[ubuntu-uk] Joiku wireless connection......
Hi everybody, I have decided that using the orange dongle just isnt working, so I am trying something else. Its called Joiku. I just wondered if anybody has used it before and got it to work. I have set it up according to the instructions, but it keeps asking for the encryption key. I found this, and just wondered if anybody had any ideas about it, and if it has anything to do with the encryption key problem:- http://drupal4hu.com/node/172 If I did what that suggests would it help? Thank you. John. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Joiku wireless connection......
2009/3/25 John jake...@sky.com: Hi everybody, I have decided that using the orange dongle just isnt working, so I am trying something else. Its called Joiku. I just wondered if anybody has used it before and got it to work. I'm typing this mail whilst sat on the train connected via wifi to my phone which is running the pay-for version of Joikuspot. I have set it up according to the instructions, but it keeps asking for the encryption key. I had a similar issue when I tried to use WEP passphrase, but instead use WEP open, and it works fine. Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Joiku wireless connection......
Alan Pope wrote: 2009/3/25 John jake...@sky.com: Hi everybody, I have decided that using the orange dongle just isnt working, so I am trying something else. Its called Joiku. I just wondered if anybody has used it before and got it to work. I'm typing this mail whilst sat on the train connected via wifi to my phone which is running the pay-for version of Joikuspot. I have set it up according to the instructions, but it keeps asking for the encryption key. I had a similar issue when I tried to use WEP passphrase, but instead use WEP open, and it works fine. Cheers, Al. Hi Alan, Thank you for your reply, that is really good to know it works. I am so sorry to ask, but what settings do you have on your phone, mine are 802.11 Channel 1 Encryption Open Encryption key Type ASC11 Encryption Key length 128bit with an encription key. I have tried to set it to Open, but still am getting asked to add the encryption key. :( John. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Joiku wireless connection......
Alan Pope wrote: 2009/3/25 John jake...@sky.com: Hi everybody, I have decided that using the orange dongle just isnt working, so I am trying something else. Its called Joiku. I just wondered if anybody has used it before and got it to work. I'm typing this mail whilst sat on the train connected via wifi to my phone which is running the pay-for version of Joikuspot. I have set it up according to the instructions, but it keeps asking for the encryption key. I had a similar issue when I tried to use WEP passphrase, but instead use WEP open, and it works fine. Cheers, Al. Forgot to ask, on your netbook, is the Mode set to adhoc? Or something else? I'm still not able to connect, its still asking me for encryption key. John. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Joiku wireless connection......
2009/3/25 John jake...@sky.com: Forgot to ask, on your netbook, is the Mode set to adhoc? Or something else? I'm still not able to connect, its still asking me for encryption key. I just click on the network in network manager - it has an ad-hoc icon, but I don't have to explicitly tell it that, network manager figures that out. You might want to right click network manager and get in the connection editor get rid of the existing entry for your phone and add a new one from scratch. Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Joiku wireless connection......
I use it on my N95, it just works from what I can tell, it asks to connect to the 3g connection, then sets up an unencrypted acess point. What phone are you using? On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 8:55 AM, John jake...@sky.com wrote: Hi everybody, I have decided that using the orange dongle just isnt working, so I am trying something else. Its called Joiku. I just wondered if anybody has used it before and got it to work. I have set it up according to the instructions, but it keeps asking for the encryption key. I found this, and just wondered if anybody had any ideas about it, and if it has anything to do with the encryption key problem:- http://drupal4hu.com/node/172 If I did what that suggests would it help? Thank you. John. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Joiku wireless connection......
2009/3/25 Matt Jones m...@mattjones.me.uk: I use it on my N95, it just works from what I can tell, it asks to connect to the 3g connection, then sets up an unencrypted acess point. What phone are you using? I used to have my one unencrypted, but too many people on trains started using it which slowed it down for me. On one occasion someone using a mac started using it, so I opened up Pidgin and enabled the bonjour protocol, knowing that the Mac iChat program supports it. I could then see in pidgin the person using my wifi. I sent them a message along the lines of.. Hello, Yes, you can use my wifi :) Yay open protocols. Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Joiku wireless connection......
Alan Pope wrote: 2009/3/25 John jake...@sky.com: Forgot to ask, on your netbook, is the Mode set to adhoc? Or something else? I'm still not able to connect, its still asking me for encryption key. I just click on the network in network manager - it has an ad-hoc icon, but I don't have to explicitly tell it that, network manager figures that out. You might want to right click network manager and get in the connection editor get rid of the existing entry for your phone and add a new one from scratch. Cheers, Al. Thanks both for your messages. My phone is a Nokia E71. I'll remove everything and start all over again, see if that helps. :) -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Joiku wireless connection......
Alan Pope wrote: 2009/3/25 Matt Jones m...@mattjones.me.uk: I use it on my N95, it just works from what I can tell, it asks to connect to the 3g connection, then sets up an unencrypted acess point. What phone are you using? I used to have my one unencrypted, but too many people on trains started using it which slowed it down for me. On one occasion someone using a mac started using it, so I opened up Pidgin and enabled the bonjour protocol, knowing that the Mac iChat program supports it. I could then see in pidgin the person using my wifi. I sent them a message along the lines of.. "Hello", "Yes, you can use my wifi" :) Yay open protocols. Cheers, Al. I did think about using it unencrypted, but I dont have that much bandwidth to use. Its enough, but not for everybody to use. I bet he was surprised when you said hi, lol. Its stupid, the signal is almost full, really good signal, but it wont connect. :( The box keeps coming up for the key. Have tried without as well, and it still wont work without the encryption key. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Joiku wireless connection......
2009/3/25 John jake...@sky.com: I bet he was surprised when you said hi, lol. She was :) Conversation with a...@macintosh-6 at Tue 24 Feb 2009 18:32:03 GMT on po...@mother (bonjour) (18:32:05) po...@mother: hello! (18:32:14) po...@mother: No, I don't mind you using my wifi (18:32:19) po...@mother: It doesn't work in bridges though (18:32:31) abigail: i thought it was the trains (18:32:35) po...@mother: I wish (18:32:36) abigail: sorry (18:32:38) po...@mother: no probs (18:32:40) abigail: ill go off (18:32:44) po...@mother: its fine, honest (18:32:57) abigail: sure cool (18:33:01) abigail: thanks (18:33:06) abigail: my battery is going to die (18:33:15) po...@mother: can't help you there I'm afraid :) (18:33:23) abigail: yeah know (18:34:29) abigail: where are you on the train? (18:34:33) po...@mother: behind you (18:34:46) abigail: ah i saw you laughing at me (18:34:52) abigail: thats why (18:34:59) abigail: :-D (18:35:07) abigail: wont be long promise (18:35:12) po...@mother: yeah, sorry, I'm not some insane wierdo who laughs at people on trains (18:35:23) abigail: ah ha well you do get em (18:35:28) po...@mother: I'm sure you do :) etc Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Joiku wireless connection......
