Re: [ubuntu-uk] Fwd: [Ossg-announcements] Adoption of Open Source across HM Government – London 22/02/11 and 01/03/11]]
On Mon, 2011-02-07 at 22:06 +, alan c wrote: I am also planning to attend the first one - see you? alan cocks Indeed - see you there :) attachment: face-smile.png-- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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Yes, that's good - see you there :) Paula On Fri, 2011-02-04 at 17:18 +, Barry Drake wrote: On Fri, 2011-02-04 at 11:14 +, gazz wrote: Barry - I'd like to go to the first one on 22 Feb - which is the day you arrive in London. Need to organise something as it starts half an hour after your train arrives! My train arrives at St Pancras at 5.00 pm, so if I go straight there, I can be at the meeting too. I have e-mailed to book a place. Is this OK with you? It was lovely to meet up with you at the exhibition on Wednesday, and I am looking forward to working with you. Kind regards, Barry. -- Barry Drake is a member of the the Ubuntu Advertising team. http://ubuntuadverts.org/ attachment: face-smile.png-- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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On Fri, 2011-02-04 at 13:21 +, Chris Rowson wrote: Let us know how you get on. I'm a BCS member, joined the open source specialist group a few months ago but unfortunately I've not had the time to get involved as much as I should do. The contact details are in the email to make a booking, and it might be interesting for you to let us know if non BCS folk can attend too (although even if not, that's easily remedied my joining!) Chris (sorry for top posting but using mobile phone) On 4 Feb 2011 11:14, gazz pmg...@gmx.co.uk wrote: I've just got confirmation of my registration and I'm not a member so looks like it's open. It should be interesting! Paula -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Fwd: [Ossg-announcements] Adoption of Open Source across HM Government – London 22/02/11 and 01/03/11]]
I am also planning to attend the first one - see you? alan cocks On 07/02/11 10:59, gazz wrote: Yes, that's good - see you there :) Paula On Fri, 2011-02-04 at 17:18 +, Barry Drake wrote: On Fri, 2011-02-04 at 11:14 +, gazz wrote: Barry - I'd like to go to the first one on 22 Feb - which is the day you arrive in London. Need to organise something as it starts half an hour after your train arrives! My train arrives at St Pancras at 5.00 pm, so if I go straight there, I can be at the meeting too. I have e-mailed to book a place. Is this OK with you? It was lovely to meet up with you at the exhibition on Wednesday, and I am looking forward to working with you. Kind regards, Barry. -- Barry Drake is a member of the the Ubuntu Advertising team. http://ubuntuadverts.org/ -- alan cocks Ubuntu user -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Fwd: [Ossg-announcements] Adoption of Open Source across HM Government – London 22/02/11 and 01/03/11
On Thu, 2011-02-03 at 20:39 +, Chris Rowson wrote: I thought that some of you may might be interested in this. Chris This is very interesting, though some of the statements and rhetorical questions raised an eyebrow. HMG's track record of software projects is far from glorious so I hope that we do not get a Birmingham City Council experience. Barry -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Fwd: [Ossg-announcements] Adoption of Open Source across HM Government – London 22/02/11 and 01/03/11]]
This might be of interest, there's clearly already a consultancy project assessing barriers to adoption of OSS in the civil service - as I thought, these aren't trivial. It could make sense to talk to the OSSG about any projected event? Anyway, I'm going to attend one of these meetings. Barry - I'd like to go to the first one on 22 Feb - which is the day you arrive in London. Need to organise something as it starts half an hour after your train arrives! Paula -- Forwarded message -- From: *Mark Elkins* markelkins...@yahoo.co.uk mailto:markelkins...@yahoo.co.uk Date: 2011/2/3 Subject: [Ossg-announcements] Adoption of Open Source across HM Government – London 22/02/11 and 01/03/11 To: ossg-announceme...@ossg.bcs.org mailto:ossg-announceme...@ossg.bcs.org Two events are being hosted by the Open Source Specialist Group (OSSG) http://ossg.bcs.org that considers adoption of Open Source across HM Government. These will be held at the BCS Central London Offices, First Floor, The Davidson Building, 5 Southampton Street, London WC2E 7HA (http://www.bcs.org/upload/pdf/london-office-guide.pdf)) on Tuesday 22nd February 2011, and Tuesday 1st March 2011 both from 1800 to 2100. These bookable events are *free and open* to all with buffet and refreshments. To book a place to attend please contact Mark Elkins via mark_elk...@bcs.org mailto:mark_elk...