Re: [Ubuntu-phone] What's the plan for Ubuntu Phone in 2017?

[Mike Sheldon]

Hi Peter,

 I believe that a system similar to what you're asking for is already
under development in the form of the messaging framework:

https://code.launchpad.net/messaging-framework

 I think there are similar plans for VoIP as well. Pretty much
everyone's on holiday now but if you give me (Elleo) a ping on IRC in
the new year I can try to put you in touch with the folks working on so
you can share your thoughts on it with them.

Cheers,
 Mike

On Sat, 2016-12-24 at 09:05 +0100, Peter Bittner wrote:
> I think it takes more than "fixing bugs" to make a successful phone
> platform. I've proposed a solution to a problem that a lot of people
> face, presumably, today in a world of hectic chatting and information
> exchange [1]. Sadly, not a single comment from a single Canonical
> employee on it, even though it has a few votes, so there is general
> interest.
> 
> [1] https://bugs.launchpad.net/qtubuntu/+bug/1627747
> 
> It feels like Canonical has gone back to do what they love to do:
> Make
> good user experience for an operating system. A system that boots up
> faster than any Linux before and has a desktop manager that feels
> good, because it has elements borrowed from OS X and other nice
> goodies. This is just not the same as "we do something that no-one
> has
> done before". It's probably a people problem: Canonical can do things
> well only where they have proven they're good at for years.
> 
> The problem I see with "the community should do the rest" is that
> coming up with such a central decision of building an infrastructure
> for communication exchange (as in my proposal) is a big and risky
> endeavor: All the effort you put in would be for nothing with a
> Canonical saying "we're not interested" or a Canonical not responding
> at all. Felipe De La Puente has written in another thread [2] that
> communication plugins should build on Telepathy. But clearly,
> Canonical should take the lead, make implementing plugins
> super-straightforward and promote it, so larger companies listen up.
> Make it a hype. Just like they do for Snappy.
> 
> [2] https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg22870.html
> 
> I really want Ubuntu Touch, or Personal - or whatever.
> 
> I used to show off my bq Aquaris E5 to everyone, but I figured it was
> limiting me too much in getting my daily endeavors done. Just a Gmail
> web app and and finally a working calendar is just not enough. If
> there were "convergence" in the sense of "my browser shares its
> settings, bookmarks, passwords, ... with my desktop" and an easy,
> built-in way of setting up file synchronization with my desktop
> machine that would be something to help me feel being helped in
> getting my business done.
> 
> Now I have an ugly, pretty slow Android system on my bq Anquaris E5
> that does all the things that help me feel connected (I need to use
> Slack, not Telegram, I have to use that horribly distracting WhatsApp
> even though I hate it as hell, and it's friggin' helpful to use a
> working video telephony on my phone, damn!, with whatever platform -
> Hangouts, Viber, Skype, Slack, you name it). The Android UI is
> horrible, ugly, and quite slow. And apps are crap, many of them
> bloated with ads. It makes my bq feel more a "plastic device" than it
> was with Ubuntu. I really really do NOT want Ubuntu to be such a
> platform, with a shedload of apps you constantly have to switch from
> and to, back and forth. Apps are stupid, get over it.
> 
> I'm checking regularly on the Ubuntu Phone mailing list if there is
> some progress that makes me confident to make the switch back, but
> nothing. Not even a new phone on the horizon, no vision any more, all
> faded away. Just advertising for "please repackage your webapps with
> Snappy". Oh great, I feel so empowered (yawn). Canonical really makes
> me sad.
> 
> Peter
> 
> 
> 2016-11-19 14:09 GMT+01:00 Felipe De La Puente  >:
> > 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I would say that the currently expected way to achieve this is by
> > implementing telepathy plugins, and may be in the future the
> > platform could
> > be opened to be user configurable with respect of which plugins it
> > uses for
> > different types of communication (text, voice, video). Of course
> > this allows
> > for multiple alternatives for each communication type, setting
> > priorities
> > and so on.
> > 
> > Right now, the standard telephony voice data flows through the
> > ofono plugin
> > of telepathy.
> 
> 2016-12-16 6:50 GMT+01:00 mark :
> > 
> > Hi
> > 
> > All the narrative surrounding convergence has been about one code
> > for all
> > devices: so developments in one area supposedly improves the
> > experience in
> > all areas. I realize that convergence hasn't quite happened yet,
> > and that so
> > far, seemingly Touch has been doing its own thing, but surely,
> > tantalizingly, we're on the cusp of it with core and snaps: i.e.
> > there's
> > going to be a new protocol for the phone (desktop 

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] What's the plan for Ubuntu Phone in 2017?

[Marcos Alonso]

Hi to all.

In line with Peter, it would be extremely encouraging to heard some comment
from Ubuntu giving us visibility of the coming mimesstones.

If there is some secretism due to bussines protection, just some positive
message saying 'no worry, all under control' would be enough...

It feels to me as if the project were stuck. Eventogh I hope is well
progressing in the background.

Good Christmas holidyas to everybody!

