9rales-2011 



Si vous avez besoin du logo de FACIL pour faire la promotion du Pacte, 
vous pouvez le trouver ici :

http://facil.qc.ca/membres/informations

Bonne fin de campagne

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Re: [Ubuntu-QC] Suspend/Resume

2011-04-10 Thread Gilbert Dion
Bonjour,

Ton problème ressemble au mien. Je l'ai rapporté ici et tu peux en prendre
connaissance dans les archives d'Ubuntu Québec ici:

https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-quebec/2011-January/005835.html

Consulte les réponses dans le fil de discussion. Le problème est toujours
présent. Il n'y a pas eu de correctif depuis.
*Gilbert Dion*
gilbertdion.com



Le 7 avril 2011 12:49, jacques.bast...@videotron.ca a écrit :

 Salut à tous, sur mon laptop Acer Aspire 5535, j'utilise Windows Vista et
 la fonction Suspend et tout le système arrête, l'écran s'éteint, le
 ventilateur cesse de fonctionner. Et quand je pèse une touche du clavier ou
 si je bouge la souris, le système se rallume et je peux continuer à
 travailler.
 Bien, j'ai installé Ubuntu 10.10 avec Wubi et je peux suspendre, mais je ne
 peux retravailler, car même si le disque dur et le ventilateur se rallume,
 l'écran lui ne se rallume jamais et je sus obligé de fermer l'ordinateur en
 maintenant le bouton d'allumage enfoncé pour 4 secondes environ. Je dois
 rebooter à ce moment. La fonction Resume ne fonctionne pas. J'ai cherché
 mais je ne trouve toujours pas la solution.
 Des idées?
 Merci.
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Re: [orca-list] Installing ubuntu desktop- I Give Up! (fwd)

2011-04-10 Thread Luke Yelavich
On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 06:54:22AM EST, Martin McCormick wrote:
   With the vinux3.1 CD, the commands mimed as if they had
 worked, but no sound resulted.

Martin, could you please follow the following instructions, so I can get some 
more information about you rhardware, please do this on a live CD where you 
cannot get sound working.

1. Download this file: http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh
2. Put it onto a USB stick, and boot into the live CD and mount ths tick as you 
did for your other script.
3. Run the script like so, so we save the info to a text file: bash 
/mnt/alsa-info.txt --no-upload --output /mnt/alsa-info.txt.
4. Attach the file to a message and send it to me, them...@ubuntu.com, or feel 
free to send it to the list if you would like.

If you could do this, that would be great.

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Re: Ubuntu Studio 11.10 UI discussion. GNOME3, Unity, XFCE and Studiousers workflow.

2011-04-10 Thread Ricardo Lameiro
Yes.
Check the magazine they do.
They are trying to show designers that they can use free software to
do good work.

I know them personally Ricardo and Ana, we are from the same town.
They are designers. From what I talked with Ricard, he seems to be
very interested on interaction design.

2011/4/11 C K coryis...@gmail.com:
 On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 6:36 PM, Ricardo Lameiro
 ricardolame...@gmail.com wrote:
 I like the idea of a XFCE shift.

 I lightweight, unobtrusive and streamlined desktop

 Well, I'm unsure of how lightweight it is anymore. But it will
 surely offer a more smooth transition for Studio users.

 but with all the
 capabilities needed. Xfce has a big fan base and i don't see why
 people would oppose the change from Unity / Gnome 3 to XFCE. Both of
 this new shells rely heavily on 3D rendering technology and demand
 more system resources. Resources that a studio user needs to do
 his/her work.

 Cory, there are people like Ricardo LaFuente and Ana Carvalho
 (http://blog.manufacturaindependente.org) editors of the Libre
 graphics magazine http://libregraphicsmag.com , that maybe would want
 to help on the design effort.

 In what way do you think they would want to help with design? Do you know 
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Re: Ubuntu Studio 11.10 UI discussion. GNOME3, Unity, XFCE and Studiousers workflow.

2011-04-10 Thread Ricardo Lameiro
About XFCE and lightweigth.
I think XFCE lighter than Gnome classic. Also thunar as a lot of nice
features for images (mass rename :D ).
ohhh, and it has a control panel :D


2011/4/11 Ricardo Lameiro ricardolame...@gmail.com:
 Yes.
 Check the magazine they do.
 They are trying to show designers that they can use free software to
 do good work.

 I know them personally Ricardo and Ana, we are from the same town.
 They are designers. From what I talked with Ricard, he seems to be
 very interested on interaction design.

 2011/4/11 C K coryis...@gmail.com:
 On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 6:36 PM, Ricardo Lameiro
 ricardolame...@gmail.com wrote:
 I like the idea of a XFCE shift.

 I lightweight, unobtrusive and streamlined desktop

 Well, I'm unsure of how lightweight it is anymore. But it will
 surely offer a more smooth transition for Studio users.

 but with all the
 capabilities needed. Xfce has a big fan base and i don't see why
 people would oppose the change from Unity / Gnome 3 to XFCE. Both of
 this new shells rely heavily on 3D rendering technology and demand
 more system resources. Resources that a studio user needs to do
 his/her work.

 Cory, there are people like Ricardo LaFuente and Ana Carvalho
 (http://blog.manufacturaindependente.org) editors of the Libre
 graphics magazine http://libregraphicsmag.com , that maybe would want
 to help on the design effort.

 In what way do you think they would want to help with design? Do you know 
 them?

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Re: Ubuntu Studio 11.10 UI discussion. GNOME3, Unity, XFCE andStudiousers workflow.

2011-04-10 Thread louiethecuban
Before we ditch gnome, let's see what we can do with it first. For instance 
have we ever though of bundling rocket dock, or another desktop mod as the 
default theme?

 That's essentially what I did with my windows system, I took out the task bar 
using rocket dock and I only have a docklet on the buttom of my screen.

It maximizes space, and it just makes the screen easy to look at. Let's not be 
too quick on blowing off a very well though out gui
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-Original Message-
From: Ricardo Lameiro ricardolame...@gmail.com
Sender: ubuntu-studio-devel-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 00:16:50 
To: Ubuntu Studio Development  Technical 
Discussionubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com
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ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com
Cc: C Kcoryis...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Ubuntu Studio 11.10 UI discussion. GNOME3, Unity, XFCE and
Studiousers workflow.

About XFCE and lightweigth.
I think XFCE lighter than Gnome classic. Also thunar as a lot of nice
features for images (mass rename :D ).
ohhh, and it has a control panel :D


2011/4/11 Ricardo Lameiro ricardolame...@gmail.com:
 Yes.
 Check the magazine they do.
 They are trying to show designers that they can use free software to
 do good work.

 I know them personally Ricardo and Ana, we are from the same town.
 They are designers. From what I talked with Ricard, he seems to be
 very interested on interaction design.

 2011/4/11 C K coryis...@gmail.com:
 On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 6:36 PM, Ricardo Lameiro
 ricardolame...@gmail.com wrote:
 I like the idea of a XFCE shift.

 I lightweight, unobtrusive and streamlined desktop

 Well, I'm unsure of how lightweight it is anymore. But it will
 surely offer a more smooth transition for Studio users.

 but with all the
 capabilities needed. Xfce has a big fan base and i don't see why
 people would oppose the change from Unity / Gnome 3 to XFCE. Both of
 this new shells rely heavily on 3D rendering technology and demand
 more system resources. Resources that a studio user needs to do
 his/her work.

 Cory, there are people like Ricardo LaFuente and Ana Carvalho
 (http://blog.manufacturaindependente.org) editors of the Libre
 graphics magazine http://libregraphicsmag.com , that maybe would want
 to help on the design effort.

 In what way do you think they would want to help with design? Do you know 
 them?

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Re: Ubuntu Studio 11.10 UI discussion. GNOME3, Unity, XFCE andStudiousers workflow.

2011-04-10 Thread Ricardo Lameiro
It is not a bad idea, but the default / classic doesnt look it will be
maintained in the ubuntu repositories in the near future.
About using only a dock, It is not a bad idea, provided there is a way
to see the system load :D

2011/4/11 C K coryis...@gmail.com:
 On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 7:24 PM,  louiethecu...@gmail.com wrote:
 Before we ditch gnome, let's see what we can do with it first. For instance 
 have we ever though of bundling rocket dock, or another desktop mod as the 
 default theme?

  That's essentially what I did with my windows system, I took out the task 
 bar using rocket dock and I only have a docklet on the buttom of my screen.

 It maximizes space, and it just makes the screen easy to look at. Let's not 
 be too quick on blowing off a very well though out gui


 This is pretty much what I proposed in my 1st email. (maybe you didn't
 follow the screenshot links on your Blackberry?)

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Re: Ubuntu Studio 11.10 UI discussion. GNOME3, Unity, XFCE andStudiousers workflow.

2011-04-10 Thread Ronan Jouchet
On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 4:29 PM, Louie Queral louiethecu...@gmail.com wrote:
 example screen of my windows desktop. simple, clean, and inviting.
 we have the same basic concept with a gnome interface as well, no doubt.

 On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 7:24 PM, louiethecu...@gmail.com wrote:

 Before we ditch gnome, let's see what we can do with it first. For
 instance have we ever though of bundling rocket dock, or another desktop mod
 as the default theme?

  That's essentially what I did with my windows system, I took out the task
 bar using rocket dock and I only have a docklet on the buttom of my screen.

 It maximizes space, and it just makes the screen easy to look at. Let's
 not be too quick on blowing off a very well though out gui
 Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

 -Original Message-
 From: Ricardo Lameiro ricardolame...@gmail.com
 Sender: ubuntu-studio-devel-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com
 Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 00:16:50
 To: Ubuntu Studio Development  Technical
 Discussionubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com
 Reply-To: Ubuntu Studio Development  Technical Discussion
        ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com
 Cc: C Kcoryis...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: Ubuntu Studio 11.10 UI discussion. GNOME3, Unity, XFCE and
        Studiousers workflow.

 About XFCE and lightweigth.
 I think XFCE lighter than Gnome classic. Also thunar as a lot of nice
 features for images (mass rename :D ).
 ohhh, and it has a control panel :D


 2011/4/11 Ricardo Lameiro ricardolame...@gmail.com:
  Yes.
  Check the magazine they do.
  They are trying to show designers that they can use free software to
  do good work.
 
  I know them personally Ricardo and Ana, we are from the same town.
  They are designers. From what I talked with Ricard, he seems to be
  very interested on interaction design.
 
  2011/4/11 C K coryis...@gmail.com:
  On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 6:36 PM, Ricardo Lameiro
  ricardolame...@gmail.com wrote:
  I like the idea of a XFCE shift.
 
  I lightweight, unobtrusive and streamlined desktop
 
  Well, I'm unsure of how lightweight it is anymore. But it will
  surely offer a more smooth transition for Studio users.
 
  but with all the
  capabilities needed. Xfce has a big fan base and i don't see why
  people would oppose the change from Unity / Gnome 3 to XFCE. Both of
  this new shells rely heavily on 3D rendering technology and demand
  more system resources. Resources that a studio user needs to do
  his/her work.
 
  Cory, there are people like Ricardo LaFuente and Ana Carvalho
  (http://blog.manufacturaindependente.org) editors of the Libre
  graphics magazine http://libregraphicsmag.com , that maybe would want
  to help on the design effort.
 
  In what way do you think they would want to help with design? Do you
  know them?
 
  --
  -Cory K.

Cory, I question your doubts about Unity. Yes, Unity does some neat
things for maximized applications, but I don't think it is an
inherently inferior WM for workflows with a lot of windows like in our
creative world.
I personally like Unity more and more, and think it deserves to be
considered as default for Studio:
 1. it's great
 2. it means less specificities compared to vanilla ubuntu
 3. concerning performance and the impact of a full-blown compiz on
audio latency, we'd need benchmarks before assessing anything; do we
have these? And Unity 2D (compiz-less) could be an interesting
middleground

Cheers,
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Re: Ubuntu Studio 11.10 UI discussion. GNOME3, Unity, XFCE andStudiousers workflow.

2011-04-10 Thread Luke Yelavich
On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 12:43:18PM EST, Scott Lavender wrote:
 Essentially, the Gnome desktop environment (Gnome2 or gnome-panels) as we
 know it will not be included in Oneiric Ocelot [1].  We are not ditching
 Gnome, it is being taken away from us.  We need to find a different desktop
 environment.

This I need to correct. In no way shape or form is the classic GNOME desktop 
being removed from oneiric at all, it will be still available in universe if 
people want it, however its less and less likely to be maintained upstream, so 
you may be able to use it for one, maybe 2 cycles without it starting to bit 
rot, but I do think a decision needs to be made sooner rather than later.

Luke

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[Oneiric-Topic] Packaging branches

2011-04-10 Thread Robert Ancell
We currently maintain most Ubuntu Desktop packages in bzr branches and
use bzr-builddeb in merge mode [1] with packaging stored in
lp:~ubuntu-desktop/package_name/ubuntu.  The other option was to use
normal mode [2], but this was not chosen at the time due to the size of
checkouts.

My experience since moving to bzr branches:
- Much, much faster updating of packages
- Branching packages is possible (e.g. working in a PPA)
- Patches are a little bit harder to do, as the branch doesn't contain
the files from the source tarball
- People are often ignoring the branches and uploading directly (or
forgetting do a bzr push) which means changes are sometimes dropped by
accident
- People often do merge requests to lp:ubuntu/package_name, even when
there is a packaging branch

So, I propose that we move all the current packaging branches to using
lp:ubuntu/package_name branches.  We have a few branches using this mode
and have had good success with them.

Some issues that will remain:
- It is possible to screw up the branches so that bzr merge-package
throws a confusing error (I keep doing it).  Perhaps we need some hooks
in bzr to stop this from occurring.  If it can be broken, it will be
broken (repeatedly).
- Branches with a lot of history take a lot of time/bandwidth to check
out.  This adds a barrier to contributors, but is something that bzr
hopefully will solve in the future [3]

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[1] http://jameswestby.net/bzr/builddeb/user_manual/merge.html
[2] http://jameswestby.net/bzr/builddeb/user_manual/normal.html
[3] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/46561

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Re: [Oneiric-Topic] LightDM for display management

2011-04-10 Thread Robert Ancell
On 04/08/2011 07:42 PM, Milan Bouchet-Valat wrote:
 Le vendredi 08 avril 2011 à 19:04 +0930, Jason Warner a écrit :
 Thanks for proposing this. I'm particularly interested in any and all
 speed improvements that could come from this...and if we have less
 overhead in general, great!
 If you're using GNOME, loading a whole GNOME session when starting GDM
 won't induce much overhead, since you'll need to load all of those apps
 and libraries anyway in the login phase. It might even be better to read
 those files early since it makes sure ureadahead will catch them.

 And it ensures that once you've typed your password, the login is fast
 (less disk reads): since at that point we know you're sitting in front
 of your keyboard, better spend less time in that phase, and more in the
 boot per se.

 Of course only testing can decide which one is faster, but (for GNOME
 users) I don't think that's a priori so obvious.
There is additional overhead in that you have to initialize the GNOME
session twice, once for the gdm user and once for the user who logs in. 
And loading a session just to display ~10 fairly simple UI elements
seems like a huge waste.  I don't know enough about ureadahead, but it
certainly should cache the gnome-session libraries etc, perhaps we have
to whitelist them somewhere?

So I think in theory it should be faster.

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Re: [Oneiric-Topic] LightDM for display management

2011-04-10 Thread James Westby
On Fri, 08 Apr 2011 19:02:35 +1000, Robert Ancell robert.anc...@canonical.com 
wrote:
 Last cycle I proposed using LightDM to replace GDM [1].  It was deferred
 due to the Unity work, so time to repropose!
 
 The main reasons for switching are:
 - Simpler code to maintain (GDM is a huge ~50,000 line C program and we
 carry 36 patches.  LightDM is nearer 10,000 lines of C).
 - More flexible greeter development - greeters are as easy as X
 applications to write, which means we can have an Ubuntu specific
 greeter that without branching the rest of the code

I assume that the greeters can be written to be accessible via
screenreaders etc, and that they can be localised etc as well?

Thanks,

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Re: [Oneiric-Topic] GTK3/GNOME3

2011-04-10 Thread Christopher James Halse Rogers
On Fri, 2011-04-08 at 09:12 +1000, Robert Ancell wrote:
 On 04/07/2011 05:59 PM, Martin Pitt wrote:
  Hello all,
 
  kind of obvious topic, but next cycle we'll need to move to GTK3 and
  GNOME3. Aside from the obvious update the package versions, I see
  the following particular challenges:
 
   * Review our patches, and be rather aggressive about removing those
 which are intrusive and which we have carried for ages without
 upstream acceptance. Of course there are also still patches which
 we haven't even proposed upstream, these should be discussed in
 bugzilla.gnome.org.
 
   * Port pygtk2 apps to PyGI with GTK3. The biggest ones are
 ubiquity and software-center, but there is also quite a long tail
 of smaller upstream software.
 
   * Discuss GTK3 theming with UX/design. Our current murrine based
 Humanity theme doesn't work with GTK3.
 
  I expect that this will bind a lot of developer capacity next cycle,
  but at the same time it's very important that we do this to not lose
  track with GNOME.
 
  Martin
 One issue we need to tackle is the use of clutter.  Applications are
 moving towards using clutter (e.g. cheese) and my experience with
 clutter has been:
 - Requires good 3D support
 - Has never seemed to work well for me...
 
 We need to work out early if we can have a hard dependency on clutter or
 not, and what happens if you can't run clutter applications.
 

As discovered with enabling cairo's GL backend in bug #725434¹, if a lot
of apps pick up dependencies on clutter it will have a non-trivial
impact on memory usage on the nvidia binary drivers.

Not much that we can do about it, but it's another thing to consider.

[1]:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers/+bug/725434


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Re: Bug 1

2011-04-10 Thread danyJ
On Sun, 10 Apr 2011 12:16:34 +1000
Basil Chupin blchu...@iinet.net.au wrote:

 
 Further to what Peter Kukums wrote..
 
 
 I have several friends who are Windows users and are no longer that 
 impressed with it because of the virus et al matters and I could convert 
 them to Ubuntu. However, I am simply frightened to attempt because by 
 the time they get used to the new operating system the damn desktop 
 environment would have changed!

