[ubuntu-uk] A Windows Mobile- Ubuntufied?
Hello all, Im taking delivery of a Samsung Omnia today which is running Windows Mobile. Up till now ive never used Windows mobile and have only experience with Symbian. BUT i have had experience with WINDOWS..so im dreading Windows Mobile. The viruses. The lags. The BSOD. So i was wondering if anyone has any experience in installing a Mobile version of ubuntu on a phone. I know ubuntu mobile exists but i dont think theres any easy way of installing it. Eagerly awaiting your response on this On a side note im intended you utilize the wifi on this phone which means linking up to my pc. How secure and easy to set up, is wifi in ubuntu? Ive read of problems with setting up wifi in Ubuntu. Regards Javad -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] A Windows Mobile- Ubuntufied?
On Mon, Sep 01, 2008 at 09:34:07AM +0100, Javad Ayaz wrote: Im taking delivery of a Samsung Omnia today which is running Windows Mobile. Up till now ive never used Windows mobile and have only experience with Symbian. BUT i have had experience with WINDOWS..so im dreading Windows Mobile. The viruses. The lags. The BSOD. So i was wondering if anyone has any experience in installing a Mobile version of ubuntu on a phone. First question that springs to mind is So why buy one?. I know ubuntu mobile exists but i dont think theres any easy way of installing it. I have not seen Ubuntu Mobile run on any mobile phones. As I understand it, Ubuntu Mobile is designed for mobile internet devices such as the Samsung Q1, Nokia N800 or ASUS EEE PC (maybe not those specific devices, but devices of their ilk), not for mobile phones. Whilst it's possible to run something like Debian (and perhaps Ubuntu) on the Neo Freerunner, I suspect that most of that is due to the device being designed as Linux compatibile from the get-go. Other phones will be less Linux friendly. Eagerly awaiting your response on this Don't hold your breath. I dont anticipate Ubuntu Mobile running (and working) on _any_ phone (with the possible exception of the freerunner) in the next few months. Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Wireless, was: A Windows Mobile- Ubuntufied?
On Mon, Sep 01, 2008 at 09:34:07AM +0100, Javad Ayaz wrote: On a side note im intended you utilize the wifi on this phone which means linking up to my pc. How secure and easy to set up, is wifi in ubuntu? Ive read of problems with setting up wifi in Ubuntu. Taking the subject of wireless in Ubuntu separately.. My father in law has a Windows Vista laptop. He is frequently sat next to me on his laptop, whilst I am on my Ubuntu one. We are connected to the same access point, the same net connection. His drops, mine never does. I know which I prefer. Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Wireless, was: A Windows Mobile- Ubuntufied?
thank you . this answers this question :) On 01/09/2008, Alan Pope [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Sep 01, 2008 at 09:34:07AM +0100, Javad Ayaz wrote: On a side note im intended you utilize the wifi on this phone which means linking up to my pc. How secure and easy to set up, is wifi in ubuntu? Ive read of problems with setting up wifi in Ubuntu. Taking the subject of wireless in Ubuntu separately.. My father in law has a Windows Vista laptop. He is frequently sat next to me on his laptop, whilst I am on my Ubuntu one. We are connected to the same access point, the same net connection. His drops, mine never does. I know which I prefer. Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Question: where do you find apps?
On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 09:50:34PM +0100, John Levin wrote: A question for you all, one that's been exercising me: where do you find out about applications? Through blog posts, news articles, twitter and identi.ca feeds most often. Recent examples for me include GNOME-Do and Gwibber. I discovered both through other peoples blog posts and installed via instructions linked from them. I use liferea as my rss reader of choice, and gwibber (now) as my twitter/identi.ca follower of choice. Do you read about them on the net or in mags, think it sounds interesting, then look it up in synaptic? I never use synaptic. As others point out apt-cache search is my friend. For stuff that's not in the repo, if I know it's hosted on launchpad I'll look at the project page there. If you have a particular need (say, cataloguing pdfs), how would you go about finding a suitable app? apt-cache search, wiki.ubuntu.com - search, google search, in that order. How would you google, where would you ask? catalog PDF Ubuntu, catalog PDF linux etc. If after searching, you have a large choice of apps, how would you choose between them? I ask myself.. Is it packaged in Ubuntu (bonus points if it is)? If not can I get a deb from somewhere which looks sane? Is it a GNOME app (I dont use KDE)? Does it integrate with some other app I use all the time? How many releases have they made, is it up to date or orphaned? If it's not packaged anywhere, why isn't it? Too new, too old? Would you test them all? Nah, I'd stop when I found one that fulfilled most of my requirements. To what sort of depth? If it's for me alone then so long as it fulfils the basic requirements then I'm happy. If it's for someone else then I'll get their requirements and go by that. Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] A Windows Mobile- Ubuntufied?