Regards.
Marcos



El sábado, 24 de diciembre de 2016, Peter Bittner 
escribió:
> I think it takes more than "fixing bugs" to make a successful phone
> platform. I've proposed a solution to a problem that a lot of people
> face, presumably, today in a world of hectic chatting and information
> exchange [1]. Sadly, not a single comment from a single Canonical
> employee on it, even though it has a few votes, so there is general
> interest.
>
> [1] https://bugs.launchpad.net/qtubuntu/+bug/1627747
>
> It feels like Canonical has gone back to do what they love to do: Make
> good user experience for an operating system. A system that boots up
> faster than any Linux before and has a desktop manager that feels
> good, because it has elements borrowed from OS X and other nice
> goodies. This is just not the same as "we do something that no-one has
> done before". It's probably a people problem: Canonical can do things
> well only where they have proven they're good at for years.
>
> The problem I see with "the community should do the rest" is that
> coming up with such a central decision of building an infrastructure
> for communication exchange (as in my proposal) is a big and risky
> endeavor: All the effort you put in would be for nothing with a
> Canonical saying "we're not interested" or a Canonical not responding
> at all. Felipe De La Puente has written in another thread [2] that
> communication plugins should build on Telepathy. But clearly,
> Canonical should take the lead, make implementing plugins
> super-straightforward and promote it, so larger companies listen up.
> Make it a hype. Just like they do for Snappy.
>
> [2] https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg22870.html
>
> I really want Ubuntu Touch, or Personal - or whatever.
>
> I used to show off my bq Aquaris E5 to everyone, but I figured it was
> limiting me too much in getting my daily endeavors done. Just a Gmail
> web app and and finally a working calendar is just not enough. If
> there were "convergence" in the sense of "my browser shares its
> settings, bookmarks, passwords, ... with my desktop" and an easy,
> built-in way of setting up file synchronization with my desktop
> machine that would be something to help me feel being helped in
> getting my business done.
>
> Now I have an ugly, pretty slow Android system on my bq Anquaris E5
> that does all the things that help me feel connected (I need to use
> Slack, not Telegram, I have to use that horribly distracting WhatsApp
> even though I hate it as hell, and it's friggin' helpful to use a
> working video telephony on my phone, damn!, with whatever platform -
> Hangouts, Viber, Skype, Slack, you name it). The Android UI is
> horrible, ugly, and quite slow. And apps are crap, many of them
> bloated with ads. It makes my bq feel more a "plastic device" than it
> was with Ubuntu. I really really do NOT want Ubuntu to be such a
> platform, with a shedload of apps you constantly have to switch from
> and to, back and forth. Apps are stupid, get over it.
>
> I'm checking regularly on the Ubuntu Phone mailing list if there is
> some progress that makes me confident to make the switch back, but
> nothing. Not even a new phone on the horizon, no vision any more, all
> faded away. Just advertising for "please repackage your webapps with
> Snappy". Oh great, I feel so empowered (yawn). Canonical really makes
> me sad.
>
> Peter
>
>
> 2016-11-19 14:09 GMT+01:00 Felipe De La Puente :
>> Hi,
>>
>> I would say that the currently expected way to achieve this is by
>> implementing telepathy plugins, and may be in the future the platform
could
>> be opened to be user configurable with respect of which plugins it uses
for
>> different types of communication (text, voice, video). Of course this
allows
>> for multiple alternatives for each communication type, setting priorities
>> and so on.
>>
>> Right now, the standard telephony voice data flows through the ofono
plugin
>> of telepathy.
>
>
> 2016-12-16 6:50 GMT+01:00 mark :
>> Hi
>>
>> All the narrative surrounding convergence has been about one code for all
>> devices: so developments in one area supposedly improves the experience
in
>> all areas. I realize that convergence hasn't quite happened yet, and
that so
>> far, seemingly Touch has been doing its own thing, but surely,
>> tantalizingly, we're on the cusp of it with core and snaps: i.e. there's
>> going to be a new protocol for the phone (desktop etc) soon. But more
than
>> that: so long as Canonical continue 

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] What's the plan for Ubuntu Phone in 2017?

[Peter Bittner]

I think it takes more than "fixing bugs" to make a successful phone
platform. I've proposed a solution to a problem that a lot of people
face, presumably, today in a world of hectic chatting and information
exchange [1]. Sadly, not a single comment from a single Canonical
employee on it, even though it has a few votes, so there is general
interest.

[1] https://bugs.launchpad.net/qtubuntu/+bug/1627747

It feels like Canonical has gone back to do what they love to do: Make
good user experience for an operating system. A system that boots up
faster than any Linux before and has a desktop manager that feels
good, because it has elements borrowed from OS X and other nice
goodies. This is just not the same as "we do something that no-one has
done before". It's probably a people problem: Canonical can do things
well only where they have proven they're good at for years.

The problem I see with "the community should do the rest" is that
coming up with such a central decision of building an infrastructure
for communication exchange (as in my proposal) is a big and risky
endeavor: All the effort you put in would be for nothing with a
Canonical saying "we're not interested" or a Canonical not responding
at all. Felipe De La Puente has written in another thread [2] that
communication plugins should build on Telepathy. But clearly,
Canonical should take the lead, make implementing plugins
super-straightforward and promote it, so larger companies listen up.
Make it a hype. Just like they do for Snappy.

[2] https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg22870.html

I really want Ubuntu Touch, or Personal - or whatever.

I used to show off my bq Aquaris E5 to everyone, but I figured it was
limiting me too much in getting my daily endeavors done. Just a Gmail
web app and and finally a working calendar is just not enough. If
there were "convergence" in the sense of "my browser shares its
settings, bookmarks, passwords, ... with my desktop" and an easy,
built-in way of setting up file synchronization with my desktop
machine that would be something to help me feel being helped in
getting my business done.

Now I have an ugly, pretty slow Android system on my bq Anquaris E5
that does all the things that help me feel connected (I need to use
Slack, not Telegram, I have to use that horribly distracting WhatsApp
even though I hate it as hell, and it's friggin' helpful to use a
working video telephony on my phone, damn!, with whatever platform -
Hangouts, Viber, Skype, Slack, you name it). The Android UI is
horrible, ugly, and quite slow. And apps are crap, many of them
bloated with ads. It makes my bq feel more a "plastic device" than it
was with Ubuntu. I really really do NOT want Ubuntu to be such a
platform, with a shedload of apps you constantly have to switch from
and to, back and forth. Apps are stupid, get over it.

I'm checking regularly on the Ubuntu Phone mailing list if there is
some progress that makes me confident to make the switch back, but
nothing. Not even a new phone on the horizon, no vision any more, all
faded away. Just advertising for "please repackage your webapps with
Snappy". Oh great, I feel so empowered (yawn). Canonical really makes
me sad.

Peter


2016-11-19 14:09 GMT+01:00 Felipe De La Puente :
> Hi,
>
> I would say that the currently expected way to achieve this is by
> implementing telepathy plugins, and may be in the future the platform could
> be opened to be user configurable with respect of which plugins it uses for
> different types of communication (text, voice, video). Of course this allows
> for multiple alternatives for each communication type, setting priorities
> and so on.
>
> Right now, the standard telephony voice data flows through the ofono plugin
> of telepathy.


2016-12-16 6:50 GMT+01:00 mark :
> Hi
>
> All the narrative surrounding convergence has been about one code for all
> devices: so developments in one area supposedly improves the experience in
> all areas. I realize that convergence hasn't quite happened yet, and that so
> far, seemingly Touch has been doing its own thing, but surely,
> tantalizingly, we're on the cusp of it with core and snaps: i.e. there's
> going to be a new protocol for the phone (desktop etc) soon. But more than
> that: so long as Canonical continue with convergence, the phone (and
> everything else) will always be part of it.
>
> i.m.o. Bryan Lunduke is an agent provocoteur: all he wanted last Christmas
> was a truly Linux tablet, which he thought he'd never see. Well, that
> arrived literally a few weeks after his post in the form of the M10. :/
>
> f.w.i.w My predictions for Ubuntu phone in 2016: Core and Snaps. New devices
> from OEMs. Perhaps a more easily portable system. And maybe other flavours
> of UT.
>
>
> m
>
>
> On 15/12/16 12:38, advocatux wrote:
>
> Dear Ubuntu Developers & Supporters, first of all thank you for your work.
> Also Happy Holidays, and Happy New Year.
>
> I do think this is the 

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] What's the plan for Ubuntu Phone in 2017?

