Re: [ubuntu-uk] 11.04 Natty Narwhal
The name is only supposed to be used by developers during the development cycle. Once it releases it becomes 10.04, 10.10 etc. Assuming what you say is correct then why are the names still used in the listed Software Sources? Norman -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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On 18 August 2010 09:02, Norman Silverstone nor...@littletank.org wrote: The name is only supposed to be used by developers during the development cycle. Once it releases it becomes 10.04, 10.10 etc. Assuming what you say is correct then why are the names still used in the listed Software Sources? That's due to the way the software is organised on the repositories. On the front screen it mentions the sections of the repository main, universe, restricted and multiverse, but it's only on the Updates tab where it mentions (in brackets) the code name, and only because that's the technical name of that part of the repository. So for example on mine it says Important security updates (lucid-security) which is a non-technical way of referring to http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/lucid-security/;. We inherit this setup from Debian. However they also link the version numbers in their archive. So for example debian 4.0 has the codename 'etch' and thus their archive URLs are like this http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/ however they also have links which reference the version number which point to the same place such as http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/Debian-4.0/ . Perhaps we should do the same thing and then remove the codenames from software sources? Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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On Wed, 18 Aug 2010 09:02:19 +0100 Norman Silverstone nor...@littletank.org wrote: The name is only supposed to be used by developers during the development cycle. Once it releases it becomes 10.04, 10.10 etc. Assuming what you say is correct then why are the names still used in the listed Software Sources? Damn, beat me to it :) This argument, about the names, has raged before and didn’t really get any where. Quite what a 'professional' code name is I don’t know. I’ve worked for companies that used types of potato as code names, used anagrams of the team members names. One thing for sure though, the Ubuntu code names get noticed and spread around the net giving us valuable publicity. It doesn’t seem to put the French government off, as the happily deploying Ubuntu on quite a large scale. As for names like GIMP, does Ifanview or Excel give any hint as to what the progam does. -- Steve Cook (Yorvyk) http://lubuntu.net -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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Personally I prefer the codenames to the version numbers, which aren't really version numbers at all but rather the month/year the release occurred. There is no evidence, as far as I can see, that 9.04 and 9.10 are any more similar than 9.10 and 10.04, therefore the accepted rules regarding release numbers (ie. 1.4 1.41 1.42 1.5 1.51 1.52 denotes major and minor releases) don't apply so 10.04 is NOT a release number imho and has no more significance in that regard than Lucid or Karmic... So why have the numeric codenames at all? Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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On 18 August 2010 09:52, Yorvyk yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com wrote: As for names like GIMP, does Ifanview or Excel give any hint as to what the progam does. Don't diss GIMP... we all know it's the GNU Image Manipulation Program... I think that actually gives a VERY large hint as to what the program does... Could probably do with a recursive acronym to give it real credibility, but in the absence of that I'll settle for GIMP ;-) Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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On Tue, 2010-08-17 at 21:07 +0100, Jonathon Fernyhough wrote: Maverick Meerkat. Advert tie-in. Simples. Was any new ground broken? I can't really think of any, indicator was introduced in Lucid. Oh wait, the window button positions. That's ground-breaking, obviously. Erm, maverick hasn't been released yet, the window buttons were changed in lucid, new ground? plenty. have you not been paying attention to all the new indicator work? global menus? unity? shotwell? a flutter with chromium, then chromium promoted to main? new sound menu? multi-touch? please, facts straight -- Gordon Allott Canonical Ltd. 27 Floor, Millbank Tower London SW1P 4QP www.canonical.com signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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On 18 August 2010 09:53, Sean Miller s...@seanmiller.net wrote: There is no evidence, as far as I can see, that 9.04 and 9.10 are any more similar than 9.10 and 10.04, therefore the accepted rules regarding release numbers (ie. 1.4 1.41 1.42 1.5 1.51 1.52 denotes major and minor releases) don't apply so 10.04 is NOT a release number imho and has no more significance in that regard than Lucid or Karmic... Release numbers are arbitrary at the behest of the developer who chooses them. We chose YY.DD and it works really well. You can te So why have the numeric codenames at all? Because names are obscure. Imagine someone asks for support and wants to know if their release is still supported. As a simple test without looking it up and without thinking, when was Edgy Eft released? I personally don't know without going back in my head over all the releases or working forward from one I happen to know, and I've run every release since 4.10! Compare that to 6.06 LTS I know just from that the release date (June 2006) and as it's an LTS release it was supported until 2009 (3 years) on the desktop and 2011 (5 years) on the server. You can't get that information from Dapper Drake without looking it up. Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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On 18 August 2010 10:08, Alan Pope a...