Re: [ubuntu-uk] Broken Synaptic

2008-02-20 Thread Andrew Oakley
taufanlubis wrote:
 If you use proxy or firewall, don't forget to open port 53.
 It's used by Ubuntu to get update from Repository Server

Um... port 53 is DNS. It is used by everything from Ping through 
Firefox. It is the system that translates doman names such as 
www.bbc.co.uk to numbers such as 123.45.6.7 - in the same way that 
you can't dial the name Dominos Pizza from your telephone; you have to 
look up their telephone number.

Without DNS your system is basically not going to be able to use the 
internet in any common way.

Your comment is correct - port 53 IS required by Synaptic - but it is 
also required by almost every other internet-aware program in the world. 
If port 53 was blocked, you would probably be aware of a lot of other 
problems long before you realised Synaptic was broken.

For example, if port 53 was blocked, you wouldn't be able to receive 
email and you wouldn't be able to read the ubuntu-uk list. Therefore I 
think we can rule this out as the problem.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] ONE laptop

2008-02-20 Thread Alan Pope
On Tue, Feb 19, 2008 at 07:57:02PM +, LeeGroups wrote:
 IPCop on, it's making me grin already...
 

Ooo, now you're talking.

 Onboard 54G wireless to WPA connect to the laptop - Check...

(optional)

 Hmmm
 

:)

Cheers.
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] 'The One': new low-priced laptop with linux inside

2008-02-20 Thread James Grabham
On Feb 18, 2008 9:04 AM, Alan Pope [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Mon, 2008-02-18 at 00:02 +, James Grabham wrote:
  WOW
  I REALLY WANT ONE!!!
 

 Have you read the specification of that thing?

 300MHz CPU.


Yeah, thats what Arch is for!



  The reason I never got an eee was the ridiculous price - £220!!??
 

 It's clearly not that ridiculous or they wouldn't have flown off the
 shelves in the vast numbers that they have.


£220 for a laptop which doesnt have a real keyboard, has a tiny screen, and
is generally just unusable (I have used one, Its awfull since I havs stubby
fingers, and since Im short sighted)  I could get a much better used
thinkpad X30 for the price.  £100 is an acceptable price though, not as a
main laptop, but as essentially a large PDA, which is what I want this for.


  I will start saving ASAP
 

 If I were you I'd wait for the 8GB eee to come out and pick up a 2nd
 hand 4GB ee which I'm sure some people would sell to upgrade :)


hmm, I dunno



  (Being 15, money is always scarce)
 

 Yeah, I remember those days :(  eek, 20 years ago!


lol




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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Notebook Problems

2008-02-20 Thread Jai Harrison
Hey Garry,

As I said above it turned out the problem wasn't with Ubuntu Satanic
Edition but with the Power Management in Ubuntu. Blank Screen on
When laptop is closed is definitely the cause of this (although it
may only apply to the intel driver as I haven't tried it with vesa).

I'd like to take a moment to congratulate you on Ubuntu Satanic
Edition. I personally use the bootup/down part and the Eternal
Damnation screensaver (as the rest doesn't match my specific tastes)
and these work a treat.

Jai

On 2/19/08, parker13 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Alan Pope-2 wrote:
 
  Create a new user under your current install, and start from scratch. If
  the system still fails then it isn't something in your ~
 

 That's a good suggestion and I'd be interested to know whether it worked.

 I'm the creator of Ubuntu Satanic Edition and if it's causing problems on
 people's notebooks I'd like to know about it. All I can think of is that the
 gnome theme uses the Aurora GTK engine:

 http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Aurora+Gtk+Engine?content=56438

 This is a fairly heavyweight theme engine and *maybe* this is the issue.
 However, it's the first I've heard of any such thing.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Notebook Problems

2008-02-20 Thread London School of Puppetry
On 20/02/2008, Jai Harrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hey Garry,

 As I said above it turned out the problem wasn't with Ubuntu Satanic
 Edition but with the Power Management in Ubuntu. Blank Screen on
 When laptop is closed is definitely the cause of this (although it
 may only apply to the intel driver as I haven't tried it with vesa).

 I'd like to take a moment to congratulate you on Ubuntu Satanic
 Edition. I personally use the bootup/down part and the Eternal
 Damnation screensaver (as the rest doesn't match my specific tastes)
 and these work a treat.

 Jai

 On 2/19/08, parker13 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
  Alan Pope-2 wrote:
  
   Create a new user under your current install, and start from scratch.
 If
   the system still fails then it isn't something in your ~
  
 
  That's a good suggestion and I'd be interested to know whether it
 worked.
 