Might be that Kubuntu will be a better option than Ubuntu, and indeed there is 
some weight in the view that
converting from Windows to Kubuntu may be easier than converting from Windows 
to Ubuntu.  Probably it is more
feasibile to setup a Kubuntu system to look and behave more like a Windows 
system.  (Assumption here is that
Kubuntu will still be available with KDE when 11.10 is out and later)
 
 I have a copy of Natty with its Unity desktop installed on a set of 
 (removable) HDs as well as openSUSE with Gnome 3 on another set of HDs. 
 My wife - who is using Maverick with gnome 2.3 - walks by, looks at the 
 screen and asks, What's this mess on your screen?. I tell her and she 
 categorically states, Don't you *dare* change my system!.
 
 And to make things more complicated for those starting out in Linux, 
 there is no back-porting of applications except for security fixes. For 
 example, Maverick comes with kernel 2.36 and FF 3.6; openSUSE with 
 kernel 2.37 and FF 4; while Natty has kernel 2.38 and FF 4. So unless 
 you know what you are doing and are prepared to go thru hoops there is 
 no easy way to upgrade to FF 4 in Maverick, for example, and also to use 
 kernel 2.38.

Ideally, what you really want is a much easier way to add (and remove) ppa and 
3rd party repositories to your
system without having to do any of following:

add repositories manually in your sources.list
add repositories manually in your package manager (although thats not so hard, 
once you know what to add)
add repositories using add-apt-repository from console

Cheers
Daniel.

 
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Re: Bug 1

2011-04-10 Thread George Patterson
On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 4:00 PM, danyJ danyj...@yahoo.com.au wrote:

 Ideally, what you really want is a much easier way to add (and remove) ppa 
 and 3rd party repositories to your
 system without having to do any of following:

 add repositories manually in your sources.list
 add repositories manually in your package manager (although thats not so 
 hard, once you know what to add)
 add repositories using add-apt-repository from console


Although apt-add-repository will work better :-)

I have my reservations on the possible switch to Unity.

Regards


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Re: Bug 1

2011-04-10 Thread Chris Debenham
On 10 April 2011 09:52, danyJ danyj...@yahoo.com.au wrote:
 On Sun, 10 Apr 2011 00:32:49 +1000
 peter goggin petergog...@bigpond.com wrote:
 If the next main release does not support Gnome then I will probably
 look at other Linux options.

 It will not be available by default in Ubuntu 11.10.  But there will still 
 be Kubuntu, or most likely Gnome
 will still be installable aferwards.

Actually - it will be there, installed and ready - you just have to
choose Ubuntu Classic as your session type :)

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Re: Bug 1

2011-04-10 Thread Chris Debenham
On 10 April 2011 17:33, Chris Debenham ch...@adebenham.com wrote:
 On 10 April 2011 09:52, danyJ danyj...@yahoo.com.au wrote:
 On Sun, 10 Apr 2011 00:32:49 +1000
 peter goggin petergog...@bigpond.com wrote:
 If the next main release does not support Gnome then I will probably
 look at other Linux options.

 It will not be available by default in Ubuntu 11.10.  But there will still 
 be Kubuntu, or most likely Gnome
 will still be installable aferwards.

 Actually - it will be there, installed and ready - you just have to
 choose Ubuntu Classic as your session type :)

Whoops - meant in 11.04 - as far as I've heard for 11.10 it is still
'up in the air'

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Simplifying getting started with the Command Line

2011-04-10 Thread Nathaniel
Hi Group,

When I started out with Linux I knew the real gurus used the command line
and that it was really powerful etc etc as I'd read a lot of magazines etc
that kept promoting it. The problem was and still is that when you open a
terminal you are met with a prompt and a flashing cursor and the rest of the
screen is blank.

I knew about the man pages but that just frustrated me more. 1 of my friends
is a long time Linux user and I would say to him Whats the point of having
the man pages when I don't know what the commands are to start with? I can
hardly type $ man command if I don't know the command now can I?

Anyway my point is this. After almost 12 months of frustration I finally
found out about the man -k keyword command. I couldn't understand why this
wasn't displayed in a new terminal above the prompt so you could see it the
first time you logged in. Then I also found the apropos command.

Is there a reason the Linux community makes it so hard to learn the command
line?

What I propose is a simple First time here? try man -k keyword to get you
started

Is this a possibility?

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Re: Simplifying getting started with the Command Line

2011-04-10 Thread Chris Robinson






From: Nathaniel nathanie...@gmail.com
To: Ubuntu AU List ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com
Sent: Sun, 10 April, 2011 6:40:56 PM
Subject: Simplifying getting started with the Command Line


What I propose is a simple First time here? try man -k keyword to get you 
started_

That would get old very quickly, but I do sympathise.  Back in the bad ol' days 
before open source, and almost back before the internet (certainly before it 
was 
called The Web) operating systems like SCO Unix came with a thick manual.  
This had most of what you needed to get started, but it wasn't a comprehensive 
guide by any means.  One of the things it did show was man -k, and from there 
you were mostly expected to find your own way.

Things are very much easier now, and next to man -k Google is probably your 
best friend.  It helps to know what you're looking for though, and in this case 
it's a primer on the terminal shell, which is called bash.  Most primers will 
probably start with an explanation of just why it's called that.  A quick 
search 
found the following primer:

http://www.faqs.org/docs/bashman/bashref_toc.html


which looks better than some, but not as good it might be.  Some searching will 
find others that you might find more (or less) useful.  A good primer might 
take 
you from the very basics (what is bash) right through to basic bash scripting 
after which you might be ready for some of the more advanced scripting 
tutorials.  I'm about halfway somewhere myself, being rather keen but lacking 
any real time to spend on it.

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Re: Simplifying getting started with the Command Line

2011-04-10 Thread Chris Robinson


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To: Chris Robinson fabricat...@yahoo.com
Sent: Sun, 10 April, 2011 9:51:50 PM
Subject: Re: Simplifying getting started with the Command Line


I'm sure this would be possible.


Absolutely, in about three lines of code.

If you want to see what it looks like, paste the following into your ~/.bashrc 
file:


# Nathaniel's one time man -k prompt
if [ ! -f ~/.bashflag ]; then
echo First time here? try man -k keyword to get you started
echo Also Google bash tutorial   
echo Done  ~/.bashflag
fi


make a backup copy of your .bashrc file first:

cp ~/.bashrc ~/bashrc.bkup

and when you're finished copy the backup back again:

cp ~/bashrc.bkup ~/.bashrc

Then remove the flag file that was created:

rm ~/.bashflag

The use of .bashflag is a bit of a kludge, done because I really didn't wan't 
to 
mess with any of the bash init files.  Note that files starting with a '.' are 
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Re: Simplifying getting started with the Command Line

2011-04-10 Thread Joel Pickett
I guess there are some people out there that think the command-line way is
the bee's knees in terms of CLI vs. GUI. I, for one, don't share this
view and simply think of the idea that you use the tool that's best for
the job.

Compared to many people on this list, I'd class myself as a novice CLI
user. The way I did it was learning the basic commands to get you around
the filesystem:

ls, cd, ls -l, tar, sudo, man, cp, mv, rm, mkdir, apt-get, grep, touch,
nano, vi (trying to learn) etc.

And up until this point I haven't really felt the need to learn any more.
I like adding commands to my toolchain as the need arises. You pick up
things here and there but you learn to use them by simply using them.

Try to take it slow. I don't know where you're up to at the moment but I
tried to install/remove applications via apt-get rather than add/remove or
synaptic. Sure, you'll think it takes longer to do it the CLI way but
after you get the gist of the commands and their options, it'll be more
enjoyable and take less time.

Learn to use/rely on tab complete where possible. I remember being a
noobfessional when I was trying to install Mediawiki as a local install.
Try typing out tar xvzf mediawiki-1.9.2-3ubuntu4~svn20100323.2-34  etc etc
with errors being spat out. It's a tough road but it's worth it.

I use irssi and mplayer just because it's easier and quicker than to use a
GUI application. Personal taste though...


 Hi Group,

 When I started out with Linux I knew the real gurus used the command line
 and that it was really powerful etc etc as I'd read a lot of magazines etc
 that kept promoting it. The problem was and still is that when you open a
 terminal you are met with a prompt and a flashing cursor and the rest of
 the
 screen is blank.

 I knew about the man pages but that just frustrated me more. 1 of my
 friends
 is a long time Linux user and I would say to him Whats the point of
 having
 the man pages when I don't know what the commands are to start with? I
 can
 hardly type $ man command if I don't know the command now can I?

 Anyway my point is this. After almost 12 months of frustration I finally
 found out about the man -k keyword command. I couldn't understand why
 this
 wasn't displayed in a new terminal above the prompt so you could see it
 the
 first time you logged in. Then I also found the apropos command.

 Is there a reason the Linux community makes it so hard to learn the
 command
 line?

 What I propose is a simple First time here? try man -k keyword to get
 you
 started

 Is this a possibility?

 --
 Regards

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Re: Simplifying getting started with the Command Line

2011-04-10 Thread Robyn Cummings
Hi All,

Install this via Software Centre or synaptic or follow the instructions
on these pages.

clicompanion - OKWiki

Command Line Little Helper: CLI Companion - Linux Magazine Online

Regards

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Re: windows7 dual boot

2011-04-10 Thread Basil Chupin

On 11/04/2011 10:30, Peter Watts wrote:
I have read somewhere that MINT will not be using Unity, This an other 
distros built on Ubuntu my be a better option.

Thanks
Peter


Mint is simply a re-work of Ubuntu.

However, I also did read somewhere that it will have a fork which will 
maintain and continue to use the gnome DE.


But then comes the question: will they continue to maintain gnome 2.3 or 
switch to the gnome shell (whatever the heck that is!) or to gnome 3?


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Re: »Cancel« untranslated in login dialog (German)?

2011-04-10 Thread Redmar
Dennis Baudys schreef op za 09-04-2011 om 20:33 [+0200]:
 Hello Ubuntu Translators!
 
 I have a little question regarding the current Natty beta version and
 wanted to know, whether some of you are also experiencing this
 phenomenon:
 
   1.) When logging in to Ubuntu, the login dialog has two buttons, the
 LEFT one (»Cancel«) appears to be untranslated (at least in German)
 though it was already translated a long time ago. Can I assume this will
 be fixed automagically? Well … where should I look for that string? Is
 this really a »new« string or just another bug that does only affect the
 German translation?
 
 Thank you very much in advance for your testing results.
 
 With kind regards,
 
I've noticed the same for Dutch(nl). I checked in gdm but it does not
contain the string 'cancel', so I'm not sure where the string is comming
from. It would be nice if a problem with such a visible string could be
resolved, so if anyone has any ideas on this I'd love to hear it.

Greets,

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UI Freeze Exception Request: Open apt: URIs with Software Center

2011-04-10 Thread Jeremy Bicha
While working on getting the Gnome user docs ready for Ubuntu 11.04, I
came across this bug where apt: URIs are opened by a small apturl
installer window instead of by Software Center.
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apturl/+bug/426215

According to the Software Center specifications, Software Center
should handle these links:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareCenter#apturl

Benefits of this change: When installing software from an apt link,
users will be able to see a screenshot, ratings and reviews (file
size, version number, etc.) as opposed to only seeing a small
installer window with the software description. Ubuntu Software Center
is a much better looking and more useful interface than the simple
apturl window.

Caveat: This still won't affect apt: URIs typed into Firefox as ubufox
calls apturl directly. http://pad.lv/634915  This will however benefit
apt: links in yelp.

I am already working with Jim Campbell to ensure that the Ubuntu docs
reflect this change.

Jeremy Bicha

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Re: [OT] Re: rt kernel

2011-04-10 Thread Ralf
On Sun, 2011-04-10 at 06:37 +0200, ailo wrote:
 [snip]
 What I need is a system that works, flawlessly.
 Flawlessly means, I don't suffer crashes in the middle of a performance,
 and I don't hear irregularities caused by the system.
 
 Finding that out may be a different experience for people, because of a
 range of variables. One of them being what hardware is used. Another
 being what the system is used for.
 
 I have yet not worked with -lowlatency for long periods of time, like I
 have with previous -rt kernels. So far, it does seem as -lowlatency will
 serve my purposes well.
 Only one -rt kernel has done that for me so far, but I have not been in
 this game for very long.

If I remember correctly, we had just one bad kernel-rt in recent years.
I guess this was at a time when there was a big step forward for
real-time audio. Instability on my computer is caused by JACK or JACK
clients. For example, Qtractor (any version I did use) crashes very
often, if you set up FluidSynth DSSI (any version I did use) during a
production. Once it's set up, Qtractor + FluidSynth DSSI are stable for
performance.

I'm using a script to kill'n'launch all audio apps during a production
session, if an app should crash.

Two days ago I add 2GB RAM, now I've got 4GB main memory. The 4GB are
accessible by my old 64-bit Linux installs, but Maverick is a 32-bit
install on my 64-bit machine and here I only get ...

edubuntu@edubuntu:/boot$ cat config-2.6.33.7.2-rt30 | grep HIGHMEM
# CONFIG_NOHIGHMEM is not set
CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G=y
# CONFIG_HIGHMEM64G is not set
CONFIG_HIGHMEM=y
edubuntu@edubuntu:/boot$ hwinfo --memory
01: None 00.0: 10102 Main Memory
  [Created at memory.61]
  Unique ID: rdCR.CxwsZFjVASF
  Hardware Class: memory
  Model: Main Memory
  Memory Range: 0x-0xcb5abfff (rw)
  Memory Size: 3 GB + 256 MB
  Config Status: cfg=new, avail=yes, need=no, active=unknown

... I wonder if I need to enable 64G HIGHMEM and if this would be ok
with the RT-patch. Special wishes usually are no big deal for default
kernels, but those could be a pain for the RT-patch. This is the first
time I do have a special wish, usually I'm fine with RT-PREEMPT-kernels
for everything I do with a computer. Ok, there's one additional
exception for a short while, I need the generic kernel on Ubuntu to get
NVIDIA 3D support.

Btw. on JACK devel mailing list we were ask to test JACK from svn and to
run a JACK MIDI latency test. If the measurements on my machine for ...

edubuntu@edubuntu:/boot$ jackd -V
jackdmp 1.9.8

... and my PCI card should be ok, my computer is able to do hard
real-time for MIDI. I got an averaged MIDI jitter of 0.00 ms (0.02
frames) and a peak MIDI jitter of 0.06 ms (3 frames).
This would mean, that jitter was caused by JACK MIDI or ALSA MIDI.
Regarding to it's protocol or hardware, jitter still is caused by USB
MIDI devices. Until now I only did the measurements but no audio test.

Is somebody is interested in doing the test too, I'll write how to build
JACK dummy packages and how to install and uninstall JACK from SVN.
Building JACK dummy packages and compiling JACK from svn just takes some
minutes and is easy to do.

Too funny, Rui, coder of the 'Q'-audio-apps, qjackctl, qsynth etc. said
that latest PREEMPT kernel release candidate version 'feels' like RT
PREEMPT for his desktop.

Cheers,

Ralf


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Re: help, jackd crashing, don't know why

2011-04-10 Thread Pablo Fernández
El 09/04/11 22:47, Andrew escribió:
 Are you using qtjackctl or launching from a script/command line?
 Andrew Euell
 The Sound of IT - High tech solutions for audio problems

 -Original Message-
 From: wfdudley wfdud...@gmail.com
 Sender: ubuntu-studio-users-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com
 Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 14:18:59 
 To: ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com
 Reply-To: Ubuntu Studio Users Help and Discussion
   ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com
 Subject: help, jackd crashing, don't know why

 Hi,

 I upgraded my ubuntu studio box to Lucid Lynx and now jackd is crashing.

 Here's the log:

 09:49:11.871 Patchbay deactivated.
 09:49:11.914 Statistics reset.
 09:49:12.068 ALSA connection graph change.
 09:49:12.427 ALSA connection change.
 09:49:21.874 Startup script...
 09:49:21.876 artsshell -q terminate
 sh: artsshell: not found
 09:49:22.280 Startup script terminated with exit status=32512.
 09:49:22.281 JACK is starting...
 09:49:22.283 /usr/bin/jackd -v -dalsa -dhw:0 -r44100 -p1024 -n3
 jackd 0.118.0
 Copyright 2001-2009 Paul Davis, Stephane Letz, Jack O'Quinn, Torben
 Hohn and others.
 jackd comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY
 This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it
 under certain conditions; see the file COPYING for details
 Memory locking is unlimited - this is dangerous. You should probably
 alter the line:
  @audio   -  memlockunlimited
 in your /etc/limits.conf to read:
  @audio   -  memlock354993
 09:49:22.318 JACK was started with PID=4646
 getting driver descriptor from /usr/lib/jack/jack_dummy.so
 getting driver descriptor from /usr/lib/jack/jack_alsa.so
 getting driver descriptor from /usr/lib/jack/jack_firewire.so
 no message buffer overruns
 getting driver descriptor from /usr/lib/jack/jack_net.so
 getting driver descriptor from /usr/lib/jack/jack_oss.so
 JACK compiled with System V SHM support.
 server `default' registered
 registered builtin port type 32 bit float mono audio
 registered builtin port type 8 bit raw midi
 clock source = system clock via clock_gettime
 start poll on 3 fd's
 loading driver ..
 apparent rate = 44100
 creating alsa driver ... hw:0|hw:0|1024|3|44100|0|0|nomon|swmeter|-|32 bit
 control device hw:0
 new client: alsa_pcm, id = 1 type 1 @ 0x8fe7df8 fd = -1
 09:49:24.722 Could not connect to JACK server as client. - Please
 check the messages window for more info.
 server thread back from poll
 new client: qjackctl, id = 2 type 2 @ 0xb788c000 fd = 13
 start poll on 4 fd's
 cannot read event connect result from server (interrupted system call)
 09:49:25.155 JACK was stopped successfully.
 09:49:25.162 Post-shutdown script...
 09:49:25.164 killall jackd
 09:49:25.165 Jack has crashed.
 jackd: no process found
 09:49:25.661 Post-shutdown script terminated with exit status=256.