well in answer to your quesiton about whywell since my contract is up..this is the new phone being offered to me. I was just wondering if ubuntu would run on it. it has a 657mhz processor in there after all. On 01/09/2008, Alan Pope [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Sep 01, 2008 at 09:34:07AM +0100, Javad Ayaz wrote: Im taking delivery of a Samsung Omnia today which is running Windows Mobile. Up till now ive never used Windows mobile and have only experience with Symbian. BUT i have had experience with WINDOWS..so im dreading Windows Mobile. The viruses. The lags. The BSOD. So i was wondering if anyone has any experience in installing a Mobile version of ubuntu on a phone. First question that springs to mind is So why buy one?. I know ubuntu mobile exists but i dont think theres any easy way of installing it. I have not seen Ubuntu Mobile run on any mobile phones. As I understand it, Ubuntu Mobile is designed for mobile internet devices such as the Samsung Q1, Nokia N800 or ASUS EEE PC (maybe not those specific devices, but devices of their ilk), not for mobile phones. Whilst it's possible to run something like Debian (and perhaps Ubuntu) on the Neo Freerunner, I suspect that most of that is due to the device being designed as Linux compatibile from the get-go. Other phones will be less Linux friendly. Eagerly awaiting your response on this Don't hold your breath. I dont anticipate Ubuntu Mobile running (and working) on _any_ phone (with the possible exception of the freerunner) in the next few months. Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] A Windows Mobile- Ubuntufied?
On Mon, Sep 01, 2008 at 10:10:18AM +0100, Javad Ayaz wrote: well in answer to your quesiton about whywell since my contract is up..this is the new phone being offered to me. I was just wondering if ubuntu would run on it. it has a 657mhz processor in there after all. Ask for a different phone? My contract finished recently, I called Orange (my provider) to talk about a new phone. Spent about a hour googling for models and specs before making a decision. Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] A Windows Mobile- Ubuntufied?
WHAT did you go for in the end? On 01/09/2008, Alan Pope [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Sep 01, 2008 at 10:10:18AM +0100, Javad Ayaz wrote: well in answer to your quesiton about whywell since my contract is up..this is the new phone being offered to me. I was just wondering if ubuntu would run on it. it has a 657mhz processor in there after all. Ask for a different phone? My contract finished recently, I called Orange (my provider) to talk about a new phone. Spent about a hour googling for models and specs before making a decision. Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Question: where do you find apps?
I find that the Getdeb site is very useful. you can search by 'latest', 'keyword', 'catagory' etc etc. You can also set your default distro so it only lists debs for your specific setup. http://www.getdeb.net/ Rgds Ken On Sun, 2008-08-31 at 21:50 +0100, John Levin wrote: Hi all, A question for you all, one that's been exercising me: where do you find out about applications? Do you read about them on the net or in mags, think it sounds interesting, then look it up in synaptic? If you have a particular need (say, cataloguing pdfs), how would you go about finding a suitable app? How would you google, where would you ask? If after searching, you have a large choice of apps, how would you choose between them? Would you test them all? To what sort of depth? TIA John -- John Levin http://www.technolalia.org/blog/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] A Windows Mobile- Ubuntufied?
On Mon, Sep 01, 2008 at 10:55:36AM +0100, Javad Ayaz wrote: WHAT did you go for in the end? Nokia N82. Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Question: where do you find apps?