Alan Pope wrote: 2009/3/25 John jake...@sky.com: I bet he was surprised when you said hi, lol. She was :) Conversation with a...@macintosh-6 at Tue 24 Feb 2009 18:32:03 GMT on po...@mother (bonjour) (18:32:05) po...@mother: hello! (18:32:14) po...@mother: No, I don't mind you using my wifi (18:32:19) po...@mother: It doesn't work in bridges though (18:32:31) abigail: i thought it was the trains (18:32:35) po...@mother: I wish (18:32:36) abigail: sorry (18:32:38) po...@mother: no probs (18:32:40) abigail: ill go off (18:32:44) po...@mother: its fine, honest (18:32:57) abigail: sure cool (18:33:01) abigail: thanks (18:33:06) abigail: my battery is going to die (18:33:15) po...@mother: can't help you there I'm afraid :) (18:33:23) abigail: yeah know (18:34:29) abigail: where are you on the train? (18:34:33) po...@mother: behind you (18:34:46) abigail: ah i saw you laughing at me (18:34:52) abigail: thats why (18:34:59) abigail: :-D (18:35:07) abigail: wont be long promise (18:35:12) po...@mother: yeah, sorry, I'm not some insane wierdo who laughs at people on trains (18:35:23) abigail: ah ha well you do get em (18:35:28) po...@mother: I'm sure you do :) etc Cheers, Al. hehe, you do meet some funny people. lol. I think I am doomed not to get connected outside my house, with this netbook. It just does not want to connect. :( I wonder if its the networkmanager, could it be corrupted, after the other problems with it I had? -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu pre-installed computer prices
Good morning everyone First off, a declaration of interest, I'm in business selling desktop PCs. However, to avoid accusations of spamming, I won't give further details (unless you actually want them!) My reason for contacting you all is a sort of market research, if you'll be kind enough to allow that. I am interested in your opinion on pricing for a computer with Ubuntu pre-installed, as it's a market I am currently looking into. I'm looking to offer a base unit, 2GHz dual core Celeron (E1400) with 2GB DDR2 PC2-6400 RAM, and a 150GB SATA hdd. Graphics, sound and ethernet are onboard. Like I said, I would install Ubuntu 8.10 (and, of course, ubuntu 9.04 when it's released!) and run through the update utility. I understand there are issues regarding selling a Ubuntu PC with non-free applications pre-installed (e.g. medibuntu) so I assume I will have to leave them off, but perhaps give advice to those who need it. I have a price in mind for this machine (including UK mainland delivery) - but I'm curious to hear what other people think might be a fair price for it. If you can help me I'd really appreciate it. If not, I apologise for transgressing! Thank you for your time Eddie -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Joiku wireless connection......
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 25/03/09 09:55, Alan Pope wrote: 2009/3/25 John jake...@sky.com: I bet he was surprised when you said hi, lol. She was :) Conversation with a...@macintosh-6 at Tue 24 Feb 2009 18:32:03 GMT on po...@mother (bonjour) Social networking for the win. - -- Stephen O'Neill w: http://www.thefloatingfrog.co.uk/ e: sq...@thefloatingfrog.co.uk -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAknKAsUACgkQJ+Auntu1v4QFkwCdHNna5auFqG3mY0k134srm8sG TQIAoKRn0YYEumM3Xh6xPdnCjoJsFZgV =+IL+ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Joiku wireless connection......
Alan Pope wrote: 2009/3/25 John jake...@sky.com: Hi everybody, I have decided that using the orange dongle just isnt working, so I am trying something else. Its called Joiku. I just wondered if anybody has used it before and got it to work. I'm typing this mail whilst sat on the train connected via wifi to my phone which is running the pay-for version of Joikuspot. I have set it up according to the instructions, but it keeps asking for the encryption key. I had a similar issue when I tried to use WEP passphrase, but instead use WEP open, and it works fine. Yep, WEP open and changed the key to something I could remember on the settings page. Works a treat for me but I must admit I use it mostly with my ipod touch (*boo, *hiss). Beats getting an iphone though :) Cheers, Al. Regards, Jamie -- http://www.linuxuk.org -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu pre-installed computer prices
Eddie Bernard edd...@gmail.com wrote: Good morning everyone First off, a declaration of interest, I'm in business selling desktop PCs. However, to avoid accusations of spamming, I won't give further details (unless you actually want them!) My reason for contacting you all is a sort of market research, if you'll be kind enough to allow that. I am interested in your opinion on pricing for a computer with Ubuntu pre-installed, as it's a market I am currently looking into. I'm looking to offer a base unit, 2GHz dual core Celeron (E1400) with 2GB DDR2 PC2-6400 RAM, and a 150GB SATA hdd. Graphics, sound and ethernet are onboard. Like I said, I would install Ubuntu 8.10 Why? Surely for the average user a LTS version would be better, such as 8.04? Development versions and upgrades could raise severe antagonisms to you. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu pre-installed computer prices
On 25/03/2009 10:05, Eddie Bernard wrote: Good morning everyone First off, a declaration of interest, I'm in business selling desktop PCs. However, to avoid accusations of spamming, I won't give further details (unless you actually want them!) My reason for contacting you all is a sort of market research, if you'll be kind enough to allow that. I am interested in your opinion on pricing for a computer with Ubuntu pre-installed, as it's a market I am currently looking into. I'm looking to offer a base unit, 2GHz dual core Celeron (E1400) with 2GB DDR2 PC2-6400 RAM, and a 150GB SATA hdd. Graphics, sound and ethernet are onboard. Like I said, I would install Ubuntu 8.10 (and, of course, ubuntu 9.04 when it's released!) and run through the update utility. I understand there are issues regarding selling a Ubuntu PC with non-free applications pre-installed (e.g. medibuntu) so I assume I will have to leave them off, but perhaps give advice to those who need it. I have a price in mind for this machine (including UK mainland delivery) - but I'm curious to hear what other people think might be a fair price for it. If you can help me I'd really appreciate it. If not, I apologise for transgressing! Thank you for your time Eddie Um... as far as I know there aren't any restrictions on shipping Non-Free codecs in this country (I believe there are some issues in the states). Going on that spec I'd say maybe £250 to £300 would be fairly reasonable (considering you'd need to make a bit of money on it). Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu pre-installed computer prices
Rob Beard wrote: I'm looking to offer a base unit, 2GHz dual core Celeron (E1400) with 2GB DDR2 PC2-6400 RAM, and a 150GB SATA hdd. Graphics, sound and ethernet are onboard. Like I said, I would install Ubuntu 8.10 (and, of course, ubuntu 9.04 when it's released!) and run through the update utility. I understand there are issues regarding selling a Ubuntu PC with non-free applications pre-installed (e.g. medibuntu) so I assume I will have to leave them off, but perhaps give advice to those who need it. I have a price in mind for this machine (including UK mainland delivery) - but I'm curious to hear what other people think might be a fair price for it. If you can help me I'd really appreciate it. If not, I apologise for transgressing! Thank you for your time Eddie Um... as far as I know there aren't any restrictions on shipping Non-Free codecs in this country (I believe there are some issues in the states). Going on that spec I'd say maybe £250 to £300 would be fairly reasonable (considering you'd need to make a bit of money on it). Let be honest though. A slightly higher spec model (250gb disk) with Vista will set you back £228.34 delivered (http://www.ebuyer.com/product/159369) so without the licence of Vista one would expect a slightly lower price. Also the Dell offers that pop up now and again blow this price out of the water. I would like to see this kind of spec at the £200 mark, anything much above and I think you could be struggling. Rob Regards, Jamie -- http://www.linuxuk.org -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Which webcam to get?
