Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Apologies

[Set Hallstrom]

Thanks for getting back to us and for offering your time and ressources to 
help us! I'm currently in a family reunion and can only surface 
sporadically. I will be back 100% next Wednesday.


torsdagen den 14:e juli 2016 kl. 22:52:36 CEST, C de-Avillez 
 skrev:



It would be nice for someone to contact the other party, as well.

Cheers,

..C..



Prior to adressing the list, i reached out privately to Jimmy and Kaj. In 
all honesty, they were both very short mails. I didn't see any reason to 
develop any argumentation or justifications as to why i adressed them like 
i did, and opted for simply stateing the facts: that i am sorry and what i 
am sorry for. I regret making Jimmy feel rejected and for using provocative 
phrasing and added that i in fact do value his feedback when he finds the 
time for it. With Kaj i regret my wording onlist and in private and added 
that i do not see him like the bad person i painted him as, in the midst of 
my anger.


Kaj responded quickly and humbly, Jimmy is taking his time but i think it 
is fair enough.


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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Apologies

[C de-Avillez]

On Thu, 14 Jul 2016 10:23:39 +0200
Set Hallstrom  wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> First of all: i am very sorry things went so sour in that discussion.
> I feel i owe everyone an apology: I apologize for letting my own
> feelings take the lead. Kaj, Jimmy and the group as a hole.
> 
> Who wants to work with a grumpy extremist with static ways? Not me.
> 
> Many of the blames i formulated were probably aimed at myself: i
> understand this project is not the place to push my freesoftware
> philosophy agenda in 7 steps, to Set us free, hackers, to Set us
> free. I understand i need to leave discussions open for solutions in
> an inclusive way for the benefit of the team and the users, over the
> benefit of my personal integrity. I realize i tend to be triggered by
> the idea of using mainstream media, and i will work on that. While i
> admit still being in the midst of a thought process, for now i can say
> this: i do understand it is up to the community in its entirety; users
> and devels a-like to decide how, when, why and what tools we use. Not
> up to my personal beliefs to determine what is appropriate or not for
> our project. This is our project, not mine.
> 
> I understand i came across as an extremist/purist/grumpycat, but i
> assure you i am not. I am just a pingnu perfectly comfortable with the
> compromises Ubuntu does in order to enable the community to welcome
> users of all levels of computer literacy. If i wasn't comfortable with
> this, i wouldn't be here to begin with. TBH with you and myself, i'm
> still working on understanding what made me allow myself to be
> stubborn and exclusive, and while at the moment i might not be in the
> brightest most secure position in my life away from keyboard, i will
> work hard to address it and to make sure i do not get the community
> mixed up with my moods again.
> 
> I reached out fairly soon the to community council to ask for help but
> they haven't responded yet. In all sincerity, i'm glad they didn't get
> back ASAP, because it let me marinate in my mess for a moment giving
> me time to get back down and reflect upon my own behavior. But i look
> forward to develop contact with them because i think they have
> experiences, tools and ideas we may benefit from. I do not plan to
> bail on you, unless that would be the desire/best-interest of the
> group and i hope you will give me the chance to show you that i can
> learn from my mistakes.

It usually takes some time for us (the CC) to digest an issue. Most of
the times, barging in without a clear understanding of the issues ends
up worse...

We were made aware of it by you, and we do thank you for that. Your
current email is a marvelous step in the right direction (conflict
resolution). We, the CC, will happily help with anything we can do.

But  this is the preferred way for conflicts to be addressed. This
means, as far as I can personally see, that we are already on a path to
recovery. I do hope the other party will be willing to reconsider his
position, or at least be willing to talk with us.

 
> Hopefully, from here we will be able to move forward to release yet
> another great version of Ubuntu Studio in happy collaboration, without
> leaving any mess under the rugg...

It would be nice for someone to contact the other party, as well.

Cheers,

..C..


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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Apologies

[Devin]

Hi,

I know what everyone here does is hard and almost thankless work, so I
just want to say thank you and "I understand" -- I really do; almost all
of my work is in the same "hard and almost thankless" category. :)

Keep up the good fight! You have my full support!

Much love,
Devin

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Apologies

[Kaj Ailomaa]

On Thu, Jul 14, 2016, at 10:23 AM, Set Hallstrom wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> First of all: i am very sorry things went so sour in that discussion. I
> feel i owe everyone an apology: I apologize for letting my own feelings
> take the lead. Kaj, Jimmy and the group as a hole.
> 

I also apologize for the language and attitude that was used on my part.

