Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Security updates end and app store closing

[Melvin Carvalho]

On 24 April 2017 at 20:51, Tony Scott  wrote:

> http://www.networkworld.com/article/3191867/open-source-
> tools/ubuntu-phone-security-updates-end-in-june-app-store-closing.html


Thanks for sharing.

Is there any alternative app store?

Perhaps it may be possible to replace the payments with something
decentralized like bitcoin (just thinking out loud).


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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Thank you

[Melvin Carvalho]

On 10 April 2017 at 20:21, Pat McGowan  wrote:

> Dear contributors and enthusiasts
>
> On behalf of the entire team that worked on Ubuntu Touch, Unity8, Mir, the
> apps, the services, the hw enablement, the QA, the releases, the CI
> infrastructure...  thanks for your commitment, patience and the many kind
> words for the developers and the products.
>
> Working on this great software was a very rewarding experience made more
> so by your involvement.
> I share the hope that it lives on.
>
> So long for now
>

Thanks for your effort.  Competing with mobile OS's was a mountain to
climb, and I actually thought you got pretty close to the peak!

If there's negative comments on this list, it's due to how far the project
came against the odds, and frustration at being so close.  And that people
barely had time to take in the decision.

This has been one of the most brilliant communities anywhere.  I hope it
continues in some sense, because the potential is still world changing.

Thanks for keeping the list open, and all the best!


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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Freedom

[Melvin Carvalho]

On 7 April 2017 at 11:43, Alan Griffiths  wrote:

> On 05/04/17 21:51, A. James Lewis wrote:
> > I definitely hope the work can be continued as an independent project
> >
>
> Some thoughts on this option:
>
>http://voices.canonical.com/alan.griffiths/2017/04/07/the-
> end-of-a-dream/


Great post, thanks!

Incremental change seems the way to go, with a reduced eco system.


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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Official end off Ubuntu Phone - Please read this because this is sad....

[Melvin Carvalho]

On 7 April 2017 at 05:26, Jo-Erlend Schinstad  wrote:

> > Will work on ubuntu phone continue?
>
>>
>>
>>> In a word: No.
>>>
>>
>> Could it perhaps be rebooted as a community effort, and shared vision?
>>
>>
>
>
> Yes, any Free Software product can be turned into a community effort. But
> if the problem is a lack of a revenue model, then I think adding a revenue
> model would be a smart move. So I would rather imagine that the team who's
> been working on Unity 8 start a business and sell subscriptions. I
> definitely wouldn't mind paying a small fee each year for the continued
> support of my phone and desktop.
>
>
>
Or crowd funding with an ubuntu phone foundation?
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Death is Not an Option

[Melvin Carvalho]

On 6 April 2017 at 21:57, Wayne Taylor  wrote:

> There are two ways to view this kind of a day:
>
> 1) the end of something good - the death of a loved one or
>
> 2) the start of something new, the beginning of a new thing
>
> It's both.
>
> I've been a side-line participant always handicapped by my lack of time
> and my lack of skills.
>
> Unity and convergence was the single most important part of my tech life.
>
> In my opinion, to start something new, we need a 'new canonical'.
>
> Canonical has done great work, and thanks for it, and they've made a
> choice to 'go their own way'.  No problem.  We all have free wills
> whether you agree with that statement or not.
>
> And so I hereby proclaim that something new must start today.
>
> It's time to rally the troops, and rally the $$.
>
> Who's in?
>
> Who will lead and delegate? (and don't be so liberal to think you don't
> need a leader because that's horse feces)
>
> I know one very excellent candidate and he knows who he is and he can
> contact me on the side if he agrees.
>
> The time is now.
>
> The people are we.
>
> Let's not watch the tragic end of the best ever thing in free software.
>
> 
>

I will continue to support this project, if I can -- I presume the mailing
list and IRC will continue to be places to share ideas?

One thing I would like to see is a bolder vision than android for mobile
experience.  ie one that is not tied to large monopolies

I am inspired by Tim Berner-Lee's vision of where the web can go:

https://www.wired.com/2017/04/tim-berners-lee-inventor-web-plots-radical-overhaul-creation/

An ubuntu phone with a browser that is free software and has more modern
(decentralized and social) features is something I'd love to use.

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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Official end off Ubuntu Phone - Please read this because this is sad....

