Re: [ubuntu-uk] [OT] Ubuntu Cola!
On 26/02/2008, Tony Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tony Arnold wrote: Kris, Kris Douglas wrote: [...] Is this proper Ubuntu-as-in-Linux cola? Or just because of South African etc... No, it has nothing to do with Ubuntu Linux. They've just coined the African word. Furthermore, something we could look at is making OpenCola for our Ubuntu events :) Hmm, interesting! Hello, Tony. I think it's the other way around - Canonical adopted the name Ubuntu to describe the philosophy of their project just as the Fair-Trade people have adopted the name Ubuntu for their Cola. As I understand it, people have 'Ubuntu' if they show humanity to others: http://www.ubuntu.upc.edu/ Seems a pretty good model for a Linux distribution to follow too ;-) Tony. -- Dr. A.J.Travis, | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Rowett Research Institute, |http://www.rri.sari.ac.uk/~ajt Greenburn Road, Bucksburn, | phone:+44 (0)1224 712751 Aberdeen AB21 9SB, Scotland, UK.| fax:+44 (0)1224 716687 This is from the parish magazine for February (Grassington North Yorks) There's a special word in the Nguni languages of South Africa: Ubuntu. Ubuntu doesn't translate into English but its a word that describes the essence of being human. I am a person because of you. I am human because I belong. My life is bound up and tied to together with yours- not just with my close family and friends but with everyone's. A person with Ubuntu is welcoming, hospitable, warm and generous and recognises others as persons. A person has Ubuntu if he or she knows that our lives and the world around us are delicately knit together and completely interdependent. Caroline -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- --- London School of Puppetry www.londonschoolofpuppetry.com -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Fwd: OT: Small tremor just now? Earthquake?
On Wed, 2008-02-27 at 07:55 +, Tony Arnold wrote: Kris, Kris Douglas wrote: -- Forwarded message -- From: Kris Douglas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 1:03 AM Subject: OT: Small tremor just now? Earthquake? To: StaffSlug Linux UserGroup [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm no geologist.. But at 12:57 on 27th... I felt the whole house shake... as in my monitor was moving, as was the stuff in my cupboard... and there were no large vehicles passing outside. The feeling was very weird, I couldn't say it was an earthquake... but It was damn weird. Thought I'd just let you know. I'm in Staffordshire near Leek and Cheadle... FYI. Yep, felt it here in Stockport too! It woke me up! Regards, Tony. -- Tony Arnold, IT Security Coordinator, University of Manchester, IT Services Division, Kilburn Building, Oxford Road, Manchester M13 9PL. T: +44 (0)161 275 6093, F: +44 (0)870 136 1004, M: +44 (0)773 330 0039 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED], H: http://www.man.ac.uk/Tony.Arnold I woke up, mainly because people were txting me to see if I felt it, but I do vaguely remember something that made me stir. I live in Skendleby, kind of mid way between skegness and ludborough the reported epicentre (nr Market Rasin) my main concern was my sister in Gainsbourgh and the school. They seam to have had the brunt of it with quite a few chimneys and the like falling, and in Skegness it caused a fire apparently but I can't find anywhere I can confirm that. I am surprised that Grimsby didn't catch it hot though, its even nearer. Then again I'm no geologist so I don't know about patterns of destruction given off by a quake. Kind regards -- Alistair Crust [EMAIL PROTECTED] Systems Administrator Skegness Grammar School Vernon Road Skegness Lincs PE252QS Tel: 0175461 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu spotting
On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 6:53 PM, Alan Pope [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm thinking about starting a new sport called Ubuntu Spotting. Using your keen eye, look out for indications of Ubuntu use in every day life. Points are awarded for spotting:- * Machines running Ubuntu * Articles about Ubuntu in mainstream press * Official Ubuntu shipit CDs * Overhearing people talking about Ubuntu * Spotting references to Ubuntu on other peoples computers * (suggestions?) Of course points can only be awarded if you happened upon these things, and not if you personally influenced their use or placement. I guess many of us play this game subconciously really, but I think we should be more active in this sport, and promote its play. I had one of these today.. I got called into a workshop style meeting at $work where a representative from $large_software_vendor came in to talk about their $fantastic_product. He put up his laptop PC on the projector and in amongst the mess of icons on his Windows XP desktop I spotted an Ubuntu ISO image. Probably not worth many points in this game, but still, a spot is a spot! Have you spotted today? Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ Around a year ago I was having my hair cut, the barber and another guy were talking about this thing called Ubuntu - apparently it's like Windows but better. Made my day to hear it :-) How about putting your old/used/spare ShipIt CDs in interestingly amusing places? Kris -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Fwd: OT: Small tremor just now? Earthquake?