  I'm the creator of Ubuntu Satanic Edition and if it's causing problems
 on
  people's notebooks I'd like to know about it. All I can think of is that
 the
  gnome theme uses the Aurora GTK engine:
 
 
 http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Aurora+Gtk+Engine?content=56438
 
  This is a fairly heavyweight theme engine and *maybe* this is the issue.
  However, it's the first I've heard of any such thing.
 
  Garry.
 




Dear Garry
 I find it curious that such loaded names: Satanic and Eternal Damnation
 are used with the extremely user friendly term UBUNTU. How were they thought
 up? Makes Ubuntu sound like a student project.  Just a thought.


Caroline

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Notebook Problems

2008-02-20 Thread parker13

Dear Garry
 I find it curious that such loaded names: Satanic and Eternal Damnation
 are used with the extremely user friendly term UBUNTU. How were they
 thought
 up? Makes Ubuntu sound like a student project.  Just a thought.

Hi Caroline,

Ubuntu Satanic Edition is tongue-in-cheek, really, and should not be taken
too seriously. It started off because I thought that Ubuntu Christian
Edition was a daft idea and I did a few wallpapers and it grew from there.

It's now quite a comprehensive set of themes for people who like their
desktops dark red/yellow/black instead of the standard brown. I take my
inspiration from heavy rock music and album covers and quite a few people
seem to like it.

The ironic thing is that I kind of now see where the guys at Ubuntu
Christian Edition are coming from and I get on with its creator, Jereme,
quite well. Not everyone has the knowledge (or inclination) to customise
their Linux system and if we spread the word to a wider audience then that's
great.

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[ubuntu-uk] FW: [UKUUG-Announce] Call for Participation - OpenTech 2008

2008-02-20 Thread Alan Pope
Thought this may interest some of you:-


 From: Jane Morrison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 09:56:54 +
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [UKUUG-Announce] Call for Participation - OpenTech 2008


 OpenTech is an informal, low-cost one-day grassroots event that we put
 on every couple of years for people in the UK to get together and talk
 about digital technology, its impacts on society and - newly added
 this year - the environment.  In previous years we heard from the
 founder of the Internet Archive and the man behind BitTorrent, saw the
 launch of TheyWorkForYou.com, and triggered the creation of the Open
 Rights Group.  We also had a presentation from a chap who'd made a
 semi-reliable clock out of an old PC and a prawn sandwich, so it's not
 all serious stuff.

 We're accepting proposals for talks between today and the 31st March,
 The full details are below, and there's more information on our
 website (http://www.ukuug.org/events/opentech2008/).




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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Notebook Problems

2008-02-20 Thread London School of Puppetry
On 20/02/2008, parker13 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Dear Garry
  I find it curious that such loaded names: Satanic and Eternal Damnation
  are used with the extremely user friendly term UBUNTU. How were they
  thought
  up? Makes Ubuntu sound like a student project.  Just a thought.


 Hi Caroline,

 Ubuntu Satanic Edition is tongue-in-cheek, really, and should not be taken
 too seriously. It started off because I thought that Ubuntu Christian
 Edition was a daft idea and I did a few wallpapers and it grew from there.

 It's now quite a comprehensive set of themes for people who like their
 desktops dark red/yellow/black instead of the standard brown. I take my
 inspiration from heavy rock music and album covers and quite a few people
 seem to like it.

 The ironic thing is that I kind of now see where the guys at Ubuntu
 Christian Edition are coming from and I get on with its creator, Jereme,
 quite well. Not everyone has the knowledge (or inclination) to customise
 their Linux system and if we spread the word to a wider audience then
 that's
 great.

 Hi Garry,


I find your reply really interesting- and I really think that Ubuntu is
something special and it is great that customising is so important to you
all- but was it the Christians who thought up using the word Ubuntu?  I ask
because I noticed in the local church rag- they had a whole sermonette using
Ubuntu (the south african word) as the central idea.

Caroline


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] 'The One': new low-priced laptop with linux inside

2008-02-20 Thread LeeGroups

  The reason I never got an eee was the ridiculous price - £220!!??
 

 It's clearly not that ridiculous or they wouldn't have flown off the
 shelves in the vast numbers that they have.


 £220 for a laptop which doesnt have a real keyboard, has a tiny 
 screen, and is generally just unusable (I have used one, Its awfull 
 since I havs stubby fingers, and since Im short sighted)  I could get 
 a much better used thinkpad X30 for the price.  £100 is an acceptable 
 price though, not as a main laptop, but as essentially a large PDA, 
 which is what I want this for.
Woah! Hold on there...