On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 21:50:34 +0100 John Levin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, A question for you all, one that's been exercising me: where do you find out about applications? Do you read about them on the net or in mags, think it sounds interesting, then look it up in synaptic? If you have a particular need (say, cataloguing pdfs), how would you go about finding a suitable app? How would you google, where would you ask? If after searching, you have a large choice of apps, how would you choose between them? Would you test them all? To what sort of depth? TIA John -- John Levin http://www.technolalia.org/blog/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ Apart from the usual Ubuntu software repositories, you might also want to take a look at: http://www.getdeb.net/ for some of the latest versions of apps that will work with Ubuntu. regards, Steve -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] A Windows Mobile- Ubuntufied?
not a bad choice. N82 running symbian. Samsung Omnia running Windows mobile. Im kinda bored of symbian now anyway! On 01/09/2008, Alan Pope [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Sep 01, 2008 at 10:55:36AM +0100, Javad Ayaz wrote: WHAT did you go for in the end? Nokia N82. Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] keyboards
hi all :D has anyone got any suggestions for a new keyboard? I've got a horrendously old one, and i'm looking to replace it. i know a lot of shortcut buttons, for example, don't always work, and i don't know which keyboards are good anyway, so i was wondering if anybody could help me? I stumbled across Cherry a while ago with their Linux keyboard. having a little difficulty finding the page where they sell it, but i've seen a couple of pages where people said they were having trouble with it. is it any good? Thanks === Farran Lee I'm only 15 :-P attachment: smiley-10.pngattachment: smiley-1.png-- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] keyboards
On Mon, Sep 01, 2008 at 01:14:23PM +0100, Farran wrote: has anyone got any suggestions for a new keyboard? I've got a horrendously old one, and i'm looking to replace it. i know a lot of shortcut buttons, for example, don't always work, and i don't know which keyboards are good anyway, so i was wondering if anybody could help me? IBM Model M keyboards are (in my opinion) the best ever made. You can probably pick them up second hand somewhere like a local computer refurb place, or even ebay. Note they're very heavy so expensive to post. Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] keyboards
2008/9/1 Alan Pope [EMAIL PROTECTED]: IBM Model M keyboards are (in my opinion) the best ever made. You can probably pick them up second hand somewhere like a local computer refurb place, or even ebay. Note they're very heavy so expensive to post. Why has nobody made a keyboard as good? That has long baffled me. My one has distorted in the heat of my conservatory and has been relegated to the computer in the shed. I like the new apple keyboards. Does anybody know if they work with Linux on a PC? -- Philip Stubbs -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] keyboards
On Mon, Sep 01, 2008 at 01:14:23PM +0100, Farran wrote: has anyone got any suggestions for a new keyboard? Keyboard preferences vary dramatically from person to person so recommendations aren't much use. I think keyboards are something where it can be worth paying more to get one from a shop so you get to try it out first (you can order them and send them back if you don't like them but it only takes a couple of iterations of that for the shipping charges to be more than the premium taken by an actual shop). My preference is for the keyboards in thinkpads, but I haven't found a desktop version of this yet. Any keyboard should work for the basic functionality since the interfaces are standardised. There can be issues with the extra shortcut buttons as the code they send seems to be chosen at random by manufacturers, but you can map them to what they are supposed to do manually. Robert Robert McWilliam [EMAIL PROTECTED]www.ormiret.com No trees were killed in the creation of this message. However, many electrons were terribly inconvenienced. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] keyboards
