Re: [Ubuntu-l10n-eng] [Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation

2011-11-20 Thread Marcus Haslam
I'm out of the office until 1st August.

On 29 Apr 2011, at 09:37, Greg Auger 406...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote:

 I've reported two new bugs:
 Unity at Bug #773037
 Nautilus at Bug #773039

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 Status in The Gnome Panel Applets:
  Fix Released
 Status in GNOME Common Scripts:
  Expired
 Status in Gnome Documentation Project:
  Expired
 Status in GVFS:
  Fix Released
 Status in One Hundred Paper Cuts:
  Fix Released
 Status in Nautilus:
  Fix Released
 Status in Ubuntu Manual:
  Fix Committed
 Status in Ubuntu Translations:
  Fix Released
 Status in “gnome-applets” package in Ubuntu:
  Fix Released
 Status in “transmission” package in Ubuntu:
  Invalid
 Status in “unity” package in Ubuntu:
  Invalid

 Bug description:
  #
  This bug has been fixed and closed.
  -
  If you find more applications where the Trash has not been renamed  
 to Rubbish bin, in en_GB,
  Kindly refrain from adding the bug task here.

  Instead, open NEW bug reports(With a mention of this bug number).

  #

  The deleted items folder is inconsistently named and is referred to  
 as
  both Wastebasket and Deleted items, Ubuntu offers to 'Empty Deleted
  Items' but the window is headed Wastebasket. The URL to deleted items
  is also trash:/// in nautilus but this is possibly a seperate issue.
  An effect of this can be seen in #115661 also.

  This could confuse new users and it should be a simple enough fix
  simply changing strings, so I believe it is a papercut.

  -
  from the Doc Team: the recommended term is now Rubbish Bin!
  -

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[Ubuntu-l10n-eng] [Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation

2011-06-09 Thread Chris Woollard
** Changed in: ubuntu-manual
   Status: Fix Committed = Fix Released

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[Ubuntu-l10n-eng] [Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation

2011-05-04 Thread Greg Auger
I've reported two new bugs:
Unity at Bug #773037
Nautilus at Bug #773039

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[Ubuntu-l10n-eng] [Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation

2011-01-15 Thread Bug Watch Updater
** Changed in: gnome-user-docs
   Status: Incomplete = Expired

** Changed in: gnome-common
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[Ubuntu-l10n-eng] [Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation

2010-11-30 Thread Vish
Unity is already tracked in Bug #646669 .
Transmission is Bug #653529

** Changed in: unity (Ubuntu)
   Status: New = Invalid

** Changed in: transmission (Ubuntu)
   Status: Fix Committed = Invalid

** Description changed:

+ #
+ This bug has been fixed and closed.
+ -
+ If you find more applications where the Trash has not been renamed to Rubbish 
bin, in en_GB,
+ Kindly refrain from adding the bug task here. 
+ 
+ Instead, open NEW bug reports(With a mention of this bug number).
+ 
+ #
+ 
  The deleted items folder is inconsistently named and is referred to as
  both Wastebasket and Deleted items, Ubuntu offers to 'Empty Deleted
  Items' but the window is headed Wastebasket. The URL to deleted items is
  also trash:/// in nautilus but this is possibly a seperate issue. An
  effect of this can be seen in #115661 also.
  
  This could confuse new users and it should be a simple enough fix simply
  changing strings, so I believe it is a papercut.
  
  -
  from the Doc Team: the recommended term is now Rubbish Bin!
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[Ubuntu-l10n-eng] [Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation

2010-11-30 Thread David Stansby
Added unity to the list. When you hover over the wastebucket icon in the
left hand corner, it says Trash

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[Ubuntu-l10n-eng] [Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation

2010-10-17 Thread charles
Reopening this ticket for ubuntu-translations to ask for confirmation
this is resolved for Transmission?  Transmission's still listed on this
ticket as triaged rather than fix committed or fix released.

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[Ubuntu-l10n-eng] [Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation

2010-10-17 Thread Vish
charles, It was marked fixed because the initial bug which was the issue here 
was fixed. 
The transmission task was added only 2weeks ago. 
It is better to file new bug rather than creating metabugs. 
If such metabugs are OK for the translations team, This bug will probably take 
a while to fix, since Trash is a very common occurrence and every application 
in the main/universe can keep re-opening this bug and spamming everyone.

