Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Themes on the phone
On 24/03/15 11:07, David Planella wrote: Hi Alan, I think the answer here is simply that the roadmap for the HTML5 story for the first phones has focused on providing a working Ambiance theme to match the QML theme rather than having an extensible theme framework. Could at least some of the sass stuff be generated by reading whatever the QML SystemPalette values are, so at least the HTML stuff stands a chance of looking like the QML apps when the theme changes? In terms of shipping the Ambiance theme locally in the click package, I'm not sure this is something that we're recommending in the documentation. I know that we are looking at making it easier for developers to fetch the HTML5 Ambiance theme corresponding to a given framework, so that they can ship it in their clicks if they want to do so, but I'm not aware of conversations about making this the preferred option. The webapps folks can probably give us more insights here. I was kind of hoping that remote web applications could reference the theme assets of the device through some kind of Sass include, so I could write something like an admin module for Wordpress or Joomla or Vtiger or Odoo or Alfresco so that when you log on to your instance of this software on your Ubuntu server from your Ubuntu phone everything looks as native as the dialler, flip the theme on your phone and all your open source remote web apps respect that theme change. It now seems that there is, and will be, no theme changing on the phone, which is a bit odd, I was expecting to do something like link href=http://localhost/ubuntutheme.css; to pick up a Sass or less compiled stylesheet that reflected the currently selected theme of the device. I'll defer commenting on how this could be accomplished with webapps to the experts, but could you not do this today already by writing an HTML5 admin app (as opposed to a remote webapp) that uses the Wordpress, Joomla or whichever API? well that means that user would have to decide to install it on the handset, configure it to point at their server, turn on the XML api on their server for Wordpress and manage updates to their local device application separately to their server. Doing it all server-side makes a heap more sense to me - and I can get an Ubuntu Phone enhancement module in the vtiger and the Joomla! marketplace and so on, no need to worry about synchronising API versions between client and server, massively reduced maintenance, and it is all just HTML and CSS, nobody needs to learn QML and c++. I am really not interested in writing native local apps that need installing, I want it to just work and for various free software applications and a free software device to be optimised for each other. The thing is there is very little user-value in convergence, but loads in synergy. If the Ubuntu Phone is the most awesome handset to have if you use Free Software on the server then that is a great reason to use it. If your phone runs the same desktop shell as your laptop then that is kinda interesting, but not compelling. Alan. -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Ubuntu-phone] Issues with music player and scope
I'm using Nexus 4(mako). From vivid proposed release 145 onwards, i'm not able to play the next song in the music player without restarting the phone i.e. i'm able to play only one song at a time which keeps repeating itself. I'm also unable to search and play more than one song from the music scope. Is it happening to anyone else? Is it a bug? can anyone confirm? -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Issues with music player and scope
Actually, maybe someone on this list can find a better project to mark as affected. It seems that a gstreamer update in image 145 is most likely the cause [1]. 1 - http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/touch-image-stats/145.changes Victor On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 8:39 AM, Victor Thompson victor.thomp...@gmail.com wrote: sampth, Thanks for reporting this! I can confirm on vivid image #146. Could you file a bug against music-app and media-hub? I think this is either a bug in media-hub or somewhere else higher in the stack. I see the following in media-hub's log when the system starts to refuse to play music: Found audio content void core::ubuntu::media::ServiceSkeleton::Private::handle_pause_other_sessions(const Ptr) video_height: 0, video_width: 0 Requested new system wakelock play Client died, resetting pipeline void gstreamer::Playbin::reset_pipeline() Victor On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 8:33 AM, sampth kumar krishnan tskrish...@gmail.com wrote: I'm using Nexus 4(mako). From vivid proposed release 145 onwards, i'm not able to play the next song in the music player without restarting the phone i.e. i'm able to play only one song at a time which keeps repeating itself. I'm also unable to search and play more than one song from the music scope. Is it happening to anyone else? Is it a bug? can anyone confirm? -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] [Ongoing] Issues with CI Train Spreadsheet