2009/3/24 Michael G Fletcher mich...@ilovemylinux.com: Hi Tom I have the E3500 from logitech, it's great because it has a built in microphone and all just works in my Ubuntu 8.10 :-) --Michael I was in PCWorld Portsmouth yesterday, and they had this camera on sale for £14.67. That is a good price from what I can tell. -- Philip Stubbs -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu pre-installed computer prices
On 25/03/2009 10:24, Jamie Bennett wrote: Rob Beard wrote: I'm looking to offer a base unit, 2GHz dual core Celeron (E1400) with 2GB DDR2 PC2-6400 RAM, and a 150GB SATA hdd. Graphics, sound and ethernet are onboard. Like I said, I would install Ubuntu 8.10 (and, of course, ubuntu 9.04 when it's released!) and run through the update utility. I understand there are issues regarding selling a Ubuntu PC with non-free applications pre-installed (e.g. medibuntu) so I assume I will have to leave them off, but perhaps give advice to those who need it. I have a price in mind for this machine (including UK mainland delivery) - but I'm curious to hear what other people think might be a fair price for it. If you can help me I'd really appreciate it. If not, I apologise for transgressing! Thank you for your time Eddie Um... as far as I know there aren't any restrictions on shipping Non-Free codecs in this country (I believe there are some issues in the states). Going on that spec I'd say maybe £250 to £300 would be fairly reasonable (considering you'd need to make a bit of money on it). Let be honest though. A slightly higher spec model (250gb disk) with Vista will set you back £228.34 delivered (http://www.ebuyer.com/product/159369) so without the licence of Vista one would expect a slightly lower price. Also the Dell offers that pop up now and again blow this price out of the water. I would like to see this kind of spec at the £200 mark, anything much above and I think you could be struggling. But eBuyer have some amazing buying power (their trade prices what they pay are even cheaper than their online prices - I sure do miss that when I worked at eBuyer a couple of years back) and again Dell have serious buying power too. I doubt they'd be shelling out £60 for a copy of Windows. To give a comparison, I built a Phenom X4 system with 2GB Ram, 250GB hard drive (onboard video and sound) for about £200 all in buying bits from Aria. I made about £15 on the system when I sold it on which really didn't cover the build and testing time I spent on it. There doesn't seem to be any margins on PCs these days unless you can either offer some added value (such as on-site support if you're selling PCs locally) or have the buying power to buy multiple components at cheap prices. Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu pre-installed computer prices
Hi Eddie, I don't believe you're breaking any rules as such on this mailing list. I personally think we should foster and encourage UK based companies/individuals who seek to supply Ubuntu based computers. I'd like to see more of this kind of discussion. 2009/3/25 Eddie Bernard edd...@gmail.com: My reason for contacting you all is a sort of market research, if you'll be kind enough to allow that. I am interested in your opinion on pricing for a computer with Ubuntu pre-installed, as it's a market I am currently looking into. I would recommend you contact the OEM Team at Canonical. There are some restrictions on the use of the Ubuntu brand when selling machines. Rather than me misquote them I'd suggest you contact them directly. I'm looking to offer a base unit, 2GHz dual core Celeron (E1400) with 2GB DDR2 PC2-6400 RAM, and a 150GB SATA hdd. Graphics, sound and ethernet are onboard. Like I said, I would install Ubuntu 8.10 (and, of course, ubuntu 9.04 when it's released!) and run through the update utility. I understand there are issues regarding selling a Ubuntu PC with non-free applications pre-installed (e.g. medibuntu) so I assume I will have to leave them off, but perhaps give advice to those who need it. As I understand it, if you want to officially sell Ubuntu branded computers, you will have to omit the medibuntu repository from being pre-configured. I believe you can (for a fee to Canonical) license some codecs which you _can_ supply with the computers you deliver. But as I said, contact Canonical for the full details. Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu spotting / spotted
A couple of times when riding home from work on a Friday afternoon, I have spotted an Ubuntu backpack being carried by a cyclist going from Fareham college to Titchfield. -- Philip Stubbs -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu pre-installed computer prices
Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: Surely for the average user a LTS version would be better, such as 8.04? Development versions and upgrades could raise severe antagonisms to you. Fair cop, glad you pointed that out. I need to curb my enthusiasm for always wanting to be on the bleeding edge... Eddie (apologies if this doesn't thread correctly, I messed up my mailing list subscription at first...) -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Joiku wireless connection......
Jamie Bennett wrote: Alan Pope wrote: 2009/3/25 John jake...@sky.com: Hi everybody, I have decided that using the orange dongle just isnt working, so I am trying something else. Its called Joiku. I just wondered if anybody has used it before and got it to work. I'm typing this mail whilst sat on the train connected via wifi to my phone which is running the pay-for version of Joikuspot. I have set it up according to the instructions, but it keeps asking for the encryption key. I had a similar issue when I tried to use WEP passphrase, but instead use WEP open, and it works fine. Yep, WEP open and changed the key to something I could remember on the settings page. Works a treat for me but I must admit I use it mostly with my ipod touch (*boo, *hiss). Beats getting an iphone though :) Cheers, Al. Regards, Jamie -- http://www.linuxuk.org I found a page on the Ubuntu wiki, that talks about WEP. It give this to try, c...@ubuntu:~$ sudo iwconfig eth2 essid MyNet c...@ubuntu:~$ sudo iwconfig eth2 key xx c...@ubuntu:~$ sudo ifconfig eth2 up c...@ubuntu:~$ sudo dhclient3 eth2 I changed the Mynet to the Joiku name, and the xxx to the encryption key, but it says it cant find the essid it says error for wireless request *Set ESSID* (8B1A) SET failed on device eth2 not such device not sure if I did it correct there, but that's what came back. Could it be the NetworkManager that is the problem here? John. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu pre-installed computer prices
2009/3/25 Alan Pope a...@popey.com: Hi Eddie, I don't believe you're breaking any rules as such on this mailing list. I personally think we should foster and encourage UK based companies/individuals who seek to supply Ubuntu based computers. I'd like to see more of this kind of discussion. Hi Alan, and thanks for the welcome. I agree; I'm very impressed with Ubuntu and I would like to see more retailers giving it as a genuine option. Somehow we have to get the word out to encourage take up... I would recommend you contact the OEM Team at Canonical. There are some restrictions on the use of the Ubuntu brand when selling machines. Rather than me misquote them I'd suggest you contact them directly. Cheers for the heads up. I'm just reading their website now... I assume I would need to register for their system builder programme. I don't suppose you know if that costs money? I understand there are issues regarding selling a Ubuntu PC with non-free applications pre-installed (e.g. medibuntu) so I assume I will have to leave them off, but perhaps give advice to those who need it. As I understand it, if you want to officially sell Ubuntu branded computers, you will have to omit the medibuntu repository from being pre-configured. I believe you can (for a fee to Canonical) license some codecs which you _can_ supply with the computers you deliver. But as I said, contact Canonical for the full details. That's interesting, as, to be honest, I think in order to convince people that Ubuntu is a serious and easy-to-use alternative to Windows, ideally the system needs to be able to just work out the box. If there are ways to do that then this can only be a good thing. Will definitely look into that. Thanks for your replies - all good stuff. Eddie -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Joiku wireless connection......
