[ubuntu-uk] Fwd: Contribute with your voice, your videos and your photos!
FYI A way for just about anyone to contribute to the Free Culture Showcase. (For those that don't know/realise - the Free Culture Showcase is a competition to highlight content creators in our community by rewarding them with a place on the Ubuntu CD [in the ~/Examples folder]). -- Forwarded message -- From: Savvas Radevic vice...@gmail.com Date: 2009/1/15 Subject: Contribute with your voice, your videos and your photos! To: Cypriot Ubuntu LoCo Team ubuntu...@lists.ubuntu.com, Ubuntu local community team (LoCo) contacts loco-conta...@lists.ubuntu.com The Ubuntu Free Culture Showcase[3] is an opportunity to show off high quality free culture content in Ubuntu. At the heart of Ubuntu's ethos is a belief in showcasing free software and free culture, and with each development cycle we open the opportunity for any Free Culture artist to put their work in front of millions of Ubuntu users around the world. Although the space restrictions are tight, and we are limited to how much content we can include, this is an excellent opportunity for artists everywhere. I would just like to forward the call for contribution[1] for a wonderful Free Culture Showcase project[3]. Thorsten Wilms (thorwil) has already compiled a first snapshot of the submitted audio files[2]. There's still time, and I'm quoting (IRC/Internet Relay Chat): thorwil so far i have finnish, italian, german and not quite up to the requirements english and spanish Also note the deadline for audio submissions[1]: Deadline: I will start to work with the material as soon as I have enough, but will accept more until the 23rd of January. The deadline for submissions for the general Free Culture Showcase is 6th February 2009. Forward it if you believe it's interesting. :) [1] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/2009-January/008484.html [2] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/2009-January/008495.html [3] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuFreeCultureShowcase -- loco-contacts mailing list loco-conta...@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/loco-contacts -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Sad but true? From the Register
2009/1/15 Ken Robson k...@robsonfamily.co.uk US woman says Ubuntu can't access internet?ui=2ik=b2823687cfview=attth=11edaeec4ecb45a0attid=0.0.1.1disp=embzwCheck out ( http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01/15/ubuntu_cant_access_net If the above link doesn't work) Interesting quote 'WKOW TV called Ubuntu an operating system for your computer similar to Windows that runs off the Linux system.' -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ I don't know whether to laugh or cry -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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On Thu, 15 Jan 2009, Chris Coulson wrote: 2009/1/15 Ken Robson k...@robsonfamily.co.uk Ubuntu an operating system for your computer similar to Windows that runs off the Linux system.' A pretty good description wouldn't you say. They just need the word free in there. I don't know whether to laugh or cry It would be easier to laugh or cry if there were less ''s at the front. -Paul -- Why do one side of a triangle when you can do all three. Somewhere, GB. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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Ken Robson wrote: US woman says Ubuntu can't access internet cid:part1.08010708.05090402@robsonfamily.co.uk also 'Worlds Dumbest Woman Blames Ubuntu for College Failure' http://www.inquisitr.com/15383/worlds-dumbest-woman-blames-ubuntu-for-college-failure/ (photo) ' Despite her complete and utter stupidity, help is at hand: Verizon has offered to dispatch a technician to assist her accessing the internet without the CD, and her college says it will accept any of her papers or class documents using whatever software she has installed.' -- alan cocks Ubuntu user #10391 Linux user #360648 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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http://www.wkowtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=9667184 MCFARLAND (WKOW) -- Abbie Schubert paid more than $1,100 for a Dell laptop hoping to enroll in online classes at MATC. But something stopped her: Ubuntu. No WKOW, something else stopped her. But that's no excuse, computers should work for dumb people too, and everyone deserves to know what they're buying. It doesn't matter that we all know that FF is better than IE, for some people internet=IE, and office=M$. Dell need to explain the concept of compatible slowly, probably using shorter words. ___ Yishay Mor, Researcher, London Knowledge Lab http://www.lkl.ac.uk/people/mor.html http://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=yishaym%40gmail.com +44-20-7837 x5737 2009/1/15 alan c aecl...@candt.waitrose.com Ken Robson wrote: US woman says Ubuntu can't access internet cid:part1.08010708.05090402@robsonfamily.co.ukcid%3apart1.08010708.05090...@robsonfamily.co.uk also 'Worlds Dumbest Woman Blames Ubuntu for College Failure' http://www.inquisitr.com/15383/worlds-dumbest-woman-blames-ubuntu-for-college-failure/ (photo) ' Despite her complete and utter stupidity, help is at hand: Verizon has offered to dispatch a technician to assist her accessing the internet without the CD, and her college says it will accept any of her papers or class documents using whatever software she has installed.' -- alan cocks Ubuntu user #10391 Linux user #360648 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Yishay Mor yish...@gmail.com wrote: No WKOW, something else stopped her. But that's no excuse, computers should work for dumb people too, and everyone deserves to know what they're buying. It doesn't matter that we all know that FF is better than IE, for some people internet=IE, and office=M$. Dell need to explain the concept of compatible slowly, probably using shorter words. I was about to say something similar. She clearly didn't know she was buying a Ubuntu machine and wanted Windows... when Dell support got her call they shouldn't have tried to evangelise, they should have sorted it so that she had what she'd expected. In my experience a lot of so-called Linux evangelists do the operating system more harm than good. Especially when they try to persuade people that Windows is bad and Linux is good, and that if they stick with Windows they're somehow showing a lack of intelligence. There's a man in Glastonbury who does just that, and he's put more people off Linux than he's tuned into it. Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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alan c wrote: '...and her college says it will accept any of her papers or class documents using whatever software she has installed.' Wow, even in one of the international standard document formats?! Well done that college! Mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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On 15/01/2009 16:35, Sean Miller wrote: On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Yishay Moryish...@gmail.com wrote: No WKOW, something else stopped her. But that's no excuse, computers should work for dumb people too, and everyone deserves to know what they're buying. It doesn't matter that we all know that FF is better than IE, for some people internet=IE, and office=M$. Dell need to explain the concept of compatible slowly, probably using shorter words. I was about to say something similar. She clearly didn't know she was buying a Ubuntu machine and wanted Windows... when Dell support got her call they shouldn't have tried to evangelise, they should have sorted it so that she had what she'd expected. In my experience a lot of so-called Linux evangelists do the operating system more harm than good. Especially when they try to persuade people that Windows is bad and Linux is good, and that if they stick with Windows they're somehow showing a lack of intelligence. There's a man in Glastonbury who does just that, and he's put more people off Linux than he's tuned into it. Sean With any luck maybe one of the members of her local LUG will offer to help her out and show her how to actually use Ubuntu and open her documents etc. If she does get this sorted out and sticks with Ubuntu I hope that the TV station do a follow up story about how the LUG helped her out (although no doubt it wouldn't happen, she'd probably end up getting the laptop replaced by Dell or something). Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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Might be better to simply fill in the form as below, Helen... On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 5:28 PM, Helen Blackwood helen...@supanet.com wrote: When O* When will you unsubscribe. Fourth request. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk THERE!!! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ The bit that says Edit/Unsubscribe. That should do it. Then click Unsubscribe. Best, Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 5:30 PM, Alan Pope a...@popey.com wrote: 2009/1/15 Helen Blackwood helen...@supanet.com: When O* When will you unsubscribe. Fourth request. Done. Damn, she'd have never got my good advice. She wasn't the bird with the Dell was she? ;-o Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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I'm not going to point out that refering to someone as the bird like that is patronising and sexist. Oh not. Not for my first post to the list. Oh dear, I just did... -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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2009/1/15 Liam Proven lpro...@gmail.com: When I read the article, I wondered *why* she couldn't access the web site. Two possible reasons spring to mind: [1] She's using some kind of USB Internet connection that doesn't work [2] It's a completely Flash-driven site, when Ubuntu doesn't include [3] She read the manual which said insert the cd first before plugging in the router - not remotely uncommon. If someone expects a piece of hardware to work using an install CD from a manufacturer, who is to blame _really_? Dell for not educating her? Ubuntu for not educating her? The manufacturer for not shipping an autorunning Ubuntu-compatible CD? Or is it her own fault for not contacting _someone_ for support, but plugging away at it? Who knows. Either way, this is a problem in Ubuntu, if the woman can't get a connection easily. Debateable. It's a problem that manifests itself when a new user to Ubuntu tries to get up and running, not sure if it's a problem with Ubuntu itself per-se. Flash. This is a political decision - I've been debating it recently on Ubuntu-sounder, in fact. The sad reality is that because of the Ubuntu project's determination to ship only Free software, excluding drivers, when Ubuntu comes out of the box, it's crippled. So is Windows. I installed Windows 7 the other day and do you know what! There was:- * No office software * No pdf viewer * No graphics editor Etc. No Java is a minor problem, no RealPlayer or QuickTime or WindowsMedia is a bigger one, no MP3 support is a big issue, but no Flash is absolutely huge. It's been explained to you why we don't ship flash on the sounder list. I don't think we need to have that whole debate all over again. This is again a problem with Ubuntu, but it's a deliberately-chosen one, and I'm not sure if anything can be done about it. Gnash, swfdec. Try them out. Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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Alan Pope wrote: 2009/1/15 Liam Proven lpro...@gmail.com: When I read the article, I wondered *why* she couldn't access the web site. Two possible reasons spring to mind: [1] She's using some kind of USB Internet connection that doesn't work [2] It's a completely Flash-driven site, when Ubuntu doesn't include [3] She read the manual which said insert the cd first before plugging in the router - not remotely uncommon. If someone expects a piece of hardware to work using an install CD from a manufacturer, who is to blame _really_? Dell for not educating her? Ubuntu for not educating her? The manufacturer for not shipping an autorunning Ubuntu-compatible CD? Or is it her own fault for not contacting _someone_ for support, but plugging away at it? Who knows. Either way, this is a problem in Ubuntu, if the woman can't get a connection easily. Debateable. It's a problem that manifests itself when a new user to Ubuntu tries to get up and running, not sure if it's a problem with Ubuntu itself per-se. Flash. This is a political decision - I've been debating it recently on Ubuntu-sounder, in fact. The sad reality is that because of the Ubuntu project's determination to ship only Free software, excluding drivers, when Ubuntu comes out of the box, it's crippled. So is Windows. I installed Windows 7 the other day and do you know what! There was:- * No office software * No pdf viewer * No graphics editor Etc. No Java is a minor problem, no RealPlayer or QuickTime or WindowsMedia is a bigger one, no MP3 support is a big issue, but no Flash is absolutely huge. It's been explained to you why we don't ship flash on the sounder list. I don't think we need to have that whole debate all over again. This is again a problem with Ubuntu, but it's a deliberately-chosen one, and I'm not sure if anything can be done about it. Gnash, swfdec. Try them out. Cheers, Al. On 8.10 if I go to firefox I get a nice search screen (google) page, that has a link to help.ubuntu.com (external website) this is great, but it assumes the computer has a working internet connection. perhaps what is needed is an application called something like lug finder or support finder, this would then give a search able database, of linux user groups but stored on cd. so new get it when they install or they can get it from running the live cd. Users can then find a local lug easily. It may help new users and existing users find local support. Paul -- Paul Sutton www.zleap.net Support Open and ISO standard file formats e.g ISO 26300 odt http://www.oasis-open.org/home/index.php Next Linux User Group meet : Feb 7th : 3pm (TBC), Shoreline Cafe Paignton -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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On 15/01/2009 17:32, Sean Miller wrote: On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 5:30 PM, Alan Popea...@popey.com wrote: 2009/1/15 Helen Blackwoodhelen...@supanet.com: When O* When will you unsubscribe. Fourth request. Don Damn, she'd have never got my good advice. She wasn't the bird with the Dell was she? ;-o Sean Ouch! To be honest it doesn't say anything like To change your subscription settings or unsubscribe follow this link at the bottom of the e-mail and I bet there is a fair few users who don't keep the original e-mails from when the first sign up. Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 5:49 PM, Rob Beard r...@esdelle.co.uk wrote: To be honest it doesn't say anything like To change your subscription settings or unsubscribe follow this link at the bottom of the e-mail and I bet there is a fair few users who don't keep the original e-mails from when the first sign up. Good point. Is that a setting in Mailman we could alter? To make it so? Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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On 15/01/2009 17:29, Liam Proven wrote: [2] It's a completely Flash-driven site, when Ubuntu doesn't include Flash. This is a political decision - I've been debating it recently on Ubuntu-sounder, in fact. The sad reality is that because of the Ubuntu project's determination to ship only Free software, excluding drivers, when Ubuntu comes out of the box, it's crippled. No Java is a minor problem, no RealPlayer or QuickTime or WindowsMedia is a bigger one, no MP3 support is a big issue, but no Flash is absolutely huge. A great many websites are completely inaccessible because they are entirely Flash-driven. This is again a problem with Ubuntu, but it's a deliberately-chosen one, and I'm not sure if anything can be done about it. But technically the first time you visit a site which requires Flash, Firefox does give you the option to install it with a couple of clicks (plus it gives you a choice of if you want to use Adobe Flash or one of the FLOSS alternatives). I can't say that Java is as simple, I'd love to see something similar for Java too. But as Alan said, Windows doesn't come with any of this pre-installed anyway. I personally think that Ubuntu do a good job, it's certainly more friendly than Debian. Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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Rob Beard wrote: On 15/01/2009 16:35, Sean Miller wrote: On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Yishay Moryish...@gmail.com wrote: No WKOW, something else stopped her. But that's no excuse, computers should work for dumb people too, and everyone deserves to know what they're buying. It doesn't matter that we all know that FF is better than IE, for some people internet=IE, and office=M$. Dell need to explain the concept of compatible slowly, probably using shorter words. I was about to say something similar. She clearly didn't know she was buying a Ubuntu machine and wanted Windows... when Dell support got her call they shouldn't have tried to evangelise, they should have sorted it so that she had what she'd expected. In my experience a lot of so-called Linux evangelists do the operating system more harm than good. Especially when they try to persuade people that Windows is bad and Linux is good, and that if they stick with Windows they're somehow showing a lack of intelligence. There's a man in Glastonbury who does just that, and he's put more people off Linux than he's tuned into it. Sean With any luck maybe one of the members of her local LUG will offer to help her out and show her how to actually use Ubuntu and open her documents etc. If she does get this sorted out and sticks with Ubuntu I hope that the TV station do a follow up story about how the LUG helped her out (although no doubt it wouldn't happen, she'd probably end up getting the laptop replaced by Dell or something). Rob This is one of the reasons I have downloaded and printed 3 flyers off first one explains free software another explains what ubuntu is the third is a devon and cornwall Lug flyer so they can get help i hand these out, and will chase people up, if they are interested, then I will suggest they join the lug, What is needed perhaps is for local users to get together and have demo events, question / answer sessions etc, anything really to help educate users, before they take the plunge, in that order, so they can read about fsf and carry on reading about the others if they want, Who is to say this person is dumb, its up to sales staff to know what they are talking about, so the right product is sold, i saw a cheap eeepc in currys the other day (cheap as it was mis sold), so its happening elsewhere too, most people assume computer = windows most sales people perhaps think the same (why do we see things like company A recommends windows XP, Windows Vista) or whatever, Paul -- Paul Sutton www.zleap.net Support Open and ISO standard file formats e.g ISO 26300 odt http://www.oasis-open.org/home/index.php Next Linux User Group meet : Feb 7th : 3pm (TBC), Shoreline Cafe Paignton -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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Guys, RTFA, or in this case watch the TV piece. She bought a laptop, she wanted to connect to the internet, she stuck the ISP CD in the drawer, it didn't work. She wanted word, she couldn't find it in the menu. If she would have managed to get past these incredible obstacles, she would have crashed on the college website because it would ask her to log in or something. The point is, if Dell are selling laptops, she should provide support, even when a user has problems opening the coffee cup holder. Regardless of OS. As a matter of fact, my experience from supporting friends family is that Ubuntu is a much easier platform to manage from the IT room perspective. ___ Yishay Mor, Researcher, London Knowledge Lab http://www.lkl.ac.uk/people/mor.html http://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=yishaym%40gmail.com +44-20-7837 x5737 2009/1/15 Rob Beard r...@esdelle.co.uk On 15/01/2009 17:29, Liam Proven wrote: [2] It's a completely Flash-driven site, when Ubuntu doesn't include Flash. This is a political decision - I've been debating it recently on Ubuntu-sounder, in fact. The sad reality is that because of the Ubuntu project's determination to ship only Free software, excluding drivers, when Ubuntu comes out of the box, it's crippled. No Java is a minor problem, no RealPlayer or QuickTime or WindowsMedia is a bigger one, no MP3 support is a big issue, but no Flash is absolutely huge. A great many websites are completely inaccessible because they are entirely Flash-driven. This is again a problem with Ubuntu, but it's a deliberately-chosen one, and I'm not sure if anything can be done about it. But technically the first time you visit a site which requires Flash, Firefox does give you the option to install it with a couple of clicks (plus it gives you a choice of if you want to use Adobe Flash or one of the FLOSS alternatives). I can't say that Java is as simple, I'd love to see something similar for Java too. But as Alan said, Windows doesn't come with any of this pre-installed anyway. I personally think that Ubuntu do a good job, it's certainly more friendly than Debian. Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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why do we see things like company A recommends windows XP, Windows Vista Honestly? Because MS has a HUGE marketing budget, and they give kickbacks to others promoting their product. Lee -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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Yishay Mor wrote: http://www.wkowtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=9667184 MCFARLAND (WKOW) -- Abbie Schubert paid more than $1,100 for a Dell laptop hoping to enroll in online classes at MATC. But something stopped her: Ubuntu. No WKOW, something else stopped her. But that's no excuse, computers should work for dumb people too, and everyone deserves to know what they're buying. It doesn't matter that we all know that FF is better than IE, for some people internet=IE, and office=M$. Dell need to explain the concept of compatible slowly, probably using shorter words. When I look at dell site for Ubuntu it is very clear that it is not windows and that 'normal' programs will not work. It is even really really difficult to find dell ubuntu from the normal dell site, and even once you see ubuntu on the screen, you keep finding vista in your basket! Try it a few times in differing routes yourself? Dell say: === What Is Open Source? Open source software is designed in a way that lets multiple people change, improve and redistribute the source code, meaning the software is generally community developed and available for free. An advantage of open source is that it can deliver more reliability and flexibility, as well as faster updates and fixes, all at a lower cost. Plus, if you’re an expert, you can tweak and alter the code to completely customise the software to do exactly what you want. A downside is that some open source software requires intermediate or advanced knowledge to use, and in the case of operating systems, may not be compatible with the same software applications and hardware as Windows operating systems. === Are these words short enough? I do *not* believe this is a genuine