Re: [ubuntu-uk] Google Chrome
On 18/12/13 07:36, Paul Mellors wrote: Hello Norman Are you having problems with the site, as using a default chrome should just work fine [after looking at that link], chrome browser is the same as it would be in windows there really isn't anything to disimilar. As would be firefox. Both browsers employ a lot of common code across all Operating Systems. Skimming through the optimising suggestions I didn't see very much that was Windows specific apart from adding a trusted certificate (which is a *doddle* in Firefox BTW). What is/are the issue(s) you are having? Al -- Libertus Solutions http://www.libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Google Chrome
On 18/12/13 08:39, Alan Lord (News) wrote: On 18/12/13 07:36, Paul Mellors wrote: Hello Norman Are you having problems with the site, as using a default chrome should just work fine [after looking at that link], chrome browser is the same as it would be in windows there really isn't anything to disimilar. As would be firefox. Both browsers employ a lot of common code across all Operating Systems. Skimming through the optimising suggestions I didn't see very much that was Windows specific apart from adding a trusted certificate (which is a *doddle* in Firefox BTW). What is/are the issue(s) you are having? When making a search, after a few clicks of the mouse the Ancestry screen stops responding. Sometimes, after logging in to the site there is no further response. What's putting me off going ahead with the suggestions is that the screen shots presented in the 'how to' are very different to my screen for Google Chrome. Norman -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Google Chrome
Hi Norman, I'm on 12.04, and having tons of trouble with Chrome, but not on Ancestry. But I do see that the post you're directed to was published in 2010, so I should think the info was out of date anyway. I don't have the problems in Firefox, so I think the problem is Chrome rather than Ancestry or my OS. Dianne -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Google Chrome
Chrome does occasionally have trouble with ancestry.co.uk (as it does with other forms to varying degrees in my experience) but you shouldn't have to do anything to fix it, and if the instructions are from 2010 then they are very out of date so just ignore them. These things eventually either come to the attention of site owners or Google and are fixed in one way or another. s/ On 18 December 2013 09:11, Norman Silverstone nor...@littletank.org wrote: On 18/12/13 08:39, Alan Lord (News) wrote: On 18/12/13 07:36, Paul Mellors wrote: Hello Norman Are you having problems with the site, as using a default chrome should just work fine [after looking at that link], chrome browser is the same as it would be in windows there really isn't anything to disimilar. As would be firefox. Both browsers employ a lot of common code across all Operating Systems. Skimming through the optimising suggestions I didn't see very much that was Windows specific apart from adding a trusted certificate (which is a *doddle* in Firefox BTW). What is/are the issue(s) you are having? When making a search, after a few clicks of the mouse the Ancestry screen stops responding. Sometimes, after logging in to the site there is no further response. What's putting me off going ahead with the suggestions is that the screen shots presented in the 'how to' are very different to my screen for Google Chrome. Norman -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- Twitter: @sfgreenwood TBA are particularly glib -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Google Chrome
I'm on 12.04, and having tons of trouble with Chrome, but not on Ancestry. But I do see that the post you're directed to was published in 2010, so I should think the info was out of date anyway. I don't have the problems in Firefox, so I think the problem is Chrome rather than Ancestry or my OS. Dianne My thanks to all those who came to my assistance. I took the bull by the horns, cleared the cache, re-booted and all is well again. Norman -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Google Chrome
I am using a web site which requires me to carry out some optimising procedures non of which cover Linux OS. Is this the place to ask for advice or would it be best if I contacted Google? Norman -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Google Chrome
On Tue, 17 Dec 2013, Norman Silverstone wrote: I am using a web site which requires What is the website? -Paul -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Google Chrome
On 17/12/13 21:34, Paul Sladen wrote: On Tue, 17 Dec 2013, Norman Silverstone wrote: I am using a web site which requires What is the website? Ancestry.co.uk and here are the instructions http://help.ancestry.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/5253 Norman -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Google Chrome
Hello Norman Are you having problems with the site, as using a default chrome should just work fine [after looking at that link], chrome browser is the same as it would be in windows there really isn't anything to disimilar. MooDoo On 18 December 2013 07:28, Norman Silverstone nor...@littletank.org wrote: On 17/12/13 21:34, Paul Sladen wrote: On Tue, 17 Dec 2013, Norman Silverstone wrote: I am using a web site which requires What is the website? Ancestry.co.uk and here are the instructions http://help.ancestry.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/5253 Norman -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Google Chrome wont load......