[Marcin Xc]

You asked me if was a developer. My teacher at school taught us how every 
programming task should start and end. These were something like 5steps. You 
laugh probably at the moment, cause it is only the beginner theory and then 
comes real life. That's also why the only thing that I remember from these 5 is 
that successful software development should start with planning the 
expectations and end with satisfying test results. That's why google that You 
wrote about is successful: they do not release not working alpha versions with 
the main update killing bluetooth (12.04) or... or look Yourself:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzfnrLCJOkQ=youtu.be


I'm a human being that do not badly need to have convergence in a >phone< that 
doesn't fulfill the >phone< conditions.Let me translate it this way:we build a 
car. A car should take You from point A to B relative efficiently. But then one 
day You say: "hey! I'd like to hear some music in my car and have air 
conditioning!". So You put there a radio and air conditioning. Somehow You 
forget that the power consumption of a radio is to big so You have not enough 
energy to turn on the light in the evening: You can drive only during the day, 
but heyyy! You've got the radio! The engine was to weak to power the air 
conditioning so when You turn it on, You can drive only 50 mph though at the 
beginning max speed was 100mph. Then some day You decide to umount the rear 
seat and put there a TV set. S cl!Before You add another function, 
check twice if the phone is still a working phone or in Ubuntu Phone case, if 
You want to proceed, double check that there is nothing to be done better with 
what You've got already.
Let's sum it up:1. I can check e-mail with my phone but I can't hear an 
incoming message.2. ...3. ...4. ... no I'm not gonna list here all the bugs.
But I can tell You how >I< would make this project successful.1. Planning: I'm 
about to release a >phone< not a car without wheels but with Facebook access. 
So step first: the phone/message/contacts/alarm clock functions have to work 
PERFECTLY!1a) ->especially in ubuntu case-> what is Your target audience? Is 
this gonna be a phone for geeks only or is my mother also ALLOWED to use it?
2. If You already have the phone You have Your basis: now You can spoil and 
"remove any functionalities/services/"libraries" "over the years" (Radics). You 
can spoil everything but NOT THE BASIS! People will be delighted to have a 
working >Ubuntu phone<. From this point You can go further:
3. You look at other devices that were already on the market. Community helps 
You to develop same functions as the other devices have to offer: music player, 
>!Bluetooth<, Facebook/Instagram access, apps, hot spot etc. etc.
If Your device work as a phone, You can try to sell it to the market just as a 
basic phone. Then proudly announce another big steps in development. What 
Canonical tends to do is giving empty promisses ("4K recording"?) and then 
disappointing. Nokia was successful cause they went the way I described giving 
no chance to competition from Ericsson, Sony, Siemens, Alcatel(lol), Panasonic, 
who heard then about Samsung SGH-250? Every 50'th person? But everyone knows 
what 3210 was until today, don't You?If I had a company and at first started to 
shout about convergence and then closed the project, I'd start to think about 
rebranding. "They are the ones who didn't make it". "They are the ones who 
promised us 4K recording". "They are the ones who promised us...". Now go back 
to point 1a and ask Yourself if all these promises are a good idea.

So all in all my friend, You can be the best developer and I can be the worst. 
What's the big difference if one of us goes the right way and the other one not 
the best way? It is not only about libraries.

Cheers
Marcin

  From: Radics Geza 
 To: Marcin Xc  
Cc: Ubuntu-phone 
 Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 11:08 AM
 Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-phone] What's the plan for Ubuntu Phone in 2017?
  
Hi, 

If sby say "hater" it is not about critisism, but about style.
Are you a developer? Actually I know the answer, because of your questions.
Sometimes, in order to introduce new things (use new libraries etc) you have to 
give up on functionality, which might come back over time (when resources spent 
there). It is not UT specific e.g. many functionalities removed from "cloud 
services" because they don't scale.
Do you think all windows update is without issue? Do you think google hasn't 
removed any functionalities/services over the years?
System like these are complex, not like a simple equation..

bests
g.


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Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-phone] What's the plan for Ubuntu Phone in 2017?
Local Time: December 16, 2016 5:48 PM
UTC Time: December 16, 2016 9:48 AM
From: gtride...@yahoo.com
To: tallien <3mzuffu...@snkmail.com>, Ubuntu-phone 

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] What's the plan for Ubuntu Phone in 2017?

[Wayne Taylor]

this link you shared... this Mr. Lunduke guy doens't even pronounced
ubuntu correctly... is he involved in the community?  He has a nice mic
but he says ubuntu wrong so I had to cut it off.  We are talking about
fixing 'little annoying details' so how about we all fix that one first
so we at least give the appearance to be working on the same project?

word.







On 2016-12-15 10:57 PM, NeoTheThird wrote:
> Let's be honest: The M10 is a really cool device. It features a lot of
> the stuff we were promised in the Ubuntu Edge campaign but did not see
> in Ubuntu Touch up to that point. But it still has some annoying bugs
> and the hardware just can't live up to the expections of having a tablet
> when you want it and a pc when you need it.
> 
> Btw, Mr. Lunduke got a review unit and made a video about it and he
> sounded pretty excited about the whole convergence idea:
> https://youtu.be/rFQFSxxyqwk
> 
> Cheers
> 
> On 16.12.2016 06:50, mark wrote:
>>
>> Hi
>>
>> All the narrative surrounding convergence has been about one code for
>> all devices: so developments in one area supposedly improves the
>> experience in all areas. I realize that convergence hasn't quite
>> happened yet, and that so far, seemingly Touch has been doing its own
>> thing, but surely, tantalizingly, we're on the cusp of it with core
>> and snaps: i.e. there's going to be a new protocol for the phone
>> (desktop etc) soon. But more than that: so long as Canonical continue
>> with convergence, the phone (and everything else) will always be part
>> of it.
>>
>> i.m.o. Bryan Lunduke is an agent provocoteur: all he wanted last
>> Christmas was a truly Linux tablet, which he thought he'd never see.
>> Well, that arrived literally a few weeks after his post in the form of
>> the M10. :/
>>
>> f.w.i.w My predictions for Ubuntu phone in 2016: Core and Snaps. New
>> devices from OEMs. Perhaps a more easily portable system. And maybe
>> other flavours of UT.
>>
>>
>> m
>>
>>
>> On 15/12/16 12:38, advocatux wrote:
>>> Dear Ubuntu Developers & Supporters, first of all thank you for your
>>> work. Also Happy Holidays, and Happy New Year.
>>>
>>> I do think this is the perfect time to talk about Ubuntu Phone (UP)
>>> and its next future.
>>>
>>> Mark Suttleworth said in May UP is not in the main focus, and that
>>> his daily phone is not UP [0], but I don't interpreted it as far as
>>> Bryan Lunduke (Social Media Marketing Manager of SUSE) does, when
>>> talking about his 2016 predictions [1]:
>>>
>>> "(Prediction for 2016) Canonical will pull away from phones.
>>>
>>> Canonical/Ubuntu pulling away from the phone market? This is a hard
>>> one to measure.
>>>
>>> Wait. No, it’s not.
>>>
>>> The last press release from Canonical that was phone-related was back
>>> in April. And the main press page for Canonical doesn’t list a single
>>> thing about phones. The last several announcements from Canonical
>>> have been very enterprise-centric. Even in the lead up to the holiday
>>> shopping season, not a peep about phones.
>>>
>>> Nailed it. Canonical pulled away from phones during 2016 in order to
>>> focus on enterprise functionality."
>>>
>>>
>>> Personally, I simply do think is just a question of time, and I have
>>> great faith in the UP project.
>>>
>>> So Dear Devs, what's the plan for 2017? How can we help to speed up
>>> Ubuntu Phone development? What can we do to get UP to play in the
>>> "First Division"?
>>>
>>> Regards.
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> advocatux
>>>
>>>
>>> [0]
>>> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/05/mark-shuttle-worth-talks-ubuntu-phone-snappy
>>>
>>> [1]
>>> http://www.networkworld.com/article/3145664/linux/2016-linux-predictions-which-ones-came-true.html
>>>
>>
>>
>>
> 
> 
> 