@popey.com wrote: Compare that to 6.06 LTS I know just from that the release date (June 2006) and as it's an LTS release it was supported until 2009 (3 years) on the desktop and 2011 (5 years) on the server. You can't get that information from Dapper Drake without looking it up. I have to agree with you on that one: it is at least self-explanatory, but I think one of the issues with Ubuntu is actually telling what is a release and what is a patch... some of the version upgrades just feel like installing XP SP2 whereas others are like moving from XP to Vista, or Vista to '7'... and the version numbers tell us nothing about that at all. Let me put it a slightly different way... if you were au fait with XP but not with Windows 98 and you were asked for support with a 98 installation you may try to do something useful, but you'd know that it wasn't an OS I really know... if somebody says to me I have Ubuntu I'll try to help them with their issues, but I have to admit that I know that fixes that might work in (say) Lucid or Karmic may well be completely irrelevant to Dapper Drake... and we can presumably assume that if they are still running Warty they're pretty much on their own?? I'd like more of an indication on version numbers of what branch of Ubuntu we're talking about... perhaps this is impossible with an OS, perhaps it is not... but whilst I recognise that the 9.04 tells me something about how long official support lasts it doesn't actually tell me anything about whether it is more similar to the LTS release before it or the one after and whether any advice I could give would be relevant or not... Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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On 17 August 2010 19:44, Laura Czajkowski la...@lczajkowski.com wrote: Aloha, Thought folks might be interested to know that 11.04 will be the Natty Narwhal http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/478 Laura Hello Laura, Thanks for the update on the name, an interesting choice. I think it does a good job of getting attention, as can be seen in this very long email thread. Thank you. -- John Stevenson Lean Agile Consultant / Coach jr0cket.com | leanagilemachine.com -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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all the releases are releases, with new features and whole new versions of stuff they contain. These get maintained, security patches and other fixes get made to the releases for the support period of that release, there is no service pack or patch tuesday type process, fixes get released when ready. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases The LTS releases tend to aim for long term supportability, with ends up being a bit contradictory, sometimes using not the cutting edge version of certain components because they might have to be changed a lot, sometimes deliberately going for something that is only just ready so not to have to support an obsolete architecture of something for a long time. Alan. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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On 18 August 2010 09:55, Sean Miller s...@seanmiller.net wrote: On 18 August 2010 09:52, Yorvyk yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com wrote: As for names like GIMP, does Ifanview or Excel give any hint as to what the progam does. Don't diss GIMP... we all know it's the GNU Image Manipulation Program... I think that actually gives a VERY large hint as to what the program does... I don't think that argument holds together. If you know what GIMP stands for then you probably already know what it does. If you don't know what it stands for then you don't know what GIMP does. Could probably do with a recursive acronym to give it real credibility, but in the absence of that I'll settle for GIMP ;-) The G is already recursive. Colin -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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On 18 August 2010 11:17, Colin Law clan...@googlemail.com wrote: The G is already recursive. Only in that it's GNU... GIMP is not recursive in itself... Had it stood for GIMP Image Manipulation Program then that'd be recursive... Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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On 18 August 2010 10:08, Alan Pope a...@popey.com wrote: On 18 August 2010 09:53, Sean Miller s...@seanmiller.net wrote: There is no evidence, as far as I can see, that 9.04 and 9.10 are any more similar than 9.10 and 10.04, therefore the accepted rules regarding release numbers (ie. 1.4 1.41 1.42 1.5 1.51 1.52 denotes major and minor releases) don't apply so 10.04 is NOT a release number imho and has no more significance in that regard than Lucid or Karmic... Release numbers are arbitrary at the behest of the developer who chooses them. We chose YY.DD and it works really well. You can te And I always thought that it was YY.MM :-) -- Philip Stubbs -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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On 18 August 2010 11:23, Sean Miller s...@seanmiller.net wrote: On 18 August 2010 11:17, Colin Law clan...@googlemail.com wrote: The G is already recursive. Only in that it's GNU... GIMP is not recursive in itself... It depends on the definition of recursive I suppose. If you fully expand it: GIMP - GNU Image Manipulation Program - GNU's Not Unix Image Manipulation Program - GNU's Not Unix Not Unix Image Manipulation Program - GNU's Not Unix Not Unix Not Unix Image Manipulation Program - ... I seem to be running out of stack. Colin -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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On 18 August 2010 11:35, Sean Miller s...@seanmiller.net wrote: On 18 August 2010 11:33, Colin Law clan...@googlemail.com wrote: It depends on the definition of recursive I suppose. If you fully expand it: GIMP - No, it doesn't... recursive acronyms don't involve expanding the components therein that might be acronyms in themselves... recursive acronyms have to recurse in themself... GIMP doesn't, so it isn't. I think you have made my point, it _does_ depend on the definition. By that definition it is not recursive, by another it might be. But actually my original point was, to quote myself, the G is already recursive, I only later tried to extend that to the whole acronym. The G stands for GNU which is itself recursive. Colin -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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No, GIMP cannot be recursive by any definition... GNU is recursive because the 'G' stands for GNU. For GIMP to be recursive the 'G' would have to stand for GIMP which it does not... therefore it is not recursive. The fact that the 'G' stands for something that is, itself, a recursive acronym is irrelevant. There is nothing to stop recursive acronyms including recursive acronyms (to however many levels required, in fact) but they still have to fulfil the criteria themselves, they can't inherit through inclusion. GIMP Image Manipulation Program would be recursive, GNU Image Manipulation Program clearly isn't... Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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On 18 August 2010 12:44, Sean Miller s...