case. Someone who is clever enough to play the system to the ISP and to the college, in this way, and not to mention play the FUD onto the internet, is simply not going to be buying such a non standard machine by accident. -- alan cocks Ubuntu user #10391 Linux user #360648 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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LeeGroups wrote: why do we see things like company A recommends windows XP, Windows Vista Honestly? Because MS has a HUGE marketing budget, and they give kickbacks to others promoting their product. Lee The best thing we can do, is promote the alternatives, talk to people hand out info, arrange demo events, install events and follow these up with support and try and be as helpful as we can on here, other forums, / lists and irc Paul -- Paul Sutton www.zleap.net Support Open and ISO standard file formats e.g ISO 26300 odt http://www.oasis-open.org/home/index.php Next Linux User Group meet : Feb 7th : 3pm (TBC), Shoreline Cafe Paignton -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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Sean Miller wrote: On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 5:35 PM, Ian Betteridge i...@ianbetteridge.co.uk wrote: I'm not going to point out that refering to someone as the bird like that is patronising and sexist. Oh not. Not for my first post to the list. Oh dear, I just did... Well, I meant it in the nicest possible sense. Better than the dumbest blonde in the world or whatever the poor lady (not the one who unsubscribed, as far as I know, but the mad Yank I alluded to!!) was described elsewhere on the list today. Let's try to avoid getting too PC. bird, gal, fella, geezer, other 'alf, trouble and strife etc. are all colloqiualisms which aren't really sexist or patronising at all, unless one decides to make them so. 'bird' and 'trouble strife' are perjoratives, and certainly are sexist. There is no relation between gender and having difficulty with mailing lists. John -- John Levin http://www.technolalia.org/blog/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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When I first switched to Ubuntu around 18 months ago, I thought it was so much easier to use that Windows. From using Windows from 6 years old (back on Win95) until I was 16, then switching to Ubuntu, I was incredibly impressed with how easy it was to use everything, considering all I had to go was click 'Internet' then 'Web Browser', and 'Office' then 'Word Processor'. That makes me think that, unless there was some 'technical' reason as to why she couldn't connect to the internet, like as said, a USB modem, she clearly didn't read anything on the menus. The thing that took me a while to get used to was applications menu being at the top of the screen. I think it would be good to promote free / open source software or Linux / Ubuntu more, so people are more aware of the differences, and how Linux works, and mostly how it isn't Windows! I've had a few friends consider switching to Ubuntu (mostly from being impressed by Compiz) and get intreseted in having free software, but the main problem they have is the lack of support avaliable to hand. They arn't fans of using forums, (and some of them don't even get what it is!) and I've moved away for university, so if something went wrong they'd be stuck. 2009/1/15 Paul Sutton zl...@zleap.net LeeGroups wrote: why do we see things like company A recommends windows XP, Windows Vista Honestly? Because MS has a HUGE marketing budget, and they give kickbacks to others promoting their product. Lee The best thing we can do, is promote the alternatives, talk to people hand out info, arrange demo events, install events and follow these up with support and try and be as helpful as we can on here, other forums, / lists and irc Paul -- Paul Sutton www.zleap.net Support Open and ISO standard file formats e.g ISO 26300 odt http://www.oasis-open.org/home/index.php Next Linux User Group meet : Feb 7th : 3pm (TBC), Shoreline Cafe Paignton -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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Simon Wears wrote: When I first switched to Ubuntu around 18 months ago, I thought it was so much easier to use that Windows. From using Windows from 6 years old (back on Win95) until I was 16, then switching to Ubuntu, I was incredibly impressed with how easy it was to use everything, considering all I had to go was click 'Internet' then 'Web Browser', and 'Office' then 'Word Processor'. That makes me think that, unless there was some 'technical' reason as to why she couldn't connect to the internet, like as said, a USB modem, she clearly didn't read anything on the menus. The thing that took me a while to get used to was applications menu being at the top of the screen. I think it would be good to promote free / open source software or Linux / Ubuntu more, so people are more aware of the differences, and how Linux works, and mostly how it isn't Windows! I've had a few friends consider switching to Ubuntu (mostly from being impressed by Compiz) and get intreseted in having free software, but the main problem they have is the lack of support avaliable to hand. They arn't fans of using forums, (and some of them don't even get what it is!) and I've moved away for university, so if something went wrong they'd be stuck. This is where I get sneaky.. I put OpenVPN on their systems, connecting in to my personal server on the internet. As their OpenVPN connects OUT, it by-passes their firewall. I then add openssh-server. If you're paranoid, you can restrict it to listen on just the VPN interface. As long as their computer is on, and connected to the internet, you can access it remotely to support them :-) Johnathon -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Sad but true? From the Register
The annoying thing is, I can't seem to do that! I live in halls at university, and I thought I'd try something like that to help fix my mums pc back home, so I tried a few things (Gitso is the only one who's name I remember) and non of them work, due to not being able to use many ports on the halls internet. Which just goes go show, Manchester Met uni admins are no fun :( 2009/1/15 Johnathon Tinsley kir...@kirrus.co.uk Simon Wears wrote: When I first switched to Ubuntu around 18 months ago, I thought it was so much easier to use that Windows. From using Windows from 6 years old (back on Win95) until I was 16, then switching to Ubuntu, I was incredibly impressed with how easy it was to use everything, considering all I had to go was click 'Internet' then 'Web Browser', and 'Office' then 'Word Processor'. That makes me think that, unless there was some 'technical' reason as to why she couldn't connect to the internet, like as said, a USB modem, she clearly didn't read anything on the menus. The thing that took me a while to get used to was applications menu being at the top of the screen. I think it would be good to promote free / open source software or Linux / Ubuntu more, so people are more aware of the differences, and how Linux works, and mostly how it isn't Windows! I've had a few friends consider switching to Ubuntu (mostly from being impressed by Compiz) and get intreseted in having free software, but the main problem they have is the lack of support avaliable to hand. They arn't fans of using forums, (and some of them don't even get what it is!) and I've moved away for university, so if something went wrong they'd be stuck. This is where I get sneaky.. I put OpenVPN on their systems, connecting in to my personal server on the internet. As their OpenVPN connects OUT, it by-passes their firewall. I then add openssh-server. If you're paranoid, you can restrict it to listen on just the VPN interface. As long as their computer is on, and connected to the internet, you can access it remotely to support them :-) Johnathon -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- Simon Wears munkyju...@gmail.com | http://MunkyJunky.com Manchester Metropolitan University Computing Student -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unsuscrib