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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] What's the plan for Ubuntu Phone in 2017?

[Jo-Erlend Schinstad]

My hope and expectation for 2017, is that we'll see Ubuntu for phones being
moved to Ubuntu Core and that the desktop gets sufficiently useful that
Ubuntu Touch can be renamed Ubuntu Personal. I think that's a really good
name and I hope they start using it for phones and tablets by the end of
next year, maybe also providing Ubuntu Personal for desktops for those who
want a Snap-only PC.

I can't see any reason whatsoever why Canonical would want to pull away
from phones. It might not be a great source of income in the near future,
but it also shouldn't be particularly expensive to keep going, considering
it primarily consists of components that are required in other parts of
Ubuntu anyway. If it was a phone-only OS, then people would've had good
cause for concern. But I'm completely confident that it'll go on as a
healthy, niche project for people who wants something different.
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] What's the plan for Ubuntu Phone in 2017?

[NeoTheThird]

You cut me off there, my friend. I said it's not perfect and it could be 
made perfect. You are totally right, there are a lot of small bugs in UT 
that annoy the crap out of me and I'd like to see them getting fixed.


Only working on convergence from the desktop side won't fix these bugs. 
They have to be targeted on the phone. Ubuntu Touch is not living up to 
its Potential, that's really sad. As i said, it could become awesome. It 
should become awesome. So make it awesome, canonical. Please. Work on 
those tini tiny bugs that make everyday life on Ubuntu Touch such a pain.


Cheers,

NeoTheThird

On 16.12.2016 10:48, Marcin Xc wrote:
No, no, >NO< Tallien. It tried to function properly before someone put 
the text markers from under to over the text position. The markers 
were still to small but the accuracy was far higher than a marker over 
the word we want to mark. Now I get as a bug fix a pencil? Yes, I have 
one but... HELLO? >>>Just put these blue dots where they were and if 
You already edit the code make them a bit bigger. How is that hard???
But I bet You miss the point again: it is not about this single but. 
It is about whole attitude to the system. There seem to be no people 
like me who can give a critical opinion and only people who fell in 
love with UT no matter comes. If by the next OTA for example the web 
browser disappears it will also be no problem for You: You'll tell me 
to use Links2.

And the answer is here from NeoTheThird:
"What he just said. Could not agree more. Ubuntu Touch is good"
I didn't say it is not. I just put You an easy to solve problem in 
front of the eyes and some of You guys will keep on telling me, there 
is no problem.


Some of You just accept any step back without seeing it:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gvfs/+bug/1284308 
*To:* ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net
*Sent:* Thursday, December 15, 2016 11:52 PM
*Subject:* Re: [Ubuntu-phone] What's the plan for Ubuntu Phone in 2017?

Don't know if this helps you, but I found to my pleasant surprise that
using a rubber-tipped stylus of a narrow width increased my
speed and accuracy greatly when trying to select/edit text.

I hope development continues on UT, as I would much rather avoid
using a Microsoft or Apple phone if I didn't have to! I am glad I got
my Meizu Pro 5 before it sold out and would rather have it than anything
else.

When I donated previously I seem to recall there was an option to
select what you would like the devs to work on. I always chose desktop
plus phone/tablet. I see they have changed the options to vote for now
when you download, but "personal and mobile computing" are still
listed, so that's what I'll continue to vote for with my next donation.

Please keep up the good work on UT, I need my Ubuntu phone! :)

On Thu, 15 Dec 2016 23:26:59 +0100 NeoTheThird wrote:

>What he just said. Could not agree more. Ubuntu Touch is good. But
>could be awesome. So why don't we make it awesome?
>
>Regards,
>
>NeoTheThird
>
>
>On 15.12.2016 22:59, Marcin Xc wrote:
>> I love the idea of Ubuntu phone and pay great respect to all
>> developers. The only phone I could use again if there was no UT any
>> more would be my old Nokia:-)
>> I have however this ugly nature of telling people what I do not like
>> in a project directly in the eyes. There are a few things that kill
>> this project right from the start. I hate all these small bugs that
>> are 5-30 minutes work to repair but noone cares. I understand there
>> are hundreds of bugs: some of them are just someones colourful
>> fantasy, some of them less important than the others and there is
>> noone to decide which should be fixed as a first one.
>> Let me give You two examples (for these two reasons I wouldn't give
>> You a dollar if You asked me a 100):
>> 1. Marking a text. I mean these blue dots that are to small and
>> since OTA12 above the text!!! or let's say 

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] What's the plan for Ubuntu Phone in 2017?

[Marcin Xc]

No, no, >NO< Tallien. It tried to function properly before someone put the text 
markers from under to over the text position. The markers were still to small 
but the accuracy was far higher than a marker over the word we want to mark. 
Now I get as a bug fix a pencil? Yes, I have one but... HELLO? >>>Just put 
these blue dots where they were and if You already edit the code make them a 
bit bigger. How is that hard???But I bet You miss the point again: it is not 
about this single but. It is about whole attitude to the system. There seem to 
be no people like me who can give a critical opinion and only people who fell 
in love with UT no matter comes. If by the next OTA for example the web browser 
disappears it will also be no problem for You: You'll tell me to use Links2.
And the answer is here from NeoTheThird:
"What he just said. Could not agree more. Ubuntu Touch is good"I didn't say it 
is not. I just put You an easy to solve problem in front of the eyes and some 
of You guys will keep on telling me, there is no problem.