That's your opinion, In my humble opinion (as I've actually owned an Eee 
PC since they came out), it's a stunning bit of kit. It's got superb 
build quality for £200, it does have a 'real' keyboard, granted it's 
something like 80% of size of a full sized keyboard, but it's a tiny 
machine, it's supposed to be a tiny machine, so it's GOT to have a 
smaller keyboard. And yes, I do have sausage fingers, but after a few 
hours use, it feels like a normal sized keyboard to me now.
Yes, you could get an old laptop for £200, but you couldn't stick an old 
laptop in a large coat pocket, could you?
Yes, £100 would be a much better price, but be realistic, there is £150+ 
worth of hardware in there, so they couldn't sell it for £100
as a main laptop - of course not, it's not designed to be a main 
laptop/PC, it's a tiny low powered, easily portable laptop - that's the 
point. The thing is tiny, the charger is tiny (like a mobile phone 
charger) - it fits in backpack hardly taking up any room. As for a large 
PDA... how many PDAs offer that kind of functionality???

You seem to have completely missed the point, it's not designed to be a 
cheap laptop, it's designed to a small laptop. The price is a bonus, 
given that UMPCs like to VAIOs cost £1200...


  I will start saving ASAP
 

 If I were you I'd wait for the 8GB eee to come out and pick up a 2nd
 hand 4GB ee which I'm sure some people would sell to upgrade :)

The thing is that the 8GB has been promised and rumoured for 2+ months 
now, and increase of flash memory, its only going to add to the price of 
the Eee2.
Given that Play.com are selling high speed 4GB SDHC cards for £10 inc 
postage, it seems daft to wait...
And who's going to sell if they can up the memory to 8GB for £10, and 
keep another 4GB taped to the underside of the case... :)

Best Eee PC comedy moment so far?
Sat in Wetherspoons with a friend of mine, the day after I go it, using 
Wetherspoons free wifi connection and the built in webcam to have a 
Skype video chat with a friend of ours in the next town...  Geeks huh?
#2 is reading my email in the car going down the M1 (no I wasn't 
driving) with a bluetooth connection to my phone and the phones 3G data 
connection... LOL not tried a Skype video chat in a moving car yet...




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[ubuntu-uk] It's an Ibex!

2008-02-20 Thread John Levin
Next version of Ubuntu is named The Intrepid Ibex, with a special focus 
on Internet aspects and mobile desktops (both of especial interest to me)

Next Ubuntu Dev summit is in Prague in May - within reach of the UK.

John


 Original Message 


With Hardy now past feature-freeze it's time to start to plan
features that are being lined up for inclusion after Ubuntu 8.04 LTS
is released in April.

And so I'd like to introduce you to the Intrepid Ibex, the release
which is planned for October 2008, and which is likely to have the
version number 8.10.

During the 8.10 cycle we will be venturing into interesting new
territory, and we'll need the rugged adventurousness of a mountain
goat to navigate tricky terrain. Our desktop offering will once
again be a focal point as we re-engineer the user interaction model
so that Ubuntu works as well on a high-end workstation as it does on
a feisty little subnotebook. We'll also be reaching new peaks of
performance - aiming to make the mobile desktop as productive as
possible.

A particular focus for us will be pervasive internet access, the
ability to tap into bandwidth whenever and wherever you happen to
be. No longer will you need to be a tethered, domesticated animal -
you'll be able to roam (and goats do roam!) the wild lands and
access the web through a variety of wireless technologies. We want
you to be able to move from the office, to the train, and home,
staying connected all the way.

The Intrepid Ibex will take shape at our next Ubuntu Developer
Summit, an open event to which members of the Ubuntu community,
upstream communities, corporate developers and other distributions
are all invited. That summit takes place in beautiful Prague, in the
Czech Republic from 19th - 23rd May 2008. Together we will draw up
detailed blueprints for Ubuntu 8.10. Please join us there to help
define the Intrepid Ibex:

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS-Intrepid

Ubuntu 8.10 will be our ninth release, and the fourth anniversary of
the first release - 4.10. In those four years, Ubuntu has grown as a
project, an ethos and a community. The Ubuntu community have worked
to set the benchmark for open, inclusive, and collaborative
development processes. We have open specifications, open governance
structures and a willingness to empower everyone to make their
unique contribution to the success of the project.