Coming from a bird and a Yank myself... John said it best. However I know that Sean meant bird in a playful sense, not really sexist in the context. But just watch what ya say because it's a huge mailing list and not everyone responds (like myself). I guess I'm finally getting the British humor after living here over a year! Yes...it's humor no u. :) Lizzeh.com Support Open Source! On 15 Jan 2009, at 20:27, John Levin wrote: Sean Miller wrote: On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 5:35 PM, Ian Betteridge i...@ianbetteridge.co.uk wrote: I'm not going to point out that refering to someone as the bird like that is patronising and sexist. Oh not. Not for my first post to the list. Oh dear, I just did... Well, I meant it in the nicest possible sense. Better than the dumbest blonde in the world or whatever the poor lady (not the one who unsubscribed, as far as I know, but the mad Yank I alluded to!!) was described elsewhere on the list today. Let's try to avoid getting too PC. bird, gal, fella, geezer, other 'alf, trouble and strife etc. are all colloqiualisms which aren't really sexist or patronising at all, unless one decides to make them so. 'bird' and 'trouble strife' are perjoratives, and certainly are sexist. There is no relation between gender and having difficulty with mailing lists. John -- John Levin http://www.technolalia.org/blog/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unsuscrib
2009/1/15 Lizzeh Rodriguez liz...@gmail.com: Coming from a bird and a Yank myself... John said it best. However I know that Sean meant bird in a playful sense, not really sexist in the context. But just watch what ya say because it's a huge mailing list and not everyone responds (like myself). I guess I'm finally getting the British humor after living here over a year! +1 We're at nearly 550 people on this list which is pretty impressive. Lets keep it nice and friendly :) Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unsuscrib
There should ALWAYS be a U! =P Even in words that don't require one. Like.. foloffle. 2009/1/15 Lizzeh Rodriguez liz...@gmail.com Coming from a bird and a Yank myself... John said it best. However I know that Sean meant bird in a playful sense, not really sexist in the context. But just watch what ya say because it's a huge mailing list and not everyone responds (like myself). I guess I'm finally getting the British humor after living here over a year! Yes...it's humor no u. :) Lizzeh.com Support Open Source! On 15 Jan 2009, at 20:27, John Levin wrote: Sean Miller wrote: On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 5:35 PM, Ian Betteridge i...@ianbetteridge.co.uk wrote: I'm not going to point out that refering to someone as the bird like that is patronising and sexist. Oh not. Not for my first post to the list. Oh dear, I just did... Well, I meant it in the nicest possible sense. Better than the dumbest blonde in the world or whatever the poor lady (not the one who unsubscribed, as far as I know, but the mad Yank I alluded to!!) was described elsewhere on the list today. Let's try to avoid getting too PC. bird, gal, fella, geezer, other 'alf, trouble and strife etc. are all colloqiualisms which aren't really sexist or patronising at all, unless one decides to make them so. 'bird' and 'trouble strife' are perjoratives, and certainly are sexist. There is no relation between gender and having difficulty with mailing lists. John -- John Levin http://www.technolalia.org/blog/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- Simon Wears munkyju...@gmail.com | http://MunkyJunky.com Manchester Metropolitan University Computing Student -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unsuscrib
To my credit, I'm starting to pronounce the H in herbs. :| I've betrayed my New Yawk roots! BinaryDigit on UbuntuForums.org Lizzeh.com Support Open Source! On 15 Jan 2009, at 21:28, Simon Wears wrote: There should ALWAYS be a U! =P Even in words that don't require one. Like.. foloffle. 2009/1/15 Lizzeh Rodriguez liz...@gmail.com Coming from a bird and a Yank myself... John said it best. However I know that Sean meant bird in a playful sense, not really sexist in the context. But just watch what ya say because it's a huge mailing list and not everyone responds (like myself). I guess I'm finally getting the British humor after living here over a year! Yes...it's humor no u. :) Lizzeh.com Support Open Source! On 15 Jan 2009, at 20:27, John Levin wrote: Sean Miller wrote: On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 5:35 PM, Ian Betteridge i...@ianbetteridge.co.uk wrote: I'm not going to point out that refering to someone as the bird like that is patronising and sexist. Oh not. Not for my first post to the list. Oh dear, I just did... Well, I meant it in the nicest possible sense. Better than the dumbest blonde in the world or whatever the poor lady (not the one who unsubscribed, as far as I know, but the mad Yank I alluded to!!) was described elsewhere on the list today. Let's try to avoid getting too PC. bird, gal, fella, geezer, other 'alf, trouble and strife etc. are all colloqiualisms which aren't really sexist or patronising at all, unless one decides to make them so. 'bird' and 'trouble strife' are perjoratives, and certainly are sexist. There is no relation between gender and having difficulty with mailing lists. John -- John Levin http://www.technolalia.org/blog/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- Simon Wears munkyju...@gmail.com | http://MunkyJunky.com Manchester Metropolitan University Computing Student -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unsuscrib
Move to Hampshire - there are very few H's making an appearance Lizzeh Rodriguez wrote: To my credit, I'm starting to pronounce the H in herbs. :| I've betrayed my New Yawk roots! BinaryDigit on UbuntuForums.org Lizzeh.com Support Open Source! On 15 Jan 2009, at 21:28, Simon Wears wrote: There should ALWAYS be a U! =P Even in words that don't require one. Like.. foloffle. 2009/1/15 Lizzeh Rodriguez liz...@gmail.com mailto:liz...@gmail.com Coming from a bird and a Yank myself... John said it best. However I know that Sean meant bird in a playful sense, not really sexist in the context. But just watch what ya say because it's a huge mailing list and not everyone responds (like myself). I guess I'm finally getting the British humor after living here over a year! Yes...it's humor no u. :) Lizzeh.com Support Open Source! On 15 Jan 2009, at 20:27, John Levin wrote: Sean Miller wrote: On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 5:35 PM, Ian Betteridge i...@ianbetteridge.co.uk mailto:i...@ianbetteridge.co.uk wrote: I'm not going to point out that refering to someone as the bird like that is patronising and sexist. Oh not. Not for my first post to the list. Oh dear, I just did... Well, I meant it in the nicest possible sense. Better than the dumbest blonde in the world or whatever the poor lady (not the one who unsubscribed, as far as I know, but the mad Yank I alluded to!!) was described elsewhere on the list today. Let's try to avoid getting too PC. bird, gal, fella, geezer, other 'alf, trouble and strife etc. are all colloqiualisms which aren't really sexist or patronising at all, unless one decides to make them so. 'bird' and 'trouble strife' are perjoratives, and certainly are sexist. There is no relation between gender and having difficulty with mailing lists. John -- John Levin http://www.technolalia.org/blog/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com mailto:ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com mailto:ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- Simon Wears munkyju...@gmail.com mailto:munkyju...@gmail.com | http://MunkyJunky.com Manchester Metropolitan University Computing Student -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com mailto:ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Remote support was Sad but true? From the Register