Some of You just accept any step back without seeing 
it:https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gvfs/+bug/1284308 <
 To: ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net 
 Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 11:52 PM
 Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-phone] What's the plan for Ubuntu Phone in 2017?
   
Don't know if this helps you, but I found to my pleasant surprise that
using a rubber-tipped stylus of a narrow width increased my
speed and accuracy greatly when trying to select/edit text.

I hope development continues on UT, as I would much rather avoid
using a Microsoft or Apple phone if I didn't have to! I am glad I got
my Meizu Pro 5 before it sold out and would rather have it than anything
else.

When I donated previously I seem to recall there was an option to
select what you would like the devs to work on. I always chose desktop
plus phone/tablet. I see they have changed the options to vote for now
when you download, but "personal and mobile computing" are still
listed, so that's what I'll continue to vote for with my next donation.

Please keep up the good work on UT, I need my Ubuntu phone! :)

On Thu, 15 Dec 2016 23:26:59 +0100 NeoTheThird wrote:

>What he just said. Could not agree more. Ubuntu Touch is good. But
>could be awesome. So why don't we make it awesome?
>
>Regards,
>
>NeoTheThird
>
>
>On 15.12.2016 22:59, Marcin Xc wrote:
>> I love the idea of Ubuntu phone and pay great respect to all 
>> developers. The only phone I could use again if there was no UT any 
>> more would be my old Nokia:-)
>> I have however this ugly nature of telling people what I do not like 
>> in a project directly in the eyes. There are a few things that kill 
>> this project right from the start. I hate all these small bugs that 
>> are 5-30 minutes work to repair but noone cares. I understand there 
>> are hundreds of bugs: some of them are just someones colourful 
>> fantasy, some of them less important than the others and there is 
>> noone to decide which should be fixed as a first one.
>> Let me give You two examples (for these two reasons I wouldn't give 
>> You a dollar if You asked me a 100):
>> 1. Marking a text. I mean these blue dots that are to small and
>> since OTA12 above the text!!! or let's say it straight: under Your
>> finger. Let's say it simply: it is a pretty important function,
>> especially because some apps do not cooperate with the phone app
>> very well. You do not have to rewrite a system to repair it and
>> let's say it straight: it does not work.
>> 2. This will be silly. Yes, You may find it silly but as I wrote 
>> already many times: first things first. Let this phone first calls
>> and rings correctly and then let us think about more complicated
>> things. So again, with full respect to all developers, I love that
>> You repaired the sms notification problem, but there is no way to
>> hear my E4.5 on the street. Some 250ms beep doesn't do the job. I
>> know I can probably just replace the *.ogg file the the one I like
>> but... what about all these people who can't do this? How "hard" is
>> it to repair this problem?
>> Perhaps I use wrong examples that You do not like but I hope You got 
>> the idea. This is the same thing as with bluetooth that doesn't work 
>> correctly since Ubuntu 12.04 though it used to work!!!
>> I really do not want to offend anyone but with such an attitude to
>> the development I simply can not write anything else. I like my
>> phone and love the tablet from which I wrote this message but can
>> not understand why simple things (for example my M10 doesn't open
>> ebay page correctly) need so long to repair.
>>
>> There seems to be totally no quality management for Ubuntu touch.
>>
>> So... now as You all hate me, I'll kill some Mashines in my
>> absolutely favourite game ever. Michael Zanetti, You made me play a
>> game! No one ever did it before;-)))
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Marcin
>>
>>
>> 

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] What's the plan for Ubuntu Phone in 2017?

[NeoTheThird]

Let's be honest: The M10 is a really cool device. It features a lot of 
the stuff we were promised in the Ubuntu Edge campaign but did not see 
in Ubuntu Touch up to that point. But it still has some annoying bugs 
and the hardware just can't live up to the expections of having a tablet 
when you want it and a pc when you need it.


Btw, Mr. Lunduke got a review unit and made a video about it and he 
sounded pretty excited about the whole convergence idea: 
https://youtu.be/rFQFSxxyqwk


Cheers

On 16.12.2016 06:50, mark wrote:


Hi

All the narrative surrounding convergence has been about one code for 
all devices: so developments in one area supposedly improves the 
experience in all areas. I realize that convergence hasn't quite 
happened yet, and that so far, seemingly Touch has been doing its own 
thing, but surely, tantalizingly, we're on the cusp of it with core 
and snaps: i.e. there's going to be a new protocol for the phone 
(desktop etc) soon. But more than that: so long as Canonical continue 
with convergence, the phone (and everything else) will always be part 
of it.


i.m.o. Bryan Lunduke is an agent provocoteur: all he wanted last 
Christmas was a truly Linux tablet, which he thought he'd never see. 
Well, that arrived literally a few weeks after his post in the form of 
the M10. :/


f.w.i.w My predictions for Ubuntu phone in 2016: Core and Snaps. New 
devices from OEMs. Perhaps a more easily portable system. And maybe 
other flavours of UT.



m


On 15/12/16 12:38, advocatux wrote:
Dear Ubuntu Developers & Supporters, first of all thank you for your 
work. Also Happy Holidays, and Happy New Year.


I do think this is the perfect time to talk about Ubuntu Phone (UP) 
and its next future.


Mark Suttleworth said in May UP is not in the main focus, and that 
his daily phone is not UP [0], but I don't interpreted it as far as 
Bryan Lunduke (Social Media Marketing Manager of SUSE) does, when 
talking about his 2016 predictions [1]:


"(Prediction for 2016) Canonical will pull away from phones.

Canonical/Ubuntu pulling away from the phone market? This is a hard 
one to measure.


Wait. No, it’s not.

The last press release from Canonical that was phone-related was back 
in April. And the main press page for Canonical doesn’t list a single 
thing about phones. The last several announcements from Canonical 
have been very enterprise-centric. Even in the lead up to the holiday 
shopping season, not a peep about phones.


Nailed it. Canonical pulled away from phones during 2016 in order to 
focus on enterprise functionality."



Personally, I simply do think is just a question of time, and I have 
great faith in the UP project.


So Dear Devs, what's the plan for 2017? How can we help to speed up 
Ubuntu Phone development? What can we do to get UP to play in the 
"First Division"?


Regards.

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[0] 
http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/05/mark-shuttle-worth-talks-ubuntu-phone-snappy


[1] 
http://www.networkworld.com/article/3145664/linux/2016-linux-predictions-which-ones-came-true.html








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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] What's the plan for Ubuntu Phone in 2017?