On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 13:50, Robert McWilliam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Sep 01, 2008 at 01:14:23PM +0100, Farran wrote: has anyone got any suggestions for a new keyboard? Keyboard preferences vary dramatically from person to person so recommendations aren't much use. I think keyboards are something where it can be worth paying more to get one from a shop so you get to try it out first (you can order them and send them back if you don't like them but it only takes a couple of iterations of that for the shipping charges to be more than the premium taken by an actual shop). My preference is for the keyboards in thinkpads, but I haven't found a desktop version of this yet. Any keyboard should work for the basic functionality since the interfaces are standardised. There can be issues with the extra shortcut buttons as the code they send seems to be chosen at random by manufacturers, but you can map them to what they are supposed to do manually. Robert Robert McWilliam [EMAIL PROTECTED]www.ormiret.com No trees were killed in the creation of this message. However, many electrons were terribly inconvenienced. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ The Model M is a gorgeous keyboard, not necessarily in appearance.. but the quality. I however, have a Logitech G15, an expensive unit, but very cool on Linux, you can get the LCD working, the keys respond very well :) -- Kris Douglas Softdel Limited Hosting Services Web: www.softdel.net Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Company No. 6135915 Registered in England and Wales -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] keyboards
Was gonna suggest a G15 as well, but wasn't sure about the compatibility. I've got a G15 (got it last week, in fact!) and it's great. The keys do take a bit of getting used to, though, because of the 'G' keys on the left, where they're around the Ctrl, shift, caps and tab keys (look at the pics of it on Logitechs website). Great keyboard. Logitech are generally good anyway, I've got a gaming mouse by them as well (G5) - good stuff James On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 13:50, Robert McWilliam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Sep 01, 2008 at 01:14:23PM +0100, Farran wrote: has anyone got any suggestions for a new keyboard? Keyboard preferences vary dramatically from person to person so recommendations aren't much use. I think keyboards are something where it can be worth paying more to get one from a shop so you get to try it out first (you can order them and send them back if you don't like them but it only takes a couple of iterations of that for the shipping charges to be more than the premium taken by an actual shop). My preference is for the keyboards in thinkpads, but I haven't found a desktop version of this yet. Any keyboard should work for the basic functionality since the interfaces are standardised. There can be issues with the extra shortcut buttons as the code they send seems to be chosen at random by manufacturers, but you can map them to what they are supposed to do manually. Robert Robert McWilliam [EMAIL PROTECTED]www.ormiret.com No trees were killed in the creation of this message. However, many electrons were terribly inconvenienced. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ The Model M is a gorgeous keyboard, not necessarily in appearance.. but the quality. I however, have a Logitech G15, an expensive unit, but very cool on Linux, you can get the LCD working, the keys respond very well :) -- Kris Douglas Softdel Limited Hosting Services Web: www.softdel.net Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Company No. 6135915 Registered in England and Wales -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] keyboards
The Model M is a gorgeous keyboard, not necessarily in appearance.. but the quality. I however, have a Logitech G15, an expensive unit, but very cool on Linux, you can get the LCD working, the keys respond very well :) Damn apple, all their stuff is nice. I think i'm allowed something expensive, it's my present for passing my gcses well :D thanks, i'll look around a bit === Farran Lee I'm only 15 :-P attachment: smiley-10.pngattachment: smiley-1.png-- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Wireless, was: A Windows Mobile- Ubuntufied?
sticking with this topic i want to ask a question...can i install a windows app on windows mobile i.e Virtualbox, and then install a ubuntu mobile version on that? and do a dual boot ...a bit like my pc..i could boot ubuntu of a memory card. Apologies to everyone for repeating the same old question!! On 01/09/2008, Javad Ayaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: thank you . this answers this question :) On 01/09/2008, Alan Pope [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Sep 01, 2008 at 09:34:07AM +0100, Javad Ayaz wrote: On a side note im intended you utilize the wifi on this phone which means linking up to my pc. How secure and easy to set up, is wifi in ubuntu? Ive read of problems with setting up wifi in Ubuntu. Taking the subject of wireless in Ubuntu separately.. My father in law has a Windows Vista laptop. He is frequently sat next to me on his laptop, whilst I am on my Ubuntu one. We are connected to the same access point, the same net connection. His drops, mine never does. I know which I prefer. Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Wireless, was: A Windows Mobile- Ubuntufied?