[Melvin Carvalho]

On 6 April 2017 at 21:49, Roberto Resoli <robe...@resolutions.it> wrote:

> Il 06/04/2017 21:31, Melvin Carvalho ha scritto:
> > On 5 April 2017 at 19:28, miguel pires <xadrezmiguelpi...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> https://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/04/05/growing-ubuntu-for-
> >> cloud-and-iot-rather-than-phone-and-convergence/
> >>
> >> *This is from the post from Mark Shuttleworth*
> >>
> >>
> >> "I’m writing to let you know that we will end our investment in Unity8,
> >> the phone and convergence shell. We will shift our default Ubuntu
> desktop
> >> back to GNOME for Ubuntu 18.04 LTS."
> >>
> > Didnt fully understand the implications here.
> >
> > Will work on ubuntu phone continue?
>
> In a word: No.
>

Could it perhaps be rebooted as a community effort, and shared vision?

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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Official end off Ubuntu Phone - Please read this because this is sad....

[Melvin Carvalho]

On 5 April 2017 at 19:28, miguel pires  wrote:

> https://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/04/05/growing-ubuntu-for-
> cloud-and-iot-rather-than-phone-and-convergence/
>
> *This is from the post from Mark Shuttleworth*
>
>
> "I’m writing to let you know that we will end our investment in Unity8,
> the phone and convergence shell. We will shift our default Ubuntu desktop
> back to GNOME for Ubuntu 18.04 LTS."
>

Didnt fully understand the implications here.

Will work on ubuntu phone continue?


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[Ubuntu-phone] Is ubuntu phone resistant to vault 7 attacks?

[Melvin Carvalho]

Recently, the CIA lost control of the majority of its hacking arsenal
including malware, viruses, trojans, weaponized "zero day" exploits,
malware remote control systems and associated documentation. This
extraordinary collection, which amounts to more than several hundred
million lines of code, gives its possessor the entire hacking capacity of
the CIA

https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/

Mark Shuttleworth has previous said that Ubuntu is strongly resistant to
viruses.

Many reports of Android and IOS targeting, perhaps this is a good reason to
switch to ubuntu phone?
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Discussion on Hacker News

[Melvin Carvalho]

On 15 January 2017 at 14:24, padraic stack  wrote:

> Hi folks,
>
> I thought list subscribers might be interested in this :
>
> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13403378
>

Thanks for sharing

I find the comments section of HN increasingly troll infested and hard to
get much insightful info from

Regarding the original article, he talks about the services that come with
the phone, as a mixed blessing.  Some degree of truth to that.

I own both an ubuntu phone and an android phone.  However, I dislike google
services with a passion, it's, for me, the worst thing about the android
phone, which I mainly use for games.  Google play is exactly the reason I
would NOT want such a device in the long term.

For me, me any alternative at all is a huge plus and the reason to switch.
Having watched the steady progress of ubuntu phone, ive been impressed so
far, and excited about the maturation.

KUTGW!


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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] What's the plan for Ubuntu Phone in 2017?

[Melvin Carvalho]

On 15 December 2016 at 16:38, advocatux  wrote:

> Dear Ubuntu Developers & Supporters, first of all thank you for your work.
> Also Happy Holidays, and Happy New Year.
>
> I do think this is the perfect time to talk about Ubuntu Phone (UP) and
> its next future.
>
> Mark Suttleworth said in May UP is not in the main focus, and that his
> daily phone is not UP [0], but I don't interpreted it as far as Bryan
> Lunduke (Social Media Marketing Manager of SUSE) does, when talking about
> his 2016 predictions [1]:
>
> "(Prediction for 2016) Canonical will pull away from phones.
>
> Canonical/Ubuntu pulling away from the phone market? This is a hard one to
> measure.
>
> Wait. No, it’s not.
>
> The last press release from Canonical that was phone-related was back in
> April. And the main press page for Canonical doesn’t list a single thing
> about phones. The last several announcements from Canonical have been very
> enterprise-centric. Even in the lead up to the holiday shopping season, not
> a peep about phones.
>
> Nailed it. Canonical pulled away from phones during 2016 in order to focus
> on enterprise functionality."
>
>
> Personally, I simply do think is just a question of time, and I have great
> faith in the UP project.
>
> So Dear Devs, what's the plan for 2017? How can we help to speed up Ubuntu
> Phone development? What can we do to get UP to play in the "First Division"?
>

Nice question :)

Was thinking about his yesterday.  Im still super optimistic about Ubuntu
Phone, simply because, there's nothing else like it out there.

I expect the challenges of creating a phone without multi billion dollar
budgets is enormous, but what has been achieved to date is amazing.

Regarding "first division" I dont think ANY phone right now is in the first
division.  But UP will offer features that will be simply impossible
elsewhere.

