Re: More granular LP permissions

2008-04-05 Thread Scott Ritchie
Stefan Potyra wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Am Samstag 05 April 2008 10:27:49 schrieb Scott Ritchie:
> [..]
>>> I think there are some wishlist reports already filed about a more
>>> granular permission concept, if not, let's do it together and formulate
>>> a clear proposal.
>> I'd like to echo my desire for team PPAs to have configurable access.  I
>> want members in a team for bug reporting purposes, but not to have
>> upload rights to the team PPA.
> 
> what about using two separate teams, one for bug reporting purposes and one 
> for PPA access?
> 

While that would function as a workaround, it complicates things by
requiring multiple teams which could lead to some confusion, especially
if things like bugs and mailing list messages start getting split
between the teams.

Thanks,
Scott Ritchie

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Re: More granular LP permissions

2008-04-05 Thread Stefan Potyra
Hi,

Am Samstag 05 April 2008 10:27:49 schrieb Scott Ritchie:
[..]
> >
> > I think there are some wishlist reports already filed about a more
> > granular permission concept, if not, let's do it together and formulate
> > a clear proposal.
>
> I'd like to echo my desire for team PPAs to have configurable access.  I
> want members in a team for bug reporting purposes, but not to have
> upload rights to the team PPA.

what about using two separate teams, one for bug reporting purposes and one 
for PPA access?

Cheers,
   Stefan.


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Re: FinalFreeze around the corner (universe/multiverse notes)

2008-04-05 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Sat, 5 Apr 2008 20:03:12 +0200 Stephan Hermann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Moins
>
>
>
>Am Sat, 5 Apr 2008 00:57:53 +0200
>schrieb Stefan Potyra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>> Hi again,
>> 
>> damn, I knew I forgot s.th., sorry!
>> 
>> Am Samstag 05 April 2008 00:48:09 schrieb Stefan Potyra:
>> [..]
>> >
>> > Firefox releated packages -> Alexander Sack (asac)
>> > KDE releated packages -> Jonathan Ridell (Ridell)
>> > Gnome Desktop packages -> ubuntu-desktop (or ask seb128)
>> > Mythbuntu -> Mario Limonciello (superm1 | mariolimonciell)
>> > Ubuntustudio -> Luke Yelavich (TheMuso) [..]
>> 
>> Xubuntu: Cody Sommerville (cody-sommerville)
>What about Wine? We had a permanent exception :) New wine will be
>released on 11th April...
>
We want that.  Consider this your motu-release ack.

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Re: More granular LP permissions

2008-04-05 Thread Stephan Hermann
Hi,


Am Fri, 04 Apr 2008 16:38:19 +0200
schrieb Emilio Pozuelo Monfort <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Stephan Hermann wrote:
> > Daniel Holbach wrote:
> >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> >> Hash: SHA1
> >>
> >> Stephan Hermann schrieb:
> >>   
> >>> Personally, I'm missing some more fine granulated permissions for
> >>> users and teams, regarding bug working on LP.
> >>> Means, (as an example) giving the right for adding tasks without
> >>> having some other guy to approve, I don't think it's good to do
> >>> that with inheriting the "bug control team".
> >>> I think it would make more sense, to "force" LP Devs, means
> >>> Canonical as driving force behind LP,  to implement a useful
> >>> permission system, where the teamlead can give or take special
> >>> rights from a user or even a "sub-team".
> >>> 
> >> AFAIK Everybody can add a task to a bug. Can you elaborate or do
> >> you have a different example?
> 
> I think Daniel was referring to adding bug tasks (e.g. adding a
> metacity task to a bug in gtk+). That's what I was thinking in the
> beginning too :)

Adding upstream bugs, for me, is not a task...a task is something to
work on. Adding upstream bugs is just for informational purposes.
Adding Tasks for our releases is something we work on.
This isn't possible right now for some people, but for every uploader
via ubuntu-dev.


> 
> > Everybody can add tasks, right, but they have to be approved by
> > members in special teams (e.g. ubuntu-dev).
> 
> Here I guess you mean adding tasks for Gutsy/Feisty...? If so, that's
> right, I think only ~ubuntu-dev can do so for packages in
> universe/multiverse, and ~ubuntu-core-dev for main/restricted. Those
> teams are specified in Uploaders at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu

Yes. And that's a pity. LP should grant more fine granulated
permissions towards bug working, and some other things, like Scott
mentioned (PPA Permissions). Not everyone from a team should e.g. be
able to close bugs (those which are assigned to a team) or upload
packages to the PPA.
This is all just an example..and I hope we (aka the LP Devs) can
address those missing parts in the near future.
 

