Re: [ubuntu-in] OT: gmail sms recovery (was leina yar)

[chaitanya ambaselkar]

On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 12:11 AM, Manish Sinha  wrote:

>  On 4/26/2010 8:57 PM, chaitanya ambaselkar wrote:
>
>
>
> 2010/4/25 Mallikarjun 
>
>> Sorry for top post, since this query not related to any specific comment.
>>
>> I would like to ask a question to original sender.
>>
>> Why do you think your account was hacked? No compulsion in answering the
>> question
>> Was it a common problem "Week  password" or "Recovery mechanism"???
>>
>  @Mallikarjun,
>
>
> Why do I think account was hacked? Now I understand forum rules, not
> specific to email forums like this but web forums. And I am not one of those
> who would spam serious discussion communities. And being a system
> administrator since more than 3 years and after spending time working in one
> of the biggest IT MNC in the world, I understand password complexities and
> policies. I implement those in the networks I handle. So I guess I know it
> was cracked. And it was not only me who suffered the attack. There were some
> more people. Hence.
>
>
> Chill dude. Mallikarjun just wanted to know. Even i was curious as it could
> uncover some more methods in which accounts can be compromised.
>
> Mallikarjun even said "No compulsion in answering the question"
> Cheers!
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> No offenses meant guys. Question was asked and there was the answer.
Explaining most part of why I thought password was cracked. Nothing else.
Explaining myself is not a crime, is it?
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Re: [ubuntu-in] OT: gmail sms recovery (was leina yar)

[Manish Sinha]

On 4/26/2010 8:57 PM, chaitanya ambaselkar wrote:



2010/4/25 Mallikarjun >


Sorry for top post, since this query not related to any specific
comment.

I would like to ask a question to original sender.

Why do you think your account was hacked? No compulsion in
answering the question
Was it a common problem "Week  password" or "Recovery mechanism"???

@Mallikarjun,

Why do I think account was hacked? Now I understand forum rules, not 
specific to email forums like this but web forums. And I am not one of 
those who would spam serious discussion communities. And being a 
system administrator since more than 3 years and after spending time 
working in one of the biggest IT MNC in the world, I understand 
password complexities and policies. I implement those in the networks 
I handle. So I guess I know it was cracked. And it was not only me who 
suffered the attack. There were some more people. Hence.


Chill dude. Mallikarjun just wanted to know. Even i was curious as it 
could uncover some more methods in which accounts can be compromised.


Mallikarjun even said "No compulsion in answering the question"
Cheers!

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Re: [ubuntu-in] OT: gmail sms recovery (was leina yar)

[ಮಲ್ಲಿಕಾರ್ಜುನ್]

> Sorry for top post, since this query not related to any specific comment.
>>
>> I would like to ask a question to original sender.
>>
>> Why do you think your account was hacked? No compulsion in answering the
>> question
>> Was it a common problem "Week  password" or "Recovery mechanism"???
>>
>> 2010/4/25 Mallikarjun 
>>
>>> On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 11:43 AM, chaitanya ambaselkar <
>>> chai.tany...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 @Ram,

 I know IP can be spoofed and the cracker may have done that but it seems
 it is a dynamically assigned IP which is owned by Telekom Malaysia Berhad.
 And a mobile device was used. And it was around 4:30 pm IST on 23rd April
 that account was cracked and within minutes I had changed the password as
 well since then I have not seen any spams being sent again.
 I wanted to contact the ISP on their abuse address but have no idea if
 this has any legality with it. Have avoided but will take some advises from
 some others who have knowledge about cyber laws as well.

 As Manish Sinha said, ISP will keep track of the IP address allocations
>>> despite being dynamic IP. I don't think there is any harm in contacting ISP,
>>> but try to keep your calm through out your conversation with them, as we all
>>> know they are innocent...
>>>
>>> Sure some cyber law expert can help in this regard, but Cyber laws vary
>>> by the country.
>>>
>>>
  

 @Mallikarjun,
>
> Why do I think account was hacked? Now I understand forum rules, not
> specific to email forums like this but web forums. And I am not one of those
> who would spam serious discussion communities. And being a system
> administrator since more than 3 years and after spending time working in one
> of the biggest IT MNC in the world, I understand password complexities and
> policies. I implement those in the networks I handle. So I guess I know it
> was cracked. And it was not only me who suffered the attack. There were some
> more people. Hence.
>
>
I never meant to offend you in anyway or under-estimate your capabilities.
I just asked out of Educational curiosity, just chill.