On 03/24/2015 04:41 AM, Robert Park wrote: On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 1:18 AM, Alberto Mardegan alberto.marde...@canonical.com wrote: Well, I think that this has bit me in the past too. The problem is that if you pass 013 as the silo number, then it's taken as an octal number. :-) Maybe the citrain tool should strip leading 0s. $ printf %03d 013 011 Well, I feel stupid now. The whole point of using printf was to pad the zeroes for you ;-) Damn, that crossed my mind briefly last night, but I was spent, so gave it no more thought. I did confirm this morning that here was a previous silo-011 ppa on the device, but after deleting, still hit the same problem. Mystery solved! I'm on vacation this week. I'll push a branch for this next week unless somebody beats me to it. For now just make sure you don't use leading 0's when you're using the tool. Thanks for the help. /t p.s. since your on vaction, please don't reply till your back!!! -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Issues with music player and scope
sampth, Thanks for reporting this! I can confirm on vivid image #146. Could you file a bug against music-app and media-hub? I think this is either a bug in media-hub or somewhere else higher in the stack. I see the following in media-hub's log when the system starts to refuse to play music: Found audio content void core::ubuntu::media::ServiceSkeleton::Private::handle_pause_other_sessions(const Ptr) video_height: 0, video_width: 0 Requested new system wakelock play Client died, resetting pipeline void gstreamer::Playbin::reset_pipeline() Victor On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 8:33 AM, sampth kumar krishnan tskrish...@gmail.com wrote: I'm using Nexus 4(mako). From vivid proposed release 145 onwards, i'm not able to play the next song in the music player without restarting the phone i.e. i'm able to play only one song at a time which keeps repeating itself. I'm also unable to search and play more than one song from the music scope. Is it happening to anyone else? Is it a bug? can anyone confirm? -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Themes on the phone
On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 10:04 AM, Alan Bell alanb...@ubuntu.com wrote: Hi all, right now the theme on the phone is located in /usr/share/ubuntu-html5-ui- toolkit/0.1/ambiance the documentation shows how to create HTML5 apps that reference this directly https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/apps/html-5/guides/html5-guide/ !-- Ubuntu UI Style imports - Ambiance theme -- link href=/usr/share/ubuntu-html5-ui-toolkit/0.1/ambiance/css/appTemplate.css rel=stylesheet type=text/css / Apparently it is now best practice to scoop this up and pop it in the click package of the application rather than reference it from the file system, either way, your application is locked for all time to version 0.1 of Ambiance. If the phone grows some UI for changing the theme then some core apps might change but your HTML5 apps won't pick up the changes because they are still pointing at the old theme. If you change to a high contrast large font accessible theme then your applications won't change. We can't develop new themes as click packages and get the whole system to respect the theme, each application will do it's own thing. Is this the actual design intention? We are locked forever into the aesthetic preferences of the design team? Hi Alan, I think the answer here is simply that the roadmap for the HTML5 story for the first phones has focused on providing a working Ambiance theme to match the QML theme rather than having an extensible theme framework. In terms of shipping the Ambiance theme locally in the click package, I'm not sure this is something that we're recommending in the documentation. I know that we are looking at making it easier for developers to fetch the HTML5 Ambiance theme corresponding to a given framework, so that they can ship it in their clicks if they want to do so, but I'm not aware of conversations about making this the preferred option. The webapps folks can probably give us more insights here. I was kind of hoping that remote web applications could reference the theme assets of the device through some kind of Sass include, so I could write something like an admin module for Wordpress or Joomla or Vtiger or Odoo or Alfresco so that when you log on to your instance of this software on your Ubuntu server from your Ubuntu phone everything looks as native as the dialler, flip the theme on your phone and all your open source remote web apps respect that theme change. It now seems that there is, and will be, no theme changing on the phone, which is a bit odd, I was expecting to do something like link href=http://localhost/ubuntutheme.css; to pick up a Sass or less compiled stylesheet that reflected the currently selected theme of the device. I'll defer commenting on how this could be accomplished with webapps to the experts, but could you not do this today already by writing an HTML5 admin app (as opposed to a remote webapp) that uses the Wordpress, Joomla or whichever API? Cheers, David -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] ubuntu phone bq 4.5 how to connecte from ubuntu 14.04?