> 
> > Giving those people (those -> contributors which are not ready for 
> > ubuntu-dev status, but are able to do the right things) the rights
> > to add tasks which are then already approved, is great.
> > That's also an appreciation towards those contributors. (Only

> > Regarding Universe/Multiverse Stuff, not Main/Restricted)
> >> Let's file bugs on LP for those cases where applicable.
> >>   
> > I think there are some wishlist reports already filed about a more 
> > granular permission concept, if not, let's do it together and
> > formulate a clear proposal.
> 
> If there's a need for this we could schedule a session for this at UDS

I think it would be a good idea to do this in an ubuntu meeting
(eventually having one LP dev at hand). I would like to see as well
universe contributors, who can tell us what they are missing from us,
which "appreciation" they want to see from Us, when they are not ready
as uploaders, but are more trained e.g. in other things.

Regards,

\sh 

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Re: Changes to the Universe Development team structure

2008-04-05 Thread Stephan Hermann
Hi,

Am Fri, 4 Apr 2008 23:35:42 +0200
schrieb Michael Bienia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> On 2008-04-04 10:51:45 +0200, Stephan Hermann wrote:
> > "MOTU" itself came from an internal joke from former times, but
> > right now, the real team is name's "ubuntu-dev", and internally
> > addressed as Ubuntu Universe Developers.
> 
> New MOTUs are added to the ~motu team. ~ubuntu-dev is "Ubuntu
> Development Team" and the team above ~ubuntu-core-dev and ~motu (plus
> some members from before the transition to ~motu).

Right...that's the LP structure sorry for mixing this...I meant more the
fact that all uploaders are "Ubuntu Developers" and non-core-uploaders
are "Ubuntu Universe Developers". 

Regards,
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Re: FinalFreeze around the corner (universe/multiverse notes)

2008-04-05 Thread Stephan Hermann
Moins



Am Sat, 5 Apr 2008 00:57:53 +0200
schrieb Stefan Potyra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Hi again,
> 
> damn, I knew I forgot s.th., sorry!
> 
> Am Samstag 05 April 2008 00:48:09 schrieb Stefan Potyra:
> [..]
> >
> > Firefox releated packages -> Alexander Sack (asac)
> > KDE releated packages -> Jonathan Ridell (Ridell)
> > Gnome Desktop packages -> ubuntu-desktop (or ask seb128)
> > Mythbuntu -> Mario Limonciello (superm1 | mariolimonciell)
> > Ubuntustudio -> Luke Yelavich (TheMuso) [..]
> 
> Xubuntu: Cody Sommerville (cody-sommerville)
What about Wine? We had a permanent exception :) New wine will be
released on 11th April...

Regards,

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Re: FinalFreeze around the corner (universe/multiverse notes)

2008-04-05 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Saturday 05 April 2008 11:29, Emilio Pozuelo Monfort wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Stefan Potyra wrote:
> > it's almost there, FinalFreeze will impact on April, 10th.
>
> [...]
>
> > Finally, in the last 24 hours, every upload must get approved by
> > motu-release, or ubuntu-release to not drain out the buildds.
>
> I didn't understand this... does it mean the freeze starts on April 9th, as
> in that we have to ask you before uploading? Could you clarify it?
>

No.  This freeze period starts on April 10 and runs until the archive is 
frozen for release.  For that last 24 hours before uploads are stopped, all 
uploads must be approved by motu-release (the delegations that have been 
described no longer apply).

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Re: FinalFreeze around the corner (universe/multiverse notes)

2008-04-05 Thread Emilio Pozuelo Monfort
Hi,

Stefan Potyra wrote:
> it's almost there, FinalFreeze will impact on April, 10th.
[...]
> Finally, in the last 24 hours, every upload must get approved by motu-release,
> or ubuntu-release to not drain out the buildds.

I didn't understand this... does it mean the freeze starts on April 9th, as in
that we have to ask you before uploading? Could you clarify it?

Thanks,
Emilio



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Re: More granular LP permissions

2008-04-05 Thread Scott Ritchie
Stephan Hermann wrote:
> Daniel Holbach wrote:
> Everybody can add tasks, right, but they have to be approved by members 
> in special teams (e.g. ubuntu-dev).
> Giving those people (those -> contributors which are not ready for 
> ubuntu-dev status, but are able to do the right things) the rights to 
> add tasks which are then already approved, is great.
> That's also an appreciation towards those contributors. (Only Regarding 
> Universe/Multiverse Stuff, not Main/Restricted)
>> Let's file bugs on LP for those cases where applicable.
>>   
> I think there are some wishlist reports already filed about a more 
> granular permission concept, if not, let's do it together and formulate 
> a clear proposal.
> 

I'd like to echo my desire for team PPAs to have configurable access.  I
want members in a team for bug reporting purposes, but not to have
upload rights to the team PPA.

Thanks,
Scott Ritchie

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