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Re: [ubuntu-in] OT: gmail sms recovery (was leina yar)

[chaitanya ambaselkar]

2010/4/25 Mallikarjun 

> Sorry for top post, since this query not related to any specific comment.
>
> I would like to ask a question to original sender.
>
> Why do you think your account was hacked? No compulsion in answering the
> question
> Was it a common problem "Week  password" or "Recovery mechanism"???
>
> 2010/4/25 Mallikarjun 
>
>> On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 11:43 AM, chaitanya ambaselkar <
>> chai.tany...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> @Ram,
>>>
>>> I know IP can be spoofed and the cracker may have done that but it seems
>>> it is a dynamically assigned IP which is owned by Telekom Malaysia Berhad.
>>> And a mobile device was used. And it was around 4:30 pm IST on 23rd April
>>> that account was cracked and within minutes I had changed the password as
>>> well since then I have not seen any spams being sent again.
>>> I wanted to contact the ISP on their abuse address but have no idea if
>>> this has any legality with it. Have avoided but will take some advises from
>>> some others who have knowledge about cyber laws as well.
>>>
>>> As Manish Sinha said, ISP will keep track of the IP address allocations
>> despite being dynamic IP. I don't think there is any harm in contacting ISP,
>> but try to keep your calm through out your conversation with them, as we all
>> know they are innocent...
>>
>> Sure some cyber law expert can help in this regard, but Cyber laws vary by
>> the country.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
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@Mallikarjun,

Why do I think account was hacked? Now I understand forum rules, not
specific to email forums like this but web forums. And I am not one of those
who would spam serious discussion communities. And being a system
administrator since more than 3 years and after spending time working in one
of the biggest IT MNC in the world, I understand password complexities and
policies. I implement those in the networks I handle. So I guess I know it
was cracked. And it was not only me who suffered the attack. There were some
more people. Hence.
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Re: [ubuntu-in] OT: gmail sms recovery (was leina yar)

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Sorry for top post, since this query not related to any specific comment.

I would like to ask a question to original sender.

Why do you think your account was hacked? No compulsion in answering the
question
Was it a common problem "Week  password" or "Recovery mechanism"???

2010/4/25 Mallikarjun 

> On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 11:43 AM, chaitanya ambaselkar <
> chai.tany...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> @Ram,
>>
>> I know IP can be spoofed and the cracker may have done that but it seems
>> it is a dynamically assigned IP which is owned by Telekom Malaysia Berhad.
>> And a mobile device was used. And it was around 4:30 pm IST on 23rd April
>> that account was cracked and within minutes I had changed the password as
>> well since then I have not seen any spams being sent again.
>> I wanted to contact the ISP on their abuse address but have no idea if
>> this has any legality with it. Have avoided but will take some advises from
>> some others who have knowledge about cyber laws as well.
>>
>> As Manish Sinha said, ISP will keep track of the IP address allocations
> despite being dynamic IP. I don't think there is any harm in contacting ISP,
> but try to keep your calm through out your conversation with them, as we all
> know they are innocent...
>
> Sure some cyber law expert can help in this regard, but Cyber laws vary by
> the country.
>
>
>>
>>
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Re: [ubuntu-in] OT: gmail sms recovery (was leina yar)

[ಮಲ್ಲಿಕಾರ್ಜುನ್]

 On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 11:43 AM, chaitanya ambaselkar <
chai.tany...@gmail.com> wrote:

> @Ram,
>
> I know IP can be spoofed and the cracker may have done that but it seems it
> is a dynamically assigned IP which is owned by Telekom Malaysia Berhad. And
> a mobile device was used. And it was around 4:30 pm IST on 23rd April that
> account was cracked and within minutes I had changed the password as well
> since then I have not seen any spams being sent again.
> I wanted to contact the ISP on their abuse address but have no idea if this
> has any legality with it. Have avoided but will take some advises from some
> others who have knowledge about cyber laws as well.
>
> As Manish Sinha said, ISP will keep track of the IP address allocations
despite being dynamic IP. I don't think there is any harm in contacting ISP,
but try to keep your calm through out your conversation with them, as we all
know they are innocent...

Sure some cyber law expert can help in this regard, but Cyber laws vary by
the country.


>
>
> Mallikarjun(ಮಲ್ಲಿಕಾರ್ಜುನ್) wrote:
>
>>  > > > Even I get scared quiet often, the only option left is to buy a
>>> domain
>>> > > just
>>> > > > for E-mail purpose...
>>> > >
>>> > > Pardon my ignorance, but how is buying a domain safe for emailing. I
>>> > > believe, you will still need someone to host the email!
>>> > > I would really like to explore this alternative.
>>> > >
>>> >
>>> > You can buy a domain name say www.example.com (host on your computer
>>> or buy
>>> > a shared space)
>>> >
>>> > Since it is your domain so you can setup an email account, example *
>>> > ar...@example.com* and it will be yours for your life unless you stop
>>> paying
>>> > for the domain...
>>>
>>> But this does not answer my query. I can buy a domain and setup an email
>>> account (which is what I am using right now, while writing this mail)
>>> but if someone can hack (crack, that is ;-) )tail account? What if I
>>>
>>> use google apps to host my email with personal domain?
>>>
>>
>> That solution was for "What If Google shut down all its services
>> overnight"
>>
>> There is reliable method to stop crackers to crack into your account which
>> I can think of...
>>
>>>
>>> May be the only extra safety is that (as you pointed out) I will not be
>>> locked out like some gmail users were i.e. denial of service.
>>>
>>> I guess there is more to it than just buying a domain and setting up an
>>> email with that (though I want to be wrong about this).
>>>
>>> By the way, I would love to know more about hosting email on my own
>>> computer -- if that does not involve alpha-geek stuff and needs my
>>> computer to be switched on and connected 24x7. I'll definitely also
>>> google it up.
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Nitesh
>>>
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Re: [ubuntu-in] OT: gmail sms recovery (was leina yar)