On 15/01/2009 21:02, Simon Wears wrote: The annoying thing is, I can't seem to do that! I live in halls at university, and I thought I'd try something like that to help fix my mums pc back home, so I tried a few things (Gitso is the only one who's name I remember) and non of them work, due to not being able to use many ports on the halls internet. Which just goes go show, Manchester Met uni admins are no fun :( Is your mum's PC running on Ubuntu or Windows? If she's running Windows (or MacOS X) you might get away with Logmein (www.logmein.com) which is a free remote control application. It connects through the Logmein servers and has a nice easy to use web interface. I've just fixed my dad's internet connection remotely using it. Luckily because he had a Three mobile broadband modem I was able to connect into his desktop using that. The only issue I found was deploying the application to remote computers. There is a free trial where you can get it to send someone an e-mail and they click on the link and it automatically installs the application, otherwise you can download an installer and then e-mail it over to a remote user and talk them through installing it over the phone. Other than that, if it's an Ubuntu desktop, could you try getting her router to forward port 80 or 443 on the router to port 22 on her machine and install OpenSSH? You could then possibly setup a tunnel to her machine. Hopefully the uni would just think it's web server it's connecting to. Or your final option would probably be to pick up a Pay As You Go mobile broadband modem on something like T-Mobile or O2 where you pay per day (might work out cheaper if you don't use it much). HTH Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unsuscrib
I resemble that remark, coming from Ampshire! I am a Ampshire Hogg!! - Original Message - From: piskie ubu...@talktalk.net To: British Ubuntu Talk ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 9:49 PM Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unsuscrib Move to Hampshire - there are very few H's making an appearance Lizzeh Rodriguez wrote: To my credit, I'm starting to pronounce the H in herbs. :| I've betrayed my New Yawk roots! BinaryDigit on UbuntuForums.org Lizzeh.com Support Open Source! On 15 Jan 2009, at 21:28, Simon Wears wrote: There should ALWAYS be a U! =P Even in words that don't require one. Like.. foloffle. 2009/1/15 Lizzeh Rodriguez liz...@gmail.com mailto:liz...@gmail.com Coming from a bird and a Yank myself... John said it best. However I know that Sean meant bird in a playful sense, not really sexist in the context. But just watch what ya say because it's a huge mailing list and not everyone responds (like myself). I guess I'm finally getting the British humor after living here over a year! Yes...it's humor no u. :) Lizzeh.com Support Open Source! On 15 Jan 2009, at 20:27, John Levin wrote: Sean Miller wrote: On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 5:35 PM, Ian Betteridge i...@ianbetteridge.co.uk mailto:i...@ianbetteridge.co.uk wrote: I'm not going to point out that refering to someone as the bird like that is patronising and sexist. Oh not. Not for my first post to the list. Oh dear, I just did... Well, I meant it in the nicest possible sense. Better than the dumbest blonde in the world or whatever the poor lady (not the one who unsubscribed, as far as I know, but the mad Yank I alluded to!!) was described elsewhere on the list today. Let's try to avoid getting too PC. bird, gal, fella, geezer, other 'alf, trouble and strife etc. are all colloqiualisms which aren't really sexist or patronising at all, unless one decides to make them so. 'bird' and 'trouble strife' are perjoratives, and certainly are sexist. There is no relation between gender and having difficulty with mailing lists. John -- John Levin http://www.technolalia.org/blog/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com mailto:ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com mailto:ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- Simon Wears munkyju...@gmail.com mailto:munkyju...@gmail.com | http://MunkyJunky.com Manchester Metropolitan University Computing Student -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com mailto:ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unsuscrib
I am s glad, I thought I was alone Dr James Stevens-Turner wrote: I resemble that remark, coming from Ampshire! I am a Ampshire Hogg!! - Original Message - From: piskie ubu...@talktalk.net To: British Ubuntu Talk ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 9:49 PM Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unsuscrib Move to Hampshire - there are very few H's making an appearance Lizzeh Rodriguez wrote: To my credit, I'm starting to pronounce the H in herbs. :| I've betrayed my New Yawk roots! BinaryDigit on UbuntuForums.org Lizzeh.com Support Open Source! On 15 Jan 2009, at 21:28, Simon Wears wrote: There should ALWAYS be a U! =P Even in words that don't require one. Like.. foloffle. 2009/1/15 Lizzeh Rodriguez liz...@gmail.com mailto:liz...@gmail.com Coming from a bird and a Yank myself... John said it best. However I know that Sean meant bird in a playful sense, not really sexist in the context. But just watch what ya say because it's a huge mailing list and not everyone responds (like myself). I guess I'm finally getting the British humor after living here over a year! Yes...it's humor no u. :) Lizzeh.com Support Open Source! On 15 Jan 2009, at 20:27, John Levin wrote: Sean Miller wrote: On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 5:35 PM, Ian Betteridge i...@ianbetteridge.co.uk mailto:i...@ianbetteridge.co.uk wrote: I'm not going to point out that refering to someone as the bird like that is patronising and sexist. Oh not. Not for my first post to the list. Oh dear, I just did... Well, I meant it in the nicest possible sense. Better than the dumbest blonde in the world or whatever the poor lady (not the one who unsubscribed, as far as I know, but the mad Yank I alluded to!!) was described elsewhere on the list today. Let's try to avoid getting too PC. bird, gal, fella, geezer, other 'alf, trouble and strife etc. are all colloqiualisms which aren't really sexist or patronising at all, unless one decides to make them so. 'bird' and 'trouble strife' are perjoratives, and certainly are sexist. There is no relation between gender and having difficulty with mailing lists. John -- John Levin http://www.technolalia.org/blog/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com mailto:ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com mailto:ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- Simon Wears munkyju...@gmail.com mailto:munkyju...@gmail.com | http://MunkyJunky.com Manchester Metropolitan University Computing Student -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com mailto:ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Hampshire
Whist the list is mentioning Hampshire, I thought I'd mention that Hampshire LUG are having a meeting on Saturday at Southampton University. All are welcome to come along. We have talks (I'll be giving one), open discussion and box-fixing :) Hope to see other 'ampshire types there! Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unsuscrib