The 'eth2 not such device' probably means you don't have a device called eth2. Type *iwconfig* in terminal to get a list of your network devices, then try again using whichever your wireless device is. 2009/3/25 John jake...@sky.com Jamie Bennett wrote: Alan Pope wrote: 2009/3/25 John jake...@sky.com jake...@sky.com: Hi everybody, I have decided that using the orange dongle just isnt working, so I am trying something else. Its called Joiku. I just wondered if anybody has used it before and got it to work. I'm typing this mail whilst sat on the train connected via wifi to my phone which is running the pay-for version of Joikuspot. I have set it up according to the instructions, but it keeps asking for the encryption key. I had a similar issue when I tried to use WEP passphrase, but instead use WEP open, and it works fine. Yep, WEP open and changed the key to something I could remember on the settings page. Works a treat for me but I must admit I use it mostly with my ipod touch (*boo, *hiss). Beats getting an iphone though :) Cheers, Al. Regards, Jamie --http://www.linuxuk.org I found a page on the Ubuntu wiki, that talks about WEP. It give this to try, c...@ubuntu:~$ sudo iwconfig eth2 essid MyNet c...@ubuntu:~$ sudo iwconfig eth2 key xx c...@ubuntu:~$ sudo ifconfig eth2 up c...@ubuntu:~$ sudo dhclient3 eth2 I changed the Mynet to the Joiku name, and the xxx to the encryption key, but it says it cant find the essid it says error for wireless request *Set ESSID* (8B1A) SET failed on device eth2 not such device not sure if I did it correct there, but that's what came back. Could it be the NetworkManager that is the problem here? John. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- Simon Wears munkyju...@gmail.com http://MunkyJunky.com | http://Twitter.com/MunkyJunky MunkyJunky on irc.freenode.net -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu pre-installed computer prices
2009/3/25 Eddie Bernard edd...@gmail.com: Cheers for the heads up. I'm just reading their website now... I assume I would need to register for their system builder programme. I don't suppose you know if that costs money? You'd need to check with them, but I believe it does cost per-pc sold, a little more if you include the codecs. Again, confirm with them. That's interesting, as, to be honest, I think in order to convince people that Ubuntu is a serious and easy-to-use alternative to Windows, ideally the system needs to be able to just work out the box. If there are ways to do that then this can only be a good thing. Will definitely look into that. I'm sure people can come up with creative solutions for that :) Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu pre-installed computer prices
2009/3/25 Rob Beard r...@esdelle.co.uk: On 25/03/2009 10:24, Jamie Bennett wrote: Rob Beard wrote: I'm looking to offer a base unit, 2GHz dual core Celeron (E1400) with 2GB DDR2 PC2-6400 RAM, and a 150GB SATA hdd. Graphics, sound and ethernet are onboard. Like I said, I would install Ubuntu 8.10 (and, of course, ubuntu 9.04 when it's released!) and run through the update utility. I understand there are issues regarding selling a Ubuntu PC with non-free applications pre-installed (e.g. medibuntu) so I assume I will have to leave them off, but perhaps give advice to those who need it. Going on that spec I'd say maybe £250 to £300 would be fairly reasonable (considering you'd need to make a bit of money on it). I'd be delighted if I could get away with that; either way though it's interesting you started the bidding, as it were, at a higher point than I anticipated. Which is a good sign, hopefully. Let be honest though. A slightly higher spec model (250gb disk) with Vista will set you back £228.34 delivered (http://www.ebuyer.com/product/159369) so without the licence of Vista one would expect a slightly lower price. Also the Dell offers that pop up now and again blow this price out of the water. Do you think I might do better offering this machine with a 250GB drive? Just wondering how much space a customer might need these days... You're right, of course. It's exactly that machine you have referred to that makes me nervous about trying to sell an Ubuntu desktop (at my suggested spec) at anything above £230. To give a comparison, I built a Phenom X4 system with 2GB Ram, 250GB hard drive (onboard video and sound) for about £200 all in buying bits from Aria. I made about £15 on the system when I sold it on which really didn't cover the build and testing time I spent on it. I think the market conditions are pretty difficult at the moment, too. Understandably, perhaps, but then again I would have thought if anything the lower end of the market would be attracting more customers trying to get a cheap PC. Or maybe people just aren't buying PCs at all right now. I know eBay is no great source of information on this, but if you look at the completed listings in the desktop section, you'll see dozens of PCs every day going unsold. There doesn't seem to be any margins on PCs these days unless you can either offer some added value (such as on-site support if you're selling PCs locally) or have the buying power to buy multiple components at cheap prices. Yes, sadly... it's extremely difficult to compete without operating on razor thin margins. But it is doable. I think the key is that if you're making the same system again and again, you save time both on building and testing, as you know if it worked the first and second time, it's probably going to work on every subsequent iteration. That's where I'm at at the moment - and if I can get the necessary demand, I can place larger orders, and, fingers crossed, it would escalate from there. Cheers Ed -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu pre-installed computer prices
On 25/03/2009 11:47, Eddie Bernard wrote: 2009/3/25 Rob Beardr...@esdelle.co.uk: On 25/03/2009 10:24, Jamie Bennett wrote: Rob Beard wrote: I'm looking to offer a base unit, 2GHz dual core Celeron (E1400) with 2GB DDR2 PC2-6400 RAM, and a 150GB SATA hdd. Graphics, sound and ethernet are onboard. Like I said, I would install Ubuntu 8.10 (and, of course, ubuntu 9.04 when it's released!) and run through the update utility. I understand there are issues regarding selling a Ubuntu PC with non-free applications pre-installed (e.g. medibuntu) so I assume I will have to leave them off, but perhaps give advice to those who need it. Going on that spec I'd say maybe £250 to £300 would be fairly reasonable (considering you'd need to make a bit of money on it). I'd be delighted if I could get away with that; either way though it's interesting you started the bidding, as it were, at a higher point than I anticipated. Which is a good sign, hopefully. Let be honest though. A slightly higher spec model (250gb disk) with Vista will set you back £228.34 delivered (http://www.ebuyer.com/product/159369) so without the licence of Vista one would expect a slightly lower price. Also the Dell offers that pop up now and again blow this price out of the water. Do you think I might do better offering this machine with a 250GB drive? Just wondering how much space a customer might need these days... You're right, of course. It's exactly that machine you have referred to that makes me nervous about trying to sell an Ubuntu desktop (at my suggested spec) at anything above £230. You might be worth offering a 250GB drive if the cost difference isn't that much. You'd be surprised these days how much space people use. Okay lots of people are different (I'm a heavy storage space user) but some people might want to import a CD collection or store a load of photos on their PC. To give a comparison, I built a Phenom X4 system with 2GB Ram, 250GB hard drive (onboard video and sound) for about £200 all in buying bits from Aria. I made about £15 on the system when I sold it on which really didn't cover the build and testing time I spent on it. I think the market conditions are pretty difficult at the moment, too. Understandably, perhaps, but then again I would have thought if anything the lower end of the market would be attracting more customers trying to get a cheap PC. Or maybe people just aren't buying PCs at all right now. I know eBay is no great source of information on this, but if you look at the completed listings in the desktop section, you'll see dozens of PCs every day going unsold. Yep, I think a lot of people these days want laptops. For some I think they just want laptops for the status symbol they think it carries (they don't take into account that they may be buying a really low spec over priced system) where as others will make proper use of having a portable machine. Then again there are some people who are buying PCs, just doesn't seem to be many. I guess it's got to the stage that a couple of year old PC will probably do the job just as well. Of course it probably doesn't help with the