[ಮಲ್ಲಿಕಾರ್ಜುನ್]

On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 1:49 PM, Nitesh Mistry wrote:

> On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 06:05:35AM +0530, Mallikarjun(ಮಲ್ಲಿಕಾರ್ಜುನ್) wrote:
> > On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 12:10 AM, Nitesh Mistry <
> mail...@mistrynitesh.net>wrote:
> >
> > > On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 09:50:14PM +0530, Mallikarjun(ಮಲ್ಲಿಕಾರ್ಜುನ್)
> wrote:
> > > > On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 8:03 PM, Nitesh Mistry <
> mail...@mistrynitesh.net
> > > >wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 12:24:36PM +0530,
> Mallikarjun(ಮಲ್ಲಿಕಾರ್ಜುನ್)
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > Even I get scared quiet often, the only option left is to buy a
> > > domain
> > > > > just
> > > > > > for E-mail purpose...
> > > > >
> > > > > Pardon my ignorance, but how is buying a domain safe for emailing.
> I
> > > > > believe, you will still need someone to host the email!
> > > > > I would really like to explore this alternative.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > You can buy a domain name say www.example.com (host on your computer
> or
> > > buy
> > > > a shared space)
> > > >
> > > > Since it is your domain so you can setup an email account, example *
> > > > ar...@example.com* and it will be yours for your life unless you
> stop
> > > paying
> > > > for the domain...
> > >
> > > But this does not answer my query. I can buy a domain and setup an
> email
> > > account (which is what I am using right now, while writing this mail)
> > > but if someone can hack (crack, that is ;-) )tail account? What if I
> > > use google apps to host my email with personal domain?
> > >
> >
> > That solution was for "What If Google shut down all its services
> overnight"
>
> So there is a trade off between either integrating all the services
> (risky but convenient) vs. using email as a stand-alone service
> (relatively safe but inconvenient and costly)
>
>
>
> > There is reliable method to stop crackers to crack into your account
> which I
> > can think of...
>
> Did you mean -- There is [no] reliable method to stop crackers to crack
> into your account which I can think of... -- ?
>
>
Yeah I meant there is no reliable method.
I am really sorry...

Good catch man


>
> >
> > >
> > > May be the only extra safety is that (as you pointed out) I will not be
> > > locked out like some gmail users were i.e. denial of service.
> > >
> > > I guess there is more to it than just buying a domain and setting up an
> > > email with that (though I want to be wrong about this).
> > >
> > > By the way, I would love to know more about hosting email on my own
> > > computer -- if that does not involve alpha-geek stuff and needs my
> > > computer to be switched on and connected 24x7. I'll definitely also
> > > google it up.
>
>
>
> Regards,
> Nitesh
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Re: [ubuntu-in] OT: gmail sms recovery (was leina yar)

[Manish Sinha]

On 4/25/2010 11:43 AM, chaitanya ambaselkar wrote:
> @Ram,
>
> I know IP can be spoofed and the cracker may have done that but it 
> seems it is a dynamically assigned IP which is owned by Telekom 
> Malaysia Berhad. And a mobile device was used. And it was around 4:30 
> pm IST on 23rd April that account was cracked and within minutes I had 
> changed the password as well since then I have not seen any spams 
> being sent again.
> I wanted to contact the ISP on their abuse address but have no idea if 
> this has any legality with it. Have avoided but will take some advises 
> from some others who have knowledge about cyber laws as well.

Even though the IP address is dynamic, the ISP always keeps a track of 
which IP address is assigned to which customer. If you submit an abuse 
complaint, then probably they *may* help.
Don't expect much out of it since IP address ca be spoofed and an 
innocent person can be caught.