My thoughts around this are that we are in a pattern of bug fixing and
moving towards convergence.  When those two things are done, there will be
new carriers.

Happy holidays, keep up the good work, and I hope to contribute more in
2017!

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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Canonical branded phone?

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On 7 September 2016 at 20:47, Bob Summerwill  wrote:

> >> Are OEMs not queuing up to ship devices running Touch?
>
> I suspect that the answer to that is "no".
>
> If, as seems likely, both BQ and Meizu have no immediate plans to ship
> further Ubuntu Touch devices then that likely means that it is not
> economically beneficial to them to do so.   That certainly isn't an
> appealing market for other OEMs to join.Canonical would likely be
> pouring their money down the drain with such a device.
>
> Mozilla went through a very similar journey with Firefox OS, though with
> way more devices and way more traction.   They ended up giving up on the
> device side, and focusing on just community ports, and on application of
> the OS to new (non-mobile) markets.
>
> Mobile is a tough, tough market to compete with.Commodity Android
> devices are very, very compelling to the mass market.Mobile Linux is a
> really niche.   See the troubles Jolla have experienced too. Even
> Samsung are struggling to make any kind of impact with Tizen - though that
> likely has more to do with their own internal politics than any lack of
> resourcing or ability to sell large volumes.
>
> My personal feeling is that mobile is now "mature", and uninteresting,
> like the PC market.   Who really cares if you have an ASUS or an Acer or a
> HP or whatever.They have razor-thin markets and little differentiation.
>I think that is where mobile is getting to be, with Android as the
> Windows, and iOS as the Mac.So iOS is premium and profitable, "because
> Apple", but Android is the de-facto standard, commodity and unprofitable.
>   That is a really unappealing place to try to build a third platform.
>
> Android has utterly skewed manufacturing too, to my understanding, so that
> if you want to get a SoC now, you are going to get Android bootloaders and
> drivers on it.   As blobs.   And you're just going to have to suck that up.
>Want X11 drivers?   No way.
>
> Tizen is the only mobile Linux which hasn't just made the pragmatic choice
> of avoiding the issue by using Hybris.   For everybody else, Android has
> become the de-facto HAL :-)
>
> So yeah... I have an MX5 Pro as my daily driver and love it.   MX4 before
> that.But I don't have much hope of any future Ubuntu Touch mobile
> devices.I think we're likely walking dead, but just haven't stopped
> walking yet.
>
> So maybe Jolla and Tizen are the "last men standing" in this space?For
> mobile profile, at least.Tablets are a different story.   Ditto IoT and
> Ubuntu Snappy Core.
>

Very nice thread.  Android phones to my mind are quite limited.

I think ubuntu phone needs to capture people's imaginations by giving
examples of what this phone can (at least potentially) do, that other
phones cannot.

Ubuntu phones are not only about convergence, but of course, I love that
features.  They are about protecting privacy, which research shows that
between 1 in 3 and 1 in 4 people really want.  Another killer feature is
the ability to run all those amazing things you run on ubuntu right there
on the phone, not sandboxed rather limited apps.  The final area where I
can see ubuntu phone getting ahead of android is by having a decent browser
which android phones seem very limited by.

Id buy a canonical branded phone, but maybe it's a bit early, prices of
hardware are shooting down and the UX of the ubuntu phone is improving each
month.


>
> On Wed, Sep 7, 2016 at 10:49 AM, mark  wrote:
>
>> +1
>>
>> The same thought had crossed my mind. Touch seems to be reaching the
>> point of maturity where something of the Edge's specs might come to
>> fruition. It would be a winner, imho.
>>
>> Are OEMs not queuing up to ship devices running Touch?
>>
>> m
>>
>> On 07/09/16 14:32, Art wrote:
>>
>> Question...
>>
>> I read all the comments, and I am now curious.
>>
>> What is to stop Canonical from releasing their own branded phones right
>> now?? Just because the current 'offering' isn't Canonical branded, Is there
>> anything that prevents them from selling a Canonical branded phone later
>> on??
>>
>> After all, now we know that a linux based phone actually works, what is
>> to stop Canonical (or even myself) from seeking out an independent phone
>> OEM, buying them in bulk and rebranding them, complete with the linux
>> software already installed?
>>
>> Great list all, I hope to see the linux phone succeed! It's about time we
>> take back control of our own phones and block all the 'features' that rob
>> us of our privacy!!
>>
>> Art
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 09/05/2016 10:49 AM, Krzysztof Tataradziński wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi
>>
>> Did anyone from Canonical considered to 'simply' develop phone themselves
>> alone, order it in factory and sell with Canonical brand?
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Spotify support in native Ubuntu Music app