problems with the economy at the moment. There doesn't seem to be any margins on PCs these days unless you can either offer some added value (such as on-site support if you're selling PCs locally) or have the buying power to buy multiple components at cheap prices. Yes, sadly... it's extremely difficult to compete without operating on razor thin margins. But it is doable. I think the key is that if you're making the same system again and again, you save time both on building and testing, as you know if it worked the first and second time, it's probably going to work on every subsequent iteration. That's where I'm at at the moment - and if I can get the necessary demand, I can place larger orders, and, fingers crossed, it would escalate from there. Yep that does help. I do build PCs for clients but they tend to be more one off's. I've found I make more profit selling hardware upgrades to existing machines and replacing faulty components. Doesn't help when you're selling Windows machines either and having to cost in £60 for Windows. A couple of local companies got round this by providing pirate copies of software but got caught out by Microsoft. I wouldn't be surprised too if there is some of this going on with eBay (I mean, for starters I've seen some 2GHz dual core PCs listed as being 4GHz!). I'd say good luck with it anyway. Maybe something else you could consider if you can get a supply of old machines is to try providing some computers to local non-profit organisations running LTSP, I did this with the Exwick Community Centre in Exeter (luckily they got a grant to cover the server costs) and it helped spread the word a bit about Ubuntu. Rob --
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu pre-installed computer prices
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Eddie Bernard wrote: Good morning everyone I have a price in mind for this machine (including UK mainland delivery) - but I'm curious to hear what other people think might be a fair price for it. Here’s your competition http://efficientpc.co.uk/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAknKIEYACgkQICATF4lwn1rGfACgv1AE3+Y0BX+nSLpkNeQ9Ln7w gpAAnjrWAB9rDlB57HHiOTDLZtTMDGio =FWZ3 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu pre-installed computer prices
Steve Cook wrote: Heres your competition http://efficientpc.co.uk/ The Wraith, same system with 2gb of ram - £232.61. Nice looking little system there. Regards, Jamie -- http://www.linuxuk.org -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu pre-installed computer prices
2009/3/25 Jamie Bennett ja...@linuxuk.org: Steve Cook wrote: Here's your competition http://efficientpc.co.uk/ The Wraith, same system with 2gb of ram - Ł232.61. Nice looking little system there. Great - I can definitely beat that and by some way. I can't tell whether this machine at this price includes a CD/DVD rewriter, I forgot to mention earlier that my machine does contain one of those. Any more? :-) Eddie -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu pre-installed computer prices
Eddie Bernard wrote: I think the market conditions are pretty difficult at the moment, too. Understandably, perhaps, but then again I would have thought if anything the lower end of the market would be attracting more customers trying to get a cheap PC. Or maybe people just aren't buying PCs at all right now. I know eBay is no great source of information on this, but if you look at the completed listings in the desktop section, you'll see dozens of PCs every day going unsold. I have enough computers, not buying any more for a while, but I would love a linux-based version of Apple's Time Capsule. Something *really* simple, that requires little or no set up, just plug it in and let it back everything up. Even better if it had a broadband modem built in (Time Capsule is missing this, and El Reg complained: http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/03/23/review_networking_wireless_router_apple_time_capsule/ ) I might also pay for a media centre, for similar plug n play reasons: building this stuff is lots of fun, but also time consuming. Apple's attraction is the ease of use, but the price (sometimes) and the lock-in (iTunes, Mail.app, both limited and hacker-unfriendly) can be a deal breaker. £0.02 John -- John Levin http://www.technolalia.org/blog/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Announcement: Manchester Release Party
I'm pleased to announce that Ian Forrester (from BBC Backstage) has booked us the BBC Manchester Bar on Friday 24th April for the Ubuntu-UK Manchester release party. The party will start at 7pm and go on until late (although after 10pm we may have to move to another pub on Oxford Road). If you are interested in attending you need to sign up before 9am 24th April. You can do this by emailing me, adding yourself to the facebook page [1] or adding yourself to upcoming yahoo page [2]. The address is: New Broadcasting House, Oxford Road, Manchester M60 1SJ. The nearest train station is Oxford Road, although it's within walking distance of Piccadilly and Victoria stations. For car parking, the Cornerhouse is just down the road and their website [3] has some useful information. When you arrive just wait in reception where someone will meet you to take you up to the bar. Please feel free to pass this on to anyone you think maybe interested. It's time to show the London lot some competition! Rock on Ubuntu 9.04!! Lucy [1] http://preview.tinyurl.com/cy6pgq [2] http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event/2173360/?ps=5 [3] http://www.cornerhouse.org/about/?page=22330 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Announcement: Manchester Release Party
2009/3/25 Lucy lucybrid...@gmail.com: I'm pleased to announce that Ian Forrester (from BBC Backstage) has booked us the BBC Manchester Bar on Friday 24th April for the Ubuntu-UK Manchester release party. The party will start at 7pm and go on until late (although after 10pm we may have to move to another pub on Oxford Road). Awesome work! Wish I could come, but I have a prior engagement with some beer. I have added it to the Jaunty Release Party page on the wiki.. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyReleaseParties Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Announcement: Manchester Release Party
I'll be there! 2009/3/25 Alan Pope a...@popey.com 2009/3/25 Lucy lucybrid...@gmail.com: I'm pleased to announce that Ian Forrester (from BBC Backstage) has booked us the BBC Manchester Bar on Friday 24th April for the Ubuntu-UK Manchester release party. The party will start at 7pm and go on until late (although after 10pm we may have to move to another pub on Oxford Road). Awesome work! Wish I could come, but I have a prior engagement with some beer. I have added it to the Jaunty Release Party page on the wiki.. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyReleaseParties Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- Simon Wears munkyju...@gmail.com http://MunkyJunky.com | http://Twitter.com/MunkyJunky MunkyJunky on irc.freenode.net -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu pre-installed computer prices
2009/3/25 Rob Beard r...@esdelle.co.uk: On 25/03/2009 11:47, Eddie Bernard wrote: Do you think I might do better offering this machine with a 250GB drive? Just wondering how much space a customer might need these days... You might be worth offering a 250GB drive if the cost difference isn't that much. You'd be surprised these days how much space people use. Okay lots of people are different (I'm a heavy storage space user) but some people might want to import a CD collection or store a load of photos on their PC. Thanks for that. Yes... habits are certainly changing these days (it's now almost nothing to want to download several gigabytes off bittorrent) and the cheapness of storage space means it's probably a worthwhile thing to have more space. Yep, I think a lot of people these days want laptops. For some I think they just want laptops for the status symbol they think it carries (they don't take into account that they may be buying a really low spec over priced system) where as others will make proper use of having a portable machine. The thing I don't like about laptops is the fairly obvious point that if you want to buy a new one you have no choice but to buy a new monitor as well, which seems a terrible waste of money and resources from an environmental perspective. But yes, I have definitely noticed more enquiries about laptops in the past year, particularly the netbooks. Trouble is for people like me they just aren't doable as a small retailer. Yes, sadly... it's extremely difficult to compete without operating on razor thin margins. But it is doable. I think the key is that if you're making the same system again and again, you save time both on building and testing, as you know if it