[Bug 1269073] Re: test_tomcat_daemon smoke test failure on images with 3.13 kernel
** Changed in: tomcat7 (Ubuntu) Status: New = Confirmed ** Changed in: tomcat7 (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided = High -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to tomcat7 in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1269073 Title: test_tomcat_daemon smoke test failure on images with 3.13 kernel To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tomcat7/+bug/1269073/+subscriptions -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
[Bug 1269073] Re: test_tomcat_daemon smoke test failure on images with 3.13 kernel
replacing the use in the test case is well and good - but this is actually an issue that will impact users. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to tomcat7 in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1269073 Title: test_tomcat_daemon smoke test failure on images with 3.13 kernel To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tomcat7/+bug/1269073/+subscriptions -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
[Bug 1269073] Re: test_tomcat_daemon smoke test failure on images with 3.13 kernel
Using /dev/urandom does resolve the issue, but is it as secure? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to tomcat7 in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1269073 Title: test_tomcat_daemon smoke test failure on images with 3.13 kernel To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tomcat7/+bug/1269073/+subscriptions -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
[Bug 1269073] Re: test_tomcat_daemon smoke test failure on images with 3.13 kernel
Using /dev/urandom does resolve the issue, but is it as secure? There are more things that could happen to make it less secure now. My understanding: though the early entropy is going to /dev/urandom now, there may be more things that feed from /dev/urandom (thus using that entropy up), and there is nothing to hold Tomcat back to wait for more entropy like there was before. Must Tomcat block everything while it is waiting for entropy, or does the system still boot? Fundamentally, the issue is that the system needs an early entropy source, and VMs have little. The kernel decides what is safe and available to use, and so if Tomcat wants high quality entropy and the kernel now says to wait, it'll have to wait. I wonder if there is a bigger picture solution to this. What if, for example, an external source could optionally provide some entropy to the VM for early boot? cloud-init could take it then, for example, and feed the kernel, at least for the first-ever boot. Disadvantages: you have to trust the host more than you did before; the fed entropy would be have stored, and thus vulnerable to compromise; people may do it wrong. Though I'm no expert, and something like this definitely needs to be checked by an expert before doing it. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to tomcat7 in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1269073 Title: test_tomcat_daemon smoke test failure on images with 3.13 kernel To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tomcat7/+bug/1269073/+subscriptions -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
[Bug 1269073] Re: test_tomcat_daemon smoke test failure on images with 3.13 kernel
James/Robie, where would one tweak which random source is used? Currently playing around with it btu I don't understand why tweaking a certain new setting has the effect it seems to have... So there is this new /proc/sys/kernel/random/urandom_min_reseed_secs which is said to be the time between reseeding urandom (assuming from random). This is defaulting to 60s. If I change it to 5s, it feels like tomcat comes up quicker. Somehow that would only make sense to me if whatever tomcat waits for is urandom already. Btw, the system does boot for me. It is just the 8080 socket that seems to appear only later (and which the testcase checks for) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to tomcat7 in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1269073 Title: test_tomcat_daemon smoke test failure on images with 3.13 kernel To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tomcat7/+bug/1269073/+subscriptions -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
[Bug 1269073] Re: test_tomcat_daemon smoke test failure on images with 3.13 kernel
Useful reading: http://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man4/random.4.html and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki//dev/random /dev/urandom does not block at the cost of not being the best quality entropy. /dev/random is recommended for long term cryptographic use, but at the cost of blocking if the kernel doesn't have enough entropy available. If the problem is that in general use Tomcat takes longer to start listening on its socket (but is otherwise unaffected), then I think that the immediate problem could be fixed in the test case. It could use the symlink trick to simulate a system that does always have enough entropy available. Question: should the test case be checking that Tomcat works eventually when enough entropy is provided, or that Tomcat starts listening quickly on an entropy-starved system? An obvious secondary problem for users is so how do I get enough entropy to get my VM running Tomcat to start listening faster, then?. The answer to this is the same as always - from the usual sources, including the option of an external hardware entropy source passed through to the VM, or from some other external source and fed in to the kernel from userspace. A tertiary, perhaps blueprint-level item might be to make it easier for users to get entropy to their VMs, in order to make Ubuntu VM use better in general for all our users. This might involve us recommending a method and making it more automatic, for example via cloud-init. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to tomcat7 in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1269073 Title: test_tomcat_daemon smoke test failure on images with 3.13 kernel To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tomcat7/+bug/1269073/+subscriptions -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
[Bug 1269073] Re: test_tomcat_daemon smoke test failure on images with 3.13 kernel
If the test @Robie suggests above resolves the issue it might indicate that this commit below (which was introduced to improve security) might be the underlying change which makes this worse: commit 40db23e5337d99fda05ee6cd18034b516f8f123d Author: Theodore Ts'o ty...@mit.edu Date: Sun Nov 3 00:15:05 2013 -0400 random: make add_timer_randomness() fill the nonblocking pool first Change add_timer_randomness() so that it directs incoming entropy to the nonblocking pool first if it hasn't been fully initialized yet. This matches the strategy we use in add_interrupt_randomness(), which allows us to push the randomness where we need it the most during when the system is first booting up, so that get_random_bytes() and /dev/urandom become safe to use as soon as possible. Signed-off-by: Theodore Ts'o ty...@mit.edu Note that i has been suggested that the machine does come up if you wait long enough. If we take the contention that this is indeed entropy related then if an init job hangs the system boot progress (preventing ssh etc) as it is waiting on entropy then all sources of entropy will also be gone other than network. This implies that if you ping the machine in this phase or increase the rate of ssh attempts that the machine might boot faster; which would also be confirmatory of this conjecture. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to tomcat7 in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1269073 Title: test_tomcat_daemon smoke test failure on images with 3.13 kernel To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tomcat7/+bug/1269073/+subscriptions -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
[Bug 1269073] Re: test_tomcat_daemon smoke test failure on images with 3.13 kernel
Just noticed this in /var/log/tomcat7/ ** Attachment added: localhost.2014-01-10.log https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tomcat7/+bug/1269073/+attachment/3948641/+files/localhost.2014-01-10.log -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to tomcat7 in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1269073 Title: test_tomcat_daemon smoke test failure on images with 3.13 kernel To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tomcat7/+bug/1269073/+subscriptions -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
[Bug 1269073] Re: test_tomcat_daemon smoke test failure on images with 3.13 kernel
I suspect that this points to some sort of problem with entropy generation in /dev/random which is what gets used by default. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to tomcat7 in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1269073 Title: test_tomcat_daemon smoke test failure on images with 3.13 kernel To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tomcat7/+bug/1269073/+subscriptions -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
[Bug 1269073] Re: test_tomcat_daemon smoke test failure on images with 3.13 kernel
SecureRandom generation is taking alot longer than normal, meaning that the tomcat7 instance is not starting fully before the tests are run. We saw this before but I can't remember what caused it. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to tomcat7 in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1269073 Title: test_tomcat_daemon smoke test failure on images with 3.13 kernel To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tomcat7/+bug/1269073/+subscriptions -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
[Bug 1269073] Re: test_tomcat_daemon smoke test failure on images with 3.13 kernel
If the problem is a shortage of entropy in /dev/random, then I suggest that tests replace /dev/random with a symlink to /dev/urandom instead. urandom should be good enough for testing purposes, since we're not testing the quality of entropy sources. Does this resolve the issue? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to tomcat7 in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1269073 Title: test_tomcat_daemon smoke test failure on images with 3.13 kernel To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tomcat7/+bug/1269073/+subscriptions -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