On 05/04/12 11:39, Colin Law wrote: On 5 April 2012 11:10, scoundrel50ascoundrel...@gmail.com wrote: I am running in a partition Ubuntu 11.10, and today I got a rather large update. and after rebooting, Google chrome stopped loading. The window appeared for about 2 seconds after you click on the GC logo, and it then closes.anybody have any ideas why that should be happening? Could be this problem possibly https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/972821 linux-image-3.0.0-18-generic makes apport-gtk and chromium-browser segfault on startup. Colin Sorry its taken me so long to get back to you, still having problems, still wont load...using 12.04 most of the time, but would still like to know why I cant get Chrome to load in 11.10. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Google Chrome wont load......
On 7 April 2012 13:28, John scoundrel...@gmail.com wrote: On 05/04/12 11:39, Colin Law wrote: On 5 April 2012 11:10, scoundrel50ascoundrel...@gmail.com wrote: I am running in a partition Ubuntu 11.10, and today I got a rather large update. and after rebooting, Google chrome stopped loading. The window appeared for about 2 seconds after you click on the GC logo, and it then closes.anybody have any ideas why that should be happening? Could be this problem possibly https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/972821 linux-image-3.0.0-18-generic makes apport-gtk and chromium-browser segfault on startup. Colin Sorry its taken me so long to get back to you, still having problems, still wont load...using 12.04 most of the time, but would still like to know why I cant get Chrome to load in 11.10. Have you got the new kernel as noted in the bug? In a terminal type uname -a to find which one you have. The bug is marked Fix Committed but not Fix Released, which should mean it is not available yet. Colin -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Google Chrome wont load......
On 07/04/12 13:35, Colin Law wrote: On 7 April 2012 13:28, Johnscoundrel...@gmail.com wrote: On 05/04/12 11:39, Colin Law wrote: On 5 April 2012 11:10, scoundrel50ascoundrel...@gmail.comwrote: I am running in a partition Ubuntu 11.10, and today I got a rather large update. and after rebooting, Google chrome stopped loading. The window appeared for about 2 seconds after you click on the GC logo, and it then closes.anybody have any ideas why that should be happening? Could be this problem possibly https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/972821 linux-image-3.0.0-18-generic makes apport-gtk and chromium-browser segfault on startup. Colin Sorry its taken me so long to get back to you, still having problems, still wont load...using 12.04 most of the time, but would still like to know why I cant get Chrome to load in 11.10. Have you got the new kernel as noted in the bug? In a terminal type uname -a to find which one you have. The bug is marked Fix Committed but not Fix Released, which should mean it is not available yet. Colin Just got the update, and its worked sorry about that.. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Google Chrome wont load......
I am running in a partition Ubuntu 11.10, and today I got a rather large update. and after rebooting, Google chrome stopped loading. The window appeared for about 2 seconds after you click on the GC logo, and it then closes.anybody have any ideas why that should be happening? John -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Google Chrome wont load......
