Re: [ubuntu-uk] [OT] Open Source Project kafuffle...
On 10 Aug 2009, at 02:43, Andy Smith a...@strugglers.net wrote: Hi James, On Sun, Aug 09, 2009 at 08:03:14PM +0100, James Milligan wrote: Just a quick update for y'all (I've also turned American!) I've been in touch with the PL, and essentially he's saying that there is now no license, nor was there ever one (I still need to confirm this, but I'm not too fussed as you'll see in a second) What you've posted previously does look like a license, and if you received the software under that license then I believe that's what you can abide by regardless of what he says now. However.. He is also defiant on one point - he is not going to restart the project. The only way he would let the project come back alive, is if someone pays him so that they can take over. ...if he doesn't want the project to continue then I can imagine a few ways he can make your life hard. Obviously he can claim that you aren't one of the developers and therefore you can't assume or grant the extra rights required to modify the software. He'd have to prove it of course, but do you really need this hassle? Think about what happens if he goes quiet and you do a lot of extra work on this software, to the point where it actually becomes commercially viable (again?). What stops him then taking control back again? You can't license your new work under any open source license because it is derivative of something which definitely is not an open source license. It could get really messy. Not only is this annoying, it's a bit off if you ask me. He did, fairly, develop most of the software - so I see where he is coming from, but others have since added to it etc, they wouldn't be getting a share of the profits. But none of the people who have contributed to it seem to have ever discussed the license under which their work was being included, or whether copyright was being assigned. So that was a bit naive of them. I have, however, offered him a small offer (£50)in the meantime to take it over - I won't believe it if he refuses, as he's not going to get any other offers, nor is it really worth that much. It's more for the benefit of the users that I'm paying. I haven't heard back yet RE my offer, but I'll let you know what happens. Personally if I were going to go this way then I'd need him to provide a written, signed statement that the entire project is to be relicensed under some open source license. Even then you may have issues with the indeterminate licensing of the things other people have contributed. He's probably not going to go for that, but without it I don't see how you can be confident about future development. Finally, also bear in mind that this is a publicly archived mailing list and things posted here by you or others might end up being mentioned in any dispute. This is not legal advice etc... Cheers, Andy -- http://bitfolk.com/ -- No-nonsense VPS hosting You dont have to be illiterate to use the Internet, but it help's. -- Mike Bristow Thanks for your reply Andy He's now decided not to charge me, as I'll be forking out for new domains and hosting anyway (well not hosting but that's another story) The last email I sent was discussing the license so I'm waiting for a reply on that one. I'm keen to relicense it asap -as we're not all lawyers you probably won't want to comment but if I was to relicense it all from the off, would that be it as far as we're concerned? He has effectively said that I'm in control now, so it's kind of all up to me how I proceed but I wouldn't mind some general advice on the implications of relicensing a non-open source project -if there's a page on the Internet then I'd be most welcome! I'll also email the fsf in the meantime. Sorry for all the doom and gloom I've brought upon you all over the past couple of days - hopefully I'll get the project turned around and back up to what it used to be like again, then we can be happy that it didn't just die :-) James Milligan -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] [OT] Open Source Project kafuffle...
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 07:34:02AM +0100, James Milligan wrote: He's now decided not to charge me, as I'll be forking out for new domains and hosting anyway (well not hosting but that's another story) The last email I sent was discussing the license so I'm waiting for a reply on that one. I'm keen to relicense it asap -as we're not all lawyers you probably won't want to comment but if I was to relicense it all from the off, would that be it as far as we're concerned? He has effectively said that I'm in control now, so it's kind of all up to me how I proceed but I wouldn't mind some general advice on the implications of relicensing a non-open source project -if there's a page on the Internet then I'd be most welcome! I'll also email the fsf in the meantime. Good to hear, if everything goes to plan i'd suggest hosting the actual code for the project on one of the numerous project hosting services (launchpad, sourceforge, etc.) and hopefully avoid this type of issue for the project in the future. -- Andrew Williams w: http://tensixtyone.com/ e: a...@tensixtyone.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] [OT] Open Source Project kafuffle...
On 10 Aug 2009, at 08:39, Andrew Williams a...@tensixtyone.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 07:34:02AM +0100, James Milligan wrote: He's now decided not to charge me, as I'll be forking out for new domains and hosting anyway (well not hosting but that's another story) The last email I sent was discussing the license so I'm waiting for a reply on that one. I'm keen to relicense it asap -as we're not all lawyers you probably won't want to comment but if I was to relicense it all from the off, would that be it as far as we're concerned? He has effectively said that I'm in control now, so it's kind of all up to me how I proceed but I wouldn't mind some general advice on the implications of relicensing a non-open source project -if there's a page on the Internet then I'd be most welcome! I'll also email the fsf in the meantime. Good to hear, if everything goes to plan i'd suggest hosting the actual code for the project on one of the numerous project hosting services (launchpad, sourceforge, etc.) and hopefully avoid this type of issue for the project in the future. -- Andrew Williams w: http://tensixtyone.com/ e: a...@tensixtyone.com Sure - this is the type of thing I'll be looking into this week hopefully. In terms of licenses, as it is software, would CC licenses still be valid? If this is one of those small matches that turns into a flame war I apologise! I don't know how strongly you guys feel about this stuff :-) James -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] [OT] Open Source Project kafuffle...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 James Milligan wrote: snip In terms of licenses, as it is software, would CC licenses still be valid? If this is one of those small matches that turns into a flame war I apologise! I don't know how strongly you guys feel about this stuff :-) James See http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Frequently_Asked_Questions. Basically Creative Commons don't recommend it. There are other's, but you'd probably want to use the GPL (http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html), LGPL (http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/lesser.html), BSD (http://opensource.org/licenses/bsd-license.php) or Apache License (http://www.apache.org/licenses/). - -- Thanks Harry Rickards hricka...@l33tmyst.com GPG Key Info: pub 1024R/58449F6F 2009-06-12 uid Harry Rickards (OpenPGP Card) hricka...@l33tmyst.com sub 1024R/D775CCEE 2009-06-12 sub 1024R/9394048C 2009-06-12 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iJwEAQECAAYFAkp/5MIACgkQ+9DWHFhEn29nswQAl/AhkQngFHHWH4T3uyvns5qP oRUjMtdqPoSYBCeYtBMT7fV9mcsgFcGerezlPqfie/GOHmarPo+o48ZvyStmo6au h3LDw39LS0f84APooZ2BWzUB5apNh0K4ARtnOv0673asr6d6p4iMjNTHc06rsQ1j DGj9GvGwqCRT1ew5aJg= =uDU7 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] [OT] Open Source Project kafuffle...
