Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Official end off Ubuntu Phone - Please read this because this is sad....

[Kamouni Mohamed]

Really disappinted too and very angry to this deciwion, i bought meizu pro
5 and paid 150$ for clearance fees because i loved the idea of convergence!!

Le 8 avr. 2017 03:48, "Wayne Taylor"  a écrit :

> agree completely on revenue model.
> as I said 'we need a new canonical'
>
> On 2017-04-07 03:50 AM, Melvin Carvalho wrote:
> >
> >
> > On 7 April 2017 at 05:26, Jo-Erlend Schinstad
> > >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Will work on ubuntu phone continue?
> >
> >
> >
> > In a word: No.
> >
> >
> > Could it perhaps be rebooted as a community effort, and shared
> > vision?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yes, any Free Software product can be turned into a community
> > effort. But if the problem is a lack of a revenue model, then I
> > think adding a revenue model would be a smart move. So I would
> > rather imagine that the team who's been working on Unity 8 start a
> > business and sell subscriptions. I definitely wouldn't mind paying a
> > small fee each year for the continued support of my phone and
> desktop.
> >
> >
> >
> > Or crowd funding with an ubuntu phone foundation?
> >
> >
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Official end off Ubuntu Phone - Please read this because this is sad....

[miguel pires]

I really don't think crowd funding is going to work. Unfortunately to me,
one off a lot of pp that have participated in the crowd funding for Edge,
and have a E4.5, believing in the company (Canonical), i feel that this was
a sort of

betrayal.
Betrayal in the phone/convergence, in the Ubuntu with Unity (the
reason way a switch for Linux), etc...
Betrayal because if they ask for money, probably everyone will help,
but they choose to let pp abandoned so they (The pp u make this
decision) don't deserved my money, time and commitment.

Sorry, I'm really angry about this, not to the team/pp that make the
product, but to the pp that betrayal the trust of many!

Regards

Miguel

beta

2017-04-07 11:50 GMT+01:00 Melvin Carvalho :

>
>
> On 7 April 2017 at 05:26, Jo-Erlend Schinstad <
> joerlend.schins...@ubuntu.com> wrote:
>
>> > Will work on ubuntu phone continue?
>>
>>>
>>>
 In a word: No.

>>>
>>> Could it perhaps be rebooted as a community effort, and shared vision?
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Yes, any Free Software product can be turned into a community effort. But
>> if the problem is a lack of a revenue model, then I think adding a revenue
>> model would be a smart move. So I would rather imagine that the team who's
>> been working on Unity 8 start a business and sell subscriptions. I
>> definitely wouldn't mind paying a small fee each year for the continued
>> support of my phone and desktop.
>>
>>
>>
> Or crowd funding with an ubuntu phone foundation?
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Official end off Ubuntu Phone - Please read this because this is sad....

[Melvin Carvalho]

On 7 April 2017 at 05:26, Jo-Erlend Schinstad  wrote:

> > Will work on ubuntu phone continue?
>
>>
>>
>>> In a word: No.
>>>
>>
>> Could it perhaps be rebooted as a community effort, and shared vision?
>>
>>
>
>
> Yes, any Free Software product can be turned into a community effort. But
> if the problem is a lack of a revenue model, then I think adding a revenue
> model would be a smart move. So I would rather imagine that the team who's
> been working on Unity 8 start a business and sell subscriptions. I
> definitely wouldn't mind paying a small fee each year for the continued
> support of my phone and desktop.
>
>
>
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Official end off Ubuntu Phone - Please read this because this is sad....

[Jo-Erlend Schinstad]

> Will work on ubuntu phone continue?

>
>
>> In a word: No.
>>
>
> Could it perhaps be rebooted as a community effort, and shared vision?
>
>


Yes, any Free Software product can be turned into a community effort. But
if the problem is a lack of a revenue model, then I think adding a revenue
model would be a smart move. So I would rather imagine that the team who's
been working on Unity 8 start a business and sell subscriptions. I
definitely wouldn't mind paying a small fee each year for the continued
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Official end off Ubuntu Phone - Please read this because this is sad....