Chaitanya, also please avoid top-posting. Mallikarjun has already 
requested this before
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-in/2010-April/007754.html

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Re: [ubuntu-in] OT: gmail sms recovery (was leina yar)

[Nitesh Mistry]

On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 06:05:35AM +0530, Mallikarjun(ಮಲ್ಲಿಕಾರ್ಜುನ್) wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 12:10 AM, Nitesh Mistry 
> wrote:
> 
> > On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 09:50:14PM +0530, Mallikarjun(ಮಲ್ಲಿಕಾರ್ಜುನ್) wrote:
> > > On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 8:03 PM, Nitesh Mistry  > >wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 12:24:36PM +0530, Mallikarjun(ಮಲ್ಲಿಕಾರ್ಜುನ್)
> > wrote:
> > > > > Even I get scared quiet often, the only option left is to buy a
> > domain
> > > > just
> > > > > for E-mail purpose...
> > > >
> > > > Pardon my ignorance, but how is buying a domain safe for emailing. I
> > > > believe, you will still need someone to host the email!
> > > > I would really like to explore this alternative.
> > > >
> > >
> > > You can buy a domain name say www.example.com (host on your computer or
> > buy
> > > a shared space)
> > >
> > > Since it is your domain so you can setup an email account, example *
> > > ar...@example.com* and it will be yours for your life unless you stop
> > paying
> > > for the domain...
> >
> > But this does not answer my query. I can buy a domain and setup an email
> > account (which is what I am using right now, while writing this mail)
> > but if someone can hack (crack, that is ;-) )tail account? What if I
> > use google apps to host my email with personal domain?
> >
> 
> That solution was for "What If Google shut down all its services overnight"

So there is a trade off between either integrating all the services
(risky but convenient) vs. using email as a stand-alone service
(relatively safe but inconvenient and costly)


 
> There is reliable method to stop crackers to crack into your account which I
> can think of...

Did you mean -- There is [no] reliable method to stop crackers to crack
into your account which I can think of... -- ?


> 
> >
> > May be the only extra safety is that (as you pointed out) I will not be
> > locked out like some gmail users were i.e. denial of service.
> >
> > I guess there is more to it than just buying a domain and setting up an
> > email with that (though I want to be wrong about this).
> >
> > By the way, I would love to know more about hosting email on my own
> > computer -- if that does not involve alpha-geek stuff and needs my
> > computer to be switched on and connected 24x7. I'll definitely also
> > google it up.



Regards,
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Re: [ubuntu-in] OT: gmail sms recovery (was leina yar)

[chaitanya ambaselkar]

@Ram,

I know IP can be spoofed and the cracker may have done that but it seems it
is a dynamically assigned IP which is owned by Telekom Malaysia Berhad. And
a mobile device was used. And it was around 4:30 pm IST on 23rd April that
account was cracked and within minutes I had changed the password as well
since then I have not seen any spams being sent again.
I wanted to contact the ISP on their abuse address but have no idea if this
has any legality with it. Have avoided but will take some advises from some
others who have knowledge about cyber laws as well.



Mallikarjun(ಮಲ್ಲಿಕಾರ್ಜುನ್) wrote:

> > > > Even I get scared quiet often, the only option left is to buy a
>> domain
>> > > just
>> > > > for E-mail purpose...
>> > >
>> > > Pardon my ignorance, but how is buying a domain safe for emailing. I
>> > > believe, you will still need someone to host the email!
>> > > I would really like to explore this alternative.
>> > >
>> >
>> > You can buy a domain name say www.example.com (host on your computer or
>> buy
>> > a shared space)
>> >
>> > Since it is your domain so you can setup an email account, example *
>> > ar...@example.com* and it will be yours for your life unless you stop
>> paying
>> > for the domain...
>>
>> But this does not answer my query. I can buy a domain and setup an email
>> account (which is what I am using right now, while writing this mail)
>> but if someone can hack (crack, that is ;-) )tail account? What if I
>>
>> use google apps to host my email with personal domain?
>>
>
> That solution was for "What If Google shut down all its services overnight"
>
>
> There is reliable method to stop crackers to crack into your account which
> I can think of...
>
>>
>> May be the only extra safety is that (as you pointed out) I will not be
>> locked out like some gmail users were i.e. denial of service.
>>
>> I guess there is more to it than just buying a domain and setting up an
>> email with that (though I want to be wrong about this).
>>
>> By the way, I would love to know more about hosting email on my own
>> computer -- if that does not involve alpha-geek stuff and needs my
>> computer to be switched on and connected 24x7. I'll definitely also
>> google it up.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Nitesh
>>
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Re: [ubuntu-in] OT: gmail sms recovery (was leina yar)

[ಮಲ್ಲಿಕಾರ್ಜುನ್]

On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 12:10 AM, Nitesh Mistry wrote:

> On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 09:50:14PM +0530, Mallikarjun(ಮಲ್ಲಿಕಾರ್ಜುನ್) wrote:
> > On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 8:03 PM, Nitesh Mistry  >wrote:
> >
> > > On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 12:24:36PM +0530, Mallikarjun(ಮಲ್ಲಿಕಾರ್ಜುನ್)
> wrote:
> > > > Even I get scared quiet often, the only option left is to buy a
> domain
> > > just
> > > > for E-mail purpose...
> > >
> > > Pardon my ignorance, but how is buying a domain safe for emailing. I
> > > believe, you will still need someone to host the email!
> > > I would really like to explore this alternative.
> > >
> >
> > You can buy a domain name say www.example.com (host on your computer or
> buy
> > a shared space)
> >
> > Since it is your domain so you can setup an email account, example *
> > ar...@example.com* and it will be yours for your life unless you stop
> paying
> > for the domain...
>
> But this does not answer my query. I can buy a domain and setup an email
> account (which is what I am using right now, while writing this mail)
> but if someone can hack (crack, that is ;-) )tail account? What if I
> use google apps to host my email with personal domain?
>

That solution was for "What If Google shut down all its services overnight"

There is reliable method to stop crackers to crack into your account which I
can think of...

>
> May be the only extra safety is that (as you pointed out) I will not be
> locked out like some gmail users were i.e. denial of service.
>
> I guess there is more to it than just buying a domain and setting up an
> email with that (though I want to be wrong about this).
>
> By the way, I would love to know more about hosting email on my own
> computer -- if that does not involve alpha-geek stuff and needs my
> computer to be switched on and connected 24x7. I'll definitely also
> google it up.
>
>
> Regards,
> Nitesh
>
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Re: [ubuntu-in] OT: gmail sms recovery (was leina yar)

[Manish Sinha]

On 4/24/2010 11:06 AM, Ramnarayan.K wrote:
> On second thoughts had some more questions
> 1. What will google do with the mobile phone numbers (general question)
>

Whatever they do, they won't spam us like those private banks, insurance 
companies etc. The benefit you get is password recovery.

> more important question
>
> 2. Won't the folks cracking an account also start by changing the
> recovery information

I don't think you can change the mobile sms recovery number you set. I 
havn't tried it out yet, but believe that google should implement it the way
* You try to remove your mobile number
* A sms is sent to this number giving an un-subscribe code
* You have to go to the "remove sms recovery" page and enter this code.

I will check out whether this is the implementation or not.


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Re: [ubuntu-in] OT: gmail sms recovery (was leina yar)

[Nitesh Mistry]

On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 09:50:14PM +0530, Mallikarjun(ಮಲ್ಲಿಕಾರ್ಜುನ್) wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 8:03 PM, Nitesh Mistry 
> wrote:
> 
> > On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 12:24:36PM +0530, Mallikarjun(ಮಲ್ಲಿಕಾರ್ಜುನ್) wrote:
> > > Even I get scared quiet often, the only option left is to buy a domain
> > just
> > > for E-mail purpose...
> >
> > Pardon my ignorance, but how is buying a domain safe for emailing. I
> > believe, you will still need someone to host the email!
> > I would really like to explore this alternative.
> >
> 
> You can buy a domain name say www.example.com (host on your computer or buy
> a shared space)
> 
> Since it is your domain so you can setup an email account, example *
> ar...@example.com* and it will be yours for your life unless you stop paying
> for the domain...

But this does not answer my query. I can buy a domain and setup an email
account (which is what I am using right now, while writing this mail)
but if someone can hack (crack, that is ;-) ) in to my gmail account,
wouldn't he be able to get into my owned-domain email account? What if I
use google apps to host my email with personal domain?

May be the only extra safety is that (as you pointed out) I will not be
locked out like some gmail users were i.e. denial of service.

I guess there is more to it than just buying a domain and setting up an
email with that (though I want to be wrong about this).

By the way, I would love to know more about hosting email on my own
computer -- if that does not involve alpha-geek stuff and needs my
computer to be switched on and connected 24x7. I'll definitely also
google it up.


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Re: [ubuntu-in] OT: gmail sms recovery (was leina yar)

[ಮಲ್ಲಿಕಾರ್ಜುನ್]

On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 8:03 PM, Nitesh Mistry wrote:

> On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 12:24:36PM +0530, Mallikarjun(ಮಲ್ಲಿಕಾರ್ಜುನ್) wrote:
> > Even I get scared quiet often, the only option left is to buy a domain
> just
> > for E-mail purpose...
>
> Pardon my ignorance, but how is buying a domain safe for emailing. I
> believe, you will still need someone to host the email!
> I would really like to explore this alternative.
>

You can buy a domain name say www.example.com (host on your computer or buy
a shared space)

Since it is your domain so you can setup an email account, example *
ar...@example.com* and it will be yours for your life unless you stop paying
for the domain...


>
> Regards,
> Nitesh
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Re: [ubuntu-in] OT: gmail sms recovery (was leina yar)

[Nitesh Mistry]

On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 12:24:36PM +0530, Mallikarjun(ಮಲ್ಲಿಕಾರ್ಜುನ್) wrote:
> Even I get scared quiet often, the only option left is to buy a domain just
> for E-mail purpose...