 The result of uname -a:
 Linux hdrec 2.6.31-11-rt #154-Ubuntu SMP PREEMPT RT Wed Jun 9 12:28:53
 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux

 Current Ubuntu version: Lucid Lynx

 Is there anything more I should be reporting?

 Thanks in advance,
 Bill Dudley
 avid ubuntu user



I think you have little RAM, 512 MB or so? 

Check ls /dev/shm. The problem could have to do with this:

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/jack-audio-connection-kit/+bug/491329

(This bug affects many more than 4 people even if they don't know, which
is the worst case).

See also:

http://www.linuxmusicians.com/viewtopic.php?f=27t=2790

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Re: help, jackd crashing, don't know why

2011-04-10 Thread Ralf
On Sun, 2011-04-10 at 10:55 +0200, Pablo Fernández wrote:
 I think you have little RAM, 512 MB or so? 
 
 Check ls /dev/shm. The problem could have to do with this:
 
 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/jack-audio-connection-kit/+bug/491329
 
 (This bug affects many more than 4 people even if they don't know, which
 is the worst case).
 
 See also:
 
 http://www.linuxmusicians.com/viewtopic.php?f=27t=2790
 
 Cheers! Pablo

The polyp grabs at everything to fit to coders needs and distribution
needs, but it high and mighty ignores the users needs. Thank you very
much desktop environments for switching to PolypAudio.

On my Maverick install I don't have audio for 'desktop' apps (tested
with Youtube by Firefox only), there's only audio for JACK clients.

Usually this will solve the issue:

edubuntu@edubuntu:~$ cat /usr/share/alsa/cards/ICE1712.conf
#
# Configuration for the ICE1712 (Envy24) chip
#
[snip]
confdir:pcm/front.conf

ICE1712.pcm.front.0 {
@args [ CARD ]
@args.CARD {
type string
}
type route
ttable.0.0 1
ttable.1.1 1
slave.pcm {
type hw
card $CARD
}
 fix PA issue 
slave.format S32_LE
slave.channels 10
##
}
[snip]

For this install it doesn't.

Paternalism doesn't stop, X became a PITA for tube monitors, the
kernel's default for CPU frequency scaling is 'corrected', so we'll save
around 1 W, for the coast of xruns all the time.

edubuntu@edubuntu:~$ hwinfo --cpu | grep Clock
  Clock: 1000 MHz
  Clock: 1000 MHz
edubuntu@edubuntu:~$ cat /boot/config-2.6.33.7.2-rt30 | grep
CPU_FREQ_DEFAULT
CONFIG_CPU_FREQ_DEFAULT_GOV_PERFORMANCE=y
# CONFIG_CPU_FREQ_DEFAULT_GOV_POWERSAVE is not set
# CONFIG_CPU_FREQ_DEFAULT_GOV_USERSPACE is not set
# CONFIG_CPU_FREQ_DEFAULT_GOV_ONDEMAND is not set
# CONFIG_CPU_FREQ_DEFAULT_GOV_CONSERVATIVE is not set
edubuntu@edubuntu:~$ sudo cpufreq-selector -g performance
[sudo] password for edubuntu: 
^C
edubuntu@edubuntu:~$ hwinfo --cpu | grep Clock
  Clock: 2100 MHz
  Clock: 2100 MHz

What script does set frequency scaling to ondemand? This wasn't my
choice.

I installed wanderlust as mail client and emacs replaced my nautilus
default editor gedit, without my permission to do this.

Mouse wheel seldom works on my Maverick install.

Often grub.cfg is overwritten by a package without permission to do
that.

The distro is working against my needs. I set up my Linux, but Ubuntu
re-edits some of those settings, by completely useless settings.

I'm near to switch to another distro.

Regarding to PulseAudio this won't be a help, but at least the rest
would be ok.

Before I do upgrades, I backup my Maverick install.

Regarding to the needs of the user, the distro shouldn't try to be
smarter as the user is. Ubuntu is MY TOOL, I do know what I do need and
what I don't need.

Pardon for running of the track.

What exactly are the advantages of PA in Ubuntu Studio, resp. for a DAW?

PA needs to be turned of by default.

2 Cents,

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Re: help, jackd crashing, don't know why

2011-04-10 Thread mark

On 10/04/11 10:50, Ralf wrote:

PA needs to be turned of by default.


+1

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Re: help, jackd crashing, don't know why

2011-04-10 Thread wfdudley
Using qtjackctl.

Bill

On 4/9/11, Andrew and...@thesoundofit.com wrote:
 Are you using qtjackctl or launching from a script/command line?
 Andrew Euell
 The Sound of IT - High tech solutions for audio problems

 -Original Message-
 From: wfdudley wfdud...@gmail.com
 Sender: ubuntu-studio-users-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com
 Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 14:18:59
 To: ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com
 Reply-To: Ubuntu Studio Users Help and Discussion
   ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com
 Subject: help, jackd crashing, don't know why

 Hi,

 I upgraded my ubuntu studio box to Lucid Lynx and now jackd is crashing.

 Here's the log:

 09:49:11.871 Patchbay deactivated.
 09:49:11.914 Statistics reset.
 09:49:12.068 ALSA connection graph change.
 09:49:12.427 ALSA connection change.
 09:49:21.874 Startup script...
 09:49:21.876 artsshell -q terminate
 sh: artsshell: not found
 09:49:22.280 Startup script terminated with exit status=32512.
 09:49:22.281 JACK is starting...
 09:49:22.283 /usr/bin/jackd -v -dalsa -dhw:0 -r44100 -p1024 -n3
 jackd 0.118.0
 Copyright 2001-2009 Paul Davis, Stephane Letz, Jack O'Quinn, Torben
 Hohn and others.
 jackd comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY
 This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it
 under certain conditions; see the file COPYING for details
 Memory locking is unlimited - this is dangerous. You should probably
 alter the line:
  @audio   -  memlockunlimited
 in your /etc/limits.conf to read:
  @audio   -  memlock354993
 09:49:22.318 JACK was started with PID=4646
 getting driver descriptor from /usr/lib/jack/jack_dummy.so
 getting driver descriptor from /usr/lib/jack/jack_alsa.so
 getting driver descriptor from /usr/lib/jack/jack_firewire.so
 no message buffer overruns
 getting driver descriptor from /usr/lib/jack/jack_net.so
 getting driver descriptor from /usr/lib/jack/jack_oss.so
 JACK compiled with System V SHM support.
 server `default' registered
 registered builtin port type 32 bit float mono audio
 registered builtin port type 8 bit raw midi
 clock source = system clock via clock_gettime
 start poll on 3 fd's
 loading driver ..
 apparent rate = 44100
 creating alsa driver ... hw:0|hw:0|1024|3|44100|0|0|nomon|swmeter|-|32 bit
 control device hw:0
 new client: alsa_pcm, id = 1 type 1 @ 0x8fe7df8 fd = -1
 09:49:24.722 Could not connect to JACK server as client. - Please
 check the messages window for more info.
 server thread back from poll
 new client: qjackctl, id = 2 type 2 @ 0xb788c000 fd = 13
 start poll on 4 fd's
 cannot read event connect result from server (interrupted system call)
 09:49:25.155 JACK was stopped successfully.
 09:49:25.162 Post-shutdown script...
 09:49:25.164 killall jackd
 09:49:25.165 Jack has crashed.
 jackd: no process found
 09:49:25.661 Post-shutdown script terminated with exit status=256.

 The result of uname -a:
 Linux hdrec 2.6.31-11-rt #154-Ubuntu SMP PREEMPT RT Wed Jun 9 12:28:53
 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux

 Current Ubuntu version: Lucid Lynx

 Is there anything more I should be reporting?

 Thanks in advance,
 Bill Dudley
 avid ubuntu user

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Re: help, jackd crashing, don't know why

2011-04-10 Thread Ralf
On Sun, 2011-04-10 at 13:16 +0100, mark wrote:
 On 10/04/11 10:50, Ralf wrote:
  PA needs to be turned of by default.
 
 +1
 
 Mark

I never disabled PA myself, for 64 Studio 3.3, based on Ubuntu, it's
disabled by default.
Perhaps some of those howtos will work?!

Mark or anybody else, do you know how to disable PA for Maverick GNOME
sessions or how to disable it completely?

I guess I'll try one of those howtos within the next days.

http://www.google.com/linux?hl=enq=ubuntu+disable
+pulseaudiobtnG=Search

'How do I get rid of PulseAudio?

* This has changed, since it's using autospawn. You need to disable
that by editing /etc/pulse/client.conf and changing autospawn = yes on
line 26 to autospawn = no. Additionally, if this is a clean install,
not an upgrade, you'll need to add your user to the audio group with
sudo adduser USER audio replacing USER with your username.'
http://ubuntulinuxtipstricks.blogspot.com/2009/04/jaunty-faq.html


http://www.google.com/linux?hl=enq=ubuntu+maverick+disable
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Re: help, jackd crashing, don't know why

2011-04-10 Thread wfdudley
adding ram from 512M to 1024M fixed it.  Thanks!

Bill Dudley

On 4/10/11, Pablo Fernández pablo.f...@gmail.com wrote:
 El 09/04/11 22:47, Andrew escribió:
 Are you using qtjackctl or launching from a script/command line?
 Andrew Euell
 The Sound of IT - High tech solutions for audio problems

 -Original Message-
 From: wfdudley wfdud...@gmail.com
 Sender: ubuntu-studio-users-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com
 Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 14:18:59
 To: ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com
 Reply-To: Ubuntu Studio Users Help and Discussion
  ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com
 Subject: help, jackd crashing, don't know why

 Hi,

 I upgraded my ubuntu studio box to Lucid Lynx and now jackd is crashing.

 Here's the log:

 09:49:11.871 Patchbay deactivated.
 09:49:11.914 Statistics reset.
 09:49:12.068 ALSA connection graph change.
 09:49:12.427 ALSA connection change.
 09:49:21.874 Startup script...
 09:49:21.876 artsshell -q terminate
 sh: artsshell: not found
 09:49:22.280 Startup script terminated with exit status=32512.
 09:49:22.281 JACK is starting...
 09:49:22.283 /usr/bin/jackd -v -dalsa -dhw:0 -r44100 -p1024 -n3
 jackd 0.118.0
 Copyright 2001-2009 Paul Davis, Stephane Letz, Jack O'Quinn, Torben
 Hohn and others.
 jackd comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY
 This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it
 under certain conditions; see the file COPYING for details
 Memory locking is unlimited - this is dangerous. You should probably
 alter the line:
  @audio   -  memlockunlimited
 in your /etc/limits.conf to read:
  @audio   -  memlock354993
 09:49:22.318 JACK was started with PID=4646
 getting driver descriptor from /usr/lib/jack/jack_dummy.so
 getting driver descriptor from /usr/lib/jack/jack_alsa.so
 getting driver descriptor from /usr/lib/jack/jack_firewire.so
 no message buffer overruns
 getting driver descriptor from /usr/lib/jack/jack_net.so
 getting driver descriptor from /usr/lib/jack/jack_oss.so
 JACK compiled with System V SHM support.
 server `default' registered
 registered builtin port type 32 bit float mono audio
 registered builtin port type 8 bit raw midi
 clock source = system clock via clock_gettime
 start poll on 3 fd's
 loading driver ..
 apparent rate = 44100
 creating alsa driver ... hw:0|hw:0|1024|3|44100|0|0|nomon|swmeter|-|32 bit
 control device hw:0
 new client: alsa_pcm, id = 1 type 1 @ 0x8fe7df8 fd = -1
 09:49:24.722 Could not connect to JACK server as client. - Please
 check the messages window for more info.
 server thread back from poll
 new client: qjackctl, id = 2 type 2 @ 0xb788c000 fd = 13
 start poll on 4 fd's
 cannot read event connect result from server (interrupted system call)
 09:49:25.155 JACK was stopped successfully.
 09:49:25.162 Post-shutdown script...
 09:49:25.164 killall jackd
 09:49:25.165 Jack has crashed.
 jackd: no process found
 09:49:25.661 Post-shutdown script terminated with exit status=256.

 The result of uname -a:
 Linux hdrec 2.6.31-11-rt #154-Ubuntu SMP PREEMPT RT Wed Jun 9 12:28:53
 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux

 Current Ubuntu version: Lucid Lynx

 Is there anything more I should be reporting?

 Thanks in advance,
 Bill Dudley
 avid ubuntu user



 I think you have little RAM, 512 MB or so?

 Check ls /dev/shm. The problem could have to do with this:

 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/jack-audio-connection-kit/+bug/491329

 (This bug affects many more than 4 people even if they don't know, which
 is the worst case).

 See also:

 http://www.linuxmusicians.com/viewtopic.php?f=27t=2790

 Cheers! Pablo



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What's off topic for this list?

2011-04-10 Thread Ralf
Hi :)

would it be ok to sent a request regarding to an emacs mailer
configuration file ;)?
I guess asking about issues regarding to timidity for emacs would be ok,
but requests about mail clients etc. might be spam when searching the
mailing list archive.
OTOH subscribing to a special mailing list regarding to this issue,
isn't worth the bother for me, resp. it's not worth the bother for any
issues that have less to do with music, graphics and studio stuff like
that, because trouble for non-studio-apps most of the times can be
solved by searching the web.

Sorry and

have a nice weekend,

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Re: help, jackd crashing, don't know why

2011-04-10 Thread Pablo Fernández
El 10/04/11 14:52, wfdudley escribió:
 adding ram from 512M to 1024M fixed it.  Thanks!

 Bill Dudley



Well, I was not exactly saying that the problem was lack of RAM although
more RAM is better of course. I guessed you had 512 MB because of this
message:

Memory locking is unlimited - this is dangerous. You should probably
alter the line:
 @audio   -  memlockunlimited
in your /etc/limits.conf to read:
 @audio   -  memlock354993




This suggestion on the memlock limit is 75% of your total RAM, in kb.

The real problem is not the lack of memory but pulseaudio locking it. 
Manually cleaning /dev/shm is a must if you have little RAM and even
with 1 GB you could have problems.. Avoiding pulseaudio althogether can
be a good idea or not, depending on your needs.

I am not sure if pulseaudio should be left out of US or not, but this
bug[1] is a major drawback. It affects many more than 4 people yet is
marked as won't fix. 

[1] 
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/jack-audio-connection-kit/+bug/491329


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Re: help, jackd crashing, don't know why

2011-04-10 Thread wfdudley
When jackd crashes on a freshly booted machine, the problem isn't left over
files in /dev/shm, the problem is PA allocating all that memory in the
first place.
Since I've given up on expecting bugs to be fixed in my lifetime, and I had a
DIMM lying about, adding memory was cheap 'n' easy.

I did nukem PA from my laptop, it won't work with Skype.  I did it by renaming
a binary somewhere. crude but effective.

rantI really have given up on expecting bug fixes.  Audacity won't
show an input
selector control, hasn't for several years, the audacity guys know
about it but don't
seem to care.  So I don't expect to ever record using audacity.  Oh well.
/rant

Bill Dudley

On 4/10/11, Pablo Fernández pablo.f...@gmail.com wrote:
 El 10/04/11 14:52, wfdudley escribió:
 adding ram from 512M to 1024M fixed it.  Thanks!

 Bill Dudley



 Well, I was not exactly saying that the problem was lack of RAM although
 more RAM is better of course. I guessed you had 512 MB because of this
 message:

 Memory locking is unlimited - this is dangerous. You should probably
 alter the line:
  @audio   -  memlockunlimited
 in your /etc/limits.conf to read:
  @audio   -  memlock354993




 This suggestion on the memlock limit is 75% of your total RAM, in kb.

 The real problem is not the lack of memory but pulseaudio locking it.
 Manually cleaning /dev/shm is a must if you have little RAM and even
 with 1 GB you could have problems.. Avoiding pulseaudio althogether can
 be a good idea or not, depending on your needs.

 I am not sure if pulseaudio should be left out of US or not, but this
 bug[1] is a major drawback. It affects many more than 4 people yet is
 marked as won't fix.

 [1]
 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/jack-audio-connection-kit/+bug/491329


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Maverick and Delta 1010lt

2011-04-10 Thread Brian Blater
I've been using US 10.04 for awhile on an older machine. I picked up a
newer machine and decided to move my Delta 1010lt card to this machine
and install US 10.10. What a nightmare it has been as I've been
dealing with issues with lowlatency kernels, nvidia drivers and now
the 1010lt card. Let me tell you this is not for the faint of heart as
I've been working at this for 4-5 days now.

Anyways, I won't go into the nvidia issues and the lowlatency kernel
issues for now. What I'm trying to get working is sound through my
1010lt at least. I've actually got an on board sound card that I've
disabled in BIOS so I can focus on the 1010lt. I'm able to get sound
out of the card using Jack and Hydrogen and I even get a test sound
from the terminal with aplay. However, I'm not getting squat for
system sounds, audacious, firefox etc. I can't believe this problem
with the ICE1712 cards has been around for so long and there is
nothing but numerous workarounds and they work part of the time, but
not all of the time. Now, I'm just hopelessly lost in workaround hell.

Ok, so ranting off now. I followed several bug reports and I think
those have at least allowed me to get the sound card working through
Jack. However, I still have no sound via the system. Any ideas on what
I can do to get this sovled? Any nice, easy to follow (all solutions
in one easy thread instead of following numerous links with just a
small fix each) solutions out there? Would it be better to get the
BIOS sound card working for system sounds and the 1010lt for Jack etc?
I would like to be able to record some system sounds like sound
clips from video files or other such stuff, but I think that can be
done through some of the Jack pluggins.

Should I just wait until 11.04 comes out and hope most of this has
been addressed? I think the lowlatency is being better addressed in
Natty at least.

Thank you for any suggestions you may have.

Brian

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Re: Maverick and Delta 1010lt

2011-04-10 Thread ailo
On 04/11/2011 03:41 AM, Brian Blater wrote:
 I've been using US 10.04 for awhile on an older machine. I picked up a
 newer machine and decided to move my Delta 1010lt card to this machine
 and install US 10.10. What a nightmare it has been as I've been
 dealing with issues with lowlatency kernels, nvidia drivers and now
 the 1010lt card. Let me tell you this is not for the faint of heart as
 I've been working at this for 4-5 days now.
 