worked the first and second time, it's probably going to work on every subsequent iteration. That's where I'm at at the moment - and if I can get the necessary demand, I can place larger orders, and, fingers crossed, it would escalate from there. Yep that does help. I do build PCs for clients but they tend to be more one off's. I've found I make more profit selling hardware upgrades to existing machines and replacing faulty components. Definitely. I think the reason is simple in that with upgrades, especially if you do the work on site, you get to charge for a fairer reflection of the time spent doing it. Doesn't help when you're selling Windows machines either and having to cost in £60 for Windows. A couple of local companies got round this by providing pirate copies of software but got caught out by Microsoft. I wouldn't be surprised too if there is some of this going on with eBay For sure. The Windows Problem is one I struggle with too. Whenever I do a reformat and reinstall project I'm always delighted when a customer tells me they still have the original Windows disc when they bought the computer. Saves having to shock people with a £60 price tag before I've even begun... But maybe for small businesses like ours being open with the price differential will encourage more people to dip their toe in the Ubuntu world. It doesn't help when you see the likes of Dell selling Ubuntu desktops for either the same or more than a Windows PC. (I mean, for starters I've seen some 2GHz dual core PCs listed as being 4GHz!). I was wondering where this rather odd standard has come from. It's a very bad habit... and it's only getting worse when quad-core machines are being sold as 9GHz and daft things like that. Makes it very difficult to compete honestly when you're being fair and saying my machine is 2GHz dual core when others are ramping their specs up for added attention. I'd say good luck with it anyway. Maybe something else you could consider if you can get a supply of old machines is to try providing some computers to local non-profit organisations running LTSP, I did this with the Exwick Community Centre in Exeter (luckily they got a grant to cover the server costs) and it helped spread the word a bit about Ubuntu. That's a very interesting idea - might steal it! I'm about to start a contract working for a very small local school... and I've always wanted an excuse to give Edubuntu a twirl. I might be able to try that as well. Thanks for the well wishes. All the same to you. Eddie -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Announcement: Manchester Release Party
2009/3/25 Alan Pope a...@popey.com: 2009/3/25 Lucy lucybrid...@gmail.com: I'm pleased to announce that Ian Forrester (from BBC Backstage) has booked us the BBC Manchester Bar on Friday 24th April for the Ubuntu-UK Manchester release party. The party will start at 7pm and go on until late (although after 10pm we may have to move to another pub on Oxford Road). Awesome work! Wish I could come, but I have a prior engagement with some beer. Thanks :) I have added it to the Jaunty Release Party page on the wiki.. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyReleaseParties That would be why I had an edit conflict when I tried to save the page ;) Thanks again -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Announcement: Manchester Release Party
Quoting Alan Pope a...@popey.com: I have added it to the Jaunty Release Party page on the wiki.. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyReleaseParties Just noticed that on the above page, Manchester also has a proposed released part. Is this the same one (just not updated)? -- O ascii ribbon campaign - stop html mail - www.asciiribbon.org -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] sound issues
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi I am having issues with sound on ubuntu 8.10 having tried both pulse audio and alsa, I am still having a similar issue my volume is low, despite the speaker being turned up and the vlc and panel control being turned up, It plays at a reasonable volume, or at a level I would expect with the speaker turned down to 1/2 or less of its current level. Not sure where to start looking Paul - -- Paul Sutton www.zleap.net Support Open and ISO standard file formats ISO 26300 odf http://www.odfalliance.org Next Linux User Group meet :Saturday April 4th : 3pm, Shoreline Cafe Paignton -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAknKL30ACgkQaggq1k2FJq2AsACghuBAftS1xHkUuXON5W0OpNUn k08An3GnUgQRl2c6ySOgWAPgsSxulBQS =9+FC -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Announcement: Manchester Release Party
On Wed, 2009-03-25 at 12:57 +, Lucy wrote: I'm pleased to announce that Ian Forrester (from BBC Backstage) has booked us the BBC Manchester Bar on Friday 24th April for the Ubuntu-UK Manchester release party. The party will start at 7pm and go on until late (although after 10pm we may have to move to another pub on Oxford Road). Fantastic news, plenty of rail connections to oxford road so that shouldn't be a problem. what about projectors/speakers? it might be nice to have a showing of big buck bunny or something (http://www.bigbuckbunny.org/ - open source short film made with open source software on ubuntu machines) -- Gordon Allott gordall...@gmail.com signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu spotting / spotted
I drove past a guy walking round in Southampton the other day with a Ubuntu logo on his hoodie. I'll say hi if I ever walk past him. 2009/3/25 Philip Stubbs phi...@stuphi.co.uk A couple of times when riding home from work on a Friday afternoon, I have spotted an Ubuntu backpack being carried by a cyclist going from Fareham college to Titchfield. -- Philip Stubbs -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Release party speaker or link up
2009/3/25 Lucy lucybrid...@gmail.com: If not, assuming that the London party is on the same night, would it be possible to arrange a live link up, just so we can say hello to everyone? Usually the party in London is on release night, which is Thursday. Don't know about this year. Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Announcement: Manchester Release Party
2009/3/25 Harry Rickards hricka...@l33tmyst.com: Just noticed that on the above page, Manchester also has a proposed released part. Is this the same one (just not updated)? Fixed. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu pre-installed computer prices
Eddie Bernard wrote: 2009/3/25 Jamie Bennett ja...@linuxuk.org: Steve Cook wrote: Here's your competition http://efficientpc.co.uk/ The Wraith, same system with 2gb of ram - Ł232.61. Nice looking little system there. Great - I can definitely beat that and by some way. I can't tell whether this machine at this price includes a CD/DVD rewriter, I forgot to mention earlier that my machine does contain one of those. Any more? :-) Eddie https://secure.dnuk.com/store/desktops.php -- Regards Ted Wager g3tpi High Peak UK Using Ubuntu Jaunty Linux -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Release party speaker or link up
Lucy wrote: It would be great if someone from Canonical could come up to Manchester to give a talk at the release party. I don't know if any Canonical employees or Ubuntu developers already live in the North West? If not, assuming that the London party is on the same night, would it be possible to arrange a live link up, just so we can say hello to everyone? I'm happy to setup ekiga at the manchester end... Tim -- www.tdobson.net If each of us have one object, and we exchange them, then each of us still has one object. If each of us have one idea, and we exchange them, then each of us now has two ideas. - George Bernard Shaw -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Announcement: Manchester Release Party
2009/3/25 Gordon Allott gordall...@gmail.com: On Wed, 2009-03-25 at 12:57 +, Lucy wrote: I'm pleased to announce that Ian Forrester (from BBC Backstage) has booked us the BBC Manchester Bar on Friday 24th April for the Ubuntu-UK Manchester release party. The party will start at 7pm and go on until late (although after 10pm we may have to move to another pub on Oxford Road). Fantastic news, plenty of rail connections to oxford road so that shouldn't be a problem. what about projectors/speakers? it might be nice to have a showing of big buck bunny or something (http://www.bigbuckbunny.org/ - open source short film made with open source software on ubuntu machines) That's good idea. There's a projector and free wifi available. I'll try to remember to bring a copy, but if someone with a better laptop could bring theirs along that would be great too. Someone mentioned about having a local apt repository. Is it possible someone could set that up on their laptop before the day? -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Which webcam to get?