Javad Ayaz wrote: sticking with this topic i want to ask a question...can i install a windows app on windows mobile i.e Virtualbox, and then install a ubuntu mobile version on that? and do a dual boot ...a bit like my pc..i could boot ubuntu of a memory card. Apologies to everyone for repeating the same old question!! On 01/09/2008, *Javad Ayaz* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: thank you . this answers this question :) On 01/09/2008, *Alan Pope* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Sep 01, 2008 at 09:34:07AM +0100, Javad Ayaz wrote: On a side note im intended you utilize the wifi on this phone which means linking up to my pc. How secure and easy to set up, is wifi in ubuntu? Ive read of problems with setting up wifi in Ubuntu. Taking the subject of wireless in Ubuntu separately.. My father in law has a Windows Vista laptop. He is frequently sat next to me on his laptop, whilst I am on my Ubuntu one. We are connected to the same access point, the same net connection. His drops, mine never does. I know which I prefer. Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com mailto:ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ I'll be very honest. No. Windows Mobile.. see Ciemon's Blog Post. SyncCE is the only thing that's worth using. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Wireless, was: A Windows Mobile- Ubuntufied?
On Mon, Sep 01, 2008 at 02:50:59PM +0100, Javad Ayaz wrote: sticking with this topic i want to ask a question...can i install a windows app on windows mobile i.e Virtualbox, and then install a ubuntu mobile version on that? and do a dual boot ...a bit like my pc..i could boot ubuntu of a memory card. No. Virtualbox wont run on a mobile phone. Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Wireless, was: A Windows Mobile- Ubuntufied?
On Mon, Sep 01, 2008 at 02:50:59PM +0100, Javad Ayaz wrote: sticking with this topic i want to ask a question...can i install a windows app on windows mobile i.e Virtualbox, and then install a ubuntu mobile version on that? and do a dual boot ...a bit like my pc..i could boot ubuntu of a memory card. Apologies to everyone for repeating the same old question!! Short answer: no. Windows mobile and Windows XP/Vista are completely different code bases. Marketing is what links them. It is a similar situation to Windows XP vs ubuntu: apps have to have different calls to interact with the OS. There might be x86 emulators for Windows mobile but I doubt they'd have the performance to run ubuntu as they will have to do full CPU emulation, which is going to be very slow on an embedded CPU*. It might be possible to build a virtualisation app that would let you run ubuntu compiled for the CPU architecture in the device with reasonable performance but that is likely to be a big undertaking. Robert * Don't read clock rates for embedded processors and think performance will be comparable to a desktop processor with that clock rate. Embedded chips tend to use simpler instructions so you get a smaller chunk of work for each clock tick, they have simpler branch prediction so are wrong more often, and tend to have less parallelism in the hardware to save power. The lower performance is to let the battery last more than the few minutes it could power a desktop CPU. Robert McWilliam [EMAIL PROTECTED]www.ormiret.com In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Bracknell Software Freedom Day 20th Sept
(Surrey, Hampshire, uk ubuntu lists) Bracknell has a Software Freedom Day Event! If you happen to be in our neck of the woods and are passing on the day, please stop by and say hello? If you are able to actually come and lend a hand you will be most welcomed, we could do with helpers! The event is being planned in Princess Square shopping mall (rather similar to last year if all works out ok) time between 10.00am to 4.00pm The town centre is fairly compact and if there are enough helpers the active presence should flood into the general town centre area too. Leaflets handout and CDs handout is planned, with posters, some balloons, and stickers too. You may be aware that the Bracknell Ubuntu Thieves used bolt cutters only a couple of weeks ago to run off with a Web-book from CarPhone Warehouse - situated only yards away from our proposed event location. Come and help satisfy their desperation by helping to hand out some CDs! http://softwarefreedomday.org/teams/europe/uk/ubuntu-uk/bracknell (includes last year's photos too) If you are able to consider helping then please do contact me? tia -- alan cocks Kubuntu user#10391 Linux user #360648 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Google Chrome
Woo http://blogoscoped.com/archive/2008-09-01-n47.html New open source web browser from Google. Looks very interesting from a security and performance perspective alone. The cartoon is a great way to introduce a new product to the media too. Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Bracknell Software Freedom Day 20th Sept
In message of 1 Sep, alan c [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (Surrey, Hampshire, uk ubuntu lists) Bracknell has a Software Freedom Day Event! If you happen to be in our neck of the woods and are passing on the day, please stop by and say hello? If you are able to actually come and lend a hand you will be most welcomed, we could do with helpers! The event is being planned in Princess Square shopping mall (rather similar to last year if all works out ok) time between 10.00am to 4.00pm Thanks for the info: I've put a note in my diary to stagger along. You may be aware that the Bracknell Ubuntu Thieves used bolt cutters only a couple of weeks ago to run off with a Web-book from CarPhone Warehouse - situated only yards away from our proposed event location. This cynic does wonders if that exploit was not very good publicity and doubtless you wish you'd thought of doing it first! -- Tim [EMAIL PROTECTED] For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Google Chrome