See similar bug for Unity and Trash  Bug #646669 .

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[Ubuntu-l10n-eng] [Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation

2010-10-17 Thread charles
Re-closing this ticket to avoid metabugs, and reopening bug #653529

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[Ubuntu-l10n-eng] [Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation

2010-10-17 Thread Vish
Closing Transmission task, as Bug #653529  has been un-duped and is
tracked separately now.

** Changed in: transmission (Ubuntu)
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** Changed in: transmission (Ubuntu)
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[Ubuntu-l10n-eng] [Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation

2010-10-17 Thread Matthew Gall
Fixed as per
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/transmission/+bug/653529

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[Ubuntu-l10n-eng] [Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation

2010-10-05 Thread Kazade
Just a follow up to my previous comment, both the strings are translated
in launchpad, just not yet packaged in gnome-applets.

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Re: [Ubuntu-l10n-eng] [Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation

2010-10-05 Thread David Planella
El dv 01 de 10 de 2010 a les 08:27 +, en/na Kazade va escriure:
 Just a follow up to my previous comment, both the strings are translated
 in launchpad, just not yet packaged in gnome-applets.
 

We're starting to build the final language packs today, so they should
be there in a few days and include all the new translations.

If after you've updated to the latest language packs you still see any
remaining Deleted Items or Wastebasket instances, please report back and
let's investigate where they come from.

Thanks!

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[Ubuntu-l10n-eng] [Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation

2010-10-05 Thread Vish
I would suggest *against* adding the for this. Menu items are not
about forming grammatically correct complete sentences.

HIG specifies not to overuse these http://library.gnome.org/devel/gdp-
style-guide/stable/grammar.html.en

Also, no other menu items use the/a unnecessarily. 
Eg: nautilus File menu  is Create Folder , Create Document. and everywhere 
else in all applications it is the same pattern. 

Adding the here would mean bringing in a new inconsistency.

But, if the British think they invented English, then... Oh! wait! :-)

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[Ubuntu-l10n-eng] [Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation

2010-10-05 Thread charles
** Also affects: transmission (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided
   Status: New

** Changed in: transmission (Ubuntu)
 Assignee: (unassigned) = Ubuntu English (United Kingdom) Translators 
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[Ubuntu-l10n-eng] [Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation

2010-10-05 Thread Michael Fallows
Thanks David for the update and thanks to everyone who has worked on
this! Hope we have caught every translation and that the updates come
through soon :).

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2010-10-05 Thread charles
** Changed in: transmission (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided = Medium

** Changed in: transmission (Ubuntu)
   Status: New = Triaged

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[Ubuntu-l10n-eng] [Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation

2010-10-05 Thread Michael Fallows
To be fair I think the inconsistency with the the came about when I
was translating all of the original texts to Rubbish bin I kept a the
when it was a wordy text such Do you wish to send this to the Rubbish
Bin where as if it was an action/command Send to Rubbish Bin I missed
out the the. Could be my East London dialect that makes that sound OK
without the the? I guess this means I aggree with Vish as he is
talking mainly of the menu items (i.e. actions/commands).

Michael

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[Ubuntu-l10n-eng] [Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation

2010-10-05 Thread Vish
In US english it is Open Trash and Empty Trash , there is no the ,
why does UK English need extra the ?

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[Ubuntu-l10n-eng] [Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation

2010-10-05 Thread Vish
OK, I think my reference to the gnome HIG is a bit unfair over this
issue :-) [maybe a side-effect of replying at 3am on a Sat night :p ]

Because HIG is basically how the _default_ language style needs to be
written in Gnome UI and the default language is US English. So
everything else is just based accordingly there.

As popey mentioned, the translations need to adapt to the locale.
The local translators need to decide which sounds more apt for their locale and 
they weigh in on the benefits.

My non-locale view on this is that, this change *is* bringing in new
inconsistent to the items from the rest of the system menus.

