Re: Questions about testing

2012-08-15 Thread Gema Gomez
On 14/08/12 12:17, Ho Wan Chan wrote:
 You don't normally use Windows alongside Ubuntu Wubi in VMs, also then
 the bootloader is better.

Agreed, the usual use case here is a user on their PC installing from
wubi from their windows. Same concerns apply, when doing this, back up
your data!

Gema

 
 2012/8/14 Tobias k1...@gmx.de mailto:k1...@gmx.de
 
 but wubi testing is preferred on real hardware, right??
 
 
 
 
 Am 14.08.2012 12:06, schrieb Gema Gomez:
 On 14/08/12 11:04, Ho Wan Chan wrote:


 Mart,
  
 Use Gema's opinion: She's an official Canonical employee, while I am
 only a active community tester...
 Hey, everyone's opinion count and is welcome!

 More than a canonical employee I am a QA Engineer, I have been for many
 years now, so I tried to give an explanation for a new comer from that
 viewpoint, I hope everyone can benefit from it and I am open to
 discussion if you guys think it may help.

 Thanks everyone for your help,
 Gema

 2012/8/14 Gema Gomez gema.gomez-sol...@canonical.com 
 mailto:gema.gomez-sol...@canonical.com
 mailto:gema.gomez-sol...@canonical.com 
 mailto:gema.gomez-sol...@canonical.com

 Hi Mart,

 I disagree with Ho Wan Chan, here is my opinion.

 On 14/08/12 10:13, Mart Küng wrote:
  Hi
 
  I have a couple of questions about how to configure my machine
 when testing.
  Is there a significant difference if any between testing in 
 virtual
  machine and installing on real hardware?

 On virtual machines you are testing some parts of Ubuntu. On real
 hardware you are testing others, in fact, depending on which 
 hardware
 you have, you are increasing our chances of finding problems for 
 your
 specific HW, because we don't have infinite HW to test on. 
 Basically,
 when you test on HW you are using drivers that noone else is 
 potentially
 using.

 In the Platform QA Team in Canonical, we are testing with VMs for 
 the
 daily ISO testing, and we test on a variety of HW the different 
 kernel
 SRUs, so that we are reasonably confident that they will work on a 
 wide
 variety of HW.

 Testing on HW is different from testing on VMs, both useful 
 depending on
 what you are trying to achieve, since with ISO testing we are 
 trying to
 cover as much HW as we can, testing on HW will be more useful from 
 that
 viewpoint.

 
  Would it be reasonable to dual boot version I'm testing with my
 regular
  everyday system? I ask this because of my netbook: on my desktop I
 could
  easily use virtual machine or change HDD-s. But netbook is to 
 weak for
  virtual machine and changing HDD seams to troublesome.

 You can dual boot your everyday system, but there are risks that an
 installation goes wrong and you blow up your current system. That 
 is the
 reason why we don't recommend it. If you are confident you know your
 system and that won't happen to you, I still recommend you have 
 backups
 of all the important documents before attempting the testing along 
 your
 existing system. Other than that, it is very useful that you 
 install the
 current version along an existing one, because many users will be 
 doing
 just that, and we want them to be able to do it.


 Thanks,
 Gema

 
  Mart
 
 


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Re: Questions about testing

2012-08-15 Thread Ho Wan Chan


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Questions about testing

2012-08-14 Thread Mart Küng
Hi

I have a couple of questions about how to configure my machine when testing.
Is there a significant difference if any between testing in virtual
machine and installing on real hardware?

Would it be reasonable to dual boot version I'm testing with my regular
everyday system? I ask this because of my netbook: on my desktop I could
easily use virtual machine or change HDD-s. But netbook is to weak for
virtual machine and changing HDD seams to troublesome.

Mart


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Re: Questions about testing

2012-08-14 Thread Tobias

but wubi testing is preferred on real hardware, right??




Am 14.08.2012 12:06, schrieb Gema Gomez:

On 14/08/12 11:04, Ho Wan Chan wrote:



Mart,
  
Use Gema's opinion: She's an official Canonical employee, while I am

only a active community tester...

Hey, everyone's opinion count and is welcome!

More than a canonical employee I am a QA Engineer, I have been for many
years now, so I tried to give an explanation for a new comer from that
viewpoint, I hope everyone can benefit from it and I am open to
discussion if you guys think it may help.

Thanks everyone for your help,
Gema


2012/8/14 Gema Gomez gema.gomez-sol...@canonical.com
mailto:gema.gomez-sol...@canonical.com

 Hi Mart,

 I disagree with Ho Wan Chan, here is my opinion.

 On 14/08/12 10:13, Mart Küng wrote:
  Hi
 
  I have a couple of questions about how to configure my machine
 when testing.
  Is there a significant difference if any between testing in virtual
  machine and installing on real hardware?

 On virtual machines you are testing some parts of Ubuntu. On real
 hardware you are testing others, in fact, depending on which hardware
 you have, you are increasing our chances of finding problems for your
 specific HW, because we don't have infinite HW to test on. Basically,
 when you test on HW you are using drivers that noone else is potentially
 using.

 In the Platform QA Team in Canonical, we are testing with VMs for the
 daily ISO testing, and we test on a variety of HW the different kernel
 SRUs, so that we are reasonably confident that they will work on a wide
 variety of HW.

 Testing on HW is different from testing on VMs, both useful depending on
 what you are trying to achieve, since with ISO testing we are trying to
 cover as much HW as we can, testing on HW will be more useful from that
 viewpoint.

 
  Would it be reasonable to dual boot version I'm testing with my
 regular
  everyday system? I ask this because of my netbook: on my desktop I
 could
  easily use virtual machine or change HDD-s. But netbook is to weak for
  virtual machine and changing HDD seams to troublesome.

 You can dual boot your everyday system, but there are risks that an
 installation goes wrong and you blow up your current system. That is the
 reason why we don't recommend it. If you are confident you know your
 system and that won't happen to you, I still recommend you have backups
 of all the important documents before attempting the testing along your
 existing system. Other than that, it is very useful that you install the
 current version along an existing one, because many users will be doing
 just that, and we want them to be able to do it.


 Thanks,
 Gema

 
  Mart
 
 


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