[mark]

Hi

All the narrative surrounding convergence has been about one code for 
all devices: so developments in one area supposedly improves the 
experience in all areas. I realize that convergence hasn't quite 
happened yet, and that so far, seemingly Touch has been doing its own 
thing, but surely, tantalizingly, we're on the cusp of it with core and 
snaps: i.e. there's going to be a new protocol for the phone (desktop 
etc) soon. But more than that: so long as Canonical continue with 
convergence, the phone (and everything else) will always be part of it.


i.m.o. Bryan Lunduke is an agent provocoteur: all he wanted last 
Christmas was a truly Linux tablet, which he thought he'd never see. 
Well, that arrived literally a few weeks after his post in the form of 
the M10. :/


f.w.i.w My predictions for Ubuntu phone in 2016: Core and Snaps. New 
devices from OEMs. Perhaps a more easily portable system. And maybe 
other flavours of UT.



m


On 15/12/16 12:38, advocatux wrote:
Dear Ubuntu Developers & Supporters, first of all thank you for your 
work. Also Happy Holidays, and Happy New Year.


I do think this is the perfect time to talk about Ubuntu Phone (UP) 
and its next future.


Mark Suttleworth said in May UP is not in the main focus, and that his 
daily phone is not UP [0], but I don't interpreted it as far as Bryan 
Lunduke (Social Media Marketing Manager of SUSE) does, when talking 
about his 2016 predictions [1]:


"(Prediction for 2016) Canonical will pull away from phones.

Canonical/Ubuntu pulling away from the phone market? This is a hard 
one to measure.


Wait. No, it’s not.

The last press release from Canonical that was phone-related was back 
in April. And the main press page for Canonical doesn’t list a single 
thing about phones. The last several announcements from Canonical have 
been very enterprise-centric. Even in the lead up to the holiday 
shopping season, not a peep about phones.


Nailed it. Canonical pulled away from phones during 2016 in order to 
focus on enterprise functionality."



Personally, I simply do think is just a question of time, and I have 
great faith in the UP project.


So Dear Devs, what's the plan for 2017? How can we help to speed up 
Ubuntu Phone development? What can we do to get UP to play in the 
"First Division"?


Regards.

--
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[0] 
http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/05/mark-shuttle-worth-talks-ubuntu-phone-snappy


[1] 
http://www.networkworld.com/article/3145664/linux/2016-linux-predictions-which-ones-came-true.html





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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] What's the plan for Ubuntu Phone in 2017?

[tallien]

Don't know if this helps you, but I found to my pleasant surprise that
using a rubber-tipped stylus of a narrow width increased my
speed and accuracy greatly when trying to select/edit text.

I hope development continues on UT, as I would much rather avoid
using a Microsoft or Apple phone if I didn't have to! I am glad I got
my Meizu Pro 5 before it sold out and would rather have it than anything
else.

When I donated previously I seem to recall there was an option to
select what you would like the devs to work on. I always chose desktop
plus phone/tablet. I see they have changed the options to vote for now
when you download, but "personal and mobile computing" are still
listed, so that's what I'll continue to vote for with my next donation.

Please keep up the good work on UT, I need my Ubuntu phone! :)

On Thu, 15 Dec 2016 23:26:59 +0100 NeoTheThird wrote:

>What he just said. Could not agree more. Ubuntu Touch is good. But
>could be awesome. So why don't we make it awesome?
>
>Regards,
>
>NeoTheThird
>
>
>On 15.12.2016 22:59, Marcin Xc wrote:
>> I love the idea of Ubuntu phone and pay great respect to all 
>> developers. The only phone I could use again if there was no UT any 
>> more would be my old Nokia:-)
>> I have however this ugly nature of telling people what I do not like 
>> in a project directly in the eyes. There are a few things that kill 
>> this project right from the start. I hate all these small bugs that 
>> are 5-30 minutes work to repair but noone cares. I understand there 
>> are hundreds of bugs: some of them are just someones colourful 
>> fantasy, some of them less important than the others and there is 
>> noone to decide which should be fixed as a first one.
>> Let me give You two examples (for these two reasons I wouldn't give 
>> You a dollar if You asked me a 100):
>> 1. Marking a text. I mean these blue dots that are to small and
>> since OTA12 above the text!!! or let's say it straight: under Your
>> finger. Let's say it simply: it is a pretty important function,
>> especially because some apps do not cooperate with the phone app
>> very well. You do not have to rewrite a system to repair it and
>> let's say it straight: it does not work.
>> 2. This will be silly. Yes, You may find it silly but as I wrote 
>> already many times: first things first. Let this phone first calls
>> and rings correctly and then let us think about more complicated
>> things. So again, with full respect to all developers, I love that
>> You repaired the sms notification problem, but there is no way to
>> hear my E4.5 on the street. Some 250ms beep doesn't do the job. I
>> know I can probably just replace the *.ogg file the the one I like
>> but... what about all these people who can't do this? How "hard" is
>> it to repair this problem?
>> Perhaps I use wrong examples that You do not like but I hope You got 
>> the idea. This is the same thing as with bluetooth that doesn't work 
>> correctly since Ubuntu 12.04 though it used to work!!!
>> I really do not want to offend anyone but with such an attitude to
>> the development I simply can not write anything else. I like my
>> phone and love the tablet from which I wrote this message but can
>> not understand why simple things (for example my M10 doesn't open
>> ebay page correctly) need so long to repair.
>>
>> There seems to be totally no quality management for Ubuntu touch.
>>
>> So... now as You all hate me, I'll kill some Mashines in my
>> absolutely favourite game ever. Michael Zanetti, You made me play a
>> game! No one ever did it before;-)))
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Marcin
>>
>>
>> 
>> *From:* advocatux 
>> *To:* ubuntu-phone 
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 15, 2016 4:38 PM
>> *Subject:* [Ubuntu-phone] What's the plan for Ubuntu Phone in 2017?
>>
>> Dear Ubuntu Developers & Supporters, first of all thank you for your
>> work. Also Happy Holidays, and Happy New Year.
>>
>> I do think this is the perfect time to talk about Ubuntu Phone (UP)
>> and its next future.
>>
>> Mark Suttleworth said in May UP is not in the main focus, and that
>> his daily phone is not UP [0], but I don't interpreted it as far as
>> Bryan Lunduke (Social Media Marketing Manager of SUSE) does, when
>> talking about his 2016 predictions [1]:
>>
>> "(Prediction for 2016) Canonical will pull away from phones.
>>
>> Canonical/Ubuntu pulling away from the phone market? This is a hard
>> one to measure.
>>
>> Wait. No, it’s not.
>>
>> The last press release from Canonical that was phone-related was
>> back in April. And the main press page for Canonical doesn’t list a
>> single thing about phones. The last several announcements from
>> Canonical have been very enterprise-centric. Even in the lead up to
>> the holiday shopping season, not a peep about phones.
>>
>> Nailed it. Canonical pulled away from phones during 2016 in order to
>> focus on enterprise functionality."
>>
>>

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] What's the plan for Ubuntu Phone in 2017?