 Anyways, I won't go into the nvidia issues and the lowlatency kernel
 issues for now. 

nvidia drivers won't work if you use a kernel that is not meant for
Maverick. I assume you are using a kernel for another distro.
nvidia drivers can be made to work of course. You would either need to
build them yourself, or add them manually from a repo that matches the
kernel (I would believe), however, I would not recommend you to do this.


What I'm trying to get working is sound through my
 1010lt at least. I've actually got an on board sound card that I've
 disabled in BIOS so I can focus on the 1010lt. I'm able to get sound
 out of the card using Jack and Hydrogen and I even get a test sound
 from the terminal with aplay. However, I'm not getting squat for
 system sounds, audacious, firefox etc. I can't believe this problem
 with the ICE1712 cards has been around for so long and there is
 nothing but numerous workarounds and they work part of the time, but
 not all of the time. Now, I'm just hopelessly lost in workaround hell.
 

Unfortunately there is a problem in how the ice1712 is presented to
pulseaudio. This is why you get no desktop sound, but it should be easy
to fix.
To copy what Ralf wrote in another post on this list (edit the file
/usr/share/alsa/cards/ICE1712.conf)...


#
# Configuration for the ICE1712 (Envy24) chip
#
[snip]
confdir:pcm/front.conf

ICE1712.pcm.front.0 {
@args [ CARD ]
@args.CARD {
type string
}
type route
ttable.0.0 1
ttable.1.1 1
slave.pcm {
type hw
card $CARD
}
 fix PA issue 
slave.format S32_LE
slave.channels 10
##
}
[snip]

 Ok, so ranting off now. I followed several bug reports and I think
 those have at least allowed me to get the sound card working through
 Jack.

ice1712 will always work with jack. You might have neglected to raise
some volumse at first. An easy mistake to make, which I have made myself
many times.
Did you check out envy24control? It is a mixer for ice1712 cards. I
recommend to use that.

I can understand your frustration. I have went through the same thing
myself. Unfortunately the problem with getting ice1712 to work with
pulseaudio has been a long lingering problem (3 years and counting, I
think).
I'm hoping Ubuntu Studio 11.10 will include a way to fix this, if yet
not fixed on regular Ubuntu.

 However, I still have no sound via the system. Any ideas on what
 I can do to get this sovled? Any nice, easy to follow (all solutions
 in one easy thread instead of following numerous links with just a
 small fix each) solutions out there? Would it be better to get the
 BIOS sound card working for system sounds and the 1010lt for Jack etc?
 I would like to be able to record some system sounds like sound
 clips from video files or other such stuff, but I think that can be
 done through some of the Jack pluggins.
 
 Should I just wait until 11.04 comes out and hope most of this has
 been addressed? I think the lowlatency is being better addressed in
 Natty at least.
 

There will be no -lowlatency included in Natty's repos. There is one
available here: http://launchpad.net/~abogani/+archive/ppa.
The -generic kernel is quite good on Natty, and hopefully that will
already be enough for many people.

 Thank you for any suggestions you may have.
 
 Brian
 


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Re: help, jackd crashing, don't know why

2011-04-10 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 2011-04-10 at 20:26 -0400, wfdudley wrote:
 I've given up on expecting bugs to be fixed in my lifetime

I started in November 2003 by buying Suse 9.0 Student Version and a less
good Internet access. Since that time I didn't finished any audio
production in a satisfying way using Linux, but Linux audio made great
strides since that time and I needed to spend money in upgrading my
computer hardware, only because of hardware issues regarding to Linux.

I don't expect far advanced apps, e.g. Rosegarden and Ardour to fit to
my needs, but apps like Muse or Qtractor are shapeable for users with
different needs to that established apps.

Qtractor is one of my favourite apps. If there's a bug, I report it to
the qtractor devel mailing list, resp. to Rui and usually he fix it
within a hour. Rui seems to be 24/7 online.

Of course Rui programs Qtractor for a community and himself and not only
for me, so he e.g. spend his time for automation, while I don't set
great value on automation, but e.g. would like to have a different
management for saving and restoring Qtractor projects.

Anyway, we can

- learn how to program for Linux. Not really an option for me, I was a
coder for audio software on oldish computers and I'm used to program for
non-multitask in Assembler. I don't like C, especially not C on Linux, I
prefer to be a user instead of retraining myself.

- be tough and insist on pointing out issues. This is a balancing act.
I've got a bad record in the Linux community, because I didn't balance
good, OTOH, I was quieter for a while and still will be quieter and I'm
welcome most of the times, regarding to test MIDI stuff. Yes while some
people wish(ed) to ban me other won't miss me.

- win over other people to use Linux (only) too and help them to set up
their machines. So more people with your or my needs will join the Linux
community. Note that bugs are reported and good stuff isn't reported.
Note that the most bad bugs aren't reported, people simply use other
operating systems instead. The coders do not really know what users wish
to have, because the Linux audio community mainly are male nerds. 

Another issue is, that the UNIX/LINUX/POSIX religion is a golden calf
and an additional balancing act is needed to handle this. What's
important for a good multiuser system, for office and consumer needs,
doesn't make sense for audio/MIDI workstations all the times. I don't
use the toaster to clean my clothes and I don't use the washing machine
to roast bread. A sledgehammer and a screwdriver for watchmakers for a
multitool isn't a usable combination, if somebody does need both, two
separated tools are needed.

 I did nukem PA from my laptop, it won't work with Skype.  I did it by renaming
 a binary somewhere. crude but effective.

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Re: Maverick and Delta 1010lt

2011-04-10 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 2011-04-10 at 21:41 -0400, Brian Blater wrote:
 Would it be better to get the
 BIOS sound card working for system sounds and the 1010lt for Jack etc?

IMO the crappy onboard sound devices should always be disabled.


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Re: Maverick and Delta 1010lt

2011-04-10 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 2011-04-11 at 04:26 +0200, ailo wrote:
 nvidia drivers won't work if you use a kernel that is not meant for
 Maverick. I assume you are using a kernel for another distro.
 nvidia drivers can be made to work of course. You would either need to
 build them yourself, or add them manually from a repo that matches the
 kernel (I would believe), however, I would not recommend you to do this.

/etc/rcS.d
README  S13pcmciautils  S25brltty  S37apparmor  S47lm-sensors
S55urandom  S69switch_xorg.conf  S70x11-common

I added S69switch_xorg.conf to switch between two xorg.conf. One for the
generic Kernel + the proprietary driver added by the repositories and
another for a self-build preemption real-time kernel:




#! /bin/sh
# /etc/rcS.d/Switch_xorg_conf

rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf
case $(uname -r) in
*rt*)
cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf.nv /etc/X11/xorg.conf
;;
*)
cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf.nvidia /etc/X11/xorg.conf
;;
esac




 Unfortunately there is a problem in how the ice1712 is presented to
 pulseaudio. This is why you get no desktop sound, but it should be easy
 to fix.
 To copy what Ralf wrote in another post on this list (edit the file
 /usr/share/alsa/cards/ICE1712.conf)...

I guess it doesn't work for Maverick. My Maverick seems to be very good
for audio production, but I still have to set up countless
configurations.

IMO we should get rid of PA.

  Ok, so ranting off now.

:D

I shouldn't switch the distro and you shouldn't switch to Natty.

 Did you check out envy24control? It is a mixer for ice1712 cards. I
 recommend to use that.

I wonder that the successor isn't implemented, anyway, envy24control is
ok too.

 There will be no -lowlatency included in Natty's repos. There is one
 available here: http://launchpad.net/~abogani/+archive/ppa.
 The -generic kernel is quite good on Natty, and hopefully that will
 already be enough for many people.

Is there any information about what a maintainer needs to take care? How
to crosscompile for different architectures etc.?

---

We should rework and collect together solutions for problems. Perhaps
somebody can post this at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio 

There's no Documentation Team!

Unfortunately my English is broken and I don't have that much knowledge,
but I'm willing to write some workarounds.

Some people here with more knowledge might write howtos and link to that
howtos as replies to mails, instead of writing this just in a mails.

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Re: Maverick and Delta 1010lt

2011-04-10 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 2011-04-11 at 06:00 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:

 I added S69switch_xorg.conf to switch between two xorg.conf. One for the
 generic Kernel + the proprietary driver added by the repositories and
 another for a self-build preemption real-time kernel:

I've forgotten to write that for the kernel-rt the xorg.conf is using
the FLOSS driver, because I couldn't add the proprietary driver.

On Suse 64-bit I'm using an older self-build kernel 2.6.31.6-rt19 and
manually added the proprietary driver, for Maverick 32-bit and
2.6.33.7.2-rt30 I'm unable to do the same.


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Re: Maverick and Delta 1010lt

2011-04-10 Thread ailo
On 04/11/2011 06:00 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
 On Mon, 2011-04-11 at 04:26 +0200, ailo wrote:
 nvidia drivers won't work if you use a kernel that is not meant for
 Maverick. I assume you are using a kernel for another distro.
 nvidia drivers can be made to work of course. You would either need to
 build them yourself, or add them manually from a repo that matches the
 kernel (I would believe), however, I would not recommend you to do this.
 
 /etc/rcS.d
 README  S13pcmciautils  S25brltty  S37apparmor  S47lm-sensors
 S55urandom  S69switch_xorg.conf  S70x11-common
 
 I added S69switch_xorg.conf to switch between two xorg.conf. One for the
 generic Kernel + the proprietary driver added by the repositories and
 another for a self-build preemption real-time kernel:
 
 
 
 
 #! /bin/sh
 # /etc/rcS.d/Switch_xorg_conf
 
 rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf
 case $(uname -r) in
 *rt*)
 cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf.nv /etc/X11/xorg.conf
 ;;
 *)
   cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf.nvidia /etc/X11/xorg.conf
 ;;
 esac
 
 

I believe this might be a little over the top for new users. Just saying..

 
 
 Unfortunately there is a problem in how the ice1712 is presented to
 pulseaudio. This is why you get no desktop sound, but it should be easy
 to fix.
 To copy what Ralf wrote in another post on this list (edit the file
 /usr/share/alsa/cards/ICE1712.conf)...
 
 I guess it doesn't work for Maverick. My Maverick seems to be very good
 for audio production, but I still have to set up countless
 configurations.
 
 IMO we should get rid of PA.
 
 Ok, so ranting off now.
 
 :D
 
 I shouldn't switch the distro and you shouldn't switch to Natty.
 

Why is that?
Just wondering.

 Did you check out envy24control? It is a mixer for ice1712 cards. I
 recommend to use that.
 
 I wonder that the successor isn't implemented, anyway, envy24control is
 ok too.
 
 There will be no -lowlatency included in Natty's repos. There is one
 available here: http://launchpad.net/~abogani/+archive/ppa.
 The -generic kernel is quite good on Natty, and hopefully that will
 already be enough for many people.
 
 Is there any information about what a maintainer needs to take care? How
 to crosscompile for different architectures etc.?
 
 ---
 
 We should rework and collect together solutions for problems. Perhaps
 somebody can post this at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio 
 
 There's no Documentation Team!
 

There is serious effort being made to redeem the lack of a clean and
comprehensive documentation for Ubuntu Studio. This work should be done
before the release of Ubuntu Studio 11.10. Help is appreciated.

The goal of the documentation aught to be make it as simple as possible
for the user to learn how to use the system for multimedia tasks.

If you write something up, I will be happy to help with editing, even
though my English may not be that much better than yours.

 Unfortunately my English is broken and I don't have that much knowledge,
 but I'm willing to write some workarounds.
 
 Some people here with more knowledge might write howtos and link to that
 howtos as replies to mails, instead of writing this just in a mails.
 
 - Ralf
 
 


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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Receptor TV Digital ISDB-T

2011-04-10 Thread gil
On 10-04-2011 00:20, Ronaldo Linux Debate wrote:
 PessoALL,

 Alguém já conseguiu instalar este dispositivo no Ubuntu Linux?
 Receptor de TV Digital Ezcap modelo EzTv

 Eu venho googleando há alguns dias mas nao encontrei nada que fizesse
 funcionar.
 Alguém pode dar um ajudinha ?

 Resposta do lsusb
 *Bus 001 Device 002: ID 187f:0201
 *
 Resposta dmesg
 [ 1922.988420] usb 1-1: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and
 address 4
 [ 1923.121188] usb 1-1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
 [ 1923.122709] usb 1-1: firmware: requesting dvb_nova_12mhz_b0.inp
 [ 1923.692391] smscore_set_device_mode: firmware download success:
 dvb_nova_12mhz_b0.inp



Não é o mesmo modelo de tua placa, mas certamente tem muita informação
que te ajudará a resolver o problema:
http://dougsland.livejournal.com/103169.html?thread=99073
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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Problemas no 10.10

2011-04-10 Thread Paulo Henrique Colen
A questão do idioma, não sei se é o mesmo problema, mas aconteceu comigo tb,
na tela de login, em baixo tem a opção de escolher o idioma, tem dois
português Brasil, um em italico e o outro normal, agora não lembro a opção
certa, mas alterando entre os dois, resolve..

Em 10 de abril de 2011 00:49, Erasmo José Pereira de Oliveira 
erasmo...@gmail.com escreveu:

 Fa, sobre o Firefox 4 no Maverick...

 O Ubuntu geralmente não muda a versão do navegador numa mesma versão.
 Estou louco para testar o Firefox 4, mas da ultima vez q atualizei, não
 lembro se foi do 2 para 3, forçando um pouco a barra, tive conflito de
 tudo com tudo, quando saiu a versão nova do Ubuntu continuou bagunçado.

 Resultado: tive que instalar o ubuntu do zero para que tudo voltasse a
 normalidade. No caso do Firefox em especial pq a Canonical apronta uma
 versão específica para o Ubuntu. Vale a pena esperar para não bagunçar
 as coisas...

 P.s.: apenas relatando o problema q tive

 abração

 Em Sáb, 2011-04-09 às 17:15 -0300, Fa escreveu:
  Oi
 
 
  No laboratório temos ums 30 máquinas funcionando, em geral são: 32 bits,
  com 1 GB ou 768 MB de memória, com Ubuntu 10.10, Firefox 4 e LibreOffice
  3.3.2 em pt-BR, os últimos com várias extensões instaladas.
 
  Fazemos as atualizações do Ubuntu praticamente em todos os dias úteis.
 
  Nessas duas últimas semanas tivemos vários problemas como os que já
  relatei aqui, em outras mensagens: pcs ficando com o ubuntu 10.10 em
  inglês de uma hora pra outra. (Que já sabemos resolver).
 
  E, nessa semana, o Firefox como que resolveu ignorar a extensão Locale
  switcher e também ficar em inglês, o que foi fácil de resolver apenas
  ajustando a extensão.
 
  Mas na quinta e sexta, simplesmente apareceu a versão 4.2 do FX
  instalada em algumas máquinas, em inglês, e com a maioria das nossas
  extensões desativadas por serem incompatíveis.
 
  Tivemos que desinstalar e instalamos a 4.0 que está no Synaptic.
 
  Estamos usando o Ubuntu desde a versão 9.04 e nunca tinha visto
  aparecerem tantos problemas juntos.
 
  Lembrando que estou falando aqui apenas de pcs com a versão 10,10,
  alguém tem ideia do que pode estar acontecendo?
 
  Pode me dizer?
 
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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] : [sapiensinfotec] Finalmente: atualizacao p/ Linux.

2011-04-10 Thread Andre Cavalcante
Ok. Renato, boa notícia.

Mas a atualização no repositórios já saiu. Assim, quem tem skype instalado
provavelmente já está com essa versão (2.2). Essa é uma diferença marcante
entre o Windows e o Linux: o uso de repositórios de software torna mais
fácil a distribuição de atualizações... Dê uma vista de olhos no seu skype
para ver qual é a versão dele!

O problema é que é sempre BETA!

Abraços

André Cavalcante


2011/4/9 Renato Alvim renato.al...@gmail.com

 Recebi de lista de Windows...



 Fonte:

 http://www1.folha.uol.com.br/tec/900149-skype-finalmente-recebe-atualizacao-para-linux.shtml

 08/04/2011 - 16h17
 Skype finalmente recebe atualização para Linux

 DE SÃO PAULO

 Depois de quase 1 ano e meio sem atualizações, o programa mensageiro Skype
 recebeu uma atualização para o sistema operacional Linux.

 A versão 2.2 Beta promete melhoria na qualidade das chamadas de áudio e
 video e suporte a chamadas em espera (ou múltiplas chamadas).

 A tradução para o português brasileiro foi atualizada e cerca de 50 bugs
 foram resolvidos.

 O programa pode ser baixado na página oficial do
 Skypehttp://www.skype.com/intl/en/get-skype/on-your-computer/linux/,
 com opções de download para Ubunto, Fedora e outras distribuições do
 sistema.

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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Receptor TV Digital ISDB-T

2011-04-10 Thread Paulo de Souza Lima
Bom dia,

Segundo essa página (http://cateee.net/lkddb/web-lkddb/SMS_USB_DRV.html) o
receptor é suportado pelo kernel a partir da versão 2.6.31. O módulo é o
smsusb, verifique se ele foi carregado automaticamente com o lsmod e, caso
não, cerregue-o manualmente com o modprobe (veja man modprobe  para detalhes
sobre como usar o modprobe)

Abraço.

Em 10 de abril de 2011 00:20, Ronaldo Linux Debate
linuxdeb...@gmail.comescreveu:

 PessoALL,

 Alguém já conseguiu instalar este dispositivo no Ubuntu Linux?
 Receptor de TV Digital Ezcap modelo EzTv

 Eu venho googleando há alguns dias mas nao encontrei nada que fizesse
 funcionar.
 Alguém pode dar um ajudinha ?

 Resposta do lsusb
 *Bus 001 Device 002: ID 187f:0201
 *
 Resposta dmesg
 [ 1922.988420] usb 1-1: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and
 address 4
 [ 1923.121188] usb 1-1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
 [ 1923.122709] usb 1-1: firmware: requesting dvb_nova_12mhz_b0.inp
 [ 1923.692391] smscore_set_device_mode: firmware download success:
 dvb_nova_12mhz_b0.inp

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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Será que o Ubuntu vai ficar fora dessa? - GNOME3 quase lando!