This has created an extraordinary diversity in participation; a
depth of talent including packagers, programmers, translators,
writers, testers, advocates, technical support, artists and many
others. Those contributions come as much from the corporate world -
Canonical and other companies that have embraced Ubuntu as a core of
their offering - as from a huge number of individual professionals.
It is this combination of expertise and perspectives that makes it
such a pleasure for me to be part of this project, and I thank all
of you for your continued passion, participation, and energy.

Hardy is our best development cycle yet, delivering on our promise
of reliability and stability for the Heron. We must stay focused on
that goal. To the extent that you have a brilliant idea for the
future, you now have a peg to hang it on - the Intrepid Ibex. When
the Hardy Heron has taken flight we will engage fully with the Ibex.
Give it horns!

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Notebook Problems

2008-02-20 Thread Andrew Oakley
London School of Puppetry wrote:
 you all- but was it the Christians who thought up using the word 
 Ubuntu?  I ask because I noticed in the local church rag- they had a 
 whole sermonette using Ubuntu (the south african word) as the central idea.

You're confusing several different things.

Ubuntu philosophy is an African tribal philosophy concerning a number 
of subjects including community and respect for others. It predates the 
European invasions of sub-Saharan Africa by many centuries and is not 
related to Christianity. A number of Anglican priests have adopted this 
philosophy in order to ingratiate the Anglican church with huge African 
populations, in the same way that the Roman church picked the 25th of 
December to celebrate Christmas, in order to ingratiate themselves with 
their huge Pagan populations who liked to celebrate Winter Solstice (the 
exact birthdate of Jesus is not known, however it is known that Romans 
did not conduct censuses during the winter, and that Jesus was born 
during a Roman census, ergo Jesus was not born in winter).

Ubuntu Linux, also known as Ubuntu GNU/Linux, is an open source 
computer operating system based on the Linux kernel and GNU toolset, 
funded by a South African millionaire. It is named after the African 
philosophy, as a reference to its open source roots.

Ubuntu Christian Edition is a customisation of Ubuntu Linux which adds 
Christian related imagery and Christian related programs such as a Bible 
reader.

Ubuntu Satanic Edition is a customisation of Ubuntu Linux which adds 
imagery related to Heavy Metal popular music and the Horror film genre. 
To the best of my knowledge it contains no Satanic religious material 
other than a few phrases which have entered popular culture (in any 
case, modern Satanism is mainly about self-empowerment and personal 
fulfilment, having little to do with criminal behaviour or the 
supernatural).

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[ubuntu-uk] Halifax online banking

2008-02-20 Thread alan c
I was with a friend today who was having troubles getting signed in to 
their fairly new Halifax online banking account.

The Halifax site advice about browsers includes firefox version 2.0 
and version 2.0.0.12 was being used, the Halifax online browser test 
passed ok 'Your browser is ok' thing.

However, login failed with firefox. Konqueror got a successful login. 
Great. However, a short time later, login failed (with konqueror).

After the one successful konqueror login, I was interested to see an 
icon in the corner of the screen indicating that konqueror declared 
that there was some incorrect code on the site :-(

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] 'The One': new low-priced laptop with linux inside

2008-02-20 Thread Matt
LeeGroups wrote:
  The reason I never got an eee was the ridiculous price - £220!!??
 

 It's clearly not that ridiculous or they wouldn't have flown off the
 shelves in the vast numbers that they have.


 £220 for a laptop which doesnt have a real keyboard, has a tiny 
 screen, and is generally just unusable (I have used one, Its awfull 
 since I havs stubby fingers, and since Im short sighted)  I could get 
 a much better used thinkpad X30 for the price.  £100 is an acceptable 
 price though, not as a main laptop, but as essentially a large PDA, 
 which is what I want this for.
 
 Woah! Hold on there...

 That's your opinion, In my humble opinion (as I've actually owned an Eee 
 PC since they came out), it's a stunning bit of kit. It's got superb 
 build quality for £200, it does have a 'real' keyboard, granted it's 
 something like 80% of size of a full sized keyboard, but it's a tiny 
 machine, it's supposed to be a tiny machine, so it's GOT to have a 
 smaller keyboard. And yes, I do have sausage fingers, but after a few 
 hours use, it feels like a normal sized keyboard to me now.
 Yes, you could get an old laptop for £200, but you couldn't stick an old 
 laptop in a large coat pocket, could you?
 Yes, £100 would be a much better price, but be realistic, there is £150+ 
 worth of hardware in there, so they couldn't sell it for £100
 as a main laptop - of course not, it's not designed to be a main 
 laptop/PC, it's a tiny low powered, easily portable laptop - that's the 
 point. The thing is tiny, the charger is tiny (like a mobile phone 
 charger) - it fits in backpack hardly taking up any room. As for a large 
 PDA... how many PDAs offer that kind of functionality???