On 5 April 2012 11:10, scoundrel50a scoundrel...@gmail.com wrote: I am running in a partition Ubuntu 11.10, and today I got a rather large update. and after rebooting, Google chrome stopped loading. The window appeared for about 2 seconds after you click on the GC logo, and it then closes.anybody have any ideas why that should be happening? Could be this problem possibly https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/972821 linux-image-3.0.0-18-generic makes apport-gtk and chromium-browser segfault on startup. Colin -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Google Chrome OS Announced
http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009/07/introducing-google-chrome-os.html Based on Linux kernel etc. ...or you could just get Ubuntu :-) -- James Milligan lak...@lake54.com www.lake54.com www.killermentality.com www.twitter.com/lake54 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Google Chrome OS Announced
Just saw this myself. How soon until we get Goobuntu or Uchromtu? My take? Overall this will be a good thing as, increasingly, the OS will be irrelevent therefore the OS will increasingly be Linux. Even Microsloth will find a way to make money out of it. Everyone's a winner! Cheers Bruce 2009/7/8 James Milligan lak...@lake54.com http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009/07/introducing-google-chrome-os.html Based on Linux kernel etc. ...or you could just get Ubuntu :-) -- James Milligan lak...@lake54.com www.lake54.com www.killermentality.com www.twitter.com/lake54 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Google Chrome OS Announced
Haha. A blow to Linux - it IS Linux! James -- James Milligan lak...@lake54.com www.lake54.com www.killermentality.com www.twitter.com/lake54 On 8 Jul 2009, at 09:24, Steve Cook yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 James Milligan wrote: http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009/07/introducing-google-chrome-os.html Based on Linux kernel etc. ...or you could just get Ubuntu :-) But the Beeb doesn’t quite understand http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8139711.stm -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkpUV6MACgkQICATF4lwn1px7QCfa1sNYfXPl0Eyf7mL/aHMF3hB BbAAoJCAbvXJPhLSdGpxHRviFDlCSQv1 =PgTD -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Google Chrome OS Announced
2009/7/8 James Milligan lak...@lake54.com: Haha. A blow to Linux - it IS Linux! A blow to linux distros.. How many OEMs ship Ubuntu as an easily available option on netbooks/laptops/desktops/ right now, and how many will in 2010 when Google OS releases? How many will Google have? Will this make Ubuntu irrelevent for large swathes of web users? Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Google Chrome OS Announced
The telegraph have also made the same mistake as the Beeb, even worse though is some of the so called non-linux tech news sites have made the same presumptions. For me is the HTML 5 standard, does that mean Google might go the opensourced route with their media playing etc. Dale On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 9:45 AM, James Milligan lak...@lake54.com wrote: Haha. A blow to Linux - it IS Linux! James -- James Milligan lak...@lake54.com www.lake54.com www.killermentality.com www.twitter.com/lake54 On 8 Jul 2009, at 09:24, Steve Cook yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 James Milligan wrote: http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009/07/introducing-google-chrome-os.html Based on Linux kernel etc. ...or you could just get Ubuntu :-) But the Beeb doesn’t quite understand http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8139711.stm -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkpUV6MACgkQICATF4lwn1px7QCfa1sNYfXPl0Eyf7mL/aHMF3hB BbAAoJCAbvXJPhLSdGpxHRviFDlCSQv1 =PgTD -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Google Chrome OS Announced
Alan I think Google will have to look at partners in this and as Ubuntu has a very large user base, surely, it would be foolish to ignore them. But then again they did ignore Sun's java for Google Chrome. With Google introducing new HTML 5 (Web application 1) goodies (Google Wave) this year and what has been mooted for Google Docs with this new standard I see a completely different computing experience. Dale On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 9:50 AM, Alan Pope a...@popey.com wrote: 2009/7/8 James Milligan lak...@lake54.com: Haha. A blow to Linux - it IS Linux! A blow to linux distros.. How many OEMs ship Ubuntu as an easily available option on netbooks/laptops/desktops/ right now, and how many will in 2010 when Google OS releases? How many will Google have? Will this make Ubuntu irrelevent for large swathes of web users? Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Google Chrome OS Announced