2011-04-10 Thread JoaoFPR
Olha, não sou desenvolvedor nem nada.
Uso Debian/Ubuntu desde a versão 9.04, a *não *gostei do novo Gnome.

2011/4/9 Renan Traba rv...@inf.ufpr.br

 nen tudo eh as mil maravilhas no gnome3, nao da pra configurar tema nele (
 so sendo expert )

 Em 9 de abril de 2011 16:16, Marcelo da Silva marc...@ig.com.br
 escreveu:

  Hum...
  Muito bom saber disso Ivan.
  O detalhe é que como o Unity vem como visual default, muitos nem imaginam
  que podem mudar pro gnome.
  O Kubuntu vem com o Desktop padrão por default, e muitos nem imaginam que
 o
  layout Web pode ser ativado.
  Talvez um icone de acesso rápido a essas opcões talvez fariam deles
 melhor
  e
  mais conhecidos.
  Na tela de propriedades do Desktop poderia ter a opcão de mudar do Gnome
  pro
  Unity e vice versa.
 
  Marcelo Silva
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  Em 9 de abril de 2011 15:43, Ivan Brasil Fuzzer i...@fuzzer.com.br
  escreveu:
 
   Somente uma pequena observação, O 11.04 vem com Gnome 2 mas a 11.10
 virá
   com o Gnome 3. O Unity é apenas o shell do Ubuntu, não substitui o
 Gnome.
  
   Recomendo a todos que ouçam o Podcast Opencast episódio #2 [1] que tem
  uma
   conversa com André Gondim e um dos pontos que falamos é exatamente
 desta
   confusão que muita gente tem feito a respeito do Ubuntu abandonar ou
 não
  o
   Gnome.
  
   [1]
  
 
 http://www.ubuntero.com.br/2011/03/opencast-episodio-2-comunidade-ubuntu-br/
  
   Em 09-04-2011 10:50, Marcelo da Silva escreveu:
  
É pessoal, que pena a Canonical apostar no Unity.
   O Gnome3 parece estar bem mais agradável, vejam:
  
   http://gnome3.org/
  
   O Suse e Fedora estão com ele.
  
   Claro que pode-se instalar depois, mas sabe aquele ditado, a primeira
   impressãp é a que fica?
  
  
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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Será que o Ubuntu vai ficar fora dessa? - GNOME3 quase lando!

2011-04-10 Thread Renato Alvim
E já chega o Grub2, não?

Em 9 de abril de 2011 23:35, Renan Traba rv...@inf.ufpr.br escreveu:

 nen tudo eh as mil maravilhas no gnome3, nao da pra configurar tema nele (
 so sendo expert )

 Em 9 de abril de 2011 16:16, Marcelo da Silva marc...@ig.com.br
 escreveu:

  Hum...
  Muito bom saber disso Ivan.
  O detalhe é que como o Unity vem como visual default, muitos nem imaginam
  que podem mudar pro gnome.
  O Kubuntu vem com o Desktop padrão por default, e muitos nem imaginam que
 o
  layout Web pode ser ativado.
  Talvez um icone de acesso rápido a essas opcões talvez fariam deles
 melhor
  e
  mais conhecidos.
  Na tela de propriedades do Desktop poderia ter a opcão de mudar do Gnome
  pro
  Unity e vice versa.
 
  Marcelo Silva
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  Em 9 de abril de 2011 15:43, Ivan Brasil Fuzzer i...@fuzzer.com.br
  escreveu:
 
   Somente uma pequena observação, O 11.04 vem com Gnome 2 mas a 11.10
 virá
   com o Gnome 3. O Unity é apenas o shell do Ubuntu, não substitui o
 Gnome.
  
   Recomendo a todos que ouçam o Podcast Opencast episódio #2 [1] que tem
  uma
   conversa com André Gondim e um dos pontos que falamos é exatamente
 desta
   confusão que muita gente tem feito a respeito do Ubuntu abandonar ou
 não
  o
   Gnome.
  
   [1]
  
 
 http://www.ubuntero.com.br/2011/03/opencast-episodio-2-comunidade-ubuntu-br/
  
   Em 09-04-2011 10:50, Marcelo da Silva escreveu:
  
É pessoal, que pena a Canonical apostar no Unity.
   O Gnome3 parece estar bem mais agradável, vejam:
  
   http://gnome3.org/
  
   O Suse e Fedora estão com ele.
  
   Claro que pode-se instalar depois, mas sabe aquele ditado, a primeira
   impressãp é a que fica?
  
  
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[Ubuntu-BR] Configuração no SQUID

2011-04-10 Thread Marcos Tulio

Prezados Ubunteiros,

Estou precisando das linhas de configuração para bloquear os usuários de 
acessarem proxys externos utilizando IPs pelo Squid. Estou encontrando na 
empresa os usuários pelo navegador configurando os navegadores para fazerem 
conexão com IPs externos e portas como 80, 8080, 443 e 3128. Como faço para 
bloquear no Squid os acessos a IPS tais como o exemplo : http://74.54.220.14 
(Bloquear qualquer IP digitado, mas libera nomes). Estou precisando da 
configuração da ACL para definição da máscara e a forma de negar o acesso. 
Tentei algumas configurações que peguei na internet, mas não resolveu.


Obrigado.
Marcos



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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Linux como AP + Hostpad

2011-04-10 Thread Ksatrya_Linux
Muito obrigado Fábio pelo seu retorno e ajuda! Essa semana vou tentar seguir
os passos desse tutorial, grande abraço,

Ksatrya

Em 8 de abril de 2011 15:50, Fábio Rabelo fa...@fabiorabelo.wiki.brescreveu:

 Boa tarde ...

 A documentação ainda é meio escassa, esta é a melhor que eu encontrei :

 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1663788

 Mas eu não consegui colocar nenhum dos dois adaptadores que eu tenho no ar
 !

 Até onde eu pude apurar, o hostapd ainda não é compatível ( não sabe
 como colocar em modo master ) com os adaptadores Wireless N, eu
 tentei com um atheros AR9001 e com um  realtek 8176 .

 Ambos funcionam como clientes tanto com o wpasupplicant qto com o
 wicd, mas qdo tento colocar qualquer um deles em modo master recebo
 esta msg :

 firewall:~# hostapd -d /etc/hostapd/hostapd.conf
 Configuration file: /etc/hostapd/hostapd.conf
 nl80211: Register Action command failed: ret=-95 (Operation not supported)
 nl80211: Register Action match - hexdump(len=1): 06
 nl80211: Failed to register Action frame processing - ignore for now
 nl80211: Add own interface ifindex 4
 nl80211: Failed to set interface 4 to mode 3: -95 (Operation not supported)
 nl80211: Failed to set interface 4 to mode 3: -95 (Operation not supported)
 nl80211: Interface mode change to 3 from 0 failed
 nl80211: Failed to set interface wlan0 into AP mode
 nl80211 driver initialization failed.
 ELOOP: remaining socket: sock=4 eloop_data=0x8105a68
 user_data=0x8106010 handler=0x807bc80
 ELOOP: remaining socket: sock=6 eloop_data=0x8107830 user_data=(nil)
 handler=0x8085680


 O problema tb poderia ser com o firmware, mas eu não consegui confirmar ...

 Se o Seu adaptador for wireless G provavelmente o Sr. não terá problemas
 ...

 E se alguém tiver alguma sujestão, por favor envie-nos na lista !!!



 Fábio Rabelo



 Em 8 de abril de 2011 15:33, Ksatrya_Linux govabu...@gmail.com escreveu:
  Boa tarde pessoal!!!
 
  Estou tentando fazer do meu gateway linux também um AP Wireless, antes eu
  fazeia isto fácil através do MADWIFI e um simples script mas depois que o
  mesmo foi descontinuado eu não consigo mais. Me aconselharam fazer com o
  HOSTAPD que seria muito mais seguro e completo mas eu não estou
 conseguindo.
  Alguém poderia me ajudar? Alguém teria um passo-a-passo que me ajudasse a
  fazer isso de uma forma simples inicilamente e depois eu mesmo vou
  incrementando? Abraços,
 
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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Será que o Ubuntu vai ficar fora dessa? - GNOME3 quase lando!

2011-04-10 Thread Julio Henrique Oliveira
Concordo com você. O grub2 ficou uma porcaria.
Abraços

Júlio
Em 10/04/2011 10:58, Renato Alvim renato.al...@gmail.com escreveu:
 E já chega o Grub2, não?

 Em 9 de abril de 2011 23:35, Renan Traba rv...@inf.ufpr.br escreveu:

 nen tudo eh as mil maravilhas no gnome3, nao da pra configurar tema nele
(
 so sendo expert )

 Em 9 de abril de 2011 16:16, Marcelo da Silva marc...@ig.com.br
 escreveu:

  Hum...
  Muito bom saber disso Ivan.
  O detalhe é que como o Unity vem como visual default, muitos nem
imaginam
  que podem mudar pro gnome.
  O Kubuntu vem com o Desktop padrão por default, e muitos nem imaginam
que
 o
  layout Web pode ser ativado.
  Talvez um icone de acesso rápido a essas opcões talvez fariam deles
 melhor
  e
  mais conhecidos.
  Na tela de propriedades do Desktop poderia ter a opcão de mudar do
Gnome
  pro
  Unity e vice versa.
 
  Marcelo Silva
  --
 
 
  Em 9 de abril de 2011 15:43, Ivan Brasil Fuzzer i...@fuzzer.com.br
  escreveu:
 
   Somente uma pequena observação, O 11.04 vem com Gnome 2 mas a 11.10
 virá
   com o Gnome 3. O Unity é apenas o shell do Ubuntu, não substitui o
 Gnome.
  
   Recomendo a todos que ouçam o Podcast Opencast episódio #2 [1] que
tem
  uma
   conversa com André Gondim e um dos pontos que falamos é exatamente
 desta
   confusão que muita gente tem feito a respeito do Ubuntu abandonar ou
 não
  o
   Gnome.
  
   [1]
  
 

http://www.ubuntero.com.br/2011/03/opencast-episodio-2-comunidade-ubuntu-br/
  
   Em 09-04-2011 10:50, Marcelo da Silva escreveu:
  
   É pessoal, que pena a Canonical apostar no Unity.
   O Gnome3 parece estar bem mais agradável, vejam:
  
   http://gnome3.org/
  
   O Suse e Fedora estão com ele.
  
   Claro que pode-se instalar depois, mas sabe aquele ditado, a
primeira
   impressãp é a que fica?
  
  
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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Será que o Ubuntu vai ficar fora dessa? - GNOME3 quase lando!

2011-04-10 Thread Sidney
Boa tarde pessoal, entrando de curioso no assunto...

Aqui uso o grub2 tranquilo. Acho simples e objetivo.
Quando vi os comentários de vocês fiquei curioso.
O que exatamente não presta ou falta no grub2?

Abraço..
Sidney




2011/4/10 Julio Henrique Oliveira julioh1...@gmail.com

 Concordo com você. O grub2 ficou uma porcaria.
 Abraços

 Júlio
 Em 10/04/2011 10:58, Renato Alvim renato.al...@gmail.com escreveu:
  E já chega o Grub2, não?
 
  Em 9 de abril de 2011 23:35, Renan Traba rv...@inf.ufpr.br escreveu:
 
  nen tudo eh as mil maravilhas no gnome3, nao da pra configurar tema nele
 (
  so sendo expert )
 
  Em 9 de abril de 2011 16:16, Marcelo da Silva marc...@ig.com.br
  escreveu:
 
   Hum...
   Muito bom saber disso Ivan.
   O detalhe é que como o Unity vem como visual default, muitos nem
 imaginam
   que podem mudar pro gnome.
   O Kubuntu vem com o Desktop padrão por default, e muitos nem imaginam
 que
  o
   layout Web pode ser ativado.
   Talvez um icone de acesso rápido a essas opcões talvez fariam deles
  melhor
   e
   mais conhecidos.
   Na tela de propriedades do Desktop poderia ter a opcão de mudar do
 Gnome
   pro
   Unity e vice versa.
  
   Marcelo Silva
   --
  
  
   Em 9 de abril de 2011 15:43, Ivan Brasil Fuzzer i...@fuzzer.com.br
   escreveu:
  
Somente uma pequena observação, O 11.04 vem com Gnome 2 mas a 11.10
  virá
com o Gnome 3. O Unity é apenas o shell do Ubuntu, não substitui o
  Gnome.
   
Recomendo a todos que ouçam o Podcast Opencast episódio #2 [1] que
 tem
   uma
conversa com André Gondim e um dos pontos que falamos é exatamente
  desta
confusão que muita gente tem feito a respeito do Ubuntu abandonar ou
  não
   o
Gnome.
   
[1]
   
  
 

 http://www.ubuntero.com.br/2011/03/opencast-episodio-2-comunidade-ubuntu-br/
   
Em 09-04-2011 10:50, Marcelo da Silva escreveu:
   
É pessoal, que pena a Canonical apostar no Unity.
O Gnome3 parece estar bem mais agradável, vejam:
   
http://gnome3.org/
   
O Suse e Fedora estão com ele.
   
Claro que pode-se instalar depois, mas sabe aquele ditado, a
 primeira
impressãp é a que fica?
   
   
Marcelo Silva
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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Será que o Ubuntu vai ficar fora dessa? - GNOME3 quase lando!

2011-04-10 Thread Julio Henrique Oliveira
Olá,

Na minha opinião a versão anterior do grub tinha uma configuração mais
simples e otimizada e não precisava mexer nisso. Se haviam aspectos a serem
mudados, não era o modo de configuração que precisava mudar.

[]'s

Júlio
Em 10/04/2011 16:46, Sidney slin...@gmail.com escreveu:
 Boa tarde pessoal, entrando de curioso no assunto...

 Aqui uso o grub2 tranquilo. Acho simples e objetivo.
 Quando vi os comentários de vocês fiquei curioso.
 O que exatamente não presta ou falta no grub2?

 Abraço..
 Sidney




 2011/4/10 Julio Henrique Oliveira julioh1...@gmail.com

 Concordo com você. O grub2 ficou uma porcaria.
 Abraços

 Júlio
 Em 10/04/2011 10:58, Renato Alvim renato.al...@gmail.com escreveu:
  E já chega o Grub2, não?
 
  Em 9 de abril de 2011 23:35, Renan Traba rv...@inf.ufpr.br escreveu:
 
  nen tudo eh as mil maravilhas no gnome3, nao da pra configurar tema
nele
 (
  so sendo expert )
 
  Em 9 de abril de 2011 16:16, Marcelo da Silva marc...@ig.com.br
  escreveu:
 
   Hum...
   Muito bom saber disso Ivan.
   O detalhe é que como o Unity vem como visual default, muitos nem
 imaginam
   que podem mudar pro gnome.
   O Kubuntu vem com o Desktop padrão por default, e muitos nem
imaginam
 que
  o
   layout Web pode ser ativado.
   Talvez um icone de acesso rápido a essas opcões talvez fariam deles
  melhor
   e
   mais conhecidos.
   Na tela de propriedades do Desktop poderia ter a opcão de mudar do
 Gnome
   pro
   Unity e vice versa.
  
   Marcelo Silva
   --
  
  
   Em 9 de abril de 2011 15:43, Ivan Brasil Fuzzer i...@fuzzer.com.br
   escreveu:
  
Somente uma pequena observação, O 11.04 vem com Gnome 2 mas a
11.10
  virá
com o Gnome 3. O Unity é apenas o shell do Ubuntu, não substitui o
  Gnome.
   
Recomendo a todos que ouçam o Podcast Opencast episódio #2 [1] que
 tem
   uma
conversa com André Gondim e um dos pontos que falamos é exatamente
  desta
confusão que muita gente tem feito a respeito do Ubuntu abandonar
ou
  não
   o
Gnome.
   
[1]
   
  
 


http://www.ubuntero.com.br/2011/03/opencast-episodio-2-comunidade-ubuntu-br/
   
Em 09-04-2011 10:50, Marcelo da Silva escreveu:
   
É pessoal, que pena a Canonical apostar no Unity.
O Gnome3 parece estar bem mais agradável, vejam:
   
http://gnome3.org/
   
O Suse e Fedora estão com ele.
   
Claro que pode-se instalar depois, mas sabe aquele ditado, a
 primeira
impressãp é a que fica?
   
   
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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Será que o Ubuntu vai ficar fora dessa? - GNOME3 quase lando!

2011-04-10 Thread Andre Cavalcante
Oh!oh!, tá virando OT, não seria interessante outro tópico para se discutir
o Grub2?
Por favor, aqui só Gnome3

Abraços

André Cavalcante
Caparica, Portugal

2011/4/10 Sidney slin...@gmail.com

 Boa tarde pessoal, entrando de curioso no assunto...

 Aqui uso o grub2 tranquilo. Acho simples e objetivo.
 Quando vi os comentários de vocês fiquei curioso.
 O que exatamente não presta ou falta no grub2?

 Abraço..
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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] [OFF-TOPIC] Skype 2.2 Beta não detecta aparece imagem da minha cam.

2011-04-10 Thread Welington Rodrigues Braga
No meu sempre precisou este artifício. Toda vez que atualizava o Skype
precisava fazer isso e desta vez não foi diferente.

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Em 7 de abril de 2011 11:22, Ivan Brasil Fuzzer i...@fuzzer.com.brescreveu:

 É uma boa pergunta, se eu tivesse lido que funcionava anteriormente,
 talvez, nem teria dado a ideia de usar o comando.

 Em 07-04-2011 11:19, Paulo Henrique Colen escreveu:

  Dei uma linda... Interessante mesmo.
 Agora fico me perguntando, porque isso não era necessário na versão
 anterior.
 Ivan, brigadão.

