Re: [Bug 556312] Re: libvirt packages should not Recommend hypervisor packages
I disagree. It wouldn't be found in a Xen installation would it. And if you want to use just remote URIs then ' installing this one without them is perfectly reasonable'. Would it not be more appropriate to split libvirt-bin into two packages - one of which is core and can be used for remote URI, testing and Xen installation and the other which is tied more closely to your ubuntu KVM strategy. There seems to be an increasing rigidity creeping into the Ubuntu mindset. On 7 April 2010 02:24, Mathias Gug math...@ubuntu.com wrote: According to the Debian policy: Recommends This declares a strong, but not absolute, dependency. The Recommends field should list packages that would be found together with this one in all but unusual installations. Suggests This is used to declare that one package may be more useful with one or more others. Using this field tells the packaging system and the user that the listed packages are related to this one and can perhaps enhance its usefulness, but that installing this one without them is perfectly reasonable. It seems that Recommends is the best option for qemu-kvm. Note that you can use the --no-install-recommends option with installing the libvirt package. ** Changed in: libvirt (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided = Wishlist ** Changed in: libvirt (Ubuntu) Status: New = Won't Fix -- libvirt packages should not Recommend hypervisor packages https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/556312 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. -- Neil Wilson -- libvirt packages should not Recommend hypervisor packages https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/556312 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to libvirt in ubuntu. -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
Re: [Bug 556312] Re: libvirt packages should not Recommend hypervisor packages
On Wed, Apr 07, 2010 at 07:00:35AM -, Neil Wilson wrote: I disagree. It wouldn't be found in a Xen installation would it. And if you want to use just remote URIs then ' installing this one without them is perfectly reasonable'. I tend to follow the 80/20 rule. My guess is that 80% of the libvirt installations use qemu-kvm. For the other 20% there is the solution to install libvirt with the '--no-install-recommends' option. Reopening the bug to get input from other developers. status confirmed -- Mathias Gug Ubuntu Developer http://www.ubuntu.com ** Changed in: libvirt (Ubuntu) Status: Won't Fix = Confirmed -- libvirt packages should not Recommend hypervisor packages https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/556312 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to libvirt in ubuntu. -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
Re: [Bug 556312] Re: libvirt packages should not Recommend hypervisor packages
Hmm, well, I agree with Mathias' logic. And I do think we're following the Debian policy here for recommends (most libvirt installs accompany a hypervisor). But it does not have to be that way. Personally, I'd be fine downgrading the hypervisors to suggests, if there are no objections... I hope that kvm (and friends) are either seeded or appropriately depended upon by other packages. I can confirm that for UEC. -- libvirt packages should not Recommend hypervisor packages https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/556312 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to libvirt in ubuntu. -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
[Bug 556312] Re: libvirt packages should not Recommend hypervisor packages
** Changed in: libvirt (Ubuntu) Assignee: (unassigned) = Dustin Kirkland (kirkland) ** Changed in: libvirt (Ubuntu) Status: Confirmed = In Progress ** Also affects: libvirt (Ubuntu Lucid) Importance: Wishlist Assignee: Dustin Kirkland (kirkland) Status: In Progress -- libvirt packages should not Recommend hypervisor packages https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/556312 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to libvirt in ubuntu. -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
Re: [Bug 556312] Re: libvirt packages should not Recommend hypervisor packages
On Wed, Apr 07, 2010 at 02:16:43PM -, Mathias Gug wrote: I disagree. It wouldn't be found in a Xen installation would it. And if you want to use just remote URIs then ' installing this one without them is perfectly reasonable'. I tend to follow the 80/20 rule. My guess is that 80% of the libvirt installations use qemu-kvm. For the other 20% there is the solution to install libvirt with the '--no-install-recommends' option. Or sudo apt-get install libvirt-bin qemu-kvm-. -- libvirt packages should not Recommend hypervisor packages https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/556312 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to libvirt in ubuntu. -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
[Bug 556312] Re: libvirt packages should not Recommend hypervisor packages
Okay, discussed this further with Jamie in IRC... 1) For Lucid, we're going to leave this as is (libvirt recommending kvm), as this is what our users and documentation have grown to expect up until this point at the release of our LTS 2) For Maverick, we can/should drop this to a libvirt suggests kvm, and add a kvm recommends libvirt-bin 3) For Maverick, we should also split out virsh to its own package, such that you can install it separately ** Changed in: libvirt (Ubuntu Lucid) Status: In Progress = Won't Fix ** Changed in: libvirt (Ubuntu Lucid) Assignee: Dustin Kirkland (kirkland) = (unassigned) ** Changed in: libvirt (Ubuntu) Status: In Progress = Triaged ** Changed in: libvirt (Ubuntu) Assignee: Dustin Kirkland (kirkland) = (unassigned) ** Also affects: qemu-kvm (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided Status: New ** Changed in: qemu-kvm (Ubuntu Lucid) Status: New = Triaged ** Changed in: qemu-kvm (Ubuntu Lucid) Importance: Undecided = Wishlist ** Summary changed: - libvirt packages should not Recommend hypervisor packages + libvirt/kvm relationships (suggest vs. recommend) ** Changed in: qemu-kvm (Ubuntu Lucid) Status: Triaged = Won't Fix ** Changed in: qemu-kvm (Ubuntu) Assignee: (unassigned) = Dustin Kirkland (kirkland) ** Changed in: libvirt (Ubuntu) Assignee: (unassigned) = Dustin Kirkland (kirkland) -- libvirt/kvm relationships (suggest vs. recommend) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/556312 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to qemu-kvm in ubuntu. -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
[Bug 556312] Re: libvirt packages should not Recommend hypervisor packages
See also bug 556326 -- libvirt packages should not Recommend hypervisor packages https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/556312 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to libvirt in ubuntu. -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
[Bug 556312] Re: libvirt packages should not Recommend hypervisor packages
According to the Debian policy: Recommends This declares a strong, but not absolute, dependency. The Recommends field should list packages that would be found together with this one in all but unusual installations. Suggests This is used to declare that one package may be more useful with one or more others. Using this field tells the packaging system and the user that the listed packages are related to this one and can perhaps enhance its usefulness, but that installing this one without them is perfectly reasonable. It seems that Recommends is the best option for qemu-kvm. Note that you can use the --no-install-recommends option with installing the libvirt package. ** Changed in: libvirt (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided = Wishlist ** Changed in: libvirt (Ubuntu) Status: New = Won't Fix -- libvirt packages should not Recommend hypervisor packages https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/556312 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to libvirt in ubuntu. -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