> Who wants to work with a grumpy extremist with static ways? Not me.
> 
> Many of the blames i formulated were probably aimed at myself: i
> understand this project is not the place to push my freesoftware
> philosophy agenda in 7 steps, to Set us free, hackers, to Set us free. I
> understand i need to leave discussions open for solutions in an
> inclusive way for the benefit of the team and the users, over the
> benefit of my personal integrity. I realize i tend to be triggered by
> the idea of using mainstream media, and i will work on that. While i
> admit still being in the midst of a thought process, for now i can say
> this: i do understand it is up to the community in its entirety; users
> and devels a-like to decide how, when, why and what tools we use. Not up
> to my personal beliefs to determine what is appropriate or not for our
> project. This is our project, not mine.
> 
> I understand i came across as an extremist/purist/grumpycat, but i
> assure you i am not. I am just a pingnu perfectly comfortable with the
> compromises Ubuntu does in order to enable the community to welcome
> users of all levels of computer literacy. If i wasn't comfortable with
> this, i wouldn't be here to begin with. TBH with you and myself, i'm
> still working on understanding what made me allow myself to be stubborn
> and exclusive, and while at the moment i might not be in the brightest
> most secure position in my life away from keyboard, i will work hard to
> address it and to make sure i do not get the community mixed up with my
> moods again.
> 
> I reached out fairly soon the to community council to ask for help but
> they haven't responded yet. In all sincerity, i'm glad they didn't get
> back ASAP, because it let me marinate in my mess for a moment giving me
> time to get back down and reflect upon my own behavior. But i look
> forward to develop contact with them because i think they have
> experiences, tools and ideas we may benefit from. I do not plan to bail
> on you, unless that would be the desire/best-interest of the group and i
> hope you will give me the chance to show you that i can learn from my
> mistakes.
> 
> Hopefully, from here we will be able to move forward to release yet
> another great version of Ubuntu Studio in happy collaboration, without
> leaving any mess under the rugg...
> 
> Yours sincerly,
> 

Thanks for this! 

I at least don't see any reason why the project should not be able to
continue and improve with such an open minded attitude. And, surely, we
are all human and we all make mistakes from time to time.

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Apologies

[Set Hallstrom]

On 2016-07-14 10:23, Set Hallstrom wrote:
> the group as a hole

erm... the group as a whole, of course...

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[ubuntu-studio-devel] Apologies

[Set Hallstrom]

Hi all,

First of all: i am very sorry things went so sour in that discussion. I
feel i owe everyone an apology: I apologize for letting my own feelings
take the lead. Kaj, Jimmy and the group as a hole.

Who wants to work with a grumpy extremist with static ways? Not me.

Many of the blames i formulated were probably aimed at myself: i
understand this project is not the place to push my freesoftware
philosophy agenda in 7 steps, to Set us free, hackers, to Set us free. I
understand i need to leave discussions open for solutions in an
inclusive way for the benefit of the team and the users, over the
benefit of my personal integrity. I realize i tend to be triggered by
the idea of using mainstream media, and i will work on that. While i
admit still being in the midst of a thought process, for now i can say
this: i do understand it is up to the community in its entirety; users
and devels a-like to decide how, when, why and what tools we use. Not up
to my personal beliefs to determine what is appropriate or not for our
project. This is our project, not mine.

I understand i came across as an extremist/purist/grumpycat, but i
assure you i am not. I am just a pingnu perfectly comfortable with the
compromises Ubuntu does in order to enable the community to welcome
users of all levels of computer literacy. If i wasn't comfortable with
this, i wouldn't be here to begin with. TBH with you and myself, i'm
still working on understanding what made me allow myself to be stubborn
and exclusive, and while at the moment i might not be in the brightest
most secure position in my life away from keyboard, i will work hard to
address it and to make sure i do not get the community mixed up with my
moods again.

I reached out fairly soon the to community council to ask for help but
they haven't responded yet. In all sincerity, i'm glad they didn't get
back ASAP, because it let me marinate in my mess for a moment giving me
time to get back down and reflect upon my own behavior. But i look
forward to develop contact with them because i think they have
experiences, tools and ideas we may benefit from. I do not plan to bail
on you, unless that would be the desire/best-interest of the group and i
hope you will give me the chance to show you that i can learn from my
mistakes.

Hopefully, from here we will be able to move forward to release yet
another great version of Ubuntu Studio in happy collaboration, without
leaving any mess under the rugg...

Yours sincerly,


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