 Em 7 de abril de 2011 09:28, Ivan Brasil Fuzzeri...@fuzzer.com.br
 escreveu:

  Desta maneira você utiliza uma biblioteca que faz ponte entre o v4l2 e
 v4l1, os responsáveis pelas webcams, isso a grosso modo.
 Se quiser ver uma explicação mais detalhada, em inglês, veja este
 endereço
 http://www.linuxtv.org/downloads/v4l-dvb-apis/libv4l.html

 Em 07-04-2011 09:24, Paulo Henrique Colen escreveu:

  Funcinou perfeitamente Ivan..

 Me explica o comando?

 Em 7 de abril de 2011 09:11, Paulo Henrique Colen
 paulo.co...@gmail.comescreveu:

  Vou testar Ivan..

 Funcionava sim Paulo.

 Em 7 de abril de 2011 09:02, Paulo Rogério Batalhão
 pa...@foxmail.com.br

 escreveu:

 bom dia,

  (Nunca usei chamada por vídeo no skype/linux e me bateu uma dúvida)


 * Na versão anterior funcionava a sua CAM?




 Em 07/04/2011 08:59, Paulo Henrique Colen escreveu:

  Bom dia gente, como nem tudo são flores, a nova versão 2.2 beta do

 skype

 detecta minha cam, mas não aparece a imagem, mesmo na configuração do
 video,
 ontem tem testar. Isso baixando a versão do site do skype, e hj saiu
 uma
 atualização pra ele, ambos não funcionaram minha cam..
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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Ubuntu 11.04 em pcs velhos

2011-04-10 Thread Welington Rodrigues Braga
Acabei de queimar um DVD-RW com a imagem do Beta e fiz um boot na minha
máquina.

Achei o boot bem rápido, pra um sistema que esta em um DVD, mas foi só ai
que tive velocidade. Após carregar a Interface do Unity, que parecia estar
perfeita, não conseguia operar o sistema. Cada clique levava uns 10 ou 10
segundos para serem obedecidos, deixando o sistema inutil para qualquer
coisa.

Minha placa de vídeo é uma ATI Radeon HD 4600 com 1GB de memória e rodo o
Maverick sem problemas, inclusive com o Compiz e o Cairo-Dock GLX sem
dificuldades.

Se já não bastasse a mudança radical em relação ao gnome, agora este
resultado do teste me deixou bastante apreensivo, quanto a atualizar para a
nova versão.

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Em 5 de abril de 2011 18:59, Ivan Brasil Fuzzer i...@fuzzer.com.brescreveu:

 Para rodar com o Unity a placa de vídeo tem que ter suporte a 3D. Existe o
 Unity 2D mas ainda não testei o mesmo.
 A versão que está mostrando é a versão padrão quando o suporte a 3D não
 exites para a placa de vídeo.

 Em 05-04-2011 18:03, Fa escreveu:


 Oi


 Tentei instalar o Ubuntu 11.04 em máquinas antigas, com mais de 3 anos, 32
 bits, com 1 GB ou 768 MB de memória, que já estavam com uUbuntu 10.10,
 Firefox 4 e LibreOffice 3.3.2 em pt-BRs, os últimos com várias extensões
 instaladas.

 Usei Alt F2 e update-manager -d

 Em um pc aparentemente instalou direito, ficando com a interface Unity,
 Firefox 4, mantendo os complementos instalados e LibreOffice 3.3.2 em
 inglês, também mantendo as extensões instaladas. Instalei a linguagem ptBR
 pelo Synaptic e aparentemente ficou tudo certo.

 Mas em outro pc, não é a interface nova que aparece, e, apesar dele
 informar em Monitor de sistema que é o 11.04, tem toda a cara do 10.10,
 inclusive com o painel superior apresentando Aplicativos, Locais e Sistema.

 E, em outro pc, avisou que não suporta a 11.4, indicando a versão antiga.
 Mas, em monitor de sistema diz que é 11.04. E também não apresenta a
 interface Unity. E também continua com o painel superior apresentando
 Aplicativos, Locais e Sistema.

 Alguém sabe me informar o que está acontecendo e se tem jeito de deixar
 todos os pcs com o 11.4 e com interface nova?

 Ou os pcs estão abaixo dos requisitos de hardware, mesmo?


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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Configuração no SQUID

2011-04-10 Thread Wemerson Henriques
As acl's:

acl proibidos url_regex -i /etc/squid/proibidos
acl proibidos-exceto url_regex -i /etc/squid/proibidos-exceto

http_access deny proibidos !proibidos-exceto



E em /etc/squid/

criei dois arquivos:
proibidos, com as mascaras para bloqueio de acesso por ip ou outros
sites mais que queira bloquear:

^[0-9]+\.[0-9]+\.[0-9]+\.[0-9]+
^http://[0-9]+\.[0-9]+\.[0-9]+\.[0-9]+
^https://[0-9]+\.[0-9]+\.[0-9]+\.[0-9]+

E proibidos-exceto que não bloqueiam os ips como por exemplo ips
internos e serviços da internet que precisam ser acessados por ip:

^http://192.168.1.128
^http://192.168.1.243
^http://192.168.1.254

Em 10 de abril de 2011 11:53, Marcos Tulio mar...@pb.senac.br escreveu:
 Prezados Ubunteiros,

 Estou precisando das linhas de configuração para bloquear os usuários de
 acessarem proxys externos utilizando IPs pelo Squid. Estou encontrando na
 empresa os usuários pelo navegador configurando os navegadores para fazerem
 conexão com IPs externos e portas como 80, 8080, 443 e 3128. Como faço para
 bloquear no Squid os acessos a IPS tais como o exemplo : http://74.54.220.14
 (Bloquear qualquer IP digitado, mas libera nomes). Estou precisando da
 configuração da ACL para definição da máscara e a forma de negar o acesso.
 Tentei algumas configurações que peguei na internet, mas não resolveu.

 Obrigado.
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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Bloqueio do Ultra Surf

2011-04-10 Thread Wemerson Henriques
As acl's:

acl proibidos url_regex -i /etc/squid/proibidos
acl proibidos-exceto url_regex -i /etc/squid/proibidos-exceto

http_access deny proibidos !proibidos-exceto



E em /etc/squid/

criei dois arquivos:
proibidos, com as mascaras para bloqueio de acesso por ip ou outros
sites mais que queira bloquear:

^[0-9]+\.[0-9]+\.[0-9]+\.[0-9]+
^http://[0-9]+\.[0-9]+\.[0-9]+\.[0-9]+
^https://[0-9]+\.[0-9]+\.[0-9]+\.[0-9]+

E proibidos-exceto que não bloqueiam os ips como por exemplo ips
internos e serviços da internet que precisam ser acessados por ip:

^http://192.168.1.128
^http://192.168.1.243
^http://192.168.1.254

desculpe a demora em responder

Em 8 de abril de 2011 14:40, Marcos Tulio mar...@pb.senac.br escreveu:
 Existe um erro na linha de comando do IPTABLES, o correto é

           iptables -t filter -A FORWARD -s 192.168.10.0/24 -j DROP -p tcp





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[Ubuntu-BR] Kboing ouvir músicas

2011-04-10 Thread Hudson Costa
Olá pessoal, estou tentando ouvir música no kboing, porém não estou
conseguindo já pesquisei de tudo quanto é jeito na internet e não consegui
resolver o problema. A solução mais próxima que encontrei foi com o vlc, só
que se eu quiser seleciornar várias músicas para ouvir ele só toca a
primeira, sem contar que a performance não é a mesma demora bastante para
iniciar a música.

Alguem pode me ajudar?

att.

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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Configuração no SQUID

2011-04-10 Thread Marcos Tulio

Obrigado Wemerson


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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Kboing ouvir músicas

2011-04-10 Thread Humberto Fraga
Custava dizer o que é kboing? Mas enfim: esses sites não querem ser ouvidos
no linux. Que tal ouvir o Jamendo, que já está integrado ao rhythmbox? Nele
tem muita coisa boa, a grande maioria é desconhecida, mas toca perfeitamente
e se você gostar, pode baixar pro seu HD de graça e sem violar leis.

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 Olá pessoal, estou tentando ouvir música no kboing, porém não estou
 conseguindo já pesquisei de tudo quanto é jeito na internet e não consegui
 resolver o problema. A solução mais próxima que encontrei foi com o vlc, só
 que se eu quiser seleciornar várias músicas para ouvir ele só toca a
 primeira, sem contar que a performance não é a mesma demora bastante para
 iniciar a música.

 Alguem pode me ajudar?

 att.

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[Ubuntu-BR] Esconder Kernel antigo (no boot) depois da atualização

2011-04-10 Thread Keppler

Olá galera!
Como faço para esconder o Kernel antigo após eu atualizar meu Ubuntu?
Andei pesquisando e vi o Startup Manager, mas ele somente define o tempo 
de espera do boot e qual será o Kernel ou o OS que quero que carregue 
primeiro. Como disse, gostaria de esconder o Kernel antigo...


grato,
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[Ubuntu-BR] [off-topic] Curiosidade sobre outro tópico

2011-04-10 Thread Sidney
Bom, tive uma curiosidade aqui na lista de discussão sobre o grub2, citado
no tópico do gnome3. Acredito que tenha sido citado pelo fato de o gnome3
ter mantido o grub2.
Como não pude simplesmente saber por lá, abri este tópico como foi sugerido
sei lá eu por quem...

Vou repetir minha questão aqui no novo tópico:

Boa tarde pessoal, entrando de curioso no assunto...

Aqui uso o grub2 tranquilo. Acho simples e objetivo.
Quando vi os comentários de vocês fiquei curioso.
O que exatamente não presta ou falta no grub2?

Abraço..

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   É pessoal, que pena a Canonical apostar no Unity.
O Gnome3 parece estar bem mais agradável, vejam:

http://gnome3.org/

O Suse e Fedora estão com ele.

Claro que pode-se instalar depois, mas sabe aquele ditado, a primeira
impressãp é a que fica?


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   Somente uma pequena observação, O 11.04 vem com Gnome 2 mas a 11.10 virá
com o Gnome 3. O Unity é apenas o shell do Ubuntu, não substitui o Gnome.

Recomendo a todos que ouçam o Podcast Opencast episódio #2 [1] que tem uma
conversa com André Gondim e um dos pontos que falamos é exatamente desta
confusão que muita gente tem feito a respeito do Ubuntu abandonar ou não o
Gnome.

[1]
http://www.ubuntero.com.br/2011/03/opencast-episodio-2-comunidade-ubuntu-br/

Em 09-04-2011 10:50, Marcelo da Silva escreveu:
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   Hum...
Muito bom saber disso Ivan.
O detalhe é que como o Unity vem como visual default, muitos nem imaginam
que podem mudar pro gnome.
O Kubuntu vem com o Desktop padrão por default, e muitos nem imaginam que o
layout Web pode ser ativado.
Talvez um icone de acesso rápido a essas opcões talvez fariam deles melhor e
mais conhecidos.
Na tela de propriedades do Desktop poderia ter a opcão de mudar do Gnome pro
Unity e vice versa.

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   nen tudo eh as mil maravilhas no gnome3, nao da pra configurar tema nele
(
so sendo expert )

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   Olha, não sou desenvolvedor nem nada.
Uso Debian/Ubuntu desde a versão 9.04, a *não *gostei do novo Gnome.
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   E já chega o Grub2, não?

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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Esconder Kernel antigo (no boot) depois da atualização

2011-04-10 Thread Nelson Corrêa

Olá Keppler,

Pode haver diferenças de procedimento em função da versão do Ubuntu que 
você está utilizando. Mas uma maneira bem direta é entrar no Synaptic e 
remover tudo relacionado com o antigo kernel, como por exemplo image, 
headers, backports, etc. É só dar uma busca lá no Synaptic pela versão 
do seu kernel antigo (ex. 2.6.xx-y) e marcar para desinstalar o que está 
instalado. Depois abra o startup manager que ele corrige automaticamente.


Existem outras formas, mas essa é rápida, direta e indolor (se a nova 
instalação do kernel já estiver rodando sem problemas). ;-)


Abraços e sucesso,
Nelson

On 04/11/2011 12:03 AM, Keppler wrote:

Olá galera!
Como faço para esconder o Kernel antigo após eu atualizar meu Ubuntu?
Andei pesquisando e vi o Startup Manager, mas ele somente define o 
tempo de espera do boot e qual será o Kernel ou o OS que quero que 
carregue primeiro. Como disse, gostaria de esconder o Kernel antigo...


grato,
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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Esconder Kernel antigo (no boot) depois da atualização

2011-04-10 Thread Marcus Mac-Ginity

Keppler!

Podes tentar usando o Grub Customizer.  Nesse programa gráfico há a  
possibilidade de esconder, reaparecer e mudar várias opções do Grub2. Mas  
antes de mexer em configurações do Grub2 seria bom ter certeza do que está  
fazendo pra não ficar sem acesso ao seu hd. Procura informações na net...

Não esquece de gravar na MBR para funcionar no próximo boot...
Marcus

Em Mon, 11 Apr 2011 00:03:40 -0300, Keppler jurgenkepp...@gmail.com  
escreveu:



Olá galera!
Como faço para esconder o Kernel antigo após eu atualizar meu Ubuntu?
Andei pesquisando e vi o Startup Manager, mas ele somente define o tempo  
de espera do boot e qual será o Kernel ou o OS que quero que carregue  
primeiro. Como disse, gostaria de esconder o Kernel antigo...


grato,
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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] [off-topic] Curiosidade sobre outro tópico

2011-04-10 Thread Renato Alvim
Nada deve have de mal no grub2.
O problema nunca foi ele e sim a falta de sabermos como lidar com ele.
Ele pode ser a oitava maravilha do mundo...
Mas no antigo a gente mexia facilmente.
Nesse, tudo parece infernal.
Só iso.
Não misturemos as coisas.
Ninguém quer abolir o grub2!
Queremos apenas lidar com ele sem termos que nos tornara especialistas em
grub ou fazer algum pós-graduação!
Simples assim...
Como era o anterior.
|ENtendeu, amigo?

Em 11 de abril de 2011 00:25, Sidney slin...@gmail.com escreveu:

 Bom, tive uma curiosidade aqui na lista de discussão sobre o grub2, citado
 no tópico do gnome3. Acredito que tenha sido citado pelo fato de o gnome3
 ter mantido o grub2.
 Como não pude simplesmente saber por lá, abri este tópico como foi sugerido
 sei lá eu por quem...

 Vou repetir minha questão aqui no novo tópico:

 Boa tarde pessoal, entrando de curioso no assunto...

 Aqui uso o grub2 tranquilo. Acho simples e objetivo.
 Quando vi os comentários de vocês fiquei curioso.
 O que exatamente não presta ou falta no grub2?

 Abraço..

 Caso precisem saber o contexto da pergunta, está abaixo:


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   É pessoal, que pena a Canonical apostar no Unity.
 O Gnome3 parece estar bem mais agradável, vejam:

 http://gnome3.org/

 O Suse e Fedora estão com ele.

 Claro que pode-se instalar depois, mas sabe aquele ditado, a primeira
 impressãp é a que fica?


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   Somente uma pequena observação, O 11.04 vem com Gnome 2 mas a 11.10 virá
 com o Gnome 3. O Unity é apenas o shell do Ubuntu, não substitui o Gnome.

 Recomendo a todos que ouçam o Podcast Opencast episódio #2 [1] que tem uma
 conversa com André Gondim e um dos pontos que falamos é exatamente desta
 confusão que muita gente tem feito a respeito do Ubuntu abandonar ou não o
 Gnome.

 [1]

 http://www.ubuntero.com.br/2011/03/opencast-episodio-2-comunidade-ubuntu-br/

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   Hum...
 Muito bom saber disso Ivan.
 O detalhe é que como o Unity vem como visual default, muitos nem imaginam
 que podem mudar pro gnome.
 O Kubuntu vem com o Desktop padrão por default, e muitos nem imaginam que o
 layout Web pode ser ativado.
 Talvez um icone de acesso rápido a essas opcões talvez fariam deles melhor
 e
 mais conhecidos.
 Na tela de propriedades do Desktop poderia ter a opcão de mudar do Gnome
 pro
 Unity e vice versa.

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   nen tudo eh as mil maravilhas no gnome3, nao da pra configurar tema nele
 (
 so sendo expert )

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 Uso Debian/Ubuntu desde a versão 9.04, a *não *gostei do novo Gnome.
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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Será que o Ubuntu vai ficar fora dessa? - GNOME3 quase lando!

2011-04-10 Thread Renato Alvim
O grub2 foi citado aqui...

Em 10 de abril de 2011 17:26, Andre Cavalcante andre.d.cavalca...@gmail.com
 escreveu:

 Oh!oh!, tá virando OT, não seria interessante outro tópico para se discutir
 o Grub2?
 Por favor, aqui só Gnome3

 Abraços

 André Cavalcante
 Caparica, Portugal

 2011/4/10 Sidney slin...@gmail.com

  Boa tarde pessoal, entrando de curioso no assunto...
 
  Aqui uso o grub2 tranquilo. Acho simples e objetivo.
  Quando vi os comentários de vocês fiquei curioso.
  O que exatamente não presta ou falta no grub2?
 
  Abraço..
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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Será que o Ubuntu vai ficar fora dessa? - GNOME3 quase lando!

2011-04-10 Thread Renato Alvim
Faça alguma alteração nele...
Ou melhor, TENTE fazer, amigo.
|Depois voltamos a nos falar.

Em 10 de abril de 2011 16:46, Sidney slin...@gmail.com escreveu:

 Boa tarde pessoal, entrando de curioso no assunto...

 Aqui uso o grub2 tranquilo. Acho simples e objetivo.
 Quando vi os comentários de vocês fiquei curioso.
 O que exatamente não presta ou falta no grub2?

 Abraço..
 Sidney




 2011/4/10 Julio Henrique Oliveira julioh1...@gmail.com

  Concordo com você. O grub2 ficou uma porcaria.
  Abraços
 
  Júlio
  Em 10/04/2011 10:58, Renato Alvim renato.al...@gmail.com escreveu:
   E já chega o Grub2, não?
  