2009/3/25 Philip Stubbs phi...@stuphi.co.uk: 2009/3/24 Michael G Fletcher mich...@ilovemylinux.com: Hi Tom I have the E3500 from logitech, it's great because it has a built in microphone and all just works in my Ubuntu 8.10 :-) --Michael I was in PCWorld Portsmouth yesterday, and they had this camera on sale for £14.67. That is a good price from what I can tell. FWIW, Dan Lynch in his blog recently bought and recommended a Logitech Quickcam: http://danlynch.org/blog/2009/03/rewind6/ I also bought myself a new webcam and after a bit of a false start I finally got one which works easily under Linux. I bought the Logitech Quickcam Communicate Deluxe and I highly recommend it to any other Linux users looking for a webcam. It wasn’t expensive at under £20 including postage and getting it to work is as simple as plugging it in, happy days. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] sound issues - fixed
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Paul Sutton wrote: Hi I am having issues with sound on ubuntu 8.10 having tried both pulse audio and alsa, I am still having a similar issue my volume is low, despite the speaker being turned up and the vlc and panel control being turned up, It plays at a reasonable volume, or at a level I would expect with the speaker turned down to 1/2 or less of its current level. Not sure where to start looking Paul Looks like i have fixed it, pcm volume was down, (what ever pcm is) It still has a tendancy to cut out, for a few seconds, not sure why, it seems like some sort of buffer issue, but so when watching a video i miss dialog for a few seconds. Paul - -- Paul Sutton www.zleap.net Support Open and ISO standard file formats ISO 26300 odf http://www.odfalliance.org Next Linux User Group meet :Saturday April 4th : 3pm, Shoreline Cafe Paignton -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAknKbLsACgkQaggq1k2FJq3dUgCfWWEmyjCe+P3xyWD0/XC5S0sw YZUAnjUvtqeyTuSAqnvN7TfyU6ub7XUc =HMJA -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] sound issues - fixed
On Wed, 2009-03-25 at 17:41 +, Paul Sutton wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Paul Sutton wrote: Hi I am having issues with sound on ubuntu 8.10 having tried both pulse audio and alsa, I am still having a similar issue my volume is low, despite the speaker being turned up and the vlc and panel control being turned up, It plays at a reasonable volume, or at a level I would expect with the speaker turned down to 1/2 or less of its current level. Not sure where to start looking Paul Looks like i have fixed it, pcm volume was down, (what ever pcm is) It still has a tendancy to cut out, for a few seconds, not sure why, it seems like some sort of buffer issue, but so when watching a video i miss dialog for a few seconds. Paul - -- Paul Sutton www.zleap.net Support Open and ISO standard file formats ISO 26300 odf http://www.odfalliance.org Next Linux User Group meet :Saturday April 4th : 3pm, Shoreline Cafe Paignton -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAknKbLsACgkQaggq1k2FJq3dUgCfWWEmyjCe+P3xyWD0/XC5S0sw YZUAnjUvtqeyTuSAqnvN7TfyU6ub7XUc =HMJA -END PGP SIGNATURE- yeah, mine does that every so often, but not with pcm: the master volume just resets itself to about 65% volume. :\ oh well hehe not so bad I guess, just annoying === Farran Lee I'm only 16 :P -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] sound issues - fixed
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Farran Lee wrote: On Wed, 2009-03-25 at 17:41 +, Paul Sutton wrote: Paul Sutton wrote: Hi I am having issues with sound on ubuntu 8.10 having tried both pulse audio and alsa, I am still having a similar issue my volume is low, despite the speaker being turned up and the vlc and panel control being turned up, It plays at a reasonable volume, or at a level I would expect with the speaker turned down to 1/2 or less of its current level. Not sure where to start looking Paul Looks like i have fixed it, pcm volume was down, (what ever pcm is) It still has a tendancy to cut out, for a few seconds, not sure why, it seems like some sort of buffer issue, but so when watching a video i miss dialog for a few seconds. Paul yeah, mine does that every so often, but not with pcm: the master volume just resets itself to about 65% volume. :\ oh well hehe not so bad I guess, just annoying === Farran Lee I'm only 16 :P yeah its annoying as i looked at the pcm settting, and didn't really have an explanation as to what that actually stood for, or meant so kind of dis-missed it, as for the cutting out i just put up with it, as its not application specific. Paul - -- Paul Sutton www.zleap.net Support Open and ISO standard file formats ISO 26300 odf http://www.odfalliance.org Next Linux User Group meet :Saturday April 4th : 3pm, Shoreline Cafe Paignton -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAknKcPQACgkQaggq1k2FJq20RgCfTr92S5wLTCIQE+fr0jh9XXE4 uWMAn0Yn0ophmb2JljWyPM9pgpUKNmFY =XNiq -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] sound issues - fixed
On Wed, 2009-03-25 at 17:59 +, Paul Sutton wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Farran Lee wrote: On Wed, 2009-03-25 at 17:41 +, Paul Sutton wrote: Paul Sutton wrote: Hi I am having issues with sound on ubuntu 8.10 having tried both pulse audio and alsa, I am still having a similar issue my volume is low, despite the speaker being turned up and the vlc and panel control being turned up, It plays at a reasonable volume, or at a level I would expect with the speaker turned down to 1/2 or less of its current level. Not sure where to start looking Paul Looks like i have fixed it, pcm volume was down, (what ever pcm is) It still has a tendancy to cut out, for a few seconds, not sure why, it seems like some sort of buffer issue, but so when watching a video i miss dialog for a few seconds. Paul yeah, mine does that every so often, but not with pcm: the master volume just resets itself to about 65% volume. :\ oh well hehe not so bad I guess, just annoying === Farran Lee I'm only 16 :P yeah its annoying as i looked at the pcm settting, and didn't really have an explanation as to what that actually stood for, or meant so kind of dis-missed it, as for the cutting out i just put up with it, as its not application specific. Paul PCM stands for Pulse Code Modulation, very detailed wiki article here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCM I usually consider it as the wav out. -Matt Daubney -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Announcement: Manchester Release Party
Lucy wrote: 2009/3/25 Gordon Allott gordall...@gmail.com: On Wed, 2009-03-25 at 12:57 +, Lucy wrote: I'm pleased to announce that Ian Forrester (from BBC Backstage) has booked us the BBC Manchester Bar on Friday 24th April for the Ubuntu-UK Manchester release party. The party will start at 7pm and go on until late (although after 10pm we may have to move to another pub on Oxford Road). Fantastic news, plenty of rail connections to oxford road so that shouldn't be a problem. what about projectors/speakers? it might be nice to have a showing of big buck bunny or something (http://www.bigbuckbunny.org/ - open source short film made with open source software on ubuntu machines) That's good idea. There's a projector and free wifi available. I'll try to remember to bring a copy, but if someone with a better laptop could bring theirs along that would be great too. Well, I'll be bringing my Ee too but it may be busy ekigaing to the world or doing other things etc. Someone mentioned about having a local apt repository. Is it possible someone could set that up on their laptop before the day? My netbook has a 20GB SSD. This is not enough for a repository afaik though IIRC someone suggested apt-cache and I forget how that works. Tim -- www.tdobson.net If each of us have one object, and we exchange them, then each of us still has one object. If each of us have one idea, and we exchange them, then each of us now has two ideas. - George Bernard Shaw -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu pre-installed computer prices