Hi! You need to start the daemon: adb devices -l And turn on dev on Phone! Cheers Pontus From: Konrad Hofermailto:konrad.ho...@unibz.it Sent: 24/03/2015 16:42 To: ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.netmailto:ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Subject: [Ubuntu-phone] ubuntu phone bq 4.5 how to connecte from ubuntu 14.04? hi, I connect my bq 4.5 via usb to Ubuntu 14.04, an filemanager windows opens: Aquaris E4.5 with 5 folders: Documents, Downloads, Music, Pictures and Videos. How can I access via the terminal? adb shell error: device not found lsusb Bus 001 Device 021: ID 2a47:0c02 Infos: Developer mode is on, set a passcode! OS build number: 20 Ubuntu Image part: 20150312 regards, konrad -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Ubuntu-phone] ubuntu phone bq 4.5 how to connecte from ubuntu 14.04?
hi, I connect my bq 4.5 via usb to Ubuntu 14.04, an filemanager windows opens: Aquaris E4.5 with 5 folders: Documents, Downloads, Music, Pictures and Videos. How can I access via the terminal? adb shell error: device not found lsusb Bus 001 Device 021: ID 2a47:0c02 Infos: Developer mode is on, set a passcode! OS build number: 20 Ubuntu Image part: 20150312 regards, konrad -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] ubuntu phone bq 4.5 how to connecte from ubuntu 14.04?
Hi Konrad, I don't think the version of adb in 14.04 is aware of the BQ vendor ID by default (this is patched in 14.10). You should be able to add that manually by creating a file called: ~/.android/adb_usb.ini containing the string: 0x2a47 Hope that helps, Mike. On Tue, 2015-03-24 at 16:41 +0100, Konrad Hofer wrote: hi, I connect my bq 4.5 via usb to Ubuntu 14.04, an filemanager windows opens: Aquaris E4.5 with 5 folders: Documents, Downloads, Music, Pictures and Videos. How can I access via the terminal? adb shell error: device not found lsusb Bus 001 Device 021: ID 2a47:0c02 Infos: Developer mode is on, set a passcode! OS build number: 20 Ubuntu Image part: 20150312 regards, konrad -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] ubuntu phone bq 4.5 how to connecte from ubuntu 14.04?
On 24/03/15 16:55, Mike Sheldon wrote: Hi Konrad, I don't think the version of adb in 14.04 is aware of the BQ vendor ID by default (this is patched in 14.10). You should be able to add that manually by creating a file called: ~/.android/adb_usb.ini containing the string: 0x2a47 That worked, after a adb kill-server adb start-server Thanks a lot cheers, konrad -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] ubuntu phone bq 4.5 how to connecte from ubuntu 14.04?