   Em 9 de abril de 2011 23:35, Renan Traba rv...@inf.ufpr.br escreveu:
  
   nen tudo eh as mil maravilhas no gnome3, nao da pra configurar tema
 nele
  (
   so sendo expert )
  
   Em 9 de abril de 2011 16:16, Marcelo da Silva marc...@ig.com.br
   escreveu:
  
Hum...
Muito bom saber disso Ivan.
O detalhe é que como o Unity vem como visual default, muitos nem
  imaginam
que podem mudar pro gnome.
O Kubuntu vem com o Desktop padrão por default, e muitos nem
 imaginam
  que
   o
layout Web pode ser ativado.
Talvez um icone de acesso rápido a essas opcões talvez fariam deles
   melhor
e
mais conhecidos.
Na tela de propriedades do Desktop poderia ter a opcão de mudar do
  Gnome
pro
Unity e vice versa.
   
Marcelo Silva
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Em 9 de abril de 2011 15:43, Ivan Brasil Fuzzer i...@fuzzer.com.br
escreveu:
   
 Somente uma pequena observação, O 11.04 vem com Gnome 2 mas a
 11.10
   virá
 com o Gnome 3. O Unity é apenas o shell do Ubuntu, não substitui o
   Gnome.

 Recomendo a todos que ouçam o Podcast Opencast episódio #2 [1] que
  tem
uma
 conversa com André Gondim e um dos pontos que falamos é exatamente
   desta
 confusão que muita gente tem feito a respeito do Ubuntu abandonar
 ou
   não
o
 Gnome.

 [1]

   
  
 
 
 http://www.ubuntero.com.br/2011/03/opencast-episodio-2-comunidade-ubuntu-br/

 Em 09-04-2011 10:50, Marcelo da Silva escreveu:

 É pessoal, que pena a Canonical apostar no Unity.
 O Gnome3 parece estar bem mais agradável, vejam:

 http://gnome3.org/

 O Suse e Fedora estão com ele.

 Claro que pode-se instalar depois, mas sabe aquele ditado, a
  primeira
 impressãp é a que fica?


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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Será que o Ubuntu vai ficar fora dessa? - GNOME3 quase lando!

2011-04-10 Thread Renato Alvim
Isso aí!

Em 10 de abril de 2011 17:25, Julio Henrique Oliveira
julioh1...@gmail.comescreveu:

 Olá,

 Na minha opinião a versão anterior do grub tinha uma configuração mais
 simples e otimizada e não precisava mexer nisso. Se haviam aspectos a serem
 mudados, não era o modo de configuração que precisava mudar.

 []'s

 Júlio
 Em 10/04/2011 16:46, Sidney slin...@gmail.com escreveu:
  Boa tarde pessoal, entrando de curioso no assunto...
 
  Aqui uso o grub2 tranquilo. Acho simples e objetivo.
  Quando vi os comentários de vocês fiquei curioso.
  O que exatamente não presta ou falta no grub2?
 
  Abraço..
  Sidney
 
 
 
 
  2011/4/10 Julio Henrique Oliveira julioh1...@gmail.com
 
  Concordo com você. O grub2 ficou uma porcaria.
  Abraços
 
  Júlio
  Em 10/04/2011 10:58, Renato Alvim renato.al...@gmail.com escreveu:
   E já chega o Grub2, não?
  
   Em 9 de abril de 2011 23:35, Renan Traba rv...@inf.ufpr.br
 escreveu:
  
   nen tudo eh as mil maravilhas no gnome3, nao da pra configurar tema
 nele
  (
   so sendo expert )
  
   Em 9 de abril de 2011 16:16, Marcelo da Silva marc...@ig.com.br
   escreveu:
  
Hum...
Muito bom saber disso Ivan.
O detalhe é que como o Unity vem como visual default, muitos nem
  imaginam
que podem mudar pro gnome.
O Kubuntu vem com o Desktop padrão por default, e muitos nem
 imaginam
  que
   o
layout Web pode ser ativado.
Talvez um icone de acesso rápido a essas opcões talvez fariam deles
   melhor
e
mais conhecidos.
Na tela de propriedades do Desktop poderia ter a opcão de mudar do
  Gnome
pro
Unity e vice versa.
   
Marcelo Silva
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Em 9 de abril de 2011 15:43, Ivan Brasil Fuzzer 
 i...@fuzzer.com.br
escreveu:
   
 Somente uma pequena observação, O 11.04 vem com Gnome 2 mas a
 11.10
   virá
 com o Gnome 3. O Unity é apenas o shell do Ubuntu, não substitui
 o
   Gnome.

 Recomendo a todos que ouçam o Podcast Opencast episódio #2 [1]
 que
  tem
uma
 conversa com André Gondim e um dos pontos que falamos é
 exatamente
   desta
 confusão que muita gente tem feito a respeito do Ubuntu abandonar
 ou
   não
o
 Gnome.

 [1]

   
  
 
 

 http://www.ubuntero.com.br/2011/03/opencast-episodio-2-comunidade-ubuntu-br/

 Em 09-04-2011 10:50, Marcelo da Silva escreveu:

 É pessoal, que pena a Canonical apostar no Unity.
 O Gnome3 parece estar bem mais agradável, vejam:

 http://gnome3.org/

 O Suse e Fedora estão com ele.

 Claro que pode-se instalar depois, mas sabe aquele ditado, a
  primeira
 impressãp é a que fica?


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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] [off-topic] Curiosidade sobre outro tópico

2011-04-10 Thread Sidney
Famosa resposta/desabafo. rs

Entendi sim... era só uma curiosidade do porquê houve críticas ao 'pobre
coitado'.
Na verdade apenas uso o básico dele, por isso não tenho esse tipo de
situação.
Mas deve ser bem irritante, em vista das palavras 'amigáveis' que você usou
pra se referir a ele rsss.

Agradeço pela resposta. ;)

Abraço

2011/4/11 Renato Alvim renato.al...@gmail.com

 Nada deve have de mal no grub2.
 O problema nunca foi ele e sim a falta de sabermos como lidar com ele.
 Ele pode ser a oitava maravilha do mundo...
 Mas no antigo a gente mexia facilmente.
 Nesse, tudo parece infernal.
 Só iso.
 Não misturemos as coisas.
 Ninguém quer abolir o grub2!
 Queremos apenas lidar com ele sem termos que nos tornara especialistas em
 grub ou fazer algum pós-graduação!
 Simples assim...
 Como era o anterior.
 |ENtendeu, amigo?

 Em 11 de abril de 2011 00:25, Sidney slin...@gmail.com escreveu:

  Bom, tive uma curiosidade aqui na lista de discussão sobre o grub2,
 citado
  no tópico do gnome3. Acredito que tenha sido citado pelo fato de o gnome3
  ter mantido o grub2.
  Como não pude simplesmente saber por lá, abri este tópico como foi
 sugerido
  sei lá eu por quem...
 
  Vou repetir minha questão aqui no novo tópico:
 
  Boa tarde pessoal, entrando de curioso no assunto...
 
  Aqui uso o grub2 tranquilo. Acho simples e objetivo.
  Quando vi os comentários de vocês fiquei curioso.
  O que exatamente não presta ou falta no grub2?
 
  Abraço..
 
  Caso precisem saber o contexto da pergunta, está abaixo:
 
 
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É pessoal, que pena a Canonical apostar no Unity.
  O Gnome3 parece estar bem mais agradável, vejam:
 
  http://gnome3.org/
 
  O Suse e Fedora estão com ele.
 
  Claro que pode-se instalar depois, mas sabe aquele ditado, a primeira
  impressãp é a que fica?
 
 
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Somente uma pequena observação, O 11.04 vem com Gnome 2 mas a 11.10
 virá
  com o Gnome 3. O Unity é apenas o shell do Ubuntu, não substitui o Gnome.
 
  Recomendo a todos que ouçam o Podcast Opencast episódio #2 [1] que tem
 uma
  conversa com André Gondim e um dos pontos que falamos é exatamente desta
  confusão que muita gente tem feito a respeito do Ubuntu abandonar ou não
 o
  Gnome.
 
  [1]
 
 
 http://www.ubuntero.com.br/2011/03/opencast-episodio-2-comunidade-ubuntu-br/
 
  Em 09-04-2011 10:50, Marcelo da Silva escreveu:
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Hum...
  Muito bom saber disso Ivan.
  O detalhe é que como o Unity vem como visual default, muitos nem imaginam
  que podem mudar pro gnome.
  O Kubuntu vem com o Desktop padrão por default, e muitos nem imaginam que
 o
  layout Web pode ser ativado.
  Talvez um icone de acesso rápido a essas opcões talvez fariam deles
 melhor
  e
  mais conhecidos.
  Na tela de propriedades do Desktop poderia ter a opcão de mudar do Gnome
  pro
  Unity e vice versa.
 
  Marcelo Silva
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  escreveu:
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nen tudo eh as mil maravilhas no gnome3, nao da pra configurar tema
 nele
  (
  so sendo expert )
 
  Em 9 de abril de 2011 16:16, Marcelo da Silva marc...@ig.com.br
  escreveu:
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[Ubuntu-BR] Um turbulento abril para o Software Livre em Desktops

2011-04-10 Thread Fa


Oi


Vc leu?

Um turbulento abril para o Software Livre em Desktops

Cárlisson Galdino - 7. abril 2011 - 11:29 - by bardo
http://www.carlissongaldino.com.br/post/um-turbulento-abril-para-o-software-livre-em-desktops


Depois de falar de Gnome 3 e de Unity o Cárlisson faz uma reflexão que
julguei bastante apropriada ( apesar de talvez ter um problema teórico,
quanro ao Gnome 3):

Como ficam os usuários, tendo que se adaptar à força? Eles se verão
obrigados a mudar o conceito para continuarem no Ubuntu de que
aprenderam a gostar, agora no Unity, sem terem um porto seguro para onde 
voltar, caso não se adaptem, já que o GNOME também não será o que eles 
conheceram.


E como ficamos nós, militantes e divulgadores de Software Livre, que a
muito custo conseguimos mostrar a algumas pessoas que valia a pena
migrar para Ubuntu? Com que cara vamos dizer a eles: “Olha, o Ubuntu
agora está com um ambiente diferente! Totalmente diferente, mas está
melhor! Mais parecido com o MacOS!”? (como quem imitar os outros é algo
que engrandece) Ou quando nos falarem empolgados sobre o Ubuntu,
diremos: “Ah, esqueça! O Ubuntu traiu o GNOME e inventou uma parada só
deles. Você tem que conhecer agora é a distro GXYZ, que continua
trazendo o GNOME” (...e o usuário vai lá e vê que esse GNOME é algo
totalmente diferente do Ubuntu que ele conheceu).

Talvez esta seja uma grande oportunidade para os outros desktops
crescerem...


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Re: [ubuntu-cloud] Ensemble target list, call for action

2011-04-10 Thread Chuck Peters
 I would change to Low:
 mailman
 Gallery
 Gallery2


I would like to see gallery3 available with the cloud, it could be very
useful for a project we have in the works.  Unfortunately it doesn't look
like any debs are available yet.

If mailman, and other list management software, worked well with Ubuntu's
Cloud and managed to stay off DNSBL it could be a real competitive advandage
over AWS since it is DNSBL hell.

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[ubuntu-cloud] New UEC user

2011-04-10 Thread Trevor Sharpe
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was given a request to see if I could get the stock AMI images for
Ubuntu 10.04 LTS 64 bit server to deploy with more than 2GB in the root
partition.

I am not really for someone to 'give me the answer' but kindly point me
in the right direction (the opportunity to learn and all). I have
downloaded as much documentation as I can this weekend to read. Which I
am still reading to get a jump on Monday.  I am assuming this is handled
in the preseed? Any help in pointing me in the right direction to learn
more about Eucalyptus and UEC would be appreciated.

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Re: быстрый проигрыватель вместо тотема

2011-04-10 Thread Serge Matveenko
2011/4/2 Роман idi...@rambler.ru:
 при проигрывании файла есть тормоза, но непонятно то ли это Тотем
 настолько шустрый то ли ноут уже не тянет...

 Может есть какой проигрыватель пошустрее ?

totem не быстрый, да, ибо на gstreamer. Я использую gxine.


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[Bug 754522] Re: autofs not starting if no nfs-mount in fstab

2011-04-10 Thread Clint Byrum
*** This bug is a duplicate of bug 752730 ***
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/752730

Thomas, thanks for the bug report. I believe this is a duplicate of bug
#752730. Marking as such.

** This bug has been marked a duplicate of bug 752730
   NFS mounts fail due to upstart condition on 'mounting TYPE=nfs'
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[Bug 752730] Re: NFS mounts fail due to upstart condition on 'mounting TYPE=nfs'

2011-04-10 Thread Clint Byrum
** Changed in: autofs5 (Ubuntu)
   Status: New = Triaged

** Changed in: autofs5 (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided = High

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[Bug 752730] Re: NFS mounts fail due to upstart condition on 'mounting TYPE=nfs'

2011-04-10 Thread Launchpad Bug Tracker
This bug was fixed in the package autofs5 - 5.0.5-0ubuntu6

---
autofs5 (5.0.5-0ubuntu6) natty; urgency=low

  * Remove mounting TYPE=nfs from start conditions, change to
start on filesystem and started networking to still solve
bug 733914 as well. (LP: #752730)
  * Re-add sourcing of /etc/default/autofs to get OPTIONS so
upgrades won't lose their settings.
 -- Clint Byrum cl...@ubuntu.com   Sat, 09 Apr 2011 22:48:03 -0700

** Changed in: autofs5 (Ubuntu)
   Status: Triaged = Fix Released

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Re: [Bug 750786] Re: nmbd job fails to start on boot

2011-04-10 Thread Cypher2
The one I posted is the fixed version, without the and net-device-up
IFACE!=lo

go figure why, but since maverick.. it's been the only way nmbd has been
able to start on boot for me...

when the and net-device-up IFACE!=lo is present, only smbd starts and i am
unable to view the network computers or access their shares as samba
requires both smbd and nmbd to be operationnal to function removing that
upstart dependency has fixed it for me without any further bugs or issues to
report...

I guess it's simply unnecessary in the config?

Samba used to work damn fine for me up until maverick...

On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 6:23 PM, Clint Byrum cl...@fewbar.com wrote:

 Cypher2, thanks for taking the time to file this bug report and help us
 make Ubuntu better.

 The nmbd.conf you pasted here is not the current one from natty.

 The current one has this as its start condition:

 start on (local-filesystems and net-device-up IFACE!=lo)

 This means it will be started when any interface *except* lo is
 configured. Since nmbd is only used for announcing your address to other
 computers, this makes at least some sense in that it will start nmbd
 when a real network interface is available.

 I'm not sure I understand then what it is you want to change. Can you
 please explain what you expect to happen, and what actually happens?

 Thanks!

 Marking Incomplete pending response.

 ** Changed in: samba (Ubuntu)
   Status: New = Incomplete

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 Bug description:
  Binary package hint: samba

  Samba fails to start on boot to enable remote file access on ubuntu
  and windows.

  I was able to fix the nmbd startup issue on natty and maverick!

  It has to do with the init scrip at /etc/init/nmbd.conf

  The start line needs to state start on local-filesystems ONLY!

  The loopback ethernet interfaces start too late to satisfy the
  chronological dependency for nmbd to load as process...

  Thus, /etc/init/nmbd.conf content should be:


  description NetBIOS name server
  author  Steve Langasek steve.langa...@ubuntu.com

  start on (local-filesystems)
  stop on runlevel [!2345]

  expect fork
  respawn

  pre-start script
mkdir -p /var/run/samba

  [ -f /etc/samba/smb.conf ] || { stop; exit 0; }

install -o root -g root -m 755 -d /var/run/samba
NMBD_DISABLED=`testparm -s --parameter-name='disable netbios'
 2/dev/null`

  [ x$NMBD_DISABLED = xYes ]  { stop; exit 0; }

exit 0
  end script

  exec nmbd -D

  ProblemType: Bug
  DistroRelease: Ubuntu 11.04
  Package: samba 2:3.5.8~dfsg-1ubuntu1
  ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 2.6.38-7.39-generic 2.6.38
  Uname: Linux 2.6.38-7-generic x86_64
  Architecture: amd64
  Date: Mon Apr  4 17:46:02 2011
  InstallationMedia: Ubuntu 11.04 Natty Narwhal - Alpha amd64 (20110302)
  ProcEnviron:
   LANGUAGE=en_CA:en
   LANG=en_CA.UTF-8
   SHELL=/bin/bash
  RelatedPackageVersions:
   nautilus 1:2.32.2.1-0ubuntu11.1
   gvfs 1.7.3-0ubuntu2
  SambaClientRegression: Yes
  SourcePackage: samba
  UpgradeStatus: No upgrade log present (probably fresh install)

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[Bug 756406] [NEW] there is no easy way to edit/include servers for NTP to sync from like it used to

2011-04-10 Thread PresuntoRJ
Public bug reported:

Binary package hint: ntp

Up to Maverick, when I needed to adjust my NTP daemon where I wanted it
to sync from, I could go to the Preferences/Date and time application
and add or remove addresses from there (it would then reflect on my
/etc/ntp.conf from then on) but now, there is no GUI for that... it
simply lets me turn it on or off... the list, preset with pretty sane
ntp providers, seemes OK, but one could want to sync to its local
server, and had to go back to console and vim the conf file (not a issue
for me, but... I believe it was a step back on Natty)

ProblemType: Bug
DistroRelease: Ubuntu 11.04
Package: ntp 1:4.2.6.p2+dfsg-1ubuntu5
ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 2.6.38-8.41-generic-pae 2.6.38.2
Uname: Linux 2.6.38-8-generic-pae i686
Architecture: i386
Date: Sun Apr 10 06:23:57 2011
EcryptfsInUse: Yes
InstallationMedia: Ubuntu 10.10 Maverick Meerkat - Release i386 (20101007)
KernLog:
 
ProcEnviron:
 LANGUAGE=pt_BR:en
 LANG=en_US.UTF-8
 LC_MESSAGES=pt_BR.UTF-8
 SHELL=/bin/bash
ProcVersionSignature_: Ubuntu 2.6.38-8.41-generic-pae 2.6.38.2
SourcePackage: ntp
UpgradeStatus: Upgraded to natty on 2011-04-10 (0 days ago)
mtime.conffile..etc.ntp.conf: 2011-04-10T01:02:40.958183

** Affects: ntp (Ubuntu)
 Importance: Undecided
 Status: New


** Tags: apport-bug i386 natty

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[Bug 756406] Re: there is no easy way to edit/include servers for NTP to sync from like it used to

2011-04-10 Thread PresuntoRJ
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[Bug 733914] Re: autofs races network interfaces, ends up not working

2011-04-10 Thread Jungle Boy
I am seeing the same problem with all updates ... have to start autofs
manually

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[Bug 756406] Re: there is no easy way to edit/include servers for NTP to sync from like it used to

2011-04-10 Thread PresuntoRJ
I am considering this a regression, am I right?