Fantastic to see any entry to the market with a non-windows PC. At the moment if we want to buy a desktop PC there are only a couple of places in the UK we can get one without Windows. The commodity desktop PC market is not a particularly nice place to be right now. The big boys appear to be playing a game of chicken with their prices attempting to put each other out of business I think. The problem is that if you offer a package that can be compared directly to a bargain Dell then you will always look expensive even though the Dell includes a boat anchor of a legacy operating system. We think the trick is to be uncomparable. We are in the process of launching a range of little servers that come with one of a range of interesting applications pre-installed and a days on-site installation and training plus remote backup and replacement. It is an inexpensive way to start using something like OpenERP or Moodle. For smaller businesses it will cope just fine for production use, for the bigger business it is an ideal pilot or proof of concept. We are not really targeting desktop users with this even though the hardware is basically a desktop PC. It is just too competitive. More details on our stuff here http://www.theopenlearningcentre.com/libertus.html So my advice is add some value and bundle it all together with a good overall price tag. That could be training, documentation, installation etc. This is a little tricky with a desktop though. Maybe have a minimum order quantity of 10 and include a training class for 10 people. A minimum order quantity sounds a bit mad - you will be turning away sales, but you will have to think a little sideways or you will be playing the same game as the big boys and your money runs out before theirs does! Alan. Eddie Bernard wrote: Good morning everyone First off, a declaration of interest, I'm in business selling desktop PCs. However, to avoid accusations of spamming, I won't give further details (unless you actually want them!) My reason for contacting you all is a sort of market research, if you'll be kind enough to allow that. I am interested in your opinion on pricing for a computer with Ubuntu pre-installed, as it's a market I am currently looking into. I'm looking to offer a base unit, 2GHz dual core Celeron (E1400) with 2GB DDR2 PC2-6400 RAM, and a 150GB SATA hdd. Graphics, sound and ethernet are onboard. Like I said, I would install Ubuntu 8.10 (and, of course, ubuntu 9.04 when it's released!) and run through the update utility. I understand there are issues regarding selling a Ubuntu PC with non-free applications pre-installed (e.g. medibuntu) so I assume I will have to leave them off, but perhaps give advice to those who need it. I have a price in mind for this machine (including UK mainland delivery) - but I'm curious to hear what other people think might be a fair price for it. If you can help me I'd really appreciate it. If not, I apologise for transgressing! Thank you for your time Eddie -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu pre-installed computer prices
2009/3/25 Matt Jones m...@mattjones.me.uk: In the past, that opinion was fairly valid. Now, the celerons are actually quite speedy little chips, espescially for an Ubuntu box that is going to run web/openoffice/music all day. As for recommending a Via over the current (Dual core) celerons, they are quite a long way behind in performance terms, and not really any cheaper. I am aware that the Via Nano is not as powerful, although it compares very well to the Intel Atom, but then, the Nano uses a *lot* less power than a Celeron so the overall running cost would be somewhat lower. But still, seriously object to the pricing model of producing crippled chips with tiny L2 caches and selling them cheap. If they can make a profit on the crippled model, they could make one on selling the premium product with the full-sized cache for a lot less. There is a balance to be had, and that balancing point is called a fair price. Instead, we get cheap crippled chips - the Celerons, Pentium chips, AMD's old Durons and so on - and price-inflated professional or performance chips for power users. This is a deliberate pricing model; in the industry, it's called something like segmented marketing and catching the low end. I call it screwing your customers. Which is one reason I prefer to deal with companies who don't play those games. The AMD tactic of selling last year's model cheap and calling it a Sempron or something was much more honest and fair, and indeed I am typing on an AMD Athlon box now. Alas, since their 64-bit leap, AMD have no new tricks to pull and the CPU high end now belongs completely to Intel. It's a damned shame. I think that the option should be offered to have either LTS or the most current release as an option. For a consumer use, the new software available in a non LTS release does offer benefits over the staid reliability of the LTS. I suspect that anyone who would know the difference would probably build or buy a bargain-basement PC themselves and download install their own copy. But I'd be happy to be proved wrong. -- Liam Proven • Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • GMail/GoogleTalk/Orkut: lpro...@gmail.com Tel: +44 20-8685-0498 • Cell: +44 7939-087884 • Fax: + 44 870-9151419 AOL/AIM/iChat/Yahoo/Skype: liamproven • LiveJournal/Twitter: lproven MSN: lpro...@hotmail.com • ICQ: 73187508 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu pre-installed computer prices
In the past, that opinion was fairly valid. Now, the celerons are actually quite speedy little chips, espescially for an Ubuntu box that is going to run web/openoffice/music all day. As for recommending a Via over the current (Dual core) celerons, they are quite a long way behind in performance terms, and not really any cheaper. I think that the option should be offered to have either LTS or the most current release as an option. For a consumer use, the new software available in a non LTS release does offer benefits over the staid reliability of the LTS. On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 10:51 PM, Liam Proven lpro...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/3/25 Eddie Bernard edd...@gmail.com: I'm looking to offer a base unit, 2GHz dual core Celeron (E1400) with 2GB DDR2 PC2-6400 RAM, and a 150GB SATA hdd. Graphics, sound and ethernet are onboard. My only comment - apart from to agree with those who commend that you use the LTS version - would be this: I would never buy a Celeron and I tell everyone, friends and clients, to avoid them. They are nasty, crippled devices and anything with a Celery in it is probably rubbish, in my not-at-all-humble opinion. I'd rather have a cheap low-end but full-spec AMD or Via chip than a Celeron. Yes, I know it's possible to replace a Celeron with a full-spec chip, but almost nobody ever does it's almost never an economical upgrade. -- Liam Proven • Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • GMail/GoogleTalk/Orkut: lpro...@gmail.com Tel: +44 20-8685-0498 • Cell: +44 7939-087884 • Fax: + 44 870-9151419 AOL/AIM/iChat/Yahoo/Skype: liamproven • LiveJournal/Twitter: lproven MSN: lpro...@hotmail.com • ICQ: 73187508 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu pre-installed computer prices
Interesting discussion. People are saying a Linux PC should be cheaper than Windows and - as I've said before - I am firmly of the view that this is a perception that we should seek to correct. The free in Linux is NOT as in beer, and time and time again we keep reverting to this concept that it in some way is. The public are prone to make assumptions on the worth of a product based on its price. Let's face it - if you walk into a supermarket and look at the Baked Bean counter and know you *can* afford the Heinz are you going to buy the Tesco Value? Now it may be that the Tesco Value is actually better than the Heinz, but it's so much cheaper that the brain says hang on... clearly inferior... and it is passed over. Linux is not like that. And we need to FIGHT to correct this erroneous assumption. I think that the problem you're going to have selling Linux PCs to the mass market is that most people going out to buy a PC are likely to pay a bit extra for Windows, because that's what their mates have and they know what they're getting - Ubuntu is an unknown, and uncertainty puts people off. Apple are managing to keep an alternative stream going, but their Mac stuff has taken a quite different direction to Windows with sexy PCs etc. Buying an OS-X machine these days is becoming quite a fashion thing. We don't have known and we don't have fashion on our side, therefore we have to have something else. In Tesco one can buy a laptop for around £299, with Vista (albeit the Home Basic). Base units for desktop computing are less than £200, with specifications which (though low by today's benchmarks) would have cost thousands not many years ago. I am not convinced that pre-installed Ubuntu on a desktop is a market that will ever appeal to the masses and I am fairly sure that it is not something that is likely to be particularly profitable. Unless you're selling locally you have to factor in postage, insurance etc. too which - again - the big boys have the edge on. Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