On 24/03/15 16:48, Pontus Öhman wrote: adb devices -l I did: adb devices -l List of devices attached but the list remains empty! Dev is On (set a passcode) adb kill-server adb start-server * daemon not running. starting it now on port 5037 * * daemon started successfully * dmesg [29250.344219] usb 1-5.2: new high-speed USB device number 22 using ehci-pci [29250.437179] usb 1-5.2: New USB device found, idVendor=2a47, idProduct=0c02 [29250.437183] usb 1-5.2: New USB device strings: Mfr=2, Product=3, SerialNumber=4 [29250.437185] usb 1-5.2: Product: Aquaris_E4.5 [29250.437187] usb 1-5.2: Manufacturer: BQ [29250.437189] usb 1-5.2: SerialNumber: JU002917 any ideas? thanks a lot cheers, konrad -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Ubuntu-phone] Themes on the phone
Hi all, right now the theme on the phone is located in /usr/share/ubuntu-html5-ui-toolkit/0.1/ambiance the documentation shows how to create HTML5 apps that reference this directly https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/apps/html-5/guides/html5-guide/ !-- Ubuntu UI Style imports - Ambiance theme -- link href=/usr/share/ubuntu-html5-ui-toolkit/0.1/ambiance/css/appTemplate.css rel=stylesheet type=text/css / Apparently it is now best practice to scoop this up and pop it in the click package of the application rather than reference it from the file system, either way, your application is locked for all time to version 0.1 of Ambiance. If the phone grows some UI for changing the theme then some core apps might change but your HTML5 apps won't pick up the changes because they are still pointing at the old theme. If you change to a high contrast large font accessible theme then your applications won't change. We can't develop new themes as click packages and get the whole system to respect the theme, each application will do it's own thing. Is this the actual design intention? We are locked forever into the aesthetic preferences of the design team? I was kind of hoping that remote web applications could reference the theme assets of the device through some kind of Sass include, so I could write something like an admin module for Wordpress or Joomla or Vtiger or Odoo or Alfresco so that when you log on to your instance of this software on your Ubuntu server from your Ubuntu phone everything looks as native as the dialler, flip the theme on your phone and all your open source remote web apps respect that theme change. It now seems that there is, and will be, no theme changing on the phone, which is a bit odd, I was expecting to do something like link href=http://localhost/ubuntutheme.css; to pick up a Sass or less compiled stylesheet that reflected the currently selected theme of the device. Alan. -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Manually deploying app to device
Thank you very much, this worked flawlessly (you just forgot to put run and there must be a dash, not a point in ubuntu-sdk.15.10). Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 00:36:17 +0100 From: benjamin.zel...@canonical.com To: michal.saw...@canonical.com; bogdan.c...@hotmail.com; nikwen.develo...@gmail.com; ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Manually deploying app to device Am 22.03.2015 um 22:18 schrieb Michal Sawicz: W dniu 22.03.2015 o 20:45, Bogdan Cuza pisze: Well, this seems quite complicated, I think I'll stick to auto deployment for now, but thanks anyway. Not so complicated, you need: 1. armhf chroot (click chroot -a armhf -f ubuntu-sdk-15.10 create) 2. create your project (/home/user/project) 3. cd /home/user/project 4. mkdir build-armhf 5. cd build-armhf 6. click chroot -a armhf -f ubuntu-sdk.15.10 cmake .. 7. click chroot -a armhf -f ubuntu-sdk.15.10 make 8. click chroot -a armhf -f ubuntu-sdk.15.10 make DESTDIR=/tmp/package install 9. click build /tmp/package The finished package will be in the cwd. You will need a valid manifest.json file of course. The make install step should install it into the root of the click package (/tmp/package). You can check out how to write a valid manifest.json file by creating a example project with QtCreator. It's actually quite much easier by reusing the bits we use for cross-building .deb packages: $ eval $(dpkg-architecture --print-set --host-arch armhf) This exports a set of environment variables that a cmake module1 then interprets and sets all the needed variables for you. Which means you can then use cmake alone and all should be set up for you. 1 /usr/share/cmake-3.0/Modules/MultiArchCross.cmake I might be wrong, but this won't use the official click build chroots, which means you can not be sure you are linking against the supported libraries. I would suggest to use the chroots. HTH, -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Themes on the phone