[Tony Scott]

Melvin - the answer to your question

https://plus.google.com/u/0/110699558853693437587/posts/7RHujp9u7oW

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On 6 April 2017 at 22:27, Melvin Carvalho  wrote:
>
>
> On 6 April 2017 at 21:49, Roberto Resoli  wrote:
>>
>> Il 06/04/2017 21:31, Melvin Carvalho ha scritto:
>> > On 5 April 2017 at 19:28, miguel pires 
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> https://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/04/05/growing-ubuntu-for-
>> >> cloud-and-iot-rather-than-phone-and-convergence/
>> >>
>> >> *This is from the post from Mark Shuttleworth*
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "I’m writing to let you know that we will end our investment in Unity8,
>> >> the phone and convergence shell. We will shift our default Ubuntu
>> >> desktop
>> >> back to GNOME for Ubuntu 18.04 LTS."
>> >>
>> > Didnt fully understand the implications here.
>> >
>> > Will work on ubuntu phone continue?
>>
>> In a word: No.
>
>
> Could it perhaps be rebooted as a community effort, and shared vision?
>
>>
>>
>> rob
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Official end off Ubuntu Phone - Please read this because this is sad....

[Melvin Carvalho]

On 6 April 2017 at 21:49, Roberto Resoli  wrote:

> Il 06/04/2017 21:31, Melvin Carvalho ha scritto:
> > On 5 April 2017 at 19:28, miguel pires 
> wrote:
> >
> >> https://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/04/05/growing-ubuntu-for-
> >> cloud-and-iot-rather-than-phone-and-convergence/
> >>
> >> *This is from the post from Mark Shuttleworth*
> >>
> >>
> >> "I’m writing to let you know that we will end our investment in Unity8,
> >> the phone and convergence shell. We will shift our default Ubuntu
> desktop
> >> back to GNOME for Ubuntu 18.04 LTS."
> >>
> > Didnt fully understand the implications here.
> >
> > Will work on ubuntu phone continue?
>
> In a word: No.
>

Could it perhaps be rebooted as a community effort, and shared vision?

>
>
> rob
>
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Official end off Ubuntu Phone - Please read this because this is sad....

[Tony Scott]

https://plus.google.com/u/0/110699558853693437587/posts/7RHujp9u7oW

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On 6 April 2017 at 20:49, Roberto Resoli  wrote:
> Il 06/04/2017 21:31, Melvin Carvalho ha scritto:
>> On 5 April 2017 at 19:28, miguel pires  wrote:
>>
>>> https://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/04/05/growing-ubuntu-for-
>>> cloud-and-iot-rather-than-phone-and-convergence/
>>>
>>> *This is from the post from Mark Shuttleworth*
>>>
>>>
>>> "I’m writing to let you know that we will end our investment in Unity8,
>>> the phone and convergence shell. We will shift our default Ubuntu desktop
>>> back to GNOME for Ubuntu 18.04 LTS."
>>>
>> Didnt fully understand the implications here.
>>
>> Will work on ubuntu phone continue?
>
> In a word: No.
>
> rob
>
>
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Official end off Ubuntu Phone - Please read this because this is sad....

[Roberto Resoli]

Il 06/04/2017 21:31, Melvin Carvalho ha scritto:
> On 5 April 2017 at 19:28, miguel pires  wrote:
> 
>> https://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/04/05/growing-ubuntu-for-
>> cloud-and-iot-rather-than-phone-and-convergence/
>>
>> *This is from the post from Mark Shuttleworth*
>>
>>
>> "I’m writing to let you know that we will end our investment in Unity8,
>> the phone and convergence shell. We will shift our default Ubuntu desktop
>> back to GNOME for Ubuntu 18.04 LTS."
>>
> Didnt fully understand the implications here.
> 
> Will work on ubuntu phone continue?

In a word: No.

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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Official end off Ubuntu Phone - Please read this because this is sad....

[Melvin Carvalho]

On 5 April 2017 at 19:28, miguel pires  wrote:

> https://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/04/05/growing-ubuntu-for-
> cloud-and-iot-rather-than-phone-and-convergence/
>
> *This is from the post from Mark Shuttleworth*
>
>
> "I’m writing to let you know that we will end our investment in Unity8,
> the phone and convergence shell. We will shift our default Ubuntu desktop
> back to GNOME for Ubuntu 18.04 LTS."
>

Didnt fully understand the implications here.

Will work on ubuntu phone continue?


>
> WTF
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Official end off Ubuntu Phone - Please read this because this is sad....

[Andrew Penkrat]

I really liked the idea of convergence. Ubuntu Phone also served me as a
good fallback alternative for Sailfish OS. Now there's no choice for mobile
and no convergent Linux at all which makes me sad.