I'm in Reading, sort of close to 'Ampshire Anyone else from here? Lizzeh.com Support Open Source! On 15 Jan 2009, at 22:13, piskie wrote: I am s glad, I thought I was alone Dr James Stevens-Turner wrote: I resemble that remark, coming from Ampshire! I am a Ampshire Hogg!! - Original Message - From: piskie ubu...@talktalk.net To: British Ubuntu Talk ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 9:49 PM Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unsuscrib Move to Hampshire - there are very few H's making an appearance Lizzeh Rodriguez wrote: To my credit, I'm starting to pronounce the H in herbs. :| I've betrayed my New Yawk roots! BinaryDigit on UbuntuForums.org Lizzeh.com Support Open Source! On 15 Jan 2009, at 21:28, Simon Wears wrote: There should ALWAYS be a U! =P Even in words that don't require one. Like.. foloffle. 2009/1/15 Lizzeh Rodriguez liz...@gmail.com mailto:liz...@gmail.com Coming from a bird and a Yank myself... John said it best. However I know that Sean meant bird in a playful sense, not really sexist in the context. But just watch what ya say because it's a huge mailing list and not everyone responds (like myself). I guess I'm finally getting the British humor after living here over a year! Yes...it's humor no u. :) Lizzeh.com Support Open Source! On 15 Jan 2009, at 20:27, John Levin wrote: Sean Miller wrote: On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 5:35 PM, Ian Betteridge i...@ianbetteridge.co.uk mailto:i...@ianbetteridge.co.uk wrote: I'm not going to point out that refering to someone as the bird like that is patronising and sexist. Oh not. Not for my first post to the list. Oh dear, I just did... Well, I meant it in the nicest possible sense. Better than the dumbest blonde in the world or whatever the poor lady (not the one who unsubscribed, as far as I know, but the mad Yank I alluded to!!) was described elsewhere on the list today. Let's try to avoid getting too PC. bird, gal, fella, geezer, other 'alf, trouble and strife etc. are all colloqiualisms which aren't really sexist or patronising at all, unless one decides to make them so. 'bird' and 'trouble strife' are perjoratives, and certainly are sexist. There is no relation between gender and having difficulty with mailing lists. John -- John Levin http://www.technolalia.org/blog/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com mailto:ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com mailto:ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- Simon Wears munkyju...@gmail.com mailto:munkyju...@gmail.com | http://MunkyJunky.com Manchester Metropolitan University Computing Student -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com mailto:ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Sad but true? From the Register
[2] It's a completely Flash-driven site, when Ubuntu doesn't include Flash. This is a political decision - I've been debating it recently on Ubuntu-sounder, in fact. The sad reality is that because of the Ubuntu project's determination to ship only Free software, excluding drivers, when Ubuntu comes out of the box, it's crippled. I know those pesky Ubuntu people with their morals and ethics. I have never had Ubuntu come out of the box crippled as you put it. Sure it may be missing a few things, but installation of these items, if you desire then and I don't, are easy. This is again a problem with Ubuntu, but it's a deliberately-chosen one, and I'm not sure if anything can be done about it. It's more than that it is what Ubuntu stands for. But whatever the issue was, by just making unhelpful mocking comments, you're not contributing. As the saying goes, if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem... Your solution seems to be to include non-free software because it is convenient. George -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unsuscrib
No, but I do live in 'ereford though. :D mattj On 1/15/09, Lizzeh Rodriguez liz...@gmail.com wrote: I'm in Reading, sort of close to 'Ampshire Anyone else from here? Lizzeh.com Support Open Source! On 15 Jan 2009, at 22:13, piskie wrote: I am s glad, I thought I was alone Dr James Stevens-Turner wrote: I resemble that remark, coming from Ampshire! I am a Ampshire Hogg!! - Original Message - From: piskie ubu...@talktalk.net To: British Ubuntu Talk ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 9:49 PM Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unsuscrib Move to Hampshire - there are very few H's making an appearance Lizzeh Rodriguez wrote: To my credit, I'm starting to pronounce the H in herbs. :| I've betrayed my New Yawk roots! BinaryDigit on UbuntuForums.org Lizzeh.com Support Open Source! On 15 Jan 2009, at 21:28, Simon Wears wrote: There should ALWAYS be a U! =P Even in words that don't require one. Like.. foloffle. 2009/1/15 Lizzeh Rodriguez liz...@gmail.com mailto: liz...@gmail.com Coming from a bird and a Yank myself... John said it best. However I know that Sean meant bird in a playful sense, not really sexist in the context. But just watch what ya say because it's a huge mailing list and not everyone responds (like myself). I guess I'm finally getting the British humor after living here over a year! Yes...it's humor no u. :) Lizzeh.com Support Open Source! On 15 Jan 2009, at 20:27, John Levin wrote: Sean Miller wrote: On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 5:35 PM, Ian Betteridge i...@ianbetteridge.co.uk mailto:i...@ianbetteridge.co.uk wrote: I'm not going to point out that refering to someone as the bird like that is patronising and sexist. Oh not. Not for my first post to the list. Oh dear, I just did... Well, I meant it in the nicest possible sense. Better than the dumbest blonde in the world or whatever the poor lady (not the one who unsubscribed, as far as I know, but the mad Yank I alluded to!!) was described elsewhere on the list today. Let's try to avoid getting too PC. bird, gal, fella, geezer, other 'alf, trouble and strife etc. are all colloqiualisms which aren't really sexist or patronising at all, unless one decides to make them so. 'bird' and 'trouble strife' are perjoratives, and certainly are sexist. There is no relation between gender and having difficulty with mailing lists. John -- John Levin http://www.technolalia.org/blog/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com mailto:ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com mailto:ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- Simon Wears munkyju...@gmail.com mailto:munkyju...@gmail.com | http://MunkyJunky.com Manchester Metropolitan University Computing Student -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com mailto:ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Reading (was: Unscrib)
On Thu, 15 Jan 2009, Lizzeh Rodriguez wrote: I'm in Reading, sort of close to 'Ampshire Anyone else from here? Ah ha! The famous Reeding near Sluff. -Paul -- Why do one side of a triangle when you can do all three. Somewhere, GB. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unsuscrib
On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 09:22:17PM +, Lizzeh Rodriguez wrote: Yes...it's humor no u. :) hmor? signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unsuscrib
On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 10:30:57PM +, Lizzeh Rodriguez wrote: I'm in Reading, sort of close to 'Ampshire Anyone else from here? Used to be there till July last year. Unfortunately, life brought me back to birmingham signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unsuscrib
Heh classic, that reminds of my school days and this kid whose surname was Samuel hated being called Samuels, he said no S so we asked him, 'Amuel? Anyway back to the point, it is Humour!! (Ironically firefox spellchecker doesn't recognise humour.) On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 12:50 AM, Martin Meredith m...@ubuntu.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 09:22:17PM +, Lizzeh Rodriguez wrote: Yes...it's humor no u. :) hmor? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAklv2cEACgkQJATtOmqqpWlrPwCfaSHfgWvf3NLLdM/A7L9e3uM9 68QAnjYHhTh9GyszHFOYDvvosYP5dd0j =4Nis -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Remote support was Sad but true? From the Register