Hi, and thanks for your help working through this! On 24/03/15 18:07, Alexandre Abreu wrote: Hi, That sounds about right, ... As you said, since then the css/js has since then received a bit of love with quite a bit a bug fixing ad polishing for the system wide installed theme. Our goal was to get it in proper work order so that most of the hurdles are not there anymore and to basically keep it that way (hurdles free), Also, it is not in our priority at the moment to expand the support to more theme or to have a more extensive support for theme switching (more on that later). totally understand that We could revisit some of those bits if we are met with enough interest and we obviously welcome contributions with open arms, this project in particular is very contribution friendly. yay We might *fix* the theme layout to make things more manageable in terms of theme selection (sounds like a low hanging fruit) and make it more future proof, this seems like a reasonable thing to do anyway and I will take a note to try to tackle that, Regarding the mechanism to have a system wide theme selection, this is something that we can tackle once we have something that is in better shape in terms of structure, and I can think of easy mechanisms to add there, -- Alex I do totally appreciate that the priority is one working theme, I am just trying to figure out something sensible to do now, so that things stand a fighting chance of working in the future. I am a bit concerned that getting local and remote apps to load /usr/share/ubuntu-html5-ui-toolkit/*0.1/ambiance*/css/appTemplate.css is doomed to fail at some point in the future. If right now there was a /usr/share/ubuntu-unity-theme which was a symlink to /usr/share/ubuntu-html5-ui-toolkit/0.1/ambiance then I could happily load /usr/share/ubuntu-unity-theme/appTemplate.css in the knowledge that one day there might be something more dynamic there, which would likely continue to work reasonably well even it ends up not being a symlink, but some dynamically generated thing based on values picked out of the QML theme for the device. There are other ways to solve this, like a file that does an @include of our one and only theme, and there are probably issues around javascript and paths and containment that I don't yet understand. I don't think theme selection needs to be solved today, but I do think that if a little bit of abstraction is done now, then it avoids a squillion html5 apps failing to look consistent with the rest of the system or flat out breaking as soon as we do have a means of managing themes. Alan. -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Ubuntu-phone] codec
hi i took a video with the camera in ubuntu touch, the videos work on external device but not on the touch im in read write and ive searched for restricted extras and added the ppas but not sure there available for arm on ubuntu is there a deb or ppa i can add to get the video player support the mp4 format it creates videos in on nexus on 14.10(r17) -- Regards, Wayne Ward 07810242823 www.wayneward.co.uk i...@wayneward.co.uk -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Themes on the phone
Hey Alan, On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 2:41 PM, Alan Bell alanb...@ubuntu.com wrote: Hi, and thanks for your help working through this! I do totally appreciate that the priority is one working theme, I am just trying to figure out something sensible to do now, so that things stand a fighting chance of working in the future. I am a bit concerned that getting local and remote apps to load /usr/share/ubuntu-html5-ui-toolkit/ *0.1/ambiance*/css/appTemplate.css is doomed to fail at some point in the future. As I said on #ubuntu-webapps, I agree, and I will add this to my TODO at least to make things less strongly bounded, ... to be in a better shape when we tackle things at the theme level, -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] [Ongoing] Issues with CI Train Spreadsheet
On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 1:18 AM, Alberto Mardegan alberto.marde...@canonical.com wrote: Well, I think that this has bit me in the past too. The problem is that if you pass 013 as the silo number, then it's taken as an octal number. :-) Maybe the citrain tool should strip leading 0s. $ printf %03d 013 011 Well, I feel stupid now. The whole point of using printf was to pad the zeroes for you ;-) I'm on vacation this week. I'll push a branch for this next week unless somebody beats me to it. For now just make sure you don't use leading 0's when you're using the tool. -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Themes on the phone
On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 5:04 AM, Alan Bell alanb...@ubuntu.com wrote: Apparently it is now best practice to scoop this up and pop it in the click package of the application rather than reference it from the file system, either way, your application is locked for all time to version 0.1 of Ambiance. If the phone grows some UI for changing the theme then some core apps might change but your HTML5 apps won't pick up the changes because they are still pointing at the old theme. If you change to a high contrast large font accessible theme then your applications won't change. We can't develop new themes as click packages and get the whole system to respect the theme, each application will do it's own thing. Allow me to add some context, as I understand it. Last October, the HTML5 theme was in bad shape. There were a number of bugs and it was not being kept up with the QML theme. This left HTML5 developers with three bad options: 1) Live with the problems and hope they get fixed soon. But there had been only 8 commits in the previous six months (three of which just updating the changelog), so this seemed a bit optimistic. 