Some info for those interested in switching to Sailfish now:

   - Small list of officially supported devices at https://jolla.com/
   - Sailfish for Sony Xperia devices (starting with Xperia X) to become
   available in June
   - If you're ready to devote your time to porting Sailfish to your phone,
   there's a porting guide here https://sailfishos.org/develop/hadk/ and
   you're likely to find help at #sailfishos-porters IRC channel on freenode

Best regards,
Andrew

On Wed, 5 Apr 2017 at 21:32 Eran Benjamin  wrote:

>
> When he says ditching unity, does he also mean the unity desktop?
> I actually like the unity desktop, there are many distros with good
> gnome desktops, I use ubuntu as desktop mainly because unity has matured
> nicely.
>
> Now, if only someone found a way to install sailfish on those reasonably
> priced BQ's or Wileyfoxs...
> But I guess I will have to find their mailing list now.
>
> Thanks to Shuttleworth and the Canonical teams for the attempt.
>
>
>
> On 05-04-17 19:48, Nicolas Delvaux wrote:
> > This is especially confusing since just today there was another blog
> > post explaining what is being worked on for Ubuntu 18.04 regarding X
> > apps in a Unity 8/Mir world.
> > http://gould.cx/ted/blog/2017/04/05/X11-apps-on-Ubuntu-Personal/
> >
> > So even Canonical employees were not informed of this?
> >
> > Mark's post lacks details though. What will happen of Unity 7? Mir?
> > And how switching back to Gnome by default reflects on the stated will
> > to invest on the desktop? Because it may also be interpreted as "ditch
> > the current default Ubuntu and replace it by Ubuntu Gnome".
> >
> > I hope some clarifications will come.
> >
> >
> > Le 05/04/2017 à 19:28, miguel pires a écrit :
> >>
> https://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/04/05/growing-ubuntu-for-cloud-and-iot-rather-than-phone-and-convergence/
> >>
> >> /This is from the post from Mark Shuttleworth/
> >>
> >>
> >> "I’m writing to let you know that we will end our investment in Unity8,
> >> the phone and convergence shell. We will shift our default Ubuntu
> >> desktop back to GNOME for Ubuntu 18.04 LTS."
> >>
> >> WTF
> >
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Official end off Ubuntu Phone - Please read this because this is sad....

[NeoTheThird]

Me too. It looks good and behaves exactly the way i need it to. Sad to 
see it go. I never got why so many people hated it.



On 05.04.2017 21:16, ajalkane wrote:
Actually, I have to add that not withstanding Ubuntu Phone, I am 
personally affected because I actually like Unity.


On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 10:15 PM, ajalkane > wrote:


I'm sad because I always was huge fan of Ubuntu Phone's dedication
to open source. I'm not surprised because they were (in my opinion
unnecessarily) doing too much and going too much against the grain
considering where rest of Linux ecosystem was headed, and it was
clear that this kind of approach would cost quite much in monetary
sense and couldn't go on.. I'm personally unaffected, because the
choices Ubuntu Touch made were for me personally untenable, and I
always considered SailfishOS a better fit for my usage patterns
and for my ideology of how a phone OS should behave.

So where to go next, I personally recommend checking out
SailfishOS. They will have a release during summer for Sony Xperia
X, keep an eye out for that.


On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 9:50 PM, Vincas Dargis > wrote:



2017.04.05 20:56, Jamie Gunn rašė:

Sad news, so where do we go now?


Could it be https://plasma-mobile.org/ ?


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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Official end off Ubuntu Phone - Please read this because this is sad....

[ajalkane]

Actually, I have to add that not withstanding Ubuntu Phone, I am personally
affected because I actually like Unity.

On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 10:15 PM, ajalkane  wrote:

> I'm sad because I always was huge fan of Ubuntu Phone's dedication to open
> source. I'm not surprised because they were (in my opinion unnecessarily)
> doing too much and going too much against the grain considering where rest
> of Linux ecosystem was headed, and it was clear that this kind of approach
> would cost quite much in monetary sense and couldn't go on.. I'm personally
> unaffected, because the choices Ubuntu Touch made were for me personally
> untenable, and I always considered SailfishOS a better fit for my usage
> patterns and for my ideology of how a phone OS should behave.
>
> So where to go next, I personally recommend checking out SailfishOS. They
> will have a release during summer for Sony Xperia X, keep an eye out for
> that.
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 9:50 PM, Vincas Dargis  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> 2017.04.05 20:56, Jamie Gunn rašė:
>>
>>> Sad news, so where do we go now?
>>>
>>
>> Could it be https://plasma-mobile.org/ ?
>>
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Official end off Ubuntu Phone - Please read this because this is sad....