I'm in Huddersfield in W.Yorkshire. Me and the wife slept through it, the wife's father and sister was woken by a bang about 0100hrs. I think that people who live in California will probably be amused by the reaction the event has generated ;-) Kris Douglas wrote: -- Forwarded message -- From: Kris Douglas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 1:03 AM Subject: OT: Small tremor just now? Earthquake? To: StaffSlug Linux UserGroup [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm no geologist.. But at 12:57 on 27th... I felt the whole house shake... as in my monitor was moving, as was the stuff in my cupboard... and there were no large vehicles passing outside. The feeling was very weird, I couldn't say it was an earthquake... but It was damn weird. Thought I'd just let you know. I'm in Staffordshire near Leek and Cheadle... FYI. -- Kris Douglas Softdel Limited Hosting Services Web: www.softdel.net Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Fwd: OT: Small tremor just now? Earthquake?
I'm just the other side of the Humber and had gone to bed early only to be awoken by my other half. Missus Chris, wake up - there's been an earthquake Me Don't be daft ZZZzzz Chris -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Accounting software ?
Hi Guys many thanks for the suggestions, they have all been passed on to She who must be obeyed :) Andy - Salisbury Andy Watts wrote: Hi People l'm interested to know whether there is a Linux alternative to Sage.. l might be able to get my wife to start using Ubuntu if there's something available that will allow her to import customers data properly. __ Andy - Salisbury The wrong side of 40 but having fun with Linux Thanks http://ubuntuforums.org/post_thanks.php?do=post_thanks_addp=4401348 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Switched hard drives
Many many thanks for the information :) It was humourous and informative.. Andy Andrew Oakley wrote: Andy Watts wrote: Chris Rowson wrote: l have 2 hard drives in my machine, 1 with windows 2k and the other with Ubuntu on it. l've tried having them both connected to the same ribbon and rebooting with either of the 2 hard drives powered. Sadly it doesn't seem to work so l wonder whether there's a solution..Both drives are set as masters.. l don't want to have both OSs on the same hard drive Okay, that tells us what you DON'T want to do. ;-) What is it that you DO want to do? * Dual boot using separate hard drives? * Have removable drives? * Something else? What? Also... are you using IDE/ATA drives (wide flat ribbon) or SATA (thin cable)? I'm assuming you've got a boot loader (Windows - NT loader I think? - or GRUB for Linux) installed on one of the hard drives. You'll need this on the bootable drive so that your PC knows where the operating system resides. I think Andy might be trying to switch off (electrically) one or other IDE hard drives... if so, a boot loader on only one of those drives won't help. I suspect Andy is fundamentally misunderstanding the relationship between master/slave and boot options. I suspect Andy thinks a drive has to be master to be bootable (which is incorrect). l did try setting both to masters, installing a switch on the -ve rail of the 2 molexes. Sadly it didn't work :( Yeah, that really won't. Why have you set them both as masters on the same cable? * You want removable drives (because you're clever, and you might want to move the drive to another PC one day), or you want to be able to entirely switch off a drive (because you're trying to run on the absolute minimum current draw, perhaps because your machine is running from 12V DC battery such as a car or van, or because you're just REALLY stingy with the electricity bill) In this case, buy a removable drive caddy or a USB external drive enclosure. Removable caddies are about ten quid and fit into a 5.25 CD/DVD slot. (Note that the environmental cost of manufacturing the caddy will vastly exceed the environmental cost of leaving the second drive switched on, in case you think this is some kind of green option; unused drives will switch into low-power mode anyway) * You want to dual boot in the traditional manner Set one as master and put your boot loader on it, such as GRUB. Configure this one boot loader to offer the option to boot off either drive. See the GRUB documentation or ask here for more help configuring GRUB across two drives (clue: HD0, HD1). Set the other as slave. You won't need a boot loader on the slave, since the boot loader on the master drive will be able to boot off either drive (and indeed off any other connected bootable device). * You want to dual boot through BIOS (because you hate configuring boot loaders, and your BIOS offers a simple boot menu such as Dell's F12 option, and you're just a bit awkward like that) Set one as master and the other as slave. The BIOS boot options will allow you to boot off drive 0, drive 1 etc. Note that this still won't allow you to switch off the unused drive whilst the PC is running. But it will allow you to remove/disconnect the slave drive (but not the master) once the PC is switched off. * You don't want removable drives but you are determined to have two bootable drives that are masters (because both of the hard drives have had their master/slave jumpers permanently forced into the master position in an unfortunate but surprisingly selective accident with a soldering iron / tube of superglue / welding rod, OR, your hard drives are set to master by default and you've lost the jumpers) Install the drives on separate cables. Change the jumpers on your CD/DVD drive to be a slave. (I have some spare hard drive jumpers if you want one? Send an SAE to A Oakley, 7 Frampton Cottages, GL20 8NX) -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Miro talk in London, March 12th