On Mon, 2008-09-01 at 20:51 +0100, Alan Pope wrote: Woo http://blogoscoped.com/archive/2008-09-01-n47.html New open source web browser from Google. Looks very interesting from a security and performance perspective alone. The cartoon is a great way to introduce a new product to the media too. Cheers, Al. With the size of the Google PR machine, a cute way of introducing a new product was no real surprise. What is really beginning to worry me is that there is too much choice of applications in the Open Source world. Instead of working to make what we have better and bite into bug #1 and give users a base set of applications they can get comfortable with and trust, we are going to leave maybe switchers to Linux with the mass confusion of which application is best and sticking with Windows. Regards Phil signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] keyboards
Farran wrote: hi all :D has anyone got any suggestions for a new keyboard? I've got a horrendously old one, and i'm looking to replace it. i know a lot of shortcut buttons, for example, don't always work, and i don't know which keyboards are good anyway, so i was wondering if anybody could help me? I stumbled across Cherry a while ago with their Linux keyboard. having a little difficulty finding the page where they sell it, but i've seen a couple of pages where people said they were having trouble with it. is it any good? Thanks === Farran Lee I'm only 15 :-P I'm currently using a Saitek Eclipse II which is backlit so ideal if you're into gaming. The media buttons also work out of the box in Ubuntu and I find it pretty good for typing, but as others have said that's largely a matter of personal preference. Adam -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Google Chrome
What is really beginning to worry me is that there is too much choice of applications in the Open Source world. Instead of working to make what we have better and bite into bug #1 and give users a base set of applications they can get comfortable with and trust, we are going to leave maybe switchers to Linux with the mass confusion of which application is best and sticking with Windows. Yes, we seem to be slipping back into the bad old days... I remember one of my first Linux installs, a paid for box set of an early Suse release. 5 different word processors, 6 calculators, 4 browsers, 7 text editors, etc, etc... It was all stupidly confusing... It was one of the first things that struck me about Breezy... Oh look - only one browser, only one word processor, only one editor, only one etc etc... How very sensible... Now, Firefox, Epiphany, Midori, Amaya, Dillo, Galeon, SeaMonkey and even Links/Lynx and W3M... And now Chrome... not to mention all the backend stuff like webkit/gecko/java/javascript/SWF/etc/etc... Makes you wonder how much could be achieved in just the browser arena, if all that effort all pulled in the same direction Argh... -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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Alan Pope wrote: Woo http://blogoscoped.com/archive/2008-09-01-n47.html New open source web browser from Google. Looks very interesting from a security and performance perspective alone. The cartoon is a great way to introduce a new product to the media too. Official word here: http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2008/09/fresh-take-on-browser.html Who's going to start Ubuntu Comics then? John -- John Levin http://www.technolalia.org/blog/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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On Mon, Sep 01, 2008 at 09:12:48PM +0100, Philip Wyett wrote: What is really beginning to worry me is that there is too much choice of applications in the Open Source world. Instead of working to make what we have better and bite into bug #1 and give users a base set of applications they can get comfortable with and trust, we are going to leave maybe switchers to Linux with the mass confusion of which application is best and sticking with Windows. That's kind of missing the whole point of open source. The advantage of distributed and uncontrolled development is that everybody goes in whichever direction they want and explores the possibilities for solving a problem to their own satisfaction. The fact there are a multitude of solutions is an advantage as we can each select from them to get something we are happy with. Dictating the right way of doing something and getting everybody to work on it is highly unlikely to actually get the best solution as there is no perfect person to be the dictator. It also precludes the possibility that there are a range of options because different people want different things. If you want someone else to do the choosing then you can go for your distro's default and not worry about it. It really annoys me when people preset choice as a problem. It might be intimidating to a new user if they are presented with a huge number of options but that is an argument for how we should be presenting things to the new user not an argument for limiting the choices available. OK, I'll stop ranting now :) Robert Robert McWilliam [EMAIL PROTECTED]www.ormiret.com I am in shape. Round is a shape. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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Philip Wyett wrote: With the size of the Google PR machine, a cute way of introducing a new product was no real surprise. What is really beginning to worry me is that there is too much choice of applications in the Open Source world. Instead of working to make what we have better and bite into bug #1 and give users a base set of applications they can get comfortable with and trust, we are going to leave maybe switchers to Linux with the mass confusion of which application is best and sticking with Windows. Well, Chrome is being beta'd for windows first, where it will add to the choice of Firefox, Safari and Opera (never mind a host of smaller projects), so choice is not restricted to the FLOSS world. I can't see any way of 'herding cats' and concentrating everyone on a base set of applications, or a single distro for that matter. I don't think it would be desirable either; a lot of good comes out of people trying new ideas (as long as these ideas can be shared, taken and improved, as we do in the free software world). As long as Ubuntu keeps its focus, I'll be happy with it (even though I dislike some of the software choices). My tuppence ha'penny, John -- John Levin http://www.technolalia.org/blog/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 10:46 PM, Robert McWilliam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's kind of missing the whole point of open source. The advantage of distributed and uncontrolled development is that everybody goes in whichever direction they want and explores the possibilities for solving a problem to their own satisfaction. The fact there are a multitude of solutions is an advantage as we can each select from them to get something we are happy with. Dictating the right way of doing something and getting everybody to work on it is highly unlikely to actually get the best solution as there is no perfect person to be the dictator. It also precludes the possibility that there are a range of options because different people want different things. If you want someone else to do the choosing then you can go for your distro's default and not worry about it. It really annoys me when people preset choice as a problem. It might be intimidating to a new user if they are presented with a huge number of options but that is an argument for how we should be presenting things to the new user not an argument for limiting the choices available. OK, I'll stop ranting now :) Robert I definitely agree with you Robert. I believe they (Mozilla, Google, and MS) are going a bit more than just a browser... they are going to mash the browser into the desktop environment... this is just the beginning. Tiago Vieira -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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On Mon, 2008-09-01 at 22:46 +0100, Robert McWilliam wrote: On Mon, Sep 01, 2008 at 09:12:48PM +0100, Philip Wyett wrote: What is really beginning to worry me is that there is too much choice of applications in the Open Source world. Instead of working to make what we have better and bite into bug #1 and give users a base set of applications they can get comfortable with and trust, we are going to leave maybe switchers to Linux with the mass confusion of which application is best and sticking with Windows. That's kind of missing the whole point of open source. The advantage of distributed and uncontrolled development is that everybody goes in whichever direction they want and explores the possibilities for solving a problem to their own satisfaction. The fact there are a multitude of solutions is an advantage as we can each select from them to get something we are happy with. Well... I'll skip the first sentence as such a thing should be never said on a list such as this because it will offend! Exploring new ideas and distributed development are great and I wholly promote that, but to facilitate certain end goals many factors must be taken into account which can mean constraint being introduced. Dictating the right way of doing something and getting everybody to work on it is highly unlikely to actually get the best solution as there is no perfect person to be the dictator. It also precludes the possibility that there are a range of options because different people want different things. Nobody is dictating or wanting to be a dictator and using such inflammatory language does nothing for debate. If you want someone else to do the choosing then you can go for your distro's default and not worry about it. Ubuntu has it's focus on a base set of applications. These do change over time as part of an evolutionary process and that is good. But the selection of those applications is such a constraint I mentioned earlier that is part of a long term goal to appeal to existing and new computer users to trust Ubuntu and make the choice to use it. This I believe has been very beneficial from say a few years ago when you could look at a distribution with a user and not stand a chance (due to the distributed/fragmented nature of applications and inability to easily configure, use and link things together etc) of swaying them into a change whereas you have a chance due to the fact of consistency today with projects such as Ubuntu. It really annoys me when people preset choice as a problem. It might be intimidating to a new