[ajalkane]

I'm sad because I always was huge fan of Ubuntu Phone's dedication to open
source. I'm not surprised because they were (in my opinion unnecessarily)
doing too much and going too much against the grain considering where rest
of Linux ecosystem was headed, and it was clear that this kind of approach
would cost quite much in monetary sense and couldn't go on.. I'm personally
unaffected, because the choices Ubuntu Touch made were for me personally
untenable, and I always considered SailfishOS a better fit for my usage
patterns and for my ideology of how a phone OS should behave.

So where to go next, I personally recommend checking out SailfishOS. They
will have a release during summer for Sony Xperia X, keep an eye out for
that.


On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 9:50 PM, Vincas Dargis  wrote:

>
>
> 2017.04.05 20:56, Jamie Gunn rašė:
>
>> Sad news, so where do we go now?
>>
>
> Could it be https://plasma-mobile.org/ ?
>
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Official end off Ubuntu Phone - Please read this because this is sad....

[Vincas Dargis]

2017.04.05 20:56, Jamie Gunn rašė:

Sad news, so where do we go now?


Could it be https://plasma-mobile.org/ ?

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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Official end off Ubuntu Phone - Please read this because this is sad....

[Eran Benjamin]

When he says ditching unity, does he also mean the unity desktop?
I actually like the unity desktop, there are many distros with good 
gnome desktops, I use ubuntu as desktop mainly because unity has matured 
nicely.


Now, if only someone found a way to install sailfish on those reasonably 
priced BQ's or Wileyfoxs...

But I guess I will have to find their mailing list now.

Thanks to Shuttleworth and the Canonical teams for the attempt.



On 05-04-17 19:48, Nicolas Delvaux wrote:

This is especially confusing since just today there was another blog
post explaining what is being worked on for Ubuntu 18.04 regarding X
apps in a Unity 8/Mir world.
http://gould.cx/ted/blog/2017/04/05/X11-apps-on-Ubuntu-Personal/

So even Canonical employees were not informed of this?

Mark's post lacks details though. What will happen of Unity 7? Mir?
And how switching back to Gnome by default reflects on the stated will
to invest on the desktop? Because it may also be interpreted as "ditch
the current default Ubuntu and replace it by Ubuntu Gnome".

I hope some clarifications will come.


Le 05/04/2017 à 19:28, miguel pires a écrit :

https://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/04/05/growing-ubuntu-for-cloud-and-iot-rather-than-phone-and-convergence/

/This is from the post from Mark Shuttleworth/


"I’m writing to let you know that we will end our investment in Unity8,
the phone and convergence shell. We will shift our default Ubuntu
desktop back to GNOME for Ubuntu 18.04 LTS."

WTF





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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Official end off Ubuntu Phone - Please read this because this is sad....

[Paul Tait]

Can't say I am surprised. I think we all knew this was coming, we were just 
in denial. With the end of support for the phones and no new devices 
planned it was inevitable. I think we were hoping that phones would be able 
to continue in some form because of Unity8 but this puts pay to that too. 

I guess we just hoped that this would be the one project that Canonical 
actually sticks with and sees to fruition despite their track record. 

You have to wonder about Mark. He has great vision, but just lacks the 
gumption to see things through, or further than his initial idea. 

I think this may be the final nail in the coffin of Ubuntu for me. I'm 
tired of the let downs. Time to move on. 

Paul. 

On Wednesday, 5 April 2017 18:28:03 BST, miguel pires wrote:
> https://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/04/05/growing-ubuntu-for-cloud-and-iot-rather-than-phone-and-convergence/
> 
> *This is from the post from Mark Shuttleworth*
> 
> 
> "I’m writing to let you know that we will end our investment in Unity8, the
> phone and convergence shell. We will shift our default Ubuntu desktop back
> to GNOME for Ubuntu 18.04 LTS."
> 
> WTF
>


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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Official end off Ubuntu Phone - Please read this because this is sad....