 You seem to have completely missed the point, it's not designed to be a 
 cheap laptop, it's designed to a small laptop. The price is a bonus, 
 given that UMPCs like to VAIOs cost £1200...
   
  I will start saving ASAP
 

 If I were you I'd wait for the 8GB eee to come out and pick up a 2nd
 hand 4GB ee which I'm sure some people would sell to upgrade :)

 
 The thing is that the 8GB has been promised and rumoured for 2+ months 
 now, and increase of flash memory, its only going to add to the price of 
 the Eee2.
 Given that Play.com are selling high speed 4GB SDHC cards for £10 inc 
 postage, it seems daft to wait...
 And who's going to sell if they can up the memory to 8GB for £10, and 
 keep another 4GB taped to the underside of the case... :)

 Best Eee PC comedy moment so far?
 Sat in Wetherspoons with a friend of mine, the day after I go it, using 
 Wetherspoons free wifi connection and the built in webcam to have a 
 Skype video chat with a friend of ours in the next town...  Geeks huh?
 #2 is reading my email in the car going down the M1 (no I wasn't 
 driving) with a bluetooth connection to my phone and the phones 3G data 
 connection... LOL not tried a Skype video chat in a moving car yet...




   
The barista in caffe nero was very interested in mine, I use it to type 
up my college work whilst waiting for the bus. I practically use it as 
my main machine, I have all my emails, and use it for typing long essays 
etc when I am at college. There is nothing else comparative available in 
the UK at the moment, about the closest thing in size is the sony 
picturebook, which is horrifically expensive.

The keyboard is OK, you get used to the little keys after a while. I 
wish it had a longer battery life, hopefully asus will catch up with the 
supply of batteries so there can be some going into retail channels.

I could not fit another laptop(even a 12 inch one) in with my folders 
and various other stuff(Large amounts of Mars planets usually) The size 
is ideal to just chuck in a bag with the slip cover on.

I think the £220 price is amazingly cheap, for the build quality 
espescially. I also have a Pentium 3 Toshiba Tecra, that when new was 
the top of the line laptop, (Going back some years admittedly) and that 
feels far flimsier than the EEE. Nothing squeaks, shakes or rattles at all.

The price of a High end PDA is about the same as the EEE, I know which 
one would be more useful.

I am using the sd card as a swap area until I pop some more ram into it. 
This seems to work well, although it does limit storage potential. 

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Halifax online banking

2008-02-20 Thread reyasuk
I have a Halifax online account and I have just logged into it 
successfully using Firefox 2.0.0.12.

Jen
Gutsy 7.10 gnome
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu: Linux for Auntie

2008-02-20 Thread Rob Beard
Kris Douglas wrote:

 I think something like a theme selector should be added to the setup,
 for example you could select bluebuntu(blubuntu?) or another colour
 scheme of your choice. Then you could go in to choosing window
 managers, rather than having to download different disks...
 

I think part of the point about having one window manager on the disc is 
to keep down the space used, otherwise you're looking at either a DVD 
install or multiple CDs which wouldn't work for a live CD.

Not to mention, if you're just demonstrating Linux, it's much easier to 
just give out a live CD which just boots into a working desktop than be 
bogged down with questions.

Personally I like brown theme, it's easier on the eyes for me.  Oh and 
Sean, how do you mean it looks so 1990's?

Windows 3.1, 95, 98, NT and ME* all didn't have brown colour schemes. 
If you ask me it looks nice with the high quality high colour Gnome (or 
KDE) icons and the *nix desktop has come along way since the days of the 
Motif window manager.

Anyway, I hope that it gives this guy at the BBC a good feel for the 
alternatives to Windows.  Most (sadly not all) of the people I've 
demontstrated Ubuntu to who have later moved over have been impressed 
and pretty much all stuck with Ubuntu.

Rob

* Same applies for OS/2, and MacOS, they weren't brown either.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] 'The One': new low-priced laptop with linux inside

2008-02-20 Thread Rob Beard
John Levin wrote:

 Anyone have any idea what distro 
 it will be running?
 
 John
 

According to The Inquirer (link: 
http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/02/20/elonex-100-laptop-specs-leaked)
 
it's going to be running Debian.