[NeoTheThird]

What he just said. Could not agree more. Ubuntu Touch is good. But could 
be awesome. So why don't we make it awesome?


Regards,

NeoTheThird


On 15.12.2016 22:59, Marcin Xc wrote:
I love the idea of Ubuntu phone and pay great respect to all 
developers. The only phone I could use again if there was no UT any 
more would be my old Nokia:-)
I have however this ugly nature of telling people what I do not like 
in a project directly in the eyes. There are a few things that kill 
this project right from the start. I hate all these small bugs that 
are 5-30 minutes work to repair but noone cares. I understand there 
are hundreds of bugs: some of them are just someones colourful 
fantasy, some of them less important than the others and there is 
noone to decide which should be fixed as a first one.
Let me give You two examples (for these two reasons I wouldn't give 
You a dollar if You asked me a 100):
1. Marking a text. I mean these blue dots that are to small and since 
OTA12 above the text!!! or let's say it straight: under Your finger. 
Let's say it simply: it is a pretty important function, especially 
because some apps do not cooperate with the phone app very well. You 
do not have to rewrite a system to repair it and let's say it 
straight: it does not work.
2. This will be silly. Yes, You may find it silly but as I wrote 
already many times: first things first. Let this phone first calls and 
rings correctly and then let us think about more complicated things. 
So again, with full respect to all developers, I love that You 
repaired the sms notification problem, but there is no way to hear my 
E4.5 on the street. Some 250ms beep doesn't do the job. I know I can 
probably just replace the *.ogg file the the one I like but... what 
about all these people who can't do this? How "hard" is it to repair 
this problem?
Perhaps I use wrong examples that You do not like but I hope You got 
the idea. This is the same thing as with bluetooth that doesn't work 
correctly since Ubuntu 12.04 though it used to work!!!
I really do not want to offend anyone but with such an attitude to the 
development I simply can not write anything else. I like my phone and 
love the tablet from which I wrote this message but can not understand 
why simple things (for example my M10 doesn't open ebay page 
correctly) need so long to repair.


There seems to be totally no quality management for Ubuntu touch.

So... now as You all hate me, I'll kill some Mashines in my absolutely 
favourite game ever. Michael Zanetti, You made me play a game! No one 
ever did it before;-)))


Cheers

Marcin



*From:* advocatux 
*To:* ubuntu-phone 
*Sent:* Thursday, December 15, 2016 4:38 PM
*Subject:* [Ubuntu-phone] What's the plan for Ubuntu Phone in 2017?

Dear Ubuntu Developers & Supporters, first of all thank you for your
work. Also Happy Holidays, and Happy New Year.

I do think this is the perfect time to talk about Ubuntu Phone (UP) and
its next future.

Mark Suttleworth said in May UP is not in the main focus, and that his
daily phone is not UP [0], but I don't interpreted it as far as Bryan
Lunduke (Social Media Marketing Manager of SUSE) does, when talking
about his 2016 predictions [1]:

"(Prediction for 2016) Canonical will pull away from phones.

Canonical/Ubuntu pulling away from the phone market? This is a hard one
to measure.

Wait. No, it’s not.

The last press release from Canonical that was phone-related was back in
April. And the main press page for Canonical doesn’t list a single thing
about phones. The last several announcements from Canonical have been
very enterprise-centric. Even in the lead up to the holiday shopping
season, not a peep about phones.

Nailed it. Canonical pulled away from phones during 2016 in order to
focus on enterprise functionality."


Personally, I simply do think is just a question of time, and I have
great faith in the UP project.

So Dear Devs, what's the plan for 2017? How can we help to speed up
Ubuntu Phone development? What can we do to get UP to play in the "First
Division"?

Regards.

--
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http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/05/mark-shuttle-worth-talks-ubuntu-phone-snappy

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http://www.networkworld.com/article/3145664/linux/2016-linux-predictions-which-ones-came-true.html

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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] What's the plan for Ubuntu Phone in 2017?

[Marcin Xc]

I love the idea of Ubuntu phone and pay great respect to all developers. The 
only phone I could use again if there was no UT any more would be my old 
Nokia:-)I have however this ugly nature of telling people what I do not like in 
a project directly in the eyes. There are a few things that kill this project 
right from the start. I hate all these small bugs that are 5-30 minutes work to 
repair but noone cares. I understand there are hundreds of bugs: some of them 
are just someones colourful fantasy, some of them less important than the 
others and there is noone to decide which should be fixed as a first one.Let me 
give You two examples (for these two reasons I wouldn't give You a dollar if 
You asked me a 100):1. Marking a text. I mean these blue dots that are to small 
and since OTA12 above the text!!! or let's say it straight: under Your finger. 
Let's say it simply: it is a pretty important function, especially because some 
apps do not cooperate with the phone app very well. You do not have to rewrite 
a system to repair it and let's say it straight: it does not work.2. This will 
be silly. Yes, You may find it silly but as I wrote already many times: first 
things first. Let this phone first calls and rings correctly and then let us 
think about more complicated things. So again, with full respect to all 
developers, I love that You repaired the sms notification problem, but there is 
no way to hear my E4.5 on the street. Some 250ms beep doesn't do the job. I 
know I can probably just replace the *.ogg file the the one I like but... what 
about all these people who can't do this? How "hard" is it to repair this 
problem?Perhaps I use wrong examples that You do not like but I hope You got 
the idea. This is the same thing as with bluetooth that doesn't work correctly 
since Ubuntu 12.04 though it used to work!!!I really do not want to offend 
anyone but with such an attitude to the development I simply can not write 
anything else. I like my phone and love the tablet from which I wrote this 
message but can not understand why simple things (for example my M10 doesn't 
open ebay page correctly) need so long to repair.
There seems to be totally no quality management for Ubuntu touch.
So... now as You all hate me, I'll kill some Mashines in my absolutely 
favourite game ever. Michael Zanetti, You made me play a game! No one ever did 
it before;-)))
Cheers
Marcin

  From: advocatux 
 To: ubuntu-phone  
 Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 4:38 PM
 Subject: [Ubuntu-phone] What's the plan for Ubuntu Phone in 2017?
   
Dear Ubuntu Developers & Supporters, first of all thank you for your 
work. Also Happy Holidays, and Happy New Year.

I do think this is the perfect time to talk about Ubuntu Phone (UP) and 
its next future.