An OS from google can only be a good thing for ubuntu, getting peoples heads around the idea of alternative OSs. More high profile choices will equal more progress. Right now almost anyone i speak to has no idea what the OS is, and that you can even run a non apple computer on anything but windows. Matt Lopez-Dias mattlopezd...@gmail.com -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Google Chrome OS Announced
On Wed, 2009-07-08 at 09:51 +0100, Dale Clarke wrote: The telegraph have also made the same mistake as the Beeb, even worse though is some of the so called non-linux tech news sites have made the same presumptions. For me is the HTML 5 standard, does that mean Google might go the opensourced route with their media playing etc. Dale On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 9:45 AM, James Milligan lak...@lake54.com wrote: Haha. A blow to Linux - it IS Linux! James -- James Milligan lak...@lake54.com www.lake54.com www.killermentality.com www.twitter.com/lake54 On 8 Jul 2009, at 09:24, Steve Cook yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 James Milligan wrote: http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009/07/introducing-google-chrome-os.html Based on Linux kernel etc. ...or you could just get Ubuntu :-) But the Beeb doesn’t quite understand http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8139711.stm -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkpUV6MACgkQICATF4lwn1px7QCfa1sNYfXPl0Eyf7mL/aHMF3hB BbAAoJCAbvXJPhLSdGpxHRviFDlCSQv1 =PgTD -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ I'm not sure how correct this is, but I read somewhere (might've been on here :P) that the HTML5 standard doesn't actually include the opensource media stuff, because Microsoft and I think another corporation didn't like it. However, Mozilla and most other groups have included it anyway. Tell me if I'm wrong, I probably am, but just thought I'd mention it :) -- Farran Lee fazzy.bab...@ntlworld.com I'm only 16 :P -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Google Chrome OS Announced
2009/7/8 Farran Lee fazzy.bab...@ntlworld.com: I'm not sure how correct this is, but I read somewhere (might've been on here :P) that the HTML5 standard doesn't actually include the opensource media stuff, because Microsoft and I think another corporation didn't like it. However, Mozilla and most other groups have included it anyway. Tell me if I'm wrong, I probably am, but just thought I'd mention it :) Apple killed the open source (ogg) codec stuff with some help from Google from what I've read. There seem to be some worries about ogg infringing patents. Good overview here: http://lwn.net/Articles/340132/ cheers, Bruce -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Google Chrome OS Announced
I'm not sure how correct this is, but I read somewhere (might've been on here :P) that the HTML5 standard doesn't actually include the opensource media stuff, because Microsoft and I think another corporation didn't like it. However, Mozilla and most other groups have included it anyway. Tell me if I'm wrong, I probably am, but just thought I'd mention it :) -- Farran Lee fazzy.bab...@ntlworld.com I'm only 16 :P -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ Nokia submitted a document that looked like it was written by a 5 year old which basically said 'We don't want OGG media in HTML5 just in case someone finds a patent after we have implemented it that means everyone has to pay for it.' And then recommended to use h.264 because it already is covered by patents. It's a ridiculous stance so good on Mozilla if they've gone against it. http://www.xiph.org/press/2007/w3c/ Xiph statement http://digg.com/software/Nokia_wants_W3C_to_remove_Ogg_from_upcoming_HTML5_standard Article about Nokia getting involved for no reason http://www.w3.org/2007/08/video/positions/Nokia.pdf Nokia's paper. Obviously presentation, spelling and grammar wasn't an important issue. Darren -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Google Chrome OS Announced
On Wed, 2009-07-08 at 12:18 +0100, Bruce Durling wrote: Apple killed the open source (ogg) codec stuff with some help from Google from what I've read. There seem to be some worries about ogg infringing patents. Good overview here: http://lwn.net/Articles/340132/ cheers, Bruce thanks, that looks pretty good :D haven't had time to read the whole page, but the initial email makes sense. Even so - dammit :| -- Farran Lee fazzy.bab...@ntlworld.com I'm only 16 :P -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Google Chrome OS Announced