At first I thought it might be Arm based since Debian has an Arm port 
(and because ARM chips are low power, cheap etc) but then I found 
details of the Vortex86 system on a chip, I haven't got the link to the 
site I found earlier (I submitted it to the comments on The Inquirer but 
it's not come up at the moment), but I found this...

http://www.vortex86sx.com/products.html

It fits the bill, the other site was talking about an embedded PC board 
with 128MB DDR2 memory on there, so I assume they might have been able 
to either use a load of these boards (iirc the size was about 3 inches 
square) or some custom made.

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[ubuntu-uk] Sticky Problem

2008-02-20 Thread Christopher Chatfield

I often see tick boxes with sticky as the tag.

I havent grasped it's meaning intuitively, could someone
explain this term?

Thank You

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[ubuntu-uk] Google Funds Work for Photoshop on Linux

2008-02-20 Thread Chris Rowson
http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/02/20/1837204

'Nuff said... :-D

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Sticky Problem

2008-02-20 Thread Dave Morley

On Wed, 2008-02-20 at 20:49 +, Christopher Chatfield wrote:
 I often see tick boxes with sticky as the tag.
 
 I havent grasped it's meaning intuitively, could someone
 explain this term?
 
 Thank You
 
 Chris
 
Sticky as I understand it is based on a sticky note.  Ie it's a note
that doesn't move.  If you want a wiki with TC of use you can make it
sticky and it should appear at the top of every page.
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Halifax online banking

2008-02-20 Thread alan c
reyasuk wrote:
 I have a Halifax online account and I have just logged into it 
 successfully using Firefox 2.0.0.12.
 Jen
 Gutsy 7.10 gnome

Thanks.
Friend was using 7.04 kubuntu, but I would be a bit surprised if these 
would cause differences. I can take round a laptop with 7.10 and 
choice of gnone/kde and try a bit more. (The friend is currently 
annoyed enough to want to give it a rest though!)
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Google Funds Work for Photoshop on Linux

2008-02-20 Thread Johnathon Tinsley

- Gavin Ford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 09:51:24PM +, Jai Harrison wrote:
  Is this is what the effects of a difficult user interface in the
 GIMP are?
 
 I really like the interface on The GIMP and it does everything I need,
 but there
 are some features that photographers working in print need that the
 GIMP doesn't
 yet have.
 
 Why google are spending money on WINE and Photoshop rather than adding
 those 
 features to GIMP I don't know.
 
 It would seem to me that adding these features to GIMP would provide
 them to 
 everyone for free forever, while propping up WINE+Photoshop is only
 good for 
 owners of the current version of Photoshop.
 


By design, WINE is complete when it can replicate and translate all of windows 
programming system signals. By doing this, google will make the entire WINE 
base a bit more stable, rather than less, which means this will probably help 
many more programs become more compatible than just Photoshop.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Google Funds Work for Photoshop on Linux

2008-02-20 Thread Jai Harrison
On 2/20/08, Matt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Jai Harrison wrote:
   Is this is what the effects of a difficult user interface in the GIMP are?

 Different is not the same as difficult, it is just a different way of
  working. It does not take a long time to get used to really, the same as
  it take time to learn how to use Photoshop or Paint Shop Pro.


I disagree. The GIMP has a difficult user interface. Photoshop was
extremely easy to learn to use where as I've never managed to get
anywhere with GIMP. The way it is now whenever I need a photo edited
or an image created/modified I ask a Windows/Photoshop user to do the
task for me - that's definitely not the intended result.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Google Funds Work for Photoshop on Linux

2008-02-20 Thread Chris Rowson
   By design, WINE is complete when it can replicate and translate all of 
 windows
   programming system signals. By doing this, google will make the entire WINE
   base a bit more stable, rather than less, which means this will probably 
 help
   many more programs become more compatible than just Photoshop.

  Very true, but Windows is a moving target.  WINE needs constant work to 
 follow
  that so I appreciate any help they get.

  However the more closed source applications that can be replaced with full
  featured and complete open source applications the better for everyone.

  In an ideal world, we wouldn't need WINE at all.  But the reality is many 
 people
  do.


   -Gav

I think that when any business is willing to put money into making
Linux more compatible with mainstream software like photoshop then we
can only say thanks and give them our support.

Chris

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Halifax online banking

2008-02-20 Thread Chris Smith
alan c wrote:
 Anyone have a halifax online account?

I have been using Halifax online banking since Edgy with no problems.


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