@seanmiller.net wrote: No, GIMP cannot be recursive by any definition... GIMP is recursive by the definition 'An Acronym is defined as recursive if it refers to itself in the expression for which it stands, or if any of the initials stands for a recursive acronym.' (Excellent, a recursive definition of a recursive acronym.) Colin -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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On 18 August 2010 13:09, Colin Law clan...@googlemail.com wrote: GIMP is recursive by the definition 'An Acronym is defined as recursive if it refers to itself in the expression for which it stands, or if any of the initials stands for a recursive acronym.' (Excellent, a recursive definition of a recursive acronym.) And that definition exists where? Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 1:58 PM, Sean Miller s...@seanmiller.net wrote: On 18 August 2010 13:09, Colin Law clan...@googlemail.com wrote: GIMP is recursive by the definition 'An Acronym is defined as recursive if it refers to itself in the expression for which it stands, or if any of the initials stands for a recursive acronym.' (Excellent, a recursive definition of a recursive acronym.) And that definition exists where? Wikipedia. -- Steve When one person suffers from a delusion it is insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called religion. 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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On 18 August 2010 09:57, Gordon Allott gord.all...@canonical.com wrote: On Tue, 2010-08-17 at 21:07 +0100, Jonathon Fernyhough wrote: Maverick Meerkat. Advert tie-in. Simples. Was any new ground broken? I can't really think of any, indicator was introduced in Lucid. Oh wait, the window button positions. That's ground-breaking, obviously. Erm, maverick hasn't been released yet, the window buttons were changed in lucid, new ground? plenty. have you not been paying attention to all the new indicator work? global menus? unity? shotwell? a flutter with chromium, then chromium promoted to main? new sound menu? multi-touch? please, facts straight Missed the giant /s tag too... I've got to start putting that in. However, we have reached feature freeze, so (in theory) there's nothing new coming over the system I'm running now. I'll reiterate, too, that I love Ubuntu and have been running it since Breezy and as my main OS since Feisty; look on this as a critical friend. the window buttons were changed in lucid Crikey. the new indicator work? The feature was introduced in Lucid, hence ground was broken then. This is refinement - a good thing - but not ground breaking. global menus? Started in 2006 (IIRC) by someone who was at the time shouted down by some people for trying to mimic Mac OS. Targeted at netbooks, but I'll have another look as it sounds interesting. Doesn't seem to do a lot for me at the moment though (just get Desktop, Desktop menus will go here). I'm not sure why application-based mode hasn't been extended, unless by currently unimplemented they mean completely absent in every way. unity? Netbook stuff, so I haven't looked at it. :) shotwell? a flutter with chromium, then chromium promoted to main? Those are two applications I had installed before inclusion. Fine, though, most people wouldn't go looking for them - though how many of those will install Chromium if it's not already there? Won't they just use Firefox as its installed by default? (This is like saying, we install pitivi by default! It's ground-breaking!) new sound menu? Extension of indicator, but yes it is pretty. multi-touch Now we're talking. This is the USP. Limited value on most computers but it's a heck of a nice feature to have included. I can't wait for my touchpad to actually work correctly! Jonathon -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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On 17 August 2010 21:07, Jonathon Fernyhough j.fernyho...@gmail.com wrote: On 17 August 2010 19:44, Laura Czajkowski la...@lczajkowski.com wrote: Aloha, Thought folks might be interested to know that 11.04 will be the Natty Narwhal http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/478 Laura -- Easy steps to make your product fail: 1) Give it a name only the developers would understand in its proper context, e.g. GIMP. 2) ??? 3) Profit! *cough* Sorry. 2) Promote the product via this name (or codename). 3) Wonder why the general public (general ignorant audience) don't jump on board when they think the name sounds unprofessional or just plain stupid (e.g. GIMP). 4) Resist all urges by your community to change the name as there's nothing wrong with it. If you read this far, thank you. The point I think I'm trying to make is that Canonical seems to be wandering further and further off into obscure yet geeky-cool naming schemes. Let's look at them shall we? Warty Warthog. Fine. It was warty. Makes sense, warthog. Warts. Fine. Hoary Hedgehog. Familiar animal, hairy so mature. OK I guess. Breezy Badger. Easy breezy. Nice and simple. Badger is a dependable creature. Good name. Dapper Drake. Dapper, polished. Good. LTS. Drake? It's a male duck. Umm. They like to gang rape female ducks? Or do you mean a flying dragon? Edgy Eft. Edgy, damned right it was. WTF is an Eft? A small newt. I thought everyone knew that. By the way, an eft became an ewt during one of English's many upheavals, then an ewt became a a newt, in a reversal of the way that a nadder became an adder and a napron became an apron. Feisty Fawn. Bit musty and mouldy? Grovelling about on the floor? Oh, wait, you mean eager? And a deer? An eager deer? What, you don't know what feisty means? Seriously? Gutsy Gibbon. Gutsy, fine. Strong. Gibbon, fine, intelligent, mobile, sociable etc. Hardy Heron. Hardy, strong, LTS. Good name for an LTS. Heron, patient. Good name. Intrepid Ibex. Breaking new ground, Ibex is a call back to Ubuntu origin. Good name. Jaunty Jackalope. OK, here we go. A fictional creature that's a bit sure of itself. Karmic Koala. Karmic as in it has reached nirvana? I'm not sure Karmic was /that/ good. Koalas eat eucalyptus; was that a package introduced? Elastic computing thing? Lucid Lynx. Clear-minded wildcat. Umm. Not exactly a dependable creature for an LTS, then. Maverick Meerkat. Advert tie-in. Simples. Was any new ground broken? I can't really think of any, indicator was introduced in Lucid. Oh wait, the window button positions. That's ground-breaking, obviously. Natty Narwhal. Oh come on. From WordNet (r) 2.0 : dapper adj : marked by smartness in dress and manners; a dapper young man; a jaunty red hat [syn: dashing, jaunty, natty, raffish, rakish, smart, spiffy, snappy, spruce] Dapper, Jaunty, Natty? Well, at least that's the codenames for R and S sorted (I'm going to bet now on Raffish and Spiffy). From WordNet (r) 2.0 : narwhal n : small arctic whale the male having a long spiral ivory tusk [syn: narwal, narwhale, Monodon monoceros] Monodon. Monoceros. Those are good names. Sound powerful, hints of rhinoceros (and Ubuntu again). Oh, wait, we've already had M in 10.10. Raffish Rhinoceros for 13.04, anyone? Nah, rhinoceros is too well known. It would have to be something like Raffish Roach (that's right, it's a fish, but people will think it's a cockroach. Perfect!). So you are not sure what a narwhal is, but you think monoceros is acceptable? Enough ranting. I'll leave you with this: From The Collaborative International Dictionary of English v.0.48 : narwhal it is called also sea unicorn, unicorn fish, and unicorn whale. You're just having a bit of a rant, aren't you? -- Liam Proven • Info profile: http://www.google.com/profiles/lproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • GMail/GoogleTalk/Orkut: lpro...