Hi all, Below, details of an event I'm organising, which should be of interest to those of you in the London area. Apologies if the list gets it twice, but my email has been playing up. John HOLMES WILSON TALKS AT GLLUG, March 12th 2008. The Greater London Linux User Group (GLLUG) announces a special guest appearance from Holmes Wilson of Miro at the University of Westminster, Cavendish Street Campus, on Wednesday March 12th 2008, at 7pm. Miro is free, non-profit, open-source software for watching video online that was downloaded over 2 million times last year. Wilson will be talking about why Miro's free, open-source approach is essential for fully realizing the socially transforming power of internet video, and about why it's important for the desktop linux movement. There will be time for questions, and drinks afterwards at the King and Queen public house round the corner. All welcome. No charge. Date: 7pm, Wednesday March 12th. Venue: University of Westmins School of Infomatics 115 New Cavendish Street, London W1W 6UW Nearest underground stations: Great Portland Street, Warren Street, Goodge Street. http://www.wmin.ac.uk/cscs/page-49 King and Queen 1 Foley Street London W1P 7LE http://www.beerintheevening.com/pubs/s/91/913/King_and_Queen/Fitzrovia About Holmes Wilson: Holmes Wilson is a co-founder of Participatory Culture Foundation / Miro. Previously, he helped start the Worcester Computer Co-op (an organization that uses free software and recycled computers to start computer labs in his city) and OpenCongress.org (a government transparency project that gathers information on US legislation). About Miro: Miro is a free open-source desktop video application that is designed to make mass media more open and accessible for everyone. Television is the most popular medium in our culture. But broadcast and cable TV has always been controlled by a small number of big corporations. We believe that the internet provides an opportunity to open television in ways that have never been possible before. Miro is designed to eliminate gatekeepers. Viewers can connect to any video provider that they want. This frees creators to use the video hosting setup that works best for them-- whether they choose to self-publish or use a service. It's the kind of openness that the internet allows and that we should all demand. http://www.getmiro.com/ About the Participatory Culture Foundation (PCF): Participatory Culture Foundation is a 501c3 non-profit based in Worcester, MA. It was founded in 2005 with a mission to build tools and services that give people more ways to engage in their culture. Miro is its core project. http://participatoryculture.org/ About the Greater London Linux User Group: GLLUG is a diverse group of people from all walks of life who just happen to share an interest in the GNU/Linux operating system. We communicate mostly using a mailing list and discuss all aspects of using and promoting Linux and open source software in general. GLLUG organises regular meetings for members to get together. There is no formal membership, just join the mailing list, come and chat on the IRC channel, or turn up at a meeting. Everybody's welcome. Although the name says London, we have members situated in many places outside London, even outside the UK. http://www.gllug.org.uk/ For further information, contact John Levin, [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- John Levin http://www.technolalia.org/blog/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu spotting
On 27 Feb 2008, at 12:08, Kris Marsh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 6:53 PM, Alan Pope [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm thinking about starting a new sport called Ubuntu Spotting. Using your keen eye, look out for indications of Ubuntu use in every day life. Points are awarded for spotting:- * Machines running Ubuntu * Articles about Ubuntu in mainstream press * Official Ubuntu shipit CDs * Overhearing people talking about Ubuntu * Spotting references to Ubuntu on other peoples computers * (suggestions?) Of course points can only be awarded if you happened upon these things, and not if you personally influenced their use or placement. I guess many of us play this game subconciously really, but I think we should be more active in this sport, and promote its play. I had one of these today.. I got called into a workshop style meeting at $work where a representative from $large_software_vendor came in to talk about their $fantastic_product. He put up his laptop PC on the projector and in amongst the mess of icons on his Windows XP desktop I spotted an Ubuntu ISO image. Probably not worth many points in this game, but still, a spot is a spot! Have you spotted today? Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ Around a year ago I was having my hair cut, the barber and another guy were talking about this thing called Ubuntu - apparently it's like Windows but better. Made my day to hear it :-) How about putting your old/used/spare ShipIt CDs in interestingly amusing places? Kris I was once sat in the solid rock cafe while skiving off university when I overheard two lads talking about ubuntu. its pure good, its what all the hackers use to break into banks and stuff. I promptly looked over and he had his laptop out with a terminal open. We ended up talking and sorting out his definition of hackers. Hehe I have also seen it being used on the computers in lynx computing, a small pc shop in Glasgow. Many people in uni have also tried ubuntu out along with a few members at my workplace (apple). Its definetly spreading! -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Fwd: OT: Small tremor just now? Earthquake?