@bcs.org A member of the Home Office IT Team is undertaking research in conjunction with the Cabinet Office to: (1) try and understand why Open Source is not represented better across HMG and the wider public sector, and (2) identify and address barriers to adoption of Open Source across HMG and the wider public sector. * * *Context* 1. The Coalition Government believes Open Source Software can deliver significant short and long term cost savings across Government IT. 2. Typical benefits of Open Source include lower procurement prices, no license costs, interoperability, easier integration and customisation, compliance with open technology and data standards giving autonomy over your own information and freedom from vendor lock in. 3. OSS is not currently widely used in Government IT, and the leading systems integrators for Government Departments do not routinely consider open source software for IT solution options, as required by existing HMG ICT policy. 4. There are significant and wide ranging obstacles to Open Source in Government. Some of these are lack of procurement guidance, resistance from suppliers, concerns about license obligations and patent issues, and a lack of understanding of open source maturity and its development ecosystem. * * *Debates* The debates will focus on (1) understanding the barriers to wider adoption of Open Source across HMG, and (2) potential solutions to these barriers. We will aim to have representatives from major IT suppliers to HMG to help us understand the barriers from their perspective, and to help us understand how well any proposed solutions might work. The debates should be more a dialogue with the IT suppliers than amongst OSS supporters. * * *Evening Debate 1 – Tuesday 22nd January* 1. Supplier Challenge – how can we incentivize the traditional IT suppliers to consider OSS when evaluation software options? * Suitable OSS is not currently being considered equally – why? * What are the disincentives for IT suppliers? In-house skills. New support relationships with OSS vendors and support companies. Any others? * If they do work with OSS, how can we be sure the cost benefits are passed onto customers? 2. Procurement – how can it be better? * What are the current obstacles? Do the existing contracts and frameworks discourage OSS – if so, how? 3. OSS Assessment Model – working with IT suppliers * IT suppliers aren’t very open with how they select software as candidates for evaluation – not sustainable when spending taxpayers money. * We can help make this more transparent by working with them to build an assessment model they can sign up to. What would suppliers like to include in this assessment ? I have started a model to de developed. * List of top software per category (virtualisation, monitoring, email, collaboration, etc) – needs to be maintained to be useful, but will get the ball rolling in current lack of knowledge. 4. Case Studies – evidence of short and long term value for money. Where are these? Also proven examples of OSS use in high demand, volume or availability applications. 5. Other Ideas – especially for the next debate. * * *Evening Debate 2 – Tuesday 1st March* 1. Security. OSS is insecure compared to commercial software? * By what criteria can we select software to minimise security risks? * Does OSS need a different approach to patching? * Can we simply use empirical evidence when comparing OSS with closed software? Statistics for internet browsers
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Fwd: [Ossg-announcements] Adoption of Open Source across HM Government – London 22/02/11 and 01/03/11]]
On Fri, 2011-02-04 at 11:14 +, gazz wrote: Barry - I'd like to go to the first one on 22 Feb - which is the day you arrive in London. Need to organise something as it starts half an hour after your train arrives! My train arrives at St Pancras at 5.00 pm, so if I go straight there, I can be at the meeting too. I have e-mailed to book a place. Is this OK with you? It was lovely to meet up with you at the exhibition on Wednesday, and I am looking forward to working with you. Kind regards, Barry. -- Barry Drake is a member of the the Ubuntu Advertising team. http://ubuntuadverts.org/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Fwd: [Ossg-announcements] Adoption of Open Source across HM Government – London 22/02/11 and 01/03/11
I thought that some of you may might be interested in this. Chris -- Forwarded message -- From: Mark Elkins markelkins...@yahoo.co.uk Date: 2011/2/3 Subject: [Ossg-announcements] Adoption of Open Source across HM Government – London 22/02/11 and 01/03/11 To: ossg-announceme...@ossg.bcs.org Two events are being hosted by the Open Source Specialist Group (OSSG) http://ossg.bcs.org that considers adoption of Open Source across HM Government. These will be held at the BCS Central London Offices, First Floor, The Davidson Building, 5 Southampton Street, London WC2E 7HA ( http://www.bcs.org/upload/pdf/london-office-guide.pdf)) on Tuesday 22nd February 2011, and Tuesday 1st March 2011 both from 1800 to 2100. These bookable events are *free and open* to all with buffet and refreshments. To book a place to attend please contact Mark Elkins via mark_elk...