@gmail.com Tel: +44 20-8685-0498 • Cell: +44 7939-087884 • Fax: + 44 870-9151419 AIM/Yahoo/Skype: liamproven • MSN: lpro...@hotmail.com • ICQ: 73187508 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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On 18 August 2010 16:15, Jonathon Fernyhough j.fernyho...@gmail.com wrote: Missed the giant /s tag too... I've got to start putting that in. Or explain the real meaning of the mail and don't rely on obscure tags that readers won't notice, or understand. I have no clue what /s means. Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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On 18 August 2010 16:23, Grant Sewell dcg...@thymox.co.uk wrote: On Wed, 18 Aug 2010 16:16:57 +0100 Liam Proven wrote: Edgy Eft. Edgy, damned right it was. WTF is an Eft? A small newt. I thought everyone knew that. By the way, an eft became an ewt during one of English's many upheavals, then an ewt became a a newt, in a reversal of the way that a nadder became an adder and a napron became an apron. My favourite is a norange - an orange. :) Oooh yes. From /naranja/ - orange in Spanish. I was trying to remember that, but got it muddled up with al Abriqoc - an Arabic word that mutated into apricot. -- Liam Proven • Info profile: http://www.google.com/profiles/lproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • GMail/GoogleTalk/Orkut: lpro...@gmail.com Tel: +44 20-8685-0498 • Cell: +44 7939-087884 • Fax: + 44 870-9151419 AIM/Yahoo/Skype: liamproven • MSN: lpro...@hotmail.com • ICQ: 73187508 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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On 18 August 2010 16:16, Liam Proven lpro...@gmail.com wrote: A small newt. I thought everyone knew that. Nope. Not everyone knows obscure words. Just in the same way I don't *expect* you to know what pedagogy is. By the way, an eft became an ewt during one of English's many upheavals, then an ewt became a a newt, in a reversal of the way that a nadder became an adder and a napron became an apron. Feisty Fawn. Bit musty and mouldy? Grovelling about on the floor? Oh, wait, you mean eager? And a deer? An eager deer? What, you don't know what feisty means? Seriously? Correct. The entire post was completely serious. However: From WordNet (r) 2.0 : feisty adj 1: showing courage; the champion is faced with a feisty challenger [syn: plucky, spunky] 2: irritable and looking for trouble; too touchy to make judicious decisions [syn: touchy] [also: feistiest, feistier] So it could well have been irritable rather than courageous. I'm surprised you haven't heard of something musty being described as feisty. I thought everyone knew that. What's that? Different people know different things? That's crazy talk. People are a homogeneous mass. Monodon. Monoceros. Those are good names. Sound powerful, hints of rhinoceros (and Ubuntu again). Oh, wait, we've already had M in 10.10. Raffish Rhinoceros for 13.04, anyone? Nah, rhinoceros is too well known. It would have to be something like Raffish Roach (that's right, it's a fish, but people will think it's a cockroach. Perfect!). So you are not sure what a narwhal is, but you think monoceros is acceptable? Correct. I did not know that narwhals are a whale-like creature that live in the North Atlantic having a single large tusk, being hunted almost to extinction by Scandinavian countries, being credited with starting many sea monster stories (probably even the whole unicorn thing), despite having plenty of reference in popular culture. Enough ranting. I'll leave you with this: From The Collaborative International Dictionary of English v.0.48 : narwhal it is called also sea unicorn, unicorn fish, and unicorn whale. You're just having a bit of a rant, aren't you? YES! OH GOD YES! Did the bit where I said enough ranting give you a clue? You're just having a bit of pedantic facetiousness, aren't you? Jonathon -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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On 18 August 2010 16:22, Alan Pope a...@popey.com wrote: On 18 August 2010 16:15, Jonathon Fernyhough j.fernyho...@gmail.com wrote: Missed the giant /s tag too... I've got to start putting that in. Or explain the real meaning of the mail and don't rely on obscure tags that readers won't notice, or understand. I have no clue what /s means. Al. OK, I apologise. I thought I'd try to post to the discussion list. Little did I realise that there was a strict code of conduct. I'll unsubscribe and go on my way. I shan't bother you all again. Thanks. Jonathon PS /s is meant to denote sarcasm within the text. It is often used on US-centric discussion boards so as to highlight the idea that the text is not to be taken seriously. The use of the word sarcasm is of course incorrect, as most are actually attempting irony. This fact escapes most US writers, but as they make up the majority of English-speaking posters the trend has stuck. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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On 18/08/10 16:46, Jonathon Fernyhough wrote: OK, I apologise. I thought I'd try to post to the discussion list. Little did I realise that there was a strict code of conduct. There is, it is here http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct you were totally within it, its cool. I'll unsubscribe and go on my way. I shan't bother you all again. no, don't do that Thanks. Jonathon PS /s is meant to denote sarcasm within the text. It is often used on US-centric discussion boards so as to highlight the idea that the text is not to be taken seriously. The use of the word sarcasm is of course incorrect, as most are actually attempting irony. This fact escapes most US writers, but as they make up the majority of English-speaking posters the trend has stuck. never come across /s myself before. I guessed it might mean sarcasm from the context, I would normally use sarcasm/sarcasm when talking to Americans or people not used to humour. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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Also the dangers of trying to reply via a mobile phone that does not do proper quoting: On 18 August 2010 16:55, Matthew Bassett hewb...@gmail.com wrote: The dangers of using a US based dictionary / thesaurus on a UK based list: From WordNet (r) 2.0 : feisty adj 1: showing courage; the champion is faced with a feisty challenger [syn: plucky, spunky] Imbued with involuntary night time emissions?eference in popular culture. Enough ranting. I'll leave you with this: From The Collaborative International Dictionary of English v.0.48 : narwhal it is called also sea unicorn, unicorn fish, and unicorn whale. You're just having a bit of a rant, aren't you? YES! OH GOD YES! Did the bit where I said enough ranting give you a clue? Doh! And apologies for any confusion about attribution. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] 11.04 Natty Narwhal
On 18 August 2010 16:46, Jonathon Fernyhough j.fernyho...@gmail.com wrote: On 18 August 2010 16:16, Liam Proven lpro...@gmail.com wrote: A small newt. I thought everyone knew that. Nope. Not everyone knows obscure words. Just in the same way I don't *expect* you to know what pedagogy is. I do, thanks. Indeed I suspect, sarcasm or irony aside, that I actually have a considerably better vocabulary than you do, since you make at least one howler in this very message. What, you don't know what feisty means? Seriously? Correct. The entire post was completely serious. However: From WordNet (r) 2.0 : feisty adj 1: showing courage; the champion is faced with a feisty challenger [syn: plucky, spunky] 2: irritable and looking for trouble; too touchy to make judicious decisions [syn: touchy] [also: feistiest, feistier] So it could well have been irritable rather than courageous. I'm surprised you haven't heard of something musty being described as feisty. I thought everyone knew that. I think that perhaps you are thinking of the word fusty here, which does indeed mean old, musty and smelling of damp. Also see fustian, referring to heavy tweedy fabric and thus by association carrying connotations of pompous old academicals. Feisty, however, never carries this connotation, to the best of my knowledge. Correct. I did not know that narwhals are a whale-like creature that live in the North Atlantic having a single large tusk, being hunted almost to extinction by Scandinavian countries, being credited with starting many sea monster stories (probably even the whole unicorn thing), despite having plenty of reference in popular culture. So you've never played the alphabet game? It goes around a ring of players and each must name another example of the chosen category, e.g. animals: Player 1 - ant Player 2 - baboon Player 3 - cat ... And so on. Most people get stuck on N; few common animals in English begin with N, which is why Ubuntu had a bit of a problem. Nanny-goat, narwhal and numbat and that's about it. YES! OH GOD YES! Did the bit where I said enough ranting give you a clue? You're just having a bit of pedantic facetiousness, aren't you? Why, yes, I am. It's a hobby of mine. Gives me great entertainment. So is philology, though, which is why I chose to pull you up. :¬) -- Liam Proven • Info profile: http://www.google.com/profiles/lproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • GMail/GoogleTalk/Orkut: lpro...@gmail.com Tel: +44 20-8685-0498 • Cell: +44 7939-087884 • Fax: + 44 870-9151419 AIM/Yahoo/Skype: liamproven • MSN: lpro...@hotmail.com • ICQ: 73187508 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] 11.04 Natty Narwhal
On 18 August 2010 13:58, Sean Miller s...@seanmiller.net wrote: On 18 August 2010 13:09, Colin Law clan...@googlemail.com wrote: GIMP is recursive by the definition 'An Acronym is defined as recursive if it refers to itself in the expression for which it stands, or if any of the initials stands for a recursive acronym.' (Excellent, a recursive definition of a recursive acronym.) And that definition exists where? I did not say that it was necessarily a generally accepted definition, merely that by that definition GIMP is recursive and therefore my original statement that 'it depends on the definition' is true. Having said that I believe I have seen that definition used somewhere on the web so it must be ok. I will just have a quick google ... Ah yes, have a look at http://old.nabble.com/11.04-Natty-Narwhal-td29463807i20.html#a29470562 :) Colin -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Scanners OCR
Heyhey everybody! I'm looking at investing in a scanner so I can digitise my university notes this coming academic year. I was wondering if anyone has a scanner they can recommend that works well with Ubuntu? Ideally it would be a tray-fed scanner, so I can put in several sheets at a time and just hit a nice big 'GO' button, and it would scan it all into a single PDF. Bonus points if it can scan both sides of the paper in one go. Also, has anyone tried any available OCR software for Ubuntu? It'd be great if I could scan in my notes into text, which would make them all searchable! Simon Wears http://MunkyJunky.com -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Scanners OCR
On 18/08/10 18:25, Simon Wears wrote: Heyhey everybody! I'm looking at investing in a scanner so I can digitise my university notes this coming academic year. I was wondering if anyone has a scanner they can recommend that works well with Ubuntu? Ideally it would be a tray-fed scanner, so I can put in several sheets at a time and just hit a nice big 'GO' button, and it would scan it all into a single PDF. Bonus points if it can scan both sides of the paper in one go. Also, has anyone tried any available OCR software for Ubuntu? It'd be great if I could scan in my notes into text, which would make them all searchable! Simon Wears http://MunkyJunky.comb Hmm, it's been a while since I looked into scanners, guess it depends how much you want to spend. IIRC some of the higher end HP ScanJet scanners have ADF feeder options although the scanners I've seen in the shops tend to be basic flat bed models. Guess it depends on your budget, but maybe you could look at a combined scanner/copier/printer with ADF unit (they seem to be more readily available). One such printer I tried recently was a Lexmark (X264) which was networked and scanned to e-mail, so basically you could scan anything and it would convert it to a PDF (it supported colour and black and white) and would e-mail it out. As far as OCR software goes, I've never tried any on Linux, last time I tried OCR software was on Windows and I'm not sure if it's improved or not, it certainly wasn't good enough to read handwriting. You say your notes are in text, will they be handwritten notes or typed up? Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Scanners OCR