[Martin Windisch]

SailfishOS? - at least for Nexus 4+5 and soon for Xperia devices … (starting 
with the X)

> Absender:Jamie Gunn
> An:Mathijs Veen
> Cc:Ubuntu Touch
> Betreff:[Ubuntu-phone] Official end off Ubuntu Phone - Please read this 
> because this is sad
> Datum:5. April 2017 um 18:56:08 GMT+1
>  
>  
> Sad news, so where do we go now?
>  
>  
> On 5 Apr 2017 18:41, "Mathijs 
> Veen"wrote:
> > utterly gutted
> >  
> > On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 7:28 PM, miguel 
> > pireswrote:
> > > https://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/04/05/growing-ubuntu-for-cloud-and-iot-rather-than-phone-and-convergence/
> > >  
> > > This is from the post from Mark Shuttleworth
> > >  
> > > "I’m writing to let you know that we will end our investment in Unity8, 
> > > the phone and convergence shell. We will shift our default Ubuntu desktop 
> > > back to GNOME for Ubuntu 18.04 LTS."
> > >  
> > > WTF
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Official end off Ubuntu Phone - Please read this because this is sad....

[Jamie Gunn]

Sad news, so where do we go now?


On 5 Apr 2017 18:41, "Mathijs Veen"  wrote:

utterly gutted

On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 7:28 PM, miguel pires 
wrote:

> https://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/04/05/growing-ubuntu-for-cl
> oud-and-iot-rather-than-phone-and-convergence/
>
> *This is from the post from Mark Shuttleworth*
>
>
> "I’m writing to let you know that we will end our investment in Unity8,
> the phone and convergence shell. We will shift our default Ubuntu desktop
> back to GNOME for Ubuntu 18.04 LTS."
>
> WTF
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Official end off Ubuntu Phone - Please read this because this is sad....

[Yasmany Cubela Medina]

This looks like a late aprils fools i really dont get a thing of that post

On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 1:49 PM Nicolas Delvaux 
wrote:

> This is especially confusing since just today there was another blog
> post explaining what is being worked on for Ubuntu 18.04 regarding X
> apps in a Unity 8/Mir world.
> http://gould.cx/ted/blog/2017/04/05/X11-apps-on-Ubuntu-Personal/
>
> So even Canonical employees were not informed of this?
>
> Mark's post lacks details though. What will happen of Unity 7? Mir?
> And how switching back to Gnome by default reflects on the stated will
> to invest on the desktop? Because it may also be interpreted as "ditch
> the current default Ubuntu and replace it by Ubuntu Gnome".
>
> I hope some clarifications will come.
>
>
> Le 05/04/2017 à 19:28, miguel pires a écrit :
> >
> https://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/04/05/growing-ubuntu-for-cloud-and-iot-rather-than-phone-and-convergence/
> >
> > /This is from the post from Mark Shuttleworth/
> >
> >
> > "I’m writing to let you know that we will end our investment in Unity8,
> > the phone and convergence shell. We will shift our default Ubuntu
> > desktop back to GNOME for Ubuntu 18.04 LTS."
> >
> > WTF
>
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Official end off Ubuntu Phone - Please read this because this is sad....

[Nicolas Delvaux]

This is especially confusing since just today there was another blog
post explaining what is being worked on for Ubuntu 18.04 regarding X
apps in a Unity 8/Mir world.
http://gould.cx/ted/blog/2017/04/05/X11-apps-on-Ubuntu-Personal/

So even Canonical employees were not informed of this?

Mark's post lacks details though. What will happen of Unity 7? Mir?
And how switching back to Gnome by default reflects on the stated will
to invest on the desktop? Because it may also be interpreted as "ditch
the current default Ubuntu and replace it by Ubuntu Gnome".

I hope some clarifications will come.


Le 05/04/2017 à 19:28, miguel pires a écrit :
> https://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/04/05/growing-ubuntu-for-cloud-and-iot-rather-than-phone-and-convergence/
> 
> /This is from the post from Mark Shuttleworth/
> 
> 
> "I’m writing to let you know that we will end our investment in Unity8,
> the phone and convergence shell. We will shift our default Ubuntu
> desktop back to GNOME for Ubuntu 18.04 LTS."
> 
> WTF


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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Official end off Ubuntu Phone - Please read this because this is sad....

[Mathijs Veen]

utterly gutted

On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 7:28 PM, miguel pires 
wrote:

> https://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/04/05/growing-ubuntu-for-
> cloud-and-iot-rather-than-phone-and-convergence/
>
> *This is from the post from Mark Shuttleworth*
>
>
> "I’m writing to let you know that we will end our investment in Unity8,
> the phone and convergence shell. We will shift our default Ubuntu desktop
> back to GNOME for Ubuntu 18.04 LTS."
>
> WTF
>
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