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[Bug 740815]

2011-04-10 Thread Ionut Biru
@Wesley the symlinks are created in the wrong way.

lrwxrwxrwx root/root 0 2011-04-09 10:55 usr/lib/libmozjs185.so.1.0 - 
/build/pkg//usr/lib/libmozjs185.so.1.0.0
lrwxrwxrwx root/root 0 2011-04-09 10:55 usr/lib/libmozjs185.so - 
/build/pkg//usr/lib/libmozjs185.so.1.0
-rwxr-xr-x root/root   5694336 2011-04-09 10:55 usr/lib/libmozjs185-1.0.a
-rwxr-xr-x root/root   342 2011-04-09 10:55 usr/lib/libmozjs185.so.1.0.0


this happens mostly for those who wants to package it and DESTDIR is used and 
the resulted package doesn't have that target.

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[Bug 740815]

2011-04-10 Thread Wes Garland
Ionut;

I think you did
# ./configure --prefix=/build/pkg/usr/
# make  make install

and then wanted to move/copy the links that were made, but they were
absolute rather than relative links, so this did not work?

If I understand correctly, I can fix this in the next release, or
perhaps a point release.

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[Bug 740815]

2011-04-10 Thread Ionut Biru
Wesley:

i did ./configure --prefix=/usr  make  make DESTDIR=/build/pkg
install

in Makefile.in you have on line:

891 ln -s $(SHLIB_EXACT_VER) $(SHLIB_ABI_VER)
892 ln -s $(SHLIB_ABI_VER) $(SHLIB_ANY_VER)


where:

870 # Generic Unix / Linux
871 SHLIB_ANY_VER   := $(DESTDIR)$(libdir)/$(SHARED_LIBRARY)
872 SHLIB_ABI_VER   := 
$(DESTDIR)$(libdir)/$(SHARED_LIBRARY).$(SRCREL_ABI_VERSION)
873 SHLIB_EXACT_VER := $(DESTDIR)$(libdir)/$(SHARED_LIBRARY).$(SRCREL_VERSION)

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[Bug 740815]

2011-04-10 Thread Wes Garland
Interesting, that is not a configuration I've tested but I will add it
to my (very short) list for the next release.

In the meantime, I think you can change 891 and 892 of Makefile.in like
this to achieve the desired outcome:

891 ln -s $(notdir $(SHLIB_EXACT_VER)) $(SHLIB_ABI_VER)
892 ln -s $(notdir $(SHLIB_ABI_VER)) $(SHLIB_ANY_VER)

This would give relative links instead of absolute links, which is the
correct behaviour, right?

Wes

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Re: [Bug 750786] Re: nmbd job fails to start on boot

2011-04-10 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Cypher2's message of Sun Apr 10 06:48:36 UTC 2011:
 The one I posted is the fixed version, without the and net-device-up
 IFACE!=lo
 
 go figure why, but since maverick.. it's been the only way nmbd has been
 able to start on boot for me...
 
 when the and net-device-up IFACE!=lo is present, only smbd starts and i am
 unable to view the network computers or access their shares as samba
 requires both smbd and nmbd to be operationnal to function removing that
 upstart dependency has fixed it for me without any further bugs or issues to
 report...
 
 I guess it's simply unnecessary in the config?
 
 Samba used to work damn fine for me up until maverick...

Thats interesting. Samba was converted to upstart in lucid and had the same
start condition then.

I wonder if you wouldn't mind booting with the kernel option '--verbose' and
posting the contents of /var/log/boot.log with your start condition, and with
the original one?

One thing that I have seen with smbd is that it starts but respawns rapidly
until the loopback interface comes up. The test I describe above will determine
if nmbd is doing that as well.

 
 On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 6:23 PM, Clint Byrum cl...@fewbar.com wrote:
 
  Cypher2, thanks for taking the time to file this bug report and help us
  make Ubuntu better.
 
  The nmbd.conf you pasted here is not the current one from natty.
 
  The current one has this as its start condition:
 
  start on (local-filesystems and net-device-up IFACE!=lo)
 
  This means it will be started when any interface *except* lo is
  configured. Since nmbd is only used for announcing your address to other
  computers, this makes at least some sense in that it will start nmbd
  when a real network interface is available.
 
  I'm not sure I understand then what it is you want to change. Can you
  please explain what you expect to happen, and what actually happens?
 
  Thanks!
 
  Marking Incomplete pending response.
 
  ** Changed in: samba (Ubuntu)
Status: New = Incomplete
 
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  Title:
   nmbd job fails to start on boot
 
  Status in “samba” package in Ubuntu:
   Incomplete
 
  Bug description:
   Binary package hint: samba
 
   Samba fails to start on boot to enable remote file access on ubuntu
   and windows.
 
   I was able to fix the nmbd startup issue on natty and maverick!
 
   It has to do with the init scrip at /etc/init/nmbd.conf
 
   The start line needs to state start on local-filesystems ONLY!
 
   The loopback ethernet interfaces start too late to satisfy the
   chronological dependency for nmbd to load as process...
 
   Thus, /etc/init/nmbd.conf content should be:
 
 
   description NetBIOS name server
   author  Steve Langasek steve.langa...@ubuntu.com
 
   start on (local-filesystems)
   stop on runlevel [!2345]
 
   expect fork
   respawn
 
   pre-start script
 mkdir -p /var/run/samba
 
   [ -f /etc/samba/smb.conf ] || { stop; exit 0; }
 
 install -o root -g root -m 755 -d /var/run/samba
 NMBD_DISABLED=`testparm -s --parameter-name='disable netbios'
  2/dev/null`
 
   [ x$NMBD_DISABLED = xYes ]  { stop; exit 0; }
 
 exit 0
   end script
 
   exec nmbd -D
 
   ProblemType: Bug
   DistroRelease: Ubuntu 11.04
   Package: samba 2:3.5.8~dfsg-1ubuntu1
   ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 2.6.38-7.39-generic 2.6.38
   Uname: Linux 2.6.38-7-generic x86_64
   Architecture: amd64
   Date: Mon Apr  4 17:46:02 2011
   InstallationMedia: Ubuntu 11.04 Natty Narwhal - Alpha amd64 (20110302)
   ProcEnviron:
LANGUAGE=en_CA:en
LANG=en_CA.UTF-8
SHELL=/bin/bash
   RelatedPackageVersions:
nautilus 1:2.32.2.1-0ubuntu11.1
gvfs 1.7.3-0ubuntu2
   SambaClientRegression: Yes
   SourcePackage: samba
   UpgradeStatus: No upgrade log present (probably fresh install)
 
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 Title:
   nmbd job fails to start on boot
 
 Status in “samba” package in Ubuntu:
   Incomplete
 
 Bug description:
   Binary package hint: samba
 
   Samba fails to start on boot to enable remote file access on ubuntu
   and windows.
 
   I was able to fix the nmbd startup issue on natty and maverick!
 
   It has to do with the init scrip at /etc/init/nmbd.conf
 
   The start line needs to state start on local-filesystems ONLY!
 
   The loopback ethernet interfaces start too late to satisfy the
   chronological dependency for nmbd to load as process...
 
   Thus, /etc/init/nmbd.conf content should be:
 
   
   description NetBIOS name server
   author  Steve Langasek steve.langa...@ubuntu.com
 
   start on 

Re: [Bug 750786] Re: nmbd job fails to start on boot

2011-04-10 Thread Cypher2
alright.. i'll revert back to the original config and verbose it...

On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 11:10 AM, Clint Byrum cl...@fewbar.com wrote:

 Excerpts from Cypher2's message of Sun Apr 10 06:48:36 UTC 2011:
  The one I posted is the fixed version, without the and net-device-up
  IFACE!=lo
 
  go figure why, but since maverick.. it's been the only way nmbd has been
  able to start on boot for me...
 
  when the and net-device-up IFACE!=lo is present, only smbd starts and i
 am
  unable to view the network computers or access their shares as samba
  requires both smbd and nmbd to be operationnal to function removing
 that
  upstart dependency has fixed it for me without any further bugs or issues
 to
  report...
 
  I guess it's simply unnecessary in the config?
 
  Samba used to work damn fine for me up until maverick...

 Thats interesting. Samba was converted to upstart in lucid and had the same
 start condition then.

 I wonder if you wouldn't mind booting with the kernel option '--verbose'
 and
 posting the contents of /var/log/boot.log with your start condition, and
 with
 the original one?

 One thing that I have seen with smbd is that it starts but respawns
 rapidly
 until the loopback interface comes up. The test I describe above will
 determine
 if nmbd is doing that as well.

 
  On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 6:23 PM, Clint Byrum cl...@fewbar.com wrote:
 
   Cypher2, thanks for taking the time to file this bug report and help us
   make Ubuntu better.
  
   The nmbd.conf you pasted here is not the current one from natty.
  
   The current one has this as its start condition:
  
   start on (local-filesystems and net-device-up IFACE!=lo)
  
   This means it will be started when any interface *except* lo is
   configured. Since nmbd is only used for announcing your address to
 other
   computers, this makes at least some sense in that it will start nmbd
   when a real network interface is available.
  
   I'm not sure I understand then what it is you want to change. Can you
   please explain what you expect to happen, and what actually happens?
  
   Thanks!
  
   Marking Incomplete pending response.
  
   ** Changed in: samba (Ubuntu)
 Status: New = Incomplete
  
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   Title:
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   Status in “samba” package in Ubuntu:
Incomplete
  
   Bug description:
Binary package hint: samba
  
Samba fails to start on boot to enable remote file access on ubuntu
and windows.
  
I was able to fix the nmbd startup issue on natty and maverick!
  
It has to do with the init scrip at /etc/init/nmbd.conf
  
The start line needs to state start on local-filesystems ONLY!
  
The loopback ethernet interfaces start too late to satisfy the
chronological dependency for nmbd to load as process...
  
Thus, /etc/init/nmbd.conf content should be:
  
  
description NetBIOS name server
author  Steve Langasek steve.langa...@ubuntu.com
  
start on (local-filesystems)
stop on runlevel [!2345]
  
expect fork
respawn
  
pre-start script
  mkdir -p /var/run/samba
  
[ -f /etc/samba/smb.conf ] || { stop; exit 0; }
  
  install -o root -g root -m 755 -d /var/run/samba
  NMBD_DISABLED=`testparm -s --parameter-name='disable netbios'
   2/dev/null`
  
[ x$NMBD_DISABLED = xYes ]  { stop; exit 0; }
  
  exit 0
end script
  
exec nmbd -D
  
ProblemType: Bug
DistroRelease: Ubuntu 11.04
Package: samba 2:3.5.8~dfsg-1ubuntu1
ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 2.6.38-7.39-generic 2.6.38
Uname: Linux 2.6.38-7-generic x86_64
Architecture: amd64
Date: Mon Apr  4 17:46:02 2011
InstallationMedia: Ubuntu 11.04 Natty Narwhal - Alpha amd64
 (20110302)
ProcEnviron:
 LANGUAGE=en_CA:en
 LANG=en_CA.UTF-8
 SHELL=/bin/bash
RelatedPackageVersions:
 nautilus 1:2.32.2.1-0ubuntu11.1
 gvfs 1.7.3-0ubuntu2
SambaClientRegression: Yes
SourcePackage: samba
UpgradeStatus: No upgrade log present (probably fresh install)
  
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  Title:
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  Status in “samba” package in Ubuntu:
Incomplete
 
  Bug description:
Binary package hint: samba
 
Samba fails to start on boot to enable remote file access on ubuntu
and windows.
 
I was able to fix the nmbd startup issue on natty and maverick!
 
It has to do with the init scrip at /etc/init/nmbd.conf
 
The start line needs to state start on local-filesystems ONLY!
 
   

Re: [Bug 750786] Re: nmbd job fails to start on boot

2011-04-10 Thread Cypher2
Here is boot.log with default:
-
Begin: Loading essential drivers ... done.
Begin: Running /scripts/init-premount ... done.
Begin: Mounting root file system ... Begin: Running /scripts/local-top ...
done.
Begin: Running /scripts/local-premount ... done.
Begin: Running /scripts/local-bottom ... done.
done.
Begin: Running /scripts/init-bottom ... done.
fsck from util-linux-ng 2.17.2
udevd[424]: SYSFS{}= will be removed in a future udev version, please use
ATTR{}= to match the event device, or ATTRS{}= to match a parent device, in
/etc/udev/rules.d/51-android.rules:1


/dev/sda1: clean, 178236/15269888 files, 3541805/61049344 blocks
init: ureadahead-other main process (761) terminated with status 4

init: Failed to spawn network-manager main process: unable to execute: No
such file or directory

 * Starting AppArmor profiles   
[ OK ]
 * Starting Kernel Oops catching service kerneloops     * Stopping
System V initialisation compatibility[ OK ]
 * Starting System V runlevel compatibility[ OK ]
 * Starting CPU interrupts balancing daemon[ OK ]
 * Starting ACPI daemon[ OK ]
 * Starting save kernel messages[ OK ]
 * Starting automatic crash report generation[ OK ]
 * Starting anac(h)ronistic cron[ OK ]
 * Starting regular background program processing daemon[ OK ]
 * Starting deferred execution scheduler[ OK ]

[ OK ]
speech-dispatcher disabled; edit /etc/default/speech-dispatcher
 * Starting the Winbind daemon winbind   
---

On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 12:00 PM, Nathanel Titane nathanel.tit...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 alright.. i'll revert back to the original config and verbose it...


 On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 11:10 AM, Clint Byrum cl...@fewbar.com wrote:

 Excerpts from Cypher2's message of Sun Apr 10 06:48:36 UTC 2011:
  The one I posted is the fixed version, without the and net-device-up
  IFACE!=lo
 
  go figure why, but since maverick.. it's been the only way nmbd has been
  able to start on boot for me...
 
  when the and net-device-up IFACE!=lo is present, only smbd starts and
 i am
  unable to view the network computers or access their shares as samba
  requires both smbd and nmbd to be operationnal to function removing
 that
  upstart dependency has fixed it for me without any further bugs or
 issues to
  report...
 
  I guess it's simply unnecessary in the config?
 
  Samba used to work damn fine for me up until maverick...

 Thats interesting. Samba was converted to upstart in lucid and had the
 same
 start condition then.

 I wonder if you wouldn't mind booting with the kernel option '--verbose'
 and
 posting the contents of /var/log/boot.log with your start condition, and
 with
 the original one?

 One thing that I have seen with smbd is that it starts but respawns
 rapidly
 until the loopback interface comes up. The test I describe above will
 determine
 if nmbd is doing that as well.

 
  On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 6:23 PM, Clint Byrum cl...@fewbar.com wrote:
 
   Cypher2, thanks for taking the time to file this bug report and help
 us
   make Ubuntu better.
  
   The nmbd.conf you pasted here is not the current one from natty.
  
   The current one has this as its start condition:
  
   start on (local-filesystems and net-device-up IFACE!=lo)
  
   This means it will be started when any interface *except* lo is
   configured. Since nmbd is only used for announcing your address to
 other
   computers, this makes at least some sense in that it will start nmbd
   when a real network interface is available.
  
   I'm not sure I understand then what it is you want to change. Can you
   please explain what you expect to happen, and what actually happens?
  
   Thanks!
  
   Marking Incomplete pending response.
  
   ** Changed in: samba (Ubuntu)
 Status: New = Incomplete
  
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   Title:
nmbd job fails to start on boot
  
   Status in “samba” package in Ubuntu:
Incomplete
  
   Bug description:
Binary package hint: samba
  
Samba fails to start on boot to enable remote file access on ubuntu
and windows.
  
I was able to fix the nmbd startup issue on natty and maverick!
  
It has to do with the init scrip at /etc/init/nmbd.conf
  
The start line needs to state start on local-filesystems ONLY!
  
The loopback ethernet interfaces start too late to satisfy the
chronological dependency for nmbd to load as process...
  
Thus, /etc/init/nmbd.conf content should be:
  
  
description NetBIOS name server
author  Steve Langasek steve.langa...@ubuntu.com
  
start on (local-filesystems)
stop on runlevel [!2345]
  
expect fork
respawn
  
pre-start script
  mkdir -p 

Re: [Bug 750786] Re: nmbd job fails to start on boot

2011-04-10 Thread Cypher2
Actually, I'M sorry... please disregard the previous log... it had a typo
and didn't even load up...

Here's the good default one:


Begin: Loading essential drivers ... done.
Begin: Running /scripts/init-premount ... done.
Begin: Mounting root file system ... Begin: Running /scripts/local-top ...
done.
Begin: Running /scripts/local-premount ... done.
Begin: Running /scripts/local-bottom ... done.
done.
Begin: Running /scripts/init-bottom ... done.
udevd[432]: SYSFS{}= will be removed in a future udev version, please use
ATTR{}= to match the event device, or ATTRS{}= to match a parent device, in
/etc/udev/rules.d/51-android.rules:1


fsck from util-linux-ng 2.17.2
/dev/sda1: clean, 178242/15269888 files, 3541919/61049344 blocks
init: ureadahead-other main process (756) terminated with status 4

init: Failed to spawn network-manager main process: unable to execute: No
such file or directory

 * Starting AppArmor profiles   
[ OK ]
 * Stopping Flush boot log to disk[ OK ]
---

Pay attention tho the init: Failed to spawn network-manager main process:
unable to execute: No such file or directory around the end

On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 12:10 PM, Nathanel Titane nathanel.tit...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Here is boot.log with default:
 -
 Begin: Loading essential drivers ... done.
 Begin: Running /scripts/init-premount ... done.
 Begin: Mounting root file system ... Begin: Running /scripts/local-top ..

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