Pardon my ignorance, but how is buying a domain safe for emailing. I
believe, you will still need someone to host the email!
I would really like to explore this alternative. 

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Re: [ubuntu-in] OT: gmail sms recovery (was leina yar)

[Ramnarayan.K]

On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 1:58 PM, Ramnarayan.K  wrote:
> a friend made a python script to enable this to happen , will post the
> link in a while, in case others also want a back up to gmail and they
> are having problems with their mail clients
>

For those interested in an alternative method to get their gmail here
are the links

This is what Abhijit, the friend who wrote the script out,  had to say
when i asked him if its ok to post the link
"
Sure, post a link to http://toroid.org/ams/gmail-mirror.pl for the code
and http://toroid.org/ams/etc/gmail-imap-mirror for instructions.

Maybe you should mention that there are other programs (OfflineIMAP, imapsync)
that can also get the job done in theory too."

**
and Abhijit also points out that its a perl script and no python , am
sure you don't want me in your programming team just yet ;-)

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Re: [ubuntu-in] OT: gmail sms recovery (was leina yar)

[Mehul Ved]

On Sat, 2010-04-24 at 15:29 +0530, Ramnarayan.K wrote:
> So after about 2 years (2005, 06) of happy thunderbird and gmail
> syncing in 2007 something when wrong maybe a changed distro or
> something i cannot be sure and thunderbird stopped downloading gmail.
> (i have used thnderbird in dual mode - i.e used by both M$ and linux
> at the same time) and have upgraded thnderbird and the dsitribution
> editions (it has always been ubuntu since 2005).
> 
> In an attempt to rectify the situation i reached a place with
> broadband and attempted to restart the downloads - this is about mid
> 2007 when gmail / thunderbird got stuck. It did not work
> 
> I tried to migrate to evolution - this did not work
> 
> I redid my pop to again start from the begiining on a totally fresh
> thunderbird install - and after a few days (stop start because of
> internet access) it got stuck exactly at midway 2007.
> 
> After that i gave up , only recently i tried kontact and was happy to
> note that it had begun downloading my mails from the stoppped point
> and as of now its reached dec 2007.

After looking at this conversation, I decided to try out Evolution. I
have setup my gmail account with IMAP and am now attempting to download
all messages for offline use. Let's see if it is successful or not.


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Re: [ubuntu-in] OT: gmail sms recovery (was leina yar)

[Ramnarayan.K]

HI

On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 2:29 PM, Gora Mohanty  wrote:
> On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 13:58:20 +0530
> "Ramnarayan.K"  wrote:
>
> However, being unable to download from Gmail is probably just a
> configuration issue. I have used Google with Evolution till I
> stopped using Evolution. However, this *was* before 2007, though I
> am surprised to hear that it has problems with Gmail. Anyone
> else using Evolution, Thunderbird, etc., with Gmail care to comment?
>
> I have been using claws-mail happily for several years now, and it
> has absolutely no problem with Gmail.

Am not sure when the problem originated, maybe it had something to do
with large attachments and some problems on my part with thunderbird.

You would know that in gmail when one enables pop services it offers
either from the beginning or from the current date, there is no option
for a randome user defined date.

So after about 2 years (2005, 06) of happy thunderbird and gmail
syncing in 2007 something when wrong maybe a changed distro or
something i cannot be sure and thunderbird stopped downloading gmail.
(i have used thnderbird in dual mode - i.e used by both M$ and linux
at the same time) and have upgraded thnderbird and the dsitribution
editions (it has always been ubuntu since 2005).

In an attempt to rectify the situation i reached a place with
broadband and attempted to restart the downloads - this is about mid
2007 when gmail / thunderbird got stuck. It did not work

I tried to migrate to evolution - this did not work

I redid my pop to again start from the begiining on a totally fresh
thunderbird install - and after a few days (stop start because of
internet access) it got stuck exactly at midway 2007.

After that i gave up , only recently i tried kontact and was happy to
note that it had begun downloading my mails from the stoppped point
and as of now its reached dec 2007.

However what does happen is that every time kontact starts up it and
begins downloading it shows me say as of now
201,608 kb remaining, downloading 106kb of 507 kb

The latter part is what is relevant - this would have started off at
say downloading xx of 11000 kb and as the days progress it continues
to reduce.

The overall remaining kb reduces but the immediate download figure
will grind to 0 and all downloading will stop.

The thing is i cannot figure out what is the issue and what there
should be this reducing inward flow.

Thats the reason for searching for an alternative to being able to
download gmail.