@bcs.org A member of the Home Office IT Team is undertaking research in conjunction with the Cabinet Office to: (1) try and understand why Open Source is not represented better across HMG and the wider public sector, and (2) identify and address barriers to adoption of Open Source across HMG and the wider public sector. * * *Context* 1. The Coalition Government believes Open Source Software can deliver significant short and long term cost savings across Government IT. 2. Typical benefits of Open Source include lower procurement prices, no license costs, interoperability, easier integration and customisation, compliance with open technology and data standards giving autonomy over your own information and freedom from vendor lock in. 3. OSS is not currently widely used in Government IT, and the leading systems integrators for Government Departments do not routinely consider open source software for IT solution options, as required by existing HMG ICT policy. 4. There are significant and wide ranging obstacles to Open Source in Government. Some of these are lack of procurement guidance, resistance from suppliers, concerns about license obligations and patent issues, and a lack of understanding of open source maturity and its development ecosystem. * * *Debates* The debates will focus on (1) understanding the barriers to wider adoption of Open Source across HMG, and (2) potential solutions to these barriers. We will aim to have representatives from major IT suppliers to HMG to help us understand the barriers from their perspective, and to help us understand how well any proposed solutions might work. The debates should be more a dialogue with the IT suppliers than amongst OSS supporters. * * *Evening Debate 1 – Tuesday 22nd January* 1. Supplier Challenge – how can we incentivize the traditional IT suppliers to consider OSS when evaluation software options? - Suitable OSS is not currently being considered equally – why? - What are the disincentives for IT suppliers? In-house skills. New support relationships with OSS vendors and support companies. Any others? - If they do work with OSS, how can we be sure the cost benefits are passed onto customers? 2. Procurement – how can it be better? - What are the current obstacles? Do the existing contracts and frameworks discourage OSS – if so, how? 3. OSS Assessment Model – working with IT suppliers - IT suppliers aren’t very open with how they select software as candidates for evaluation – not sustainable when spending taxpayers money. - We can help make this more transparent by working with them to build an assessment model they can sign up to. What would suppliers like to include in this assessment ? I have started a model to de developed. - List of top software per category (virtualisation, monitoring, email, collaboration, etc) – needs to be maintained to be useful, but will get the ball rolling in current lack of knowledge. 4. Case Studies – evidence of short and long term value for money. Where are these? Also proven examples of OSS use in high demand, volume or availability applications. 5. Other Ideas – especially for the next debate. * * *Evening Debate 2 – Tuesday 1st March* 1. Security. OSS is insecure compared to commercial software? - By what criteria can we select software to minimise security risks? - Does OSS need a different approach to patching? - Can we simply use empirical evidence when comparing OSS with closed software? Statistics for internet browsers are common – published vulnerabilities, known exploits, time to fix - Key question for HMG is – all things being equal, open code means vulnerabilities can be discovered and exploited before there is time to fix 2. Buy-not-Build. Can OSS actually benefit HMG because HMG doesn’t want custom or re-engineered software? - HMG generally asks IT suppliers to build systems from COTS components and minimise customisation and re-engineering – it wasn’t want to maintain special code because of cost and risk. So does a significant
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Fwd: [Ossg-announcements] Adoption of Open Source across HM Government – London 22/02/11 and 01/03/11
If I wasn't having a meeting with my local council about exactly this on the same date, I would go Jacob Mansfield Programmer CyberKing Solutions www.cyberkingsolutions.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Fwd: [Ossg-announcements] Adoption of Open Source across HM Government – London 22/02/11 and 01/03/11
If I wasn't having a meeting with my local council about exactly this on the same date, I would go Jacob Mansfield There are contact details on the email. I'm not sure whether or not the talk is limited to members of the BCS OSSG or not? Chris -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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These bookable events are free and open to all with buffet and refreshments. To book a place to attend please contact Mark Elkins via mark_elk...@bcs.org yep Jacob Mansfield Programmer CyberKing Solutions www.cyberkingsolutions.co.uk On 3 February 2011 22:39, Chris Rowson christopherrow...@gmail.com wrote: If I wasn't having a meeting with my local council about exactly this on the same date, I would go Jacob Mansfield There are contact details on the email. I'm not sure whether or not the talk is limited to members of the BCS OSSG or not? Chris -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