On 27 Feb 2008, at 13:47, Chris Rowson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm just the other side of the Humber and had gone to bed early only to be awoken by my other half. Missus Chris, wake up - there's been an earthquake Me Don't be daft ZZZzzz Chris -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ Has anybody exerienced any damage from this? -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Where are we with Green?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I've been listening to the BIG GREEN IT DEBATE on the register.. and although it's no where nearly finished (more or less just started).. there's already one point I'd love us to discuss. One of the things that comes up when discussing 'Green motors' is what I'd like to introduce as the Land Rover paradox. 70% of all Land Rovers ever made are still on the road. Once you take into account the energy required throughout the life of a car, including assembly and destruction - are Land Rovers actually that bad for the environment. IMHO, ubuntu may fit into the Land Rover, rather than Toyota Prius category, for a number of reasons. 1) Power Management - where are we at with ubuntu at the moment? My perception (this will/may be wrong) is that much of the onboard power management is managed through propreitary code, therefore ubuntu performs worse that XP.. par example (but much better than Vista.. on a hunch). 2) Re-use. Ubuntu saves having to re-buy PCs... However, if the efficiency of the new PC means that it'll use less energy, surely there's an argument that upgrading the hardware is more environmentally efficient - we need some better data to support the ubuntu approach (if there is indeed one). 3) Linux versus MS. Is there anything to suggest that linux boxes are more power efficient. This doesn't have to be at a hardware/software level either. More about policy and application. Linux boxes don't crash, so we never shut them down.. meaning they're never off. Discuss. I'm coming in at a tangent, but would be interested to hear other people's perceptions of the 'Green-ness' of ubuntu - and some input from people who can give hard facts on the performance of ubuntu power management. Regards, Andy Loughran -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHxa4ZauMjEM4rxIQRAiNfAJ9QgkqSyz6elxvgJqavzKhEqE5iewCfUJgY dH3WEss4bF/lTE1TJhNBv+E= =cDqt -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Where are we with Green?
andy wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I've been listening to the BIG GREEN IT DEBATE on the register.. and although it's no where nearly finished (more or less just started).. there's already one point I'd love us to discuss. One of the things that comes up when discussing 'Green motors' is what I'd like to introduce as the Land Rover paradox. 70% of all Land Rovers ever made are still on the road. Once you take into account the energy required throughout the life of a car, including assembly and destruction - are Land Rovers actually that bad for the environment. IMHO, ubuntu may fit into the Land Rover, rather than Toyota Prius category, for a number of reasons. 1) Power Management - where are we at with ubuntu at the moment? My perception (this will/may be wrong) is that much of the onboard power management is managed through propreitary code, therefore ubuntu performs worse that XP.. par example (but much better than Vista.. on a hunch). My dual core 'Pentium Dual Core' is happily running at 1.2GHz at the moment (slowed down from 1.8GHz), it's independent per core too. That's all controlled by the Powernow Daemon... Here's the output from powernowd --help PowerNow Daemon v0.97, (c) 2003-2005 John Clemens Daemon to control the speed and voltage of cpus. This is a simple client to the CPUFreq driver, and uses linux kernel v2.5 sysfs interface. You need a supported cpu, and a kernel that supports sysfs to run this daemon. Sounds to me like it's GPL'd. It is controlled by Powernowd too, when I tried to overclock my CPU to around 3GHz it kept going back to 1.8GHz/1.2GHz until I disabled powernowd which in turn disabled the power saving. That's better than my desktop PC at work running XP which sometimes sounds like a jet engine taking off (it's a Dell Optiplex GX620 with a Pentium D 820 (2.8GHz) with power saving turned off in the BIOS). 2) Re-use. Ubuntu saves having to re-buy PCs... However, if the efficiency of the new PC means that it'll use less energy, surely there's an argument that upgrading the hardware is more environmentally efficient - we need some better data to support the ubuntu approach (if there is indeed one). Ubuntu can be used in a client/server environment just like Windows 2000/2003 Server. This is what I'm doing at a local community centre in Exeter. We're using a fairly mid spec Dell PowerEdge server with a new Intel Xeon Quadcore CPU (2.4Ghz) which will run Ubuntu (or possibly Edubuntu) with LTSP. The client machines are old K6/2 450 machines which according to the AMD specs use no more than about 36 watts. Add on the fact that they run completely over the network (no hard drives, no optical drives) they don't have any moving parts (apart from the CPU PSU fans) and save energy. They'll be attached to 19 TFT monitors. I'd say they'd use less than my desktop PC with it's hard drives and DVD drive in there. 