The idea would be to scan in my handwritten notes, but that would also involve mathematical graphs symbols, which it may not cope with well. The OCR isn't as important, it would just be a nice feature. As long as I can make a digital copy of my notes easily it would do! Simon Wears http://MunkyJunky.com On 18 August 2010 19:02, Rob Beard r...@esdelle.co.uk wrote: On 18/08/10 18:25, Simon Wears wrote: Heyhey everybody! I'm looking at investing in a scanner so I can digitise my university notes this coming academic year. I was wondering if anyone has a scanner they can recommend that works well with Ubuntu? Ideally it would be a tray-fed scanner, so I can put in several sheets at a time and just hit a nice big 'GO' button, and it would scan it all into a single PDF. Bonus points if it can scan both sides of the paper in one go. Also, has anyone tried any available OCR software for Ubuntu? It'd be great if I could scan in my notes into text, which would make them all searchable! Simon Wears http://MunkyJunky.comb Hmm, it's been a while since I looked into scanners, guess it depends how much you want to spend. IIRC some of the higher end HP ScanJet scanners have ADF feeder options although the scanners I've seen in the shops tend to be basic flat bed models. Guess it depends on your budget, but maybe you could look at a combined scanner/copier/printer with ADF unit (they seem to be more readily available). One such printer I tried recently was a Lexmark (X264) which was networked and scanned to e-mail, so basically you could scan anything and it would convert it to a PDF (it supported colour and black and white) and would e-mail it out. As far as OCR software goes, I've never tried any on Linux, last time I tried OCR software was on Windows and I'm not sure if it's improved or not, it certainly wasn't good enough to read handwriting. You say your notes are in text, will they be handwritten notes or typed up? Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Scanners OCR
On Wed, 18 Aug 2010 19:51:02 +0100 Simon Wears wrote: On 18 August 2010 19:02, Rob Beard r...@esdelle.co.uk wrote: On 18/08/10 18:25, Simon Wears wrote: Heyhey everybody! I'm looking at investing in a scanner so I can digitise my university notes this coming academic year. I was wondering if anyone has a scanner they can recommend that works well with Ubuntu? Ideally it would be a tray-fed scanner, so I can put in several sheets at a time and just hit a nice big 'GO' button, and it would scan it all into a single PDF. Bonus points if it can scan both sides of the paper in one go. Also, has anyone tried any available OCR software for Ubuntu? It'd be great if I could scan in my notes into text, which would make them all searchable! Simon Wears http://MunkyJunky.comb Hmm, it's been a while since I looked into scanners, guess it depends how much you want to spend. IIRC some of the higher end HP ScanJet scanners have ADF feeder options although the scanners I've seen in the shops tend to be basic flat bed models. Guess it depends on your budget, but maybe you could look at a combined scanner/copier/printer with ADF unit (they seem to be more readily available). One such printer I tried recently was a Lexmark (X264) which was networked and scanned to e-mail, so basically you could scan anything and it would convert it to a PDF (it supported colour and black and white) and would e-mail it out. As far as OCR software goes, I've never tried any on Linux, last time I tried OCR software was on Windows and I'm not sure if it's improved or not, it certainly wasn't good enough to read handwriting. You say your notes are in text, will they be handwritten notes or typed up? Rob The idea would be to scan in my handwritten notes, but that would also involve mathematical graphs symbols, which it may not cope with well. The OCR isn't as important, it would just be a nice feature. As long as I can make a digital copy of my notes easily it would do! Simon Wears http://MunkyJunky.com I have found that a large number of USB scanners just work. The biggest issue I have found when trying to scan in what is essentially B/W line-art is getting the contrast/brightness settings right so the scanned version is legible. Grant. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Scanners OCR
On Wed, 18 Aug 2010 19:51:02 +0100 Simon Wears munkyju...@gmail.com wrote: On 18 August 2010 19:02, Rob Beard r...@esdelle.co.uk wrote: On 18/08/10 18:25, Simon Wears wrote: Heyhey everybody! I'm looking at investing in a scanner so I can digitise my university notes this coming academic year. I was wondering if anyone has a scanner they can recommend that works well with Ubuntu? Ideally it would be a tray-fed scanner, so I can put in several sheets at a time and just hit a nice big 'GO' button, and it would scan it all into a single PDF. Bonus points if it can scan both sides of the paper in one go. Also, has anyone tried any available OCR software for Ubuntu? It'd be great if I could scan in my notes into text, which would make them all searchable! Simon Wears http://MunkyJunky.comb Hmm, it's been a while since I looked into scanners, guess it depends how much you want to spend. IIRC some of the higher end HP ScanJet scanners have ADF feeder options although the scanners I've seen in the shops tend to be basic flat bed models. Guess it depends on your budget, but maybe you could look at a combined scanner/copier/printer with ADF unit (they seem to be more readily available). One such printer I tried recently was a Lexmark (X264) which was networked and scanned to e-mail, so basically you could scan anything and it would convert it to a PDF (it supported colour and black and white) and would e-mail it out. As far as OCR software goes, I've never tried any on Linux, last time I tried OCR software was on Windows and I'm not sure if it's improved or not, it certainly wasn't good enough to read handwriting. You say your notes are in text, will they be handwritten notes or typed up? Rob The idea would be to scan in my handwritten notes, but that would also involve mathematical graphs symbols, which it may not cope with well. The OCR isn't as important, it would just be a nice feature. As long as I can make a digital copy of my notes easily it would do! I’d just get any old scanner, you could probably get one free from Freecycle, although they are dirt cheap these days. My experience of sheet feeders is that they will only work reliably with decent quality paper that has been kept nice and flat and hasn’t had greasy hands resting on it etc. Exercise book paper is an absolute sod to get to feed properly, even one sheet at a time. I haven’t seen any OCR software that works for handwriting, as I imagine it would face similar problems to voice recognition. -- Steve Cook (Yorvyk) http://lubuntu.net -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Scanners OCR