2) Monkey patch fixes onto the existing styles, and hope that things didn't break when the system styles got fixed. 3) Make a local copy of the styles and fix those. If and when the system styles got updated, the developer could merge those in intentionally, avoiding breakage. The third option seemed the least bad to me, and I said so at the October sprint. Judging by how quickly the HTML5 team agreed with me, I suspect they had reached the same conclusion themselves. Is this the actual design intention? I don't think that anyone wanted this behavior. But given that the HTML5 team lacked the resources to keep the theme up-to-date and in good working order, it seemed the least bad solution. I notice that, since then, the HTML5 theme has received more love. I haven't had the time to checkout out the improvements in any detail, but if it has improved enough and the HTML5 team can commit to keeping it up to date, it may be worth revisiting this recommendation. This is all based on my impressions from the outside. I hope I'm not misrepresenting anything too badly. Robert -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Themes on the phone
Hi, On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 1:44 PM, Robert Schroll rschr...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 5:04 AM, Alan Bell alanb...@ubuntu.com wrote: Apparently it is now best practice to scoop this up and pop it in the click package of the application rather than reference it from the file system, either way, your application is locked for all time to version 0.1 of Ambiance. If the phone grows some UI for changing the theme then some core apps might change but your HTML5 apps won't pick up the changes because they are still pointing at the old theme. If you change to a high contrast large font accessible theme then your applications won't change. We can't develop new themes as click packages and get the whole system to respect the theme, each application will do it's own thing. Allow me to add some context, as I understand it. Last October, the HTML5 theme was in bad shape. There were a number of bugs and it was not being kept up with the QML theme. This left HTML5 developers with three bad options: 1) Live with the problems and hope they get fixed soon. But there had been only 8 commits in the previous six months (three of which just updating the changelog), so this seemed a bit optimistic. 2) Monkey patch fixes onto the existing styles, and hope that things didn't break when the system styles got fixed. 3) Make a local copy of the styles and fix those. If and when the system styles got updated, the developer could merge those in intentionally, avoiding breakage. The third option seemed the least bad to me, and I said so at the October sprint. Judging by how quickly the HTML5 team agreed with me, I suspect they had reached the same conclusion themselves. That sounds about right, ... As you said, since then the css/js has since then received a bit of love with quite a bit a bug fixing ad polishing for the system wide installed theme. Our goal was to get it in proper work order so that most of the hurdles are not there anymore and to basically keep it that way (hurdles free), Also, it is not in our priority at the moment to expand the support to more theme or to have a more extensive support for theme switching (more on that later). We could revisit some of those bits if we are met with enough interest and we obviously welcome contributions with open arms, this project in particular is very contribution friendly. We might *fix* the theme layout to make things more manageable in terms of theme selection (sounds like a low hanging fruit) and make it more future proof, this seems like a reasonable thing to do anyway and I will take a note to try to tackle that, Regarding the mechanism to have a system wide theme selection, this is something that we can tackle once we have something that is in better shape in terms of structure, and I can think of easy mechanisms to add there, -- Alex -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] [Ongoing] Issues with CI Train Spreadsheet
On 03/23/2015 09:37 PM, Robert Park wrote: On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 7:33 AM, Tony Espy e...@canonical.com wrote: I noticed over the weekend that 'citrain device-upgrade' was getting the silo wrong ( ie. I'd specified ubuntu silo 13, and it started to process silo 11 ). I have no idea how that could even be remotely possible. Unless your pin is 0011 and you got your pin / silo number mixed up when invoking the command. Check the source for the citrain tool: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/phablet-tools/trunk/view/head:/citrain#L59 Unless you've discovered a bug in *printf*, there's really no possibility for the silonumber to not be exactly what you entered. Well, I think that this has bit me in the past too. The problem is that if you pass 013 as the silo number, then it's taken as an octal number. :-) Maybe the citrain tool should strip leading 0s. Ciao, Alberto -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