3) Linux versus MS. Is there anything to suggest that linux boxes are more power efficient. This doesn't have to be at a hardware/software level either. More about policy and application. Linux boxes don't crash, so we never shut them down.. meaning they're never off. Discuss. Not sure on that, I'd say efficiency wise, they're probably about the same. I guess you could argue that Vista with all it's fancy effects requires a fairly decent spec CPU and graphics card whereas Ubuntu will run it's fancy effects on a much lower spec machine. With regards to never shutting the machines down, it depends on the user. Some people leave their machines on due to lazyness (I can think of a couple of people at work who do this), others leave them on because they run background apps. I guess both Linux and Windows when idle will use much less power plus put the screens into a standby mode. Not sure if anyone is aware, but next month is Green Month, at least it is on the One Network of radio stations (http://commercial.gcapmedia.com/index.php?id=8 - Gemini in Devon, BRMB in Birmingham, Red Dragon in Cardiff etc). In the stations we're trying to save energy by turning PCs off automatically at night (this is done through Active Directory), enabling power saving on newer PCs which support it, reminding everyone to turn off their monitors when not in use, combining PCs (such as legal logging machines which need to log output 24/7, these are being combined in some cases from two PCs to one), and even in some extreme cases turning off all the lights (including the lights in the toilet even when someone is in there). I'm coming in at a tangent, but would be interested to hear other people's perceptions of the 'Green-ness' of ubuntu - and some input from people who can give hard facts on the performance of ubuntu power management. See comments above. When we've installed the LTSP system at the community centre in Exeter I'm going to measure the power usage of the single
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Where are we with Green?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Rob Beard wrote: andy wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I've been listening to the BIG GREEN IT DEBATE on the register.. and although it's no where nearly finished (more or less just started).. there's already one point I'd love us to discuss. One of the things that comes up when discussing 'Green motors' is what I'd like to introduce as the Land Rover paradox. 70% of all Land Rovers ever made are still on the road. Once you take into account the energy required throughout the life of a car, including assembly and destruction - are Land Rovers actually that bad for the environment. IMHO, ubuntu may fit into the Land Rover, rather than Toyota Prius category, for a number of reasons. 1) Power Management - where are we at with ubuntu at the moment? My perception (this will/may be wrong) is that much of the onboard power management is managed through propreitary code, therefore ubuntu performs worse that XP.. par example (but much better than Vista.. on a hunch). My dual core 'Pentium Dual Core' is happily running at 1.2GHz at the moment (slowed down from 1.8GHz), it's independent per core too. That's all controlled by the Powernow Daemon... Here's the output from powernowd --help PowerNow Daemon v0.97, (c) 2003-2005 John Clemens Daemon to control the speed and voltage of cpus. This is a simple client to the CPUFreq driver, and uses linux kernel v2.5 sysfs interface. You need a supported cpu, and a kernel that supports sysfs to run this daemon. Sounds to me like it's GPL'd. It is controlled by Powernowd too, when I tried to overclock my CPU to around 3GHz it kept going back to 1.8GHz/1.2GHz until I disabled powernowd which in turn disabled the power saving. That's better than my desktop PC at work running XP which sometimes sounds like a jet engine taking off (it's a Dell Optiplex GX620 with a Pentium D 820 (2.8GHz) with power saving turned off in the BIOS). 2) Re-use. Ubuntu saves having to re-buy PCs... However, if the efficiency of the new PC means that it'll use less energy, surely there's an argument that upgrading the hardware is more environmentally efficient - we need some better data to support the ubuntu approach (if there is indeed one). Ubuntu can be used in a client/server environment just like Windows 2000/2003 Server. This is what I'm doing at a local community centre in Exeter. We're using a fairly mid spec Dell PowerEdge server with a new Intel Xeon Quadcore CPU (2.4Ghz) which will run Ubuntu (or possibly Edubuntu) with LTSP. The client machines are old K6/2 450 machines which according to the AMD specs use no more than about 36 watts. Add on the fact that they run completely over the network (no hard drives, no optical drives) they don't have any moving parts (apart from the CPU PSU fans) and save energy. They'll be attached to 19 TFT monitors. I'd say they'd use less than my desktop PC with it's hard drives and DVD drive in there. 