[Melvin Carvalho]

On 15 June 2016 at 20:18, Alan Pope  wrote:

> Hi Krzysztof,
>
> On 15 June 2016 at 17:22, Krzysztof Tataradziński 
> wrote:
> > Hello,
> > some time ago I read here [1] that
> > " It's also interesting to note that Ubuntu devs are also working on
> > Spotify integration, but that might take a while."
> > Is that truth? Is there any site at launchpad.net or somewhere else
> > where we can track progress of this feature?
> >
> > [1]
> http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-phone-music-app-is-getting-more-features-spotify-support-a-possibility-494767.shtml
> >
>
> We built a prototype which was based on an older (now deprecated)
> Spotify API. We always intended Spotify to be just one of a number of
> services which could be supported in the app. The idea being that
> developers could contribute support for other music platforms which
> are popular to them or in their region - given not everyone can get
> Spotify (or Pandora, Soundcloud etc).
>
> Spotify is a bit of a trickier one than most, so that's on hold for
> the short term. Right now we're looking at other options including
> OwnCloud/NextCloud & local LAN music playback. If developers are
> interested in helping here, especially if there's some service you
> think we should integrate, which you can assist with, that would be
> awesome.
>

I am a developer interesting in helping.  I've been actively coding
prototypes in this area.  My main language is JavaScript, as I need to
leverage modules in node.  How can I learn more?


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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] A very open thank you.

[Melvin Carvalho]

On 14 June 2016 at 11:51, Felipe Salvador  wrote:

> owaqQHYU   GGGklm, 4b  n tue, jun 14, 2016 at 08:37:34am
> +0100, gareth france wrote:
> > i just wanted to say thanks to the facebook team for breaking the website
> > for me. where is the logic behind removing the ability to message people
> for
> > anyone who doesn't have an apple or android device? oh and the message
> > asking me to download the app is just pouring salt into the wound by the
> > way!
> >
> > --
>
> So a proprietary services provider doesn't share his services with FOSS
> community. Old story, I'm not surprised at all.
>
> On the other hand, I'm surprised that Ubuntu, as a part of FOSS community,
> doesn't endorse projects like Diaspora, GNU Social (but also XMPP and
> other open
> protocols/standars) and so on, with an official implementation.
>

The reason that the FOSS social web hasnt taken off is endorsement of
products that dont scale and you end up replacing one silo with another.

>
>
> There's a lot of opportunity in FOSS, trace your path in freedom Ubuntu,
> be the
> free (as in freedom) and open alternative.
>

The FOSS social web is a pretty terrible landscape, with 99% trying to
evangelize non interoperable solutions.

The real failure was not to listen to Tim Berners-Lee who explained how to
design the social web the same way as the original web.  Or simply swallow
your pride and clone facebook exactly, but allow cross domain
communication.  Essentially these projects have gone sideways for years,
and will continue to do so.  Hopefully a new breed will bring a solution
closer.

If Ubuntu endorsed something good it would make a difference.  But GNU
social and diaspora are not it.  In fact I did talk to mattl about building
the social tier of GNU social, but I just didnt have enough resource and so
the largely abandoned status.net was inherited.

Free software and ubuntu need a first class social experience.  I think the
way forward is more along the lines of everyone owning their own data on
their OS (phone, tablet, desktop, server) and then allowing those data
stores to start to communicate with each other.  Maybe if a revamped Ubuntu
One was added at some point in the future, and adopted, say, Solid.  There
would be real potential.  I hope to get time to build it, but probably
would need the next LTS cycle to make it mature enough to use.


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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] A very open thank you.

[Melvin Carvalho]

On 14 June 2016 at 10:10, Ivo Xavier  wrote:

> Don't loose faith, an app for messenger/facebook will come one day. The
> thing I'm afraid is that, on that day, facebook is no longer the
> 'dictator'. Now serious. It's really bad for non iOs and droid users beeing
> banned from the party. Also it's bad for Ubuntu, and Canonical should try
> to talk with Mark Zuckerberg. Apart from that, you could try to bring your
> contacts you talk the most for Telegram or even Hangouts, I bet they'll
> understand. If you use facebook for professional reasons, well... Good luck.
>

Yes I think an open source alternative will come one day.  I personally
have worked on an open source decentralized social network and chat app:

Here's some screenshots:
https://www.gitbook.com/book/melvincarvalho/solid-social/details

Which is based on Tim Berners-Lee's new decentralized platform, Solid :

https://github.com/solid/solid/

(PS it's awesome!) :)

It's just a lot of work for one person.  And the free software alternatives
out there dont really provide enough decentralization to offer the users
freedom.  I'll continue to work on this, and all my development is
primarily done with ubuntu desktop / phone / tablet as a target.  Im hoping
that this will start to be usable later this year.