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Re: [ubuntu-in] OT: gmail sms recovery (was leina yar)

[Gora Mohanty]

On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 13:58:20 +0530
"Ramnarayan.K"  wrote:
[...]
> @ google dropping us dead cold -
> this is worrisome and i have been attempting to find out some
> solutions to download my gmail. As there seems to be some problem
> and neither evolution, nor thunderbird or kontact are able to
> proceed beyond december 2007 (for whatever reason)
[...]

Worrying about Google cutting one off is a reasonable concern, as
there have apparently been such cases, and Google reserves the
right to do that.

However, being unable to download from Gmail is probably just a
configuration issue. I have used Google with Evolution till I
stopped using Evolution. However, this *was* before 2007, though I
am surprised to hear that it has problems with Gmail. Anyone
else using Evolution, Thunderbird, etc., with Gmail care to comment?

I have been using claws-mail happily for several years now, and it
has absolutely no problem with Gmail.

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Re: [ubuntu-in] OT: gmail sms recovery (was leina yar)

[ಮಲ್ಲಿಕಾರ್ಜುನ್]

On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 1:41 PM, Sanjay Bhangar wrote:

> 2010/4/24 Mallikarjun :
> > I don't think this question is valid. Bcoz, Google has way more valuable
> > information than your mobile number, like all your chats, e-mails,
> browsing
> > habits, and much more. I think you should be concerned about them rather
> > than mobile numbers. Maximum one can do with mobile number is sell to
> > spammers.
> >
> Sorry, a bit OT, but I couldn't resist:
> Stumbled onto this recently: http://googlesharing.net/ -- a firefox
> addon that will proxy all your requests to Google to confuse them and
> give them less personally identifying data about all your browsing
> habits .. looks like a good tool if you're concerned about Big Brother
> google ..
>

This entire topic is OT  I think...

Anyway, I would suggest not to believe such proxy servers because, say

Without proxy --> Google will store all our browsing activites
With proxy --> Some one else (googlesharing.net) will have a chance to store
our browsing activites

Which is better??? I feel Google servers are more safe..

>
> sorry for the OT again :P
> -Sanjay
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Re: [ubuntu-in] OT: gmail sms recovery (was leina yar)

[Ramnarayan.K]

On 4/24/10, Mallikarjun  wrote:


> This topic is going of-topic I guesss...

maybe but this is about security so hope fully our large hearted mods
will allow it to go on a bit
>
> Even I get scared quiet often, the only option left is to buy a domain just
> for E-mail purpose...
> I have a small do's to avoid scare form crackers, but if Google goes down
> over night :P, we are virtually dead literally.

@ google dropping us dead cold -
this is worrisome and i have been attempting to find out some
solutions to download my gmail. As there seems to be some problem and
neither evolution, nor thunderbird or kontact are able to proceed
beyond december 2007 (for whatever reason)

a friend made a python script to enable this to happen , will post the
link in a while, in case others also want a back up to gmail and they
are having problems with their mail clients

>
> 1) Keep passwords irrelevant to our personal Information
> 2) Be cautious about what you share on Social networking sites
> 3) Don't use *remember password*  option for banking and important websites
> like E-mails systems
> 4) Install Noscript addon on Firefox
> 5) Use latest browsers and update regularly
> 6) *Use your brains and Common sense...*

Good thoughts

add to that
1. Don't share passwords across accounts and specially keep computer
and online passwords different

2. Don't send passwords by email
3. Don't hand out passwords to stupid websites who ask for them

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Re: [ubuntu-in] OT: gmail sms recovery (was leina yar)

[Sanjay Bhangar]

2010/4/24 Mallikarjun :
> I don't think this question is valid. Bcoz, Google has way more valuable
> information than your mobile number, like all your chats, e-mails, browsing
> habits, and much more. I think you should be concerned about them rather
> than mobile numbers. Maximum one can do with mobile number is sell to
> spammers.
>
Sorry, a bit OT, but I couldn't resist:
Stumbled onto this recently: http://googlesharing.net/ -- a firefox
addon that will proxy all your requests to Google to confuse them and
give them less personally identifying data about all your browsing
habits .. looks like a good tool if you're concerned about Big Brother
google ..

sorry for the OT again :P
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Re: [ubuntu-in] OT: gmail sms recovery (was leina yar)

[ಮಲ್ಲಿಕಾರ್ಜುನ್]

On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 11:33 AM, Ramnarayan.K wrote:

> 2010/4/24 Mallikarjun :
> >> On second thoughts had some more questions
> >> 1. What will google do with the mobile phone numbers (general question)
> >
> >
> > I don't think this question is valid. Bcoz, Google has way more valuable
> > information than your mobile number, like all your chats, e-mails,
> browsing
> > habits, and much more. I think you should be concerned about them rather
> > than mobile numbers. Maximum one can do with mobile number is sell to
> > spammers.
>
> true, i agree fully
>
> however its not like if a phone number appears in an email google can
> just take it, in this case we are legally giving it to them.
>
>
Yea, but I still I dont think it is of much use for them...