3) Linux versus MS. Is there anything to suggest that linux boxes are more power efficient. This doesn't have to be at a hardware/software level either. More about policy and application. Linux boxes don't crash, so we never shut them down.. meaning they're never off. Discuss. Not sure on that, I'd say efficiency wise, they're probably about the same. I guess you could argue that Vista with all it's fancy effects requires a fairly decent spec CPU and graphics card whereas Ubuntu will run it's fancy effects on a much lower spec machine. With regards to never shutting the machines down, it depends on the user. Some people leave their machines on due to lazyness (I can think of a couple of people at work who do this), others leave them on because they run background apps. I guess both Linux and Windows when idle will use much less power plus put the screens into a standby mode. Not sure if anyone is aware, but next month is Green Month, at least it is on the One Network of radio stations (http://commercial.gcapmedia.com/index.php?id=8 - Gemini in Devon, BRMB in Birmingham, Red Dragon in Cardiff etc). In the stations we're trying to save energy by turning PCs off automatically at night (this is done through Active Directory), enabling power saving on newer PCs which support it, reminding everyone to turn off their monitors when not in use, combining PCs (such as legal logging machines which need to log output 24/7, these are being combined in some cases from two PCs to one), and even in some extreme cases turning off all the lights (including the lights in the toilet even when someone is in there). I'm coming in at a tangent, but would be interested to hear other people's perceptions of the 'Green-ness' of ubuntu - and some input from people who can give hard facts on the performance of ubuntu power management. See comments above.
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Fwd: OT: Small tremor just now? Earthquake?
Michael Rimicans wrote: I'm in Huddersfield in W.Yorkshire. Me and the wife slept through it, the wife's father and sister was woken by a bang about 0100hrs. I think that people who live in California will probably be amused by the reaction the event has generated ;-) Hello, Michael. Well, I was going to ask if this demonstrates what sensitive people Ubuntu users are, but you slept through it :-) Tony. -- Dr. A.J.Travis, | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Rowett Research Institute, |http://www.rri.sari.ac.uk/~ajt Greenburn Road, Bucksburn, | phone:+44 (0)1224 712751 Aberdeen AB21 9SB, Scotland, UK.| fax:+44 (0)1224 716687 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Fwd: OT: Small tremor just now? Earthquake?
On 27/02/2008, Tony Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael Rimicans wrote: I'm in Huddersfield in W.Yorkshire. Me and the wife slept through it, the wife's father and sister was woken by a bang about 0100hrs. I think that people who live in California will probably be amused by the reaction the event has generated ;-) Hello, Michael. Well, I was going to ask if this demonstrates what sensitive people Ubuntu users are, but you slept through it :-) Tony. Hi there- I was working at my computer and then suddenly my inbox woke up with Ubuntu- that's what I'll remember..the rumbling, the sound as if an avalanche was hitting the side of the house and I didn't understand what was happening until Kris or someone told the forumhow did you know? We had terrible winds all day and they were still very noisy I thought it was a variation on those. Caroline -- Dr. A.J.Travis, | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Rowett Research Institute, |http://www.rri.sari.ac.uk/~ajt Greenburn Road, Bucksburn, | phone:+44 (0)1224 712751 Aberdeen AB21 9SB, Scotland, UK.| fax:+44 (0)1224 716687 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- --- London School of Puppetry www.londonschoolofpuppetry.com -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Fwd: OT: Small tremor just now? Earthquake?
Chris Rowson wrote: I'm just the other side of the Humber and had gone to bed early only to be awoken by my other half. Missus Chris, wake up - there's been an earthquake Me Don't be daft ZZZzzz Chris LOL, I slept through it. First I heard was reading my e-mail before heading off to work this morning. Asking around at work, some people felt it in parts of Devon. Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Fwd: OT: Small tremor just now? Earthquake?
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 9:07 PM, London School of Puppetry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We had terrible winds all day Try Deflatine... (I'll get my coat...) -- Steve When one person suffers from a delusion it is insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called Religion. 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