However, the UK translators/users might find this an absolutely necessary 
change to make. 
If so, this needs to be done elsewhere too, to maintain a consistent UI. Kindly 
make the necessary changes elsewhere too.

Mostly, everwhere in HIG there is a reference of keeping labels short and for 
clear, consistent and concise labelling.
http://library.gnome.org/devel/hig-book/stable/language-labels.html.en

http://library.gnome.org/devel/hig-book/stable/menus-standard.html.en
Find Next, Find Previous , From FIle... , Add Bookmark , Edit Bookmarks , need 
to be changed
More items listed at :
http://library.gnome.org/devel/hig-book/stable/menus-design.html.en
http://library.gnome.org/devel/gdp-style-guide/stable/menu-terminology.html.en
http://library.gnome.org/devel/hig-book/stable/menus.html.en

This bug is about the inconsistent naming of wastebasket and Deleted items, and 
was fixed when popey confirmed with screenshot in comment #90, beyond which we 
have piggy-backed on this bug with another issue. 
Marking this bug as fixed, while the change to add the/a/an can be discussed 
in a new a bug for all menu items.

Thanks everyone for getting this fixed! :-)

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** Changed in: gvfs
   Status: Fix Committed = Fix Released

** Changed in: nautilus
   Status: Fix Committed = Fix Released

** Changed in: ubuntu-translations
   Status: Triaged = Fix Released

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[Ubuntu-l10n-eng] [Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation

2010-10-05 Thread David Planella
Hi everyone,

Thanks to everyone participating in the discussions and applying the
fixes, the original bug about inconsistent naming is now fixed. Good
work!

For any remaining issues such as the need to add an article to the
actions related to the Rubbish Bin, I'd recommend using the British
translators mailing list, which is a more appropriate forum for such
discussions.

Once agreement has been reached, you can modify the strings in Launchpad
if necessary, and they will be picked up in the next round of stable
release language pack updates, a few weeks after release.

Thanks!

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[Ubuntu-l10n-eng] [Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation

2010-10-05 Thread Kazade
The problem is that, Sent to Rubbish Bin and Empty Rubbish Bin sound
disjointed and robotic. It's not fair to compare it to trash because
Trash is what what goes in the bin (e.g. Empty Rubbish sounds OK).

Empty Rubbish Bin is understandable, it's just ugly.

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[Ubuntu-l10n-eng] [Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation

2010-10-05 Thread V A R G U X
** Changed in: hundredpapercuts
 Assignee: Ubuntu Documentation Project Team (ubuntu-doc) = (unassigned)

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[Ubuntu-l10n-eng] [Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation

2010-10-05 Thread Kazade
I've added suggested translations in Launchpad including the missing
the in gnome-applets and there is already an existing one in Nautilus
(for the button that appears when you view the rubbish bin). I don't
have magic translation review powers so I can only suggest the change,
can someone go in and review it?

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[Ubuntu-l10n-eng] [Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation

2010-10-05 Thread Kevin Godby
I concur with Vish: for menu items, the determiner 'the' should
typically be omitted. Here's a list of standard menus and menu items:

  http://library.gnome.org/devel/hig-book/stable/menus-standard.html.en

None of the menu items listed contain determiners.

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[Ubuntu-l10n-eng] [Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation

2010-10-03 Thread Phil Bull
Hi guys,

Please stick to the HIG with this. Deviating from it will introduce
ambiguities when translating the documentation. I should also point out
that this isn't a localisation issue, it's a stylistic one. We have this
terse style in UK English too (newspaper headlines use something
similar, for example), and it's perfectly acceptable.

It's OK for action labels, like those on buttons or in pop-up menus, to
sound disjointed. They're not full sentences; rather they're headings,
so there's no need for them to flow. The role of an action label is to
quickly identify a function, not to convey meaning, so there's no need
for the wording to sound pleasant. This would be different if we were
talking about (e.g.) the explanatory text in a dialog box, though.

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[Ubuntu-l10n-eng] [Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation

2010-10-02 Thread Alan Pope
Looking nicely consistent now - see screenshot.

Thanks everyone.