>
>
>>
> >> 2. Won't the folks cracking an account also start by changing the
> >> recovery information,
> >
> > Mostly one can crack into your E-mail system via recovery options, unless
> > you have obvious passwords like "password123".
> > Once they crack into, you can do very little if cracker changes
> password...
> > but they wont do that. They want to spy what you do.
> >
> > My answer is "It depends on the cracker".
>
> so no really safe options, if i look at what all is in my gmall
> already its quite easy for a cracker to just unplug me and become me,
> absolutely scary, in fact i think i am going to start deleting mails
> and reducing the size of my gmail account. Keep stuff offline
>
>
This topic is going of-topic I guesss...

Even I get scared quiet often, the only option left is to buy a domain just
for E-mail purpose...
I have a small do's to avoid scare form crackers, but if Google goes down
over night :P, we are virtually dead literally.

1) Keep passwords irrelevant to our personal Information
2) Be cautious about what you share on Social networking sites
3) Don't use *remember password*  option for banking and important websites
like E-mails systems
4) Install Noscript addon on Firefox
5) Use latest browsers and update regularly
6) *Use your brains and Common sense...*



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Re: [ubuntu-in] OT: gmail sms recovery (was leina yar)

[Ramnarayan.K]

2010/4/24 Mallikarjun :
>> On second thoughts had some more questions
>> 1. What will google do with the mobile phone numbers (general question)
>
>
> I don't think this question is valid. Bcoz, Google has way more valuable
> information than your mobile number, like all your chats, e-mails, browsing
> habits, and much more. I think you should be concerned about them rather
> than mobile numbers. Maximum one can do with mobile number is sell to
> spammers.

true, i agree fully

however its not like if a phone number appears in an email google can
just take it, in this case we are legally giving it to them.

>>
>> 2. Won't the folks cracking an account also start by changing the
>> recovery information,
>
> Mostly one can crack into your E-mail system via recovery options, unless
> you have obvious passwords like "password123".
> Once they crack into, you can do very little if cracker changes password...
> but they wont do that. They want to spy what you do.
>
> My answer is "It depends on the cracker".

so no really safe options, if i look at what all is in my gmall
already its quite easy for a cracker to just unplug me and become me,
absolutely scary, in fact i think i am going to start deleting mails
and reducing the size of my gmail account. Keep stuff offline

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Re: [ubuntu-in] OT: gmail sms recovery (was leina yar)

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On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 11:06 AM, Ramnarayan.K wrote:

> On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 10:53 AM, Ramnarayan.K 
> wrote:
> > On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 12:31 AM, Manish Sinha 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> You can use Google accounts SMS password recovery.
> >> This is something nice since I find mobile to be more secure than
> >> password. Someone can install a key logger and steal your password and
> >> even the secondary email address.
> >> For account recovery via sms, the cracker has to get hold of your mobile
> >> physically which makes this SMS recovery more reliable.
> >>
> http://www.google.com/support/accounts/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=152124
> >
> > One learns something new every day
> >
> > Thanks Manish, this is really useful to know. Makes life a bit less
> > scary , esp if one is on vulnerable systems
>
> On second thoughts had some more questions
> 1. What will google do with the mobile phone numbers (general question)
>

I don't think this question is valid. Bcoz, Google has way more valuable
information than your mobile number, like all your chats, e-mails, browsing
habits, and much more. I think you should be concerned about them rather
than mobile numbers. Maximum one can do with mobile number is sell to
spammers.


>
> more important question
>
> 2. Won't the folks cracking an account also start by changing the
> recovery information,
>

Mostly one can crack into your E-mail system via recovery options, unless
you have obvious passwords like "password123".
Once they crack into, you can do very little if cracker changes password...
but they wont do that. They want to spy what you do.

My answer is "It depends on the cracker".


>
> appreciate thoughts
>
> ram
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Re: [ubuntu-in] OT: gmail sms recovery (was leina yar)

[Ramnarayan.K]

On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 10:53 AM, Ramnarayan.K  wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 12:31 AM, Manish Sinha  wrote:
>>
>> You can use Google accounts SMS password recovery.
>> This is something nice since I find mobile to be more secure than
>> password. Someone can install a key logger and steal your password and
>> even the secondary email address.
>> For account recovery via sms, the cracker has to get hold of your mobile
>> physically which makes this SMS recovery more reliable.
>> http://www.google.com/support/accounts/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=152124
>
> One learns something new every day
>
> Thanks Manish, this is really useful to know. Makes life a bit less
> scary , esp if one is on vulnerable systems

On second thoughts had some more questions
1. What will google do with the mobile phone numbers (general question)

more important question

2. Won't the folks cracking an account also start by changing the
recovery information,

appreciate thoughts

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