user if they are presented with a huge number of options but that is an argument for how we should be presenting things to the new user not an argument for limiting the choices available. Choice is a good thing but can be defined as an issue in certain circumstances. A bad can hurt the overall goal or offering numerous choices can hurt us by confusion. It's a balancing act that really does have to be thought about sometimes in my opinion. Regards Phil signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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Well said Robert! On 1 Sep 2008, at 22:46, Robert McWilliam wrote: On Mon, Sep 01, 2008 at 09:12:48PM +0100, Philip Wyett wrote: What is really beginning to worry me is that there is too much choice of applications in the Open Source world. Instead of working to make what we have better and bite into bug #1 and give users a base set of applications they can get comfortable with and trust, we are going to leave maybe switchers to Linux with the mass confusion of which application is best and sticking with Windows. That's kind of missing the whole point of open source. The advantage of distributed and uncontrolled development is that everybody goes in whichever direction they want and explores the possibilities for solving a problem to their own satisfaction. The fact there are a multitude of solutions is an advantage as we can each select from them to get something we are happy with. Dictating the right way of doing something and getting everybody to work on it is highly unlikely to actually get the best solution as there is no perfect person to be the dictator. It also precludes the possibility that there are a range of options because different people want different things. If you want someone else to do the choosing then you can go for your distro's default and not worry about it. It really annoys me when people preset choice as a problem. It might be intimidating to a new user if they are presented with a huge number of options but that is an argument for how we should be presenting things to the new user not an argument for limiting the choices available. OK, I'll stop ranting now :) Robert Robert McWilliam [EMAIL PROTECTED]www.ormiret.com I am in shape. Round is a shape. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Google Chrome
On Mon, 2008-09-01 at 22:53 +0100, John Levin wrote: I can't see any way of 'herding cats' and concentrating everyone on a base set of applications, or a single distro for that matter. I don't think it would be desirable either; a lot of good comes out of people trying new ideas (as long as these ideas can be shared, taken and improved, as we do in the free software world). As long as Ubuntu keeps its focus, I'll be happy with it (even though I dislike some of the software choices). :-) Herding cats is very good. I would never want a single application or distro as each has very specific goals and appeal to those with their own specific goals or constraints e.g. hardware etc. However the 30 lane motorway can be narrowed a little sometimes and the slow moving traffic or those that have broken down can be removed. Pooling the knowledge along with sharing fresh ideas should always be promoted and I would agree with you there. Ubuntu does have good focus and constraint to make a quality distribution that does offer a consistent base and extended choice and that formula is one of the things that is helping it gain in popularity and an increased number of users. Regards Phil signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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Tiago Vieira wrote: snip ...I believe they (Mozilla, Google, and MS) are going a bit more than just a browser... they are going to mash the browser into the desktop environment... this is just the beginning. Hi, Tiago I think that's right, or one could even say they want to *replace* the desktop with the browser. And your comment set me thinking that we should not wander into that 'Web2' world blindly, dazzled by the 'gee whiz' services that Google and others proffer us in return for our lodging our data with them. I think we have to ask ourselves what do Google, MS, Facebook, My Space and others get out of spending all that money on storage for our data. Do they do it out of altruism? What they get is the opportunity to analyse it in order to see the patterns in our behaviour and relationships, so that they may make use of, and maybe sell, their analyses for their own ends and profit. Knowledge about us beyond the wildest dreams of early twentieth century market researchers! Privacy isn't just about keeping secret the few bits of information about yourself that you think matter -- what Google's 'Privacy Policy' refers to as 'personal information'. Focusing on 'name, date of birth, bank account details, and mother's maiden name' distracts us from other aspects of privacy. It's also an aspect of privacy that Google (and other folk who hold our data) have the right - as 'bailees' of our information - to examine it and analyse, so that they may discern, understand and predict the patterns of our lives better than we do ourselves. So I wonder whether we shouldn't think twice before we sign up to put our data in the hands of 'Web2 service providers'. (End of rant. You may have guessed that I'm not not a computer scientist, but a social scientist -- so I know what you can do with information about patterns of behaviour, which is why Web2 worries me!) Mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