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[Ubuntu-l10n-eng] [Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation

2010-10-02 Thread Alan Pope
However whilst consistent, the previous wording on the applet was:-

Open the Wastebasket - Open Rubbish Bin
Empty the Deleted Items folder - Empty Rubbish Bin

Seems we've lost the the.

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[Ubuntu-l10n-eng] [Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation

2010-10-02 Thread Alan Pope
@vish, because it's grammatically correct ;) In the same way that we
use:- write to me where US English uses write me.

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[Ubuntu-l10n-eng] [Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation

2010-10-02 Thread Ricey
@popey  @Kazade,

Hi,
I've reviewed and 'saved' you're suggestions, they are correct as far as en_gb 
is concerned, if there are any other instances where you find this please let 
us know!

cheers

Ricey

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[Ubuntu-l10n-eng] [Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation

2010-09-30 Thread Josh Holland
OK, I just emptied the Rubbish Bin and a confirmation window popped up
and asked me if I really wanted to empty the Trash. So, there are
obviously some strings still hiding.

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[Ubuntu-l10n-eng] [Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation

2010-09-27 Thread Michael Fallows
Yes it has been changed in the source package (gnome-applets)
translations here
https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+source/gnome-
applets/+pots/gnome-
applets-2.0/en_GB/+translate?batch=10show=allsearch=wastebasket . Does
this need to be updated anywhere else to become an update within Ubuntu?

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[Ubuntu-l10n-eng] [Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation

2010-09-27 Thread Vish
@Michael Fallows: Could you check/correct the two menu items for the
trash-applet that Alan has pointed out?

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[Ubuntu-l10n-eng] [Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation

2010-09-27 Thread Michael Fallows
** Package changed: ubuntu = gnome-applets (Ubuntu)

** Changed in: gnome-applets (Ubuntu)
   Status: Triaged = Fix Committed

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[Ubuntu-l10n-eng] [Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation

2010-09-19 Thread Alan Pope
Looks like there is still two inconsistencies. Nautilus uses trash:// as
the uri to the Rubbish Bin. Okay, accept that this is unlikely to be
easily changeable in the same way that one wouldn't change /home to
/дома or whatever. However the applet at the bottom of the screen still
has two entirely different names for Rubbish Bin.

See screenshot, bottom right.

** Attachment added: Screenshot.png
   
https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/406626/+attachment/1610745/+files/Screenshot.png

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[Ubuntu-l10n-eng] [Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation

2010-09-17 Thread Michael Fallows
Translations changed to Rubbish Bin

** Changed in: gnome-applets
   Status: New = Fix Committed

** Changed in: gnome-applets
 Assignee: (unassigned) = Ubuntu English (United Kingdom) Translators 
(ubuntu-l10n-en-gb)

** Changed in: gvfs
 Assignee: (unassigned) = Ubuntu English (United Kingdom) Translators 
(ubuntu-l10n-en-gb)

** Changed in: gvfs
   Status: New = Fix Committed

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[Ubuntu-l10n-eng] [Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation

2010-09-17 Thread Michael Fallows
Sorry just for clarification by user guide I meant the Gnome
Documentation that is found in Ubuntu - System - Help and Support.

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[Ubuntu-l10n-eng] [Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation

2010-09-17 Thread Bug Watch Updater
** Changed in: gnome-user-docs
   Status: Unknown = Incomplete

** Changed in: gnome-user-docs
   Importance: Unknown = Medium

** Changed in: gnome-common
   Importance: Unknown = Medium

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[Ubuntu-l10n-eng] [Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation

2010-09-17 Thread Michael Fallows
** Also affects: ubuntu-manual
   Importance: Undecided
   Status: New

** Changed in: ubuntu-manual
   Status: New = Fix Committed

** Changed in: ubuntu-manual
 Assignee: (unassigned) = Ubuntu English (United Kingdom) Translators 
(ubuntu-l10n-en-gb)

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[Ubuntu-l10n-eng] [Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation

2010-09-17 Thread Vish
Michael Fallows ,Nice work!. Thanks for getting the fix committed.

** Changed in: hundredpapercuts
   Status: Triaged = Fix Committed

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[Ubuntu-l10n-eng] [Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation

2010-08-31 Thread Michael Fallows
** Summary changed:

- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization
+ Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation

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