My family run Windows XP. I'll have a look into that, thank you for the link! Setting it up wouldn't be too difficult, my mum gets how to use a computer and is fairly good at fixing them with simple things, this is more for the advanced stuff that explaining to her just makes her utterly confused. I recently got myself an iPhone, so I could attempt to use it as a 3G modem, possibly. Unfortunately, she isn't running Ubuntu yet, but eventually I'll get her to switch. I'm just waiting for Windows to kill itself (again) then I can put Ubuntu on it for a week, and she can decide if she wants to switch. 2009/1/15 Rob Beard r...@esdelle.co.uk On 15/01/2009 21:02, Simon Wears wrote: The annoying thing is, I can't seem to do that! I live in halls at university, and I thought I'd try something like that to help fix my mums pc back home, so I tried a few things (Gitso is the only one who's name I remember) and non of them work, due to not being able to use many ports on the halls internet. Which just goes go show, Manchester Met uni admins are no fun :( Is your mum's PC running on Ubuntu or Windows? If she's running Windows (or MacOS X) you might get away with Logmein (www.logmein.com) which is a free remote control application. It connects through the Logmein servers and has a nice easy to use web interface. I've just fixed my dad's internet connection remotely using it. Luckily because he had a Three mobile broadband modem I was able to connect into his desktop using that. The only issue I found was deploying the application to remote computers. There is a free trial where you can get it to send someone an e-mail and they click on the link and it automatically installs the application, otherwise you can download an installer and then e-mail it over to a remote user and talk them through installing it over the phone. Other than that, if it's an Ubuntu desktop, could you try getting her router to forward port 80 or 443 on the router to port 22 on her machine and install OpenSSH? You could then possibly setup a tunnel to her machine. Hopefully the uni would just think it's web server it's connecting to. Or your final option would probably be to pick up a Pay As You Go mobile broadband modem on something like T-Mobile or O2 where you pay per day (might work out cheaper if you don't use it much). HTH Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- Simon Wears munkyju...@gmail.com | http://MunkyJunky.com Manchester Metropolitan University Computing Student -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Media players with video
The only issue I've got with Ubuntu is the media player selection. I'm trying to find a nice media player (preferably GTK, and very preferably not mono) but I'm having a hard time - specifically because I'd like one that supports video podcasts. I've tried a few, but I've not really been to happy, including: - RythmBox - Great simple music player, but I can't get video podcasts, which is the major letdown. - Banshee - I liked this because it wwas very similar to Rythmbox, but I can get video podcasts. I however had a few bugs using it, such as when I clicked 'Skip track' on the notification box for Now Playing, it opened my dropbox, and I never understood why. Also, after a few episodes, podcasts stop downloading / being readable, by which I mean they either failed to download, or they downloaded, and Banshee decided they were corrupted. After deleting and retrying, it still happaned. - Amarok - Amarok 1.4 is my favourite media player, but no video support. Amarok 2, although it has video support, was a big let-down for me, and I really don't like the new interface. Also, after subscribing to a podcast in it, it didn't seem to want to download anything reguardless of what I did. I'm sure there's one out there, but I can't find it. Anyone know of one that may make me happy? Cheers, -- Simon Wears munkyju...@gmail.com | http://MunkyJunky.com Manchester Metropolitan University Computing Student -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Mac Frustration (was Remote support was Sad but true? etc.)
On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 1:48 AM, Simon Wears munkyju...@googlemail.com wrote: Usually I am wary of tempting people to switch, but since it's my mum I know Ubuntu will do exactly what she needs without any hiccups (well, non I can think of) since all she does is type up work things, and check her emails / look for holidays online. And I have to do all the technical work at home anyway, her switching would just mean I can actually say 'just type this and hit enter' rather than try remember how to do everything on Windows. True!! Anybody else find the rabid desire to be different from Apple to be distinctly disconcerting?? Having grown up in a Unix/VT220 environment to find that there is no ctrl key and everything is done differently is, to say the least, rather alien. I mean, ctrl-c to cancel... been there since time and memorium... how come Steve Jobs gets to redefine it? Means that when folks ask me about switching to Macs, which people seem to increasingly do, I am rather jaded. I accept their positives but I also am befuddled as to why they seem to have created for their converts such a steep learning curve, forcing them to throw out everything they are used to and buy into a completely different regime. Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Mac Frustration (was Remote support was Sad but true? etc.)
I'm very uncomfortable using Apple computers. My friend bought one about 2 years ago, I still struggle to use it. It seems to try to be different so much, it becomes a little unusable (in my opinion). Case example is (again, 2 years ago) I started college. My girlfriend is an artist, and had to do some work in Photoshop. She took me up to the art computers to help her get used to it, and I was utterly confused about how to even OPEN Photoshop! Then, getting the pictures from her camera was a pain, so we decided to close the program. I couldn't even work out how to do that... When people ask me about getting a Mac, I often tell them to instead bring their laptop in sometime, and I could give them Ubuntu, meaning they get increased performance, better security, an OS that would do everything they needed, and wouldnt have to spend £1000 on a Mac. Ubuntu is (obviously) not Windows, but people who come use my computer get how to do everything instantly from never having even heard of Linux before. The most anyone has every been lost is by acidentally switching to another desktop and thinking everything closed. I think Ubuntu is so much nicer to switch to, it takes very few brain cells. 2009/1/16 Sean Miller s...@seanmiller.net On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 1:48 AM, Simon Wears munkyju...@googlemail.com wrote: Usually I am wary of tempting people to switch, but since it's my mum I know Ubuntu will do exactly what she needs without any hiccups (well, non I can think of) since all she does is type up work things, and check her emails / look for holidays online. And I have to do all the technical work at home anyway, her switching would just mean I can actually say 'just type this and hit enter' rather than try remember how to do everything on Windows. True!! Anybody else find the rabid desire to be different from Apple to be distinctly disconcerting?? Having grown up in a Unix/VT220 environment to find that there is no ctrl key and everything is done differently is, to say the least, rather alien. I mean, ctrl-c to cancel... been there since time and memorium... how come Steve Jobs gets to redefine it? Means that when folks ask me about switching to Macs, which people seem to increasingly do, I am rather jaded. I accept their positives but I also am befuddled as to why they seem to have created for their converts such a steep learning curve, forcing them to throw out everything they are used to and buy into a completely different regime. Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- Simon Wears munkyju...@gmail.com | http://MunkyJunky.com Manchester Metropolitan University Computing Student -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