On 18 August 2010 18:25, Simon Wears munkyju...@gmail.com wrote: Heyhey everybody! I'm looking at investing in a scanner so I can digitise my university notes this coming academic year. I was wondering if anyone has a scanner they can recommend that works well with Ubuntu? Ideally it would be a tray-fed scanner, so I can put in several sheets at a time and just hit a nice big 'GO' button, and it would scan it all into a single PDF. Bonus points if it can scan both sides of the paper in one go. Also, has anyone tried any available OCR software for Ubuntu? It'd be great if I could scan in my notes into text, which would make them all searchable! Simon Wears http://MunkyJunky.com I have a CanoScan LiDE 60. It is only a simple flat bed scanner, but does fulfil your 'works with ubuntu' requirement. I seem to remember going to the SANE website and looking for information on what is supported before buying it. http://www.sane-project.org/sane-supported-devices.html Have fun! -- Philip Stubbs -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Scanners OCR
On 18/08/10 18:25, Simon Wears wrote: Heyhey everybody! I'm looking at investing in a scanner so I can digitise my university notes this coming academic year. I was wondering if anyone has a scanner they can recommend that works well with Ubuntu? Ideally it would be a tray-fed scanner, so I can put in several sheets at a time and just hit a nice big 'GO' button, and it would scan it all into a single PDF. Bonus points if it can scan both sides of the paper in one go. Also, has anyone tried any available OCR software for Ubuntu? It'd be great if I could scan in my notes into text, which would make them all searchable! Simon Wears http://MunkyJunky.com At a slight tangent, when we come across a sign or map we need to refer to, when on holiday , we simply photograph it. A 3 M pixel camera with a close up (macro?) focus ability and a good light source nearby produces a very readable jpeg, and a 5 Mp camera even better. It occurs to me that in addition to the method of digital capture, you will produce a lot of files, all with similar IDs. This is unlike notes which have an easier intuitive recognition I suspect. So also consider your files organisation strategy? good luck -- alan cocks Ubuntu user -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] 11.04 Natty Narwhal
With a name like that, how long before the media call it the NUTTY Narwhal? Or the NUTTY KNOW-ALL? Worse name ever for an Ubuntu release. Calling any product Natty is a recipe for disaster. They could have chosen something more positive, such as Nimble Nightingale. David King Jonathon Fernyhough wrote: On 17 August 2010 19:44, Laura Czajkowski la...@lczajkowski.com wrote: Aloha, Thought folks might be interested to know that 11.04 will be the Natty Narwhal http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/478 Laura -- Easy steps to make your product fail: 1) Give it a name only the developers would understand in its proper context, e.g. GIMP. 2) ??? 3) Profit! *cough* Sorry. 2) Promote the product via this name (or codename). 3) Wonder why the general public (general ignorant audience) don't jump on board when they think the name sounds unprofessional or just plain stupid (e.g. GIMP). 4) Resist all urges by your community to change the name as there's nothing wrong with it. If you read this far, thank you. The point I think I'm trying to make is that Canonical seems to be wandering further and further off into obscure yet geeky-cool naming schemes. Let's look at them shall we? Warty Warthog. Fine. It was warty. Makes sense, warthog. Warts. Fine. Hoary Hedgehog. Familiar animal, hairy so mature. OK I guess. Breezy Badger. Easy breezy. Nice and simple. Badger is a dependable creature. Good name. Dapper Drake. Dapper, polished. Good. LTS. Drake? It's a male duck. Umm. They like to gang rape female ducks? Or do you mean a flying dragon? Edgy Eft. Edgy, damned right it was. WTF is an Eft? Feisty Fawn. Bit musty and mouldy? Grovelling about on the floor? Oh, wait, you mean eager? And a deer? An eager deer? Gutsy Gibbon. Gutsy, fine. Strong. Gibbon, fine, intelligent, mobile, sociable etc. Hardy Heron. Hardy, strong, LTS. Good name for an LTS. Heron, patient. Good name. Intrepid Ibex. Breaking new ground, Ibex is a call back to Ubuntu origin. Good name. Jaunty Jackalope. OK, here we go. A fictional creature that's a bit sure of itself. Karmic Koala. Karmic as in it has reached nirvana? I'm not sure Karmic was /that/ good. Koalas eat eucalyptus; was that a package introduced? Elastic computing thing? Lucid Lynx. Clear-minded wildcat. Umm. Not exactly a dependable creature for an LTS, then. Maverick Meerkat. Advert tie-in. Simples. Was any new ground broken? I can't really think of any, indicator was introduced in Lucid. Oh wait, the window button positions. That's ground-breaking, obviously. Natty Narwhal. Oh come on. From WordNet (r) 2.0 : dapper adj : marked by smartness in dress and manners; a dapper young man; a jaunty red hat [syn: dashing, jaunty, natty, raffish, rakish, smart, spiffy, snappy, spruce] Dapper, Jaunty, Natty? Well, at least that's the codenames for R and S sorted (I'm going to bet now on Raffish and Spiffy). From WordNet (r) 2.0 : narwhal n : small arctic whale the male having a long spiral ivory tusk [syn: narwal, narwhale, Monodon monoceros] Monodon. Monoceros. Those are good names. Sound powerful, hints of rhinoceros (and Ubuntu again). Oh, wait, we've already had M in 10.10. Raffish Rhinoceros for 13.04, anyone? Nah, rhinoceros is too well known. It would have to be something like Raffish Roach (that's right, it's a fish, but people will think it's a cockroach. Perfect!). Enough ranting. I'll leave you with this: From The Collaborative International Dictionary of English v.0.48 : narwhal it is called also sea unicorn, unicorn fish, and unicorn whale. Jonathon Oh, if 13.04 is Raffish Roach do I get a prize? -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] 11.04 Natty Narwhal