Harry Rickards wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 James Milligan wrote: snip In terms of licenses, as it is software, would CC licenses still be valid? If this is one of those small matches that turns into a flame war I apologise! I don't know how strongly you guys feel about this stuff :-) James See http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Frequently_Asked_Questions. Basically Creative Commons don't recommend it. There are other's, but you'd probably want to use the GPL (http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html), LGPL (http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/lesser.html), BSD (http://opensource.org/licenses/bsd-license.php) or Apache License (http://www.apache.org/licenses/). If it is a web app, (you said it was forum software, IIRC) you might want to consider the affero gpl: http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/agpl-3.0.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affero_General_Public_License HTH John -- John Levin http://www.technolalia.org/blog/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] [OT] Open Source Project kafuffle...
On Mon, 10 Aug 2009, James Milligan wrote: On 10 Aug 2009, at 02:43, Andy Smith a...@strugglers.net wrote: provide a written, signed statement that the entire project general advice on the implications of relicensing a non-open source The easiest, simplist is probably to get the following included in the source code (instead of the original TC). Copyright 200x-200y Name of Original Author em...@address All source code and documentation is hereby placed in the Public Domain. Then, as the follow-up devlopers, you have the maximum flexibility. -Paul -- Why do one side of a triangle when you can do all three. Somewhere, GB. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] [OT] Open Source Project kafuffle...
On 10 Aug 2009, at 13:47, Paul Sladen ubu...@paul.sladen.org wrote: On Mon, 10 Aug 2009, James Milligan wrote: On 10 Aug 2009, at 02:43, Andy Smith a...@strugglers.net wrote: provide a written, signed statement that the entire project general advice on the implications of relicensing a non-open source The easiest, simplist is probably to get the following included in the source code (instead of the original TC). Copyright 200x-200y Name of Original Author em...@address All source code and documentation is hereby placed in the Public Domain. Then, as the follow-up devlopers, you have the maximum flexibility. -Paul -- Why do one side of a triangle when you can do all three. Somewhere, GB. Could that perhaps be placed on the website, and the new license / only/ be incorporated into the source? James -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] [OT] Open Source Project kafuffle...
On Mon, 10 Aug 2009, James Milligan wrote: Could that perhaps be placed on the website, and the new license / only/ be incorporated into the source? The first thing you need to do is get a couple of the source code that doesn't have distribution/modification/use restrictions. If you get that, you're fine and can plan the package holiday and the new website. If you don't get that, the package holiday and website hosting will have been mostly in vein. -Paul -- Why do one side of a triangle when you can do all three. Somewhere, GB. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Wireless File Server
Another option would be to configure an AP in Bridge Mode - I do this at home for an un-cableable part of the LAN (my office), it then connects to a switch for the office and then to the main switch downstairs that is connected to the media-centre. The AP's maintain the connection and the client is wired to the access point, thus eliminating the need to establish a wireless connection when you want to connect. A couple of Netgear WG602's would do this nicely (or a WG602 and another AP) - they're cheap too - about £45 :) On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 8:30 PM, Ian Pascoe softy.lofty@btinternet.comwrote: Cheers Rob That article looks like just the ticket - all I've got to do now is understand it! Ian -Original Message- From: ubuntu-uk-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com [mailto:ubuntu-uk-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com]on Behalf Of Rob Beard Sent: 02 August 2009 16:26 To: British Ubuntu Talk Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Wireless File Server Ian Pascoe wrote: Hi Rob Have to admit I did wonder about installing a desktop for this very feature, but it does seem somewhat of an overkill! Cheers Ian Yep I agree, I mean for a headless server I'd generally use just the server install although I'm not sure how easy it is to configure wireless from the command line, never managed to do it myself, but then I only have wireless on my notebook. Doing a quick Google search popped up this... http://modelr.wordpress.com/2009/06/01/how-to-get-wireless-network-on-ubuntu -server/http://modelr.wordpress.com/2009/06/01/how-to-get-wireless-network-on-ubuntu%0A-server/ If you card works out of the box without any drivers then you may find that this guide works (just skip the ndiswrapper stuff and go straight to the WPA section). Hope this helps, I'd be interested to know if you manage to get it working. Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