What would be needed to deliver this kind of thing more easily to Ubuntu is
to enhance the "Public" folder a bit so that it can have access to the
web.  Then let 1000 apps bloom.

>
>
> Big hug :)
>
>
> Em terça-feira, 14 de Junho de 2016 08:37:34 WEST, Gareth France <
> gareth.fra...@gmail.com> escreveu:
>
>> I just wanted to say thanks to the Facebook team for breaking the website
>> for me. Where is the logic behind removing the ability to message people
>> for anyone who doesn't have an apple or android device? Oh and the message
>> asking me to download the app is just pouring salt into the wound by the
>> way!
>>
>>
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Telegram

[Melvin Carvalho]

On 21 July 2015 at 12:20, Oliver Grawert o...@ubuntu.com wrote:

 hi,
 Am Dienstag, den 21.07.2015, 20:09 +1000 schrieb Mitchell Reese:
  Hey folks, I keep getting a white screen when I open the telegram app -
  very odd. Have tried deleting telegrams cache, local folder, config
 files,
  and finally deleting the app from my custom folder and reinstalling it
 from
  the store. On bq aquarius, rc-proposed. Any idea how to fix this? Thanks.

 there should be a new telegram app landing soon, the rc-proposed channel
 dropped a dependency that the app shouldnt have used so telegram is
 broken for all rc-proposed users currently (started right after the OTA
 imae was branched off, so users of stable are not affected)


Thanks for the updates on this.  I hope this is not too far off topic.

In terms of apps for human beings I think telegram is one of the few apps
that really is both free software (at least the client) and a first class
user experience.

There is talk about the server side becoming open source.  I would love to
see a company we trust, like canonical, one day running such a node.  I
believe mark uses it, so I'm really encouraged.

Some more background reading:

http://www.alexrad.me/discourse/a-264-attack-on-telegram
-and-why-a-super-villain-doesnt-need-it-to-read-your-telegram-chats.html

https://security.stackexchange.com/questions/49782/is-telegram-secure

https://github.com/DrKLO/Telegram/issues/721





 ciao
 oli


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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] My top 5 list to have an usable Ubuntu OS on the phone

[Melvin Carvalho]

On 29 October 2013 18:34, Martin Fasani martinfas...@gmail.com wrote:


1. *A fully working Keyboard
*I even don't care too much at predictive right now. A keyboard that
is fast, elegant, usable. No need to repair bugs on this one, it simply
does not make it like this. It's not a good design for a phone. *

*
2. *A screen tapping that is responsive*
This is the worst usability point I see on this OS. It takes sometimes
up to two seconds to respond to a simple tap on the screen.

3. *A clock that works right after install *
One that gets the right time from the start, at least if you are
connected to internet. Here in Germany I always get an hour less and I have
to set it up in system preferences. The Alarm does not work and most people
I know use the phone as an alarm clock.

4. *A browser that works*
This one is quite important too. The current one works, but is way out
of a normal standard usability. Is not responsive, renders inefficiently,
maps flicker and most of the links that are javascript based simply don't
work.

5. *The whole navigation concept must be rethinked
*I don't dislike the left menu. But the whole navigation concept is
just not intuitive enough. It's hard to find the new apps. It's hard to get
the flip to the left thing to scroll in open Apps. And they are a lot of
incompetencies that just collapse, like keyboard with menu, flipping the
phone and getting a totally static keyboard that does not work. It's like
if the whole thing was not tested by real humans.
And I know that is fucking hard to make an OS for a phone. And I
respect all the hard work that has been put into this one.
But at this point I'm not at all convinced with it. Don't make a phone
for Linux experts, make a phone for normal people.


+1 on everything

The only caveat I'll say is that I found the navigation confusing only for
1-2 days, mainly because I had to unlearn using other devices that I was
used to.  Now I find it much better, including the left menu, but it may
just be me.

I'm sure most of this is being worked on, but I'd also love to see a first
class feature rich browser, the default browser on android isnt great, and
it's a great way to differentiate, imho



1.

 I'm not at all an expert on usability and I've just used Android and
 Ubuntu before. I use it as my main OS for 6 years now. I design UX
 front-ends but I never studied that, I did only graphic design in the Uni.
 My comments are only based on my experience,
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