On 18/08/10 22:07, David King wrote: With a name like that, how long before the media call it the NUTTY Narwhal? Or the NUTTY KNOW-ALL? Worse name ever for an Ubuntu release. Calling any product Natty is a recipe for disaster. They could have chosen something more positive, such as Nimble Nightingale. David King Jonathon Fernyhough wrote: On 17 August 2010 19:44, Laura Czajkowskila...@lczajkowski.com wrote: Aloha, Thought folks might be interested to know that 11.04 will be the Natty Narwhal http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/478 Laura -- Easy steps to make your product fail: 1) Give it a name only the developers would understand in its proper context, e.g. GIMP. 2) ??? 3) Profit! *cough* Sorry. 2) Promote the product via this name (or codename). 3) Wonder why the general public (general ignorant audience) don't jump on board when they think the name sounds unprofessional or just plain stupid (e.g. GIMP). 4) Resist all urges by your community to change the name as there's nothing wrong with it. If you read this far, thank you. The point I think I'm trying to make is that Canonical seems to be wandering further and further off into obscure yet geeky-cool naming schemes. Let's look at them shall we? Warty Warthog. Fine. It was warty. Makes sense, warthog. Warts. Fine. Hoary Hedgehog. Familiar animal, hairy so mature. OK I guess. Breezy Badger. Easy breezy. Nice and simple. Badger is a dependable creature. Good name. Dapper Drake. Dapper, polished. Good. LTS. Drake? It's a male duck. Umm. They like to gang rape female ducks? Or do you mean a flying dragon? Edgy Eft. Edgy, damned right it was. WTF is an Eft? Feisty Fawn. Bit musty and mouldy? Grovelling about on the floor? Oh, wait, you mean eager? And a deer? An eager deer? Gutsy Gibbon. Gutsy, fine. Strong. Gibbon, fine, intelligent, mobile, sociable etc. Hardy Heron. Hardy, strong, LTS. Good name for an LTS. Heron, patient. Good name. Intrepid Ibex. Breaking new ground, Ibex is a call back to Ubuntu origin. Good name. Jaunty Jackalope. OK, here we go. A fictional creature that's a bit sure of itself. Karmic Koala. Karmic as in it has reached nirvana? I'm not sure Karmic was /that/ good. Koalas eat eucalyptus; was that a package introduced? Elastic computing thing? Lucid Lynx. Clear-minded wildcat. Umm. Not exactly a dependable creature for an LTS, then. Maverick Meerkat. Advert tie-in. Simples. Was any new ground broken? I can't really think of any, indicator was introduced in Lucid. Oh wait, the window button positions. That's ground-breaking, obviously. Natty Narwhal. Oh come on. From WordNet (r) 2.0 : dapper adj : marked by smartness in dress and manners; a dapper young man; a jaunty red hat [syn: dashing, jaunty, natty, raffish, rakish, smart, spiffy, snappy, spruce] Dapper, Jaunty, Natty? Well, at least that's the codenames for R and S sorted (I'm going to bet now on Raffish and Spiffy). From WordNet (r) 2.0 : narwhal n : small arctic whale the male having a long spiral ivory tusk [syn: narwal, narwhale, Monodon monoceros] Monodon. Monoceros. Those are good names. Sound powerful, hints of rhinoceros (and Ubuntu again). Oh, wait, we've already had M in 10.10. Raffish Rhinoceros for 13.04, anyone? Nah, rhinoceros is too well known. It would have to be something like Raffish Roach (that's right, it's a fish, but people will think it's a cockroach. Perfect!). Enough ranting. I'll leave you with this: From The Collaborative International Dictionary of English v.0.48 : narwhal it is called also sea unicorn, unicorn fish, and unicorn whale. Jonathon Oh, if 13.04 is Raffish Roach do I get a prize? Aww who cares, to me as long as there are updates that help to make things work, I really dont care. John -- Ubuntu User #30817 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Scanners OCR
On 18/08/2010 19:51, Simon Wears wrote: The idea would be to scan in my handwritten notes, but that would also involve mathematical graphs symbols, which it may not cope with well. The OCR isn't as important, it would just be a nice feature. As long as I can make a digital copy of my notes easily it would do! Simon Wears http://MunkyJunky.com Current state of OCR is that it's good for post-1950 printed texts, but pretty bad for older publications and handwriting. (I've recently been banging my head against 18th century texts - OCR just doesn't work there.) No idea as to the state of dedicated handwriting recognition apps. If you're taking notes, why not enter them directly onto your computer? HTH John -- John Levin http://www.anterotesis.com http://www.facebook.com/john.levin http://twitter.com/anterotesis -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Scanners OCR
On 18 August 2010 22:24, John Levin technola...@gmail.com wrote: No idea as to the state of dedicated handwriting recognition apps. If you're taking notes, why not enter them directly onto your computer? Alternatively, type up the notes later. It will help reinforce the lecture. Of course you will have to give up some beer time, so not really a practical suggestion. :-) -- Philip Stubbs -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] 11.04 Natty Narwhal
On 18 August 2010 18:11, Colin Law clan...@googlemail.com wrote: I did not say that it was necessarily a generally accepted definition, merely that by that definition GIMP is recursive and therefore my original statement that 'it depends on the definition' is true. Having said that I believe I have seen that definition used somewhere on the web so it must be ok. I will just have a quick google ... Ah yes, have a look at http://old.nabble.com/11.04-Natty-Narwhal-td29463807i20.html#a29470562 Except that Wikipedia says no such thing, so you are deluding yourself completely... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recursive_acronym So, please, before we all lose the will to live instead of INVENTING definitions to back up your assertion, try sending some LINKS to ANY definition that suggests GIMP is recursive, for it is not and will never be so... unless you prove otherwise. Case closed for now, methinks! Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] 11.04 Natty Narwhal
On 18/08/10 23:19, Sean Miller wrote: On 18 August 2010 18:11, Colin Lawclan...@googlemail.com wrote: I did not say that it was necessarily a generally accepted definition, merely that by that definition GIMP is recursive and therefore my original statement that 'it depends on the definition' is true. Having said that I believe I have seen that definition used somewhere on the web so it must be ok. I will just have a quick google ... Ah yes, have a look at http://old.nabble.com/11.04-Natty-Narwhal-td29463807i20.html#a29470562 Except that Wikipedia says no such thing, so you are deluding yourself completely... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recursive_acronym So, please, before we all lose the will to live instead of INVENTING definitions to back up your assertion, try sending some LINKS to ANY definition that suggests GIMP is recursive, for it is not and will never be so... unless you prove otherwise. Case closed for now, methinks! Sean Who cares... -- Ubuntu User #30817 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