Mark Suttleworth said in May UP is not in the main focus, and that his 
daily phone is not UP [0], but I don't interpreted it as far as Bryan 
Lunduke (Social Media Marketing Manager of SUSE) does, when talking 
about his 2016 predictions [1]:

"(Prediction for 2016) Canonical will pull away from phones.

Canonical/Ubuntu pulling away from the phone market? This is a hard one 
to measure.

Wait. No, it’s not.

The last press release from Canonical that was phone-related was back in 
April. And the main press page for Canonical doesn’t list a single thing 
about phones. The last several announcements from Canonical have been 
very enterprise-centric. Even in the lead up to the holiday shopping 
season, not a peep about phones.

Nailed it. Canonical pulled away from phones during 2016 in order to 
focus on enterprise functionality."


Personally, I simply do think is just a question of time, and I have 
great faith in the UP project.

So Dear Devs, what's the plan for 2017? How can we help to speed up 
Ubuntu Phone development? What can we do to get UP to play in the "First 
Division"?

Regards.

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http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/05/mark-shuttle-worth-talks-ubuntu-phone-snappy

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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] What's the plan for Ubuntu Phone in 2017?

[Sami Törmänen]

Big thanks to all developers from me too!

A couple months ago I did buy used Nexus4 phone just for ubuntu touch. It
is my only phone right now and Im very happy with it. Just a few irritating
bugs but nothing major..

I hope that existing UT users get their phone bugs fixed. I think that
 fixing existing critical bugs is most important thing right now.

I'm also interested how many ubuntu phone users is out there?

Maybe we could put some simple poll site together and users could vote
their own phone? And maybe collect their critical bugs at same time?

Some donating thingy is good idea and maybe some UT specific forum where we
could collect ideas and own fixes, tweaks, mods etc..

We need more action around ubuntu touch OS, only then we can get more
people and also developers interested.

Best regards from Finland! :)

torstai 15. joulukuuta 2016 Stephen 
kirjoitti:
> Likewise, thank you to all Ubuntu developers.
>
> I enjoy and value my Meizu Pro 5 Ubuntu Edition.
>
> I was wondering though, how many Ubuntu phone users there are across all
devices (BQ, Nexus, Meizu)?
>
> 2,000 or so?
>
> If that's about right, and we each contributed $100, wouldn't that enable
a serious giddy-up to development?
>
> As Melvin wrote, "there's nothing else like it out there."
>
> Worth a bit of effort from existing users ...
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] What's the plan for Ubuntu Phone in 2017?

[Stephen]

What I'd like to see is a page or a website that tracks donations, like 
some OS developers have (e.g. openshot), and for those donations to be 
directly deposited into a Canonical account set aside specifically for 
Ubuntu phone development (not convergence, but issues relating to the 
officially supported phones - BQ, Nexus, Meizu)


That way we could rally support (provide links to those interested in a 
more secure, no-tracking phone platform).


It would provide a focal point -- e.g. for some of the "27,000" 
supporters of the Ubuntu Edge program.


Any suggestions?

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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] What's the plan for Ubuntu Phone in 2017?

[Wayne Taylor]

fair enough.

remember that big crowd funding deal for that ubuntu phone that almost
happened? can't remember name of it... oh yeah, Ubuntu Edge:

http://venturebeat.com/2013/08/22/ubuntu-edge-crowdfunding-campaign-falls-short-by-19m-founder-keeps-dreaming/

I would stand behind this too.

This platform *must* happen.



On 2016-12-15 08:49 AM, Stephen wrote:
> Likewise, thank you to all Ubuntu developers.
> 
> I enjoy and value my Meizu Pro 5 Ubuntu Edition.
> 
> I was wondering though, how many Ubuntu phone users there are across all
> devices (BQ, Nexus, Meizu)?
> 
> 2,000 or so?
> 
> If that's about right, and we each contributed $100, wouldn't that
> enable a serious giddy-up to development?
> 
> As Melvin wrote, "there's nothing else like it out there."
> 
> Worth a bit of effort from existing users ...
> 

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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] What's the plan for Ubuntu Phone in 2017?

[Stephen]

Likewise, thank you to all Ubuntu developers.

I enjoy and value my Meizu Pro 5 Ubuntu Edition.

I was wondering though, how many Ubuntu phone users there are across all 
devices (BQ, Nexus, Meizu)?


2,000 or so?

If that's about right, and we each contributed $100, wouldn't that 
enable a serious giddy-up to development?


As Melvin wrote, "there's nothing else like it out there."

Worth a bit of effort from existing users ...

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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] What's the plan for Ubuntu Phone in 2017?

[Melvin Carvalho]

On 15 December 2016 at 16:38, advocatux  wrote:

> Dear Ubuntu Developers & Supporters, first of all thank you for your work.
> Also Happy Holidays, and Happy New Year.
>
> I do think this is the perfect time to talk about Ubuntu Phone (UP) and
> its next future.
>
> Mark Suttleworth said in May UP is not in the main focus, and that his
> daily phone is not UP [0], but I don't interpreted it as far as Bryan
> Lunduke (Social Media Marketing Manager of SUSE) does, when talking about
> his 2016 predictions [1]:
>
> "(Prediction for 2016) Canonical will pull away from phones.
>
> Canonical/Ubuntu pulling away from the phone market? This is a hard one to
> measure.
>
> Wait. No, it’s not.
>
> The last press release from Canonical that was phone-related was back in
> April. And the main press page for Canonical doesn’t list a single thing
> about phones. The last several announcements from Canonical have been very
> enterprise-centric. Even in the lead up to the holiday shopping season, not
> a peep about phones.
>
> Nailed it. Canonical pulled away from phones during 2016 in order to focus
> on enterprise functionality."
>
>
> Personally, I simply do think is just a question of time, and I have great
> faith in the UP project.
>
> So Dear Devs, what's the plan for 2017? How can we help to speed up Ubuntu
> Phone development? What can we do to get UP to play in the "First Division"?
>

Nice question :)

Was thinking about his yesterday.  Im still super optimistic about Ubuntu
Phone, simply because, there's nothing else like it out there.

I expect the challenges of creating a phone without multi billion dollar
budgets is enormous, but what has been achieved to date is amazing.

Regarding "first division" I dont think ANY phone right now is in the first
division.  But UP will offer features that will be simply impossible
elsewhere.

My thoughts around this are that we are in a pattern of bug fixing and
moving towards convergence.  When those two things are done, there will be
new carriers.

Happy holidays, keep up the good work, and I hope to contribute more in
2017!

>
>
> Regards.
>
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>
> [0] http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/05/mark-shuttle-worth-talks-
> ubuntu-phone-snappy
>
> [1] http://www.networkworld.com/article/3145664/linux/2016-linux
> -predictions-which-ones-came-true.html
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