On Wed, 2009-07-08 at 12:27 +0100, darren.mans...@opengi.co.uk wrote: Nokia submitted a document that looked like it was written by a 5 year old which basically said 'We don't want OGG media in HTML5 just in case someone finds a patent after we have implemented it that means everyone has to pay for it.' And then recommended to use h.264 because it already is covered by patents. It's a ridiculous stance so good on Mozilla if they've gone against it. http://www.xiph.org/press/2007/w3c/ Xiph statement http://digg.com/software/Nokia_wants_W3C_to_remove_Ogg_from_upcoming_HTML5_standard Article about Nokia getting involved for no reason http://www.w3.org/2007/08/video/positions/Nokia.pdf Nokia's paper. Obviously presentation, spelling and grammar wasn't an important issue. Darren how funny :) Adults can be so childish :P and yeah, ff3.5 includes it already - the first install initial page has an ogg video on it :) -- Farran Lee fazzy.bab...@ntlworld.com I'm only 16 :P -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Google Chrome OS Announced
darren.mans...@opengi.co.uk wrote: I'm not sure how correct this is, but I read somewhere (might've been on here :P) that the HTML5 standard doesn't actually include the opensource media stuff, because Microsoft and I think another corporation didn't like it. However, Mozilla and most other groups have included it anyway. Tell me if I'm wrong, I probably am, but just thought I'd mention it :) Nokia submitted a document that looked like it was written by a 5 year old which basically said 'We don't want OGG media in HTML5 just in case someone finds a patent after we have implemented it that means everyone has to pay for it.' And then recommended to use h.264 because it already is covered by patents. It's a ridiculous stance so good on Mozilla if they've gone against it. I wonder if Nokia have got an axe to grind? Do they have any patents on H264 or AAC? Nice to see that Microsoft used OGG in Halo ;-) http://www.postneo.com/2003/10/14/halo-for-pc-uses-ogg-vorbis Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Google Chrome OS Announced
I'm not sure how correct this is, but I read somewhere (might've been on here :P) that the HTML5 standard doesn't actually include the opensource media stuff, because Microsoft and I think another corporation didn't like it. However, Mozilla and most other groups have included it anyway. Tell me if I'm wrong, I probably am, but just thought I'd mention it :) Nokia submitted a document that looked like it was written by a 5 year old which basically said 'We don't want OGG media in HTML5 just in case someone finds a patent after we have implemented it that means everyone has to pay for it.' And then recommended to use h.264 because it already is covered by patents. It's a ridiculous stance so good on Mozilla if they've gone against it. I wonder if Nokia have got an axe to grind? Do they have any patents on H264 or AAC? Nice to see that Microsoft used OGG in Halo ;-) http://www.postneo.com/2003/10/14/halo-for-pc-uses-ogg-vorbis Rob It seems a strange stance for Nokia to take given their reliance on Maemo and Linux. With Microsoft, I think it's very difficult to quantify them into necessarily good or bad due to their size. They undoubtedly have some very shady business practices but I'm sure some sections have no agendas besides making software. Darren -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Google Chrome OS Announced
darren.mans...@opengi.co.uk wrote: [...] With Microsoft, I think it's very difficult to quantify them into necessarily good or bad due to their size. They undoubtedly have some very shady business practices but I'm sure some sections have no agendas besides making software. Have you seen such things as this: http://www.groklaw.net/articlebasic.php?story=20071023002351958 extracts: === Independent consultants should write columns and articles, give conference presentations and moderate stacked panels, all on our behalf (and setting them up as experts in the new technology, available for just $200/hour). Independent academic sources should be cultivated and quoted (and research money granted). Independent courseware providers should start profiting from their early involvement in our technology. Every possible source of leverage should be sought and turned to our advantage. [...] A stacked panel, on the other hand, is like a stacked deck: it is packed with people who, on the face of things, should be neutral, but who are in fact strong supporters of our technology. === If some sections have other agendas then they will not be following the company manuals will they? -- alan cocks Ubuntu user -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Google Chrome OS Announced
One thought I had about the Google Chrome OS is Microsoft, or the european legislators will push for the web browser to removed from the OS to match what they expect from Microsoft. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Google Chrome OS Announced
I think it's still early days for those kinds of concerns. The Chrome OS will have to face being the new contender for at least a little while, yet. And like others have said, we want some high profile non-Apple competition to raise awareness of the choices available. If that is achieved, it'll change the marketplace anyway and largely make the web browser issue a moot point. 2009/7/8 David Jones djones.dan...@googlemail.com One thought I had about the Google Chrome OS is Microsoft, or the european legislators will push for the web browser to removed from the OS to match what they expect from Microsoft. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Google Chrome OS Announced
David Jones wrote: One thought I had about the Google Chrome OS is Microsoft, or the european legislators will push for the web browser to removed from the OS to match what they expect from Microsoft. iirc the euro. requirement was not so much for there to be no browser at all, but for the option of allowing other browsers and a removal of IE if the user wanted. The situation now proposed by MS that Windows 7 will be shipped with no browser at all in europe was something the legislators expressed surprise about, and suggested that was not necessary. http://europa.eu/rapid/pressReleasesAction.do?reference=MEMO/09/272format=HTMLaged=0language=ENguiLanguage=en 'in terms of potential remedies if the Commission were to find that Microsoft had committed an abuse, the Commission has suggested that consumers should be offered a choice of browser, not that Windows should be supplied without a browser at all.' -- alan cocks Ubuntu user -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Google Chrome
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Google Chrome
On Tue, Sep 02, 2008 at 12:15:53AM +0100, Philip Wyett wrote: On Mon, 2008-09-01 at 22:46 +0100, Robert McWilliam wrote: That's kind of missing the whole point of open source. snip Well... I'll skip the first sentence as such a thing should be never said on a list such as this because it will offend! Sorry if that offended, but I don't see why it would. I think there must be some miscommunication here. I was disagreeing with the idea that we would be better off if everybody could be made to concentrate on some core apps because it runs contrary to what I think to be the point and main advantage to open source: everybody is free to build whatever variation they like, or pick from the multitude built by others. Nobody is dictating or wanting to be a dictator and using such inflammatory language does nothing for debate. Benevolent dictator is a common term in open source for the leader of a project where that leader gets to make all the decisions and everybody else has to go along with it or fork (they do usually listen to input from other people before dictating or there would be far more forks). Mark Shuttleworth labels himself the self appointed benevolent dictator for life for Ubuntu. I was expanding that to cover the whole open source ecosystem and dropped the benevolent as I think it would do a lot more harm than good. Choice is a good thing but can be defined as an issue in certain circumstances. A bad can hurt the overall goal or offering numerous choices can hurt us by confusion. It's a balancing act that really does have to be thought about sometimes in my opinion. So long as we're in agreement that it is something to think about when presenting to users and you're not going to try and take my compiler away if I decide to write yet-another-web-browser then I'm happy :) Robert Robert McWilliam [EMAIL PROTECTED]www.ormiret.com The best way to predict the future is to invent it. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Google Chrome
Woo http://blogoscoped.com/archive/2008-09-01-n47.html New open source web browser from Google. Looks very interesting from a security and performance perspective alone. The cartoon is a great way to introduce a new product to the media too. Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Google Chrome
On Mon, 2008-09-01 at 20:51 +0100, Alan Pope wrote: Woo http://blogoscoped.com/archive/2008-09-01-n47.html New open source web browser from Google. Looks very interesting from a security and performance perspective alone. The cartoon is a great way to introduce a new product to the media too. Cheers, Al. With the size of the Google PR machine, a cute way of introducing a new product was no real surprise. What is really beginning to worry me is that there is too much choice of applications in the Open Source world. Instead of working to make what we have better and bite into bug #1 and give users a base set of applications they can get comfortable with and trust, we are going to leave maybe switchers to Linux with the mass confusion of which application is best and sticking with Windows. Regards Phil signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Google Chrome
What is really beginning to worry me is that there is too much choice of applications in the Open Source world. Instead of working to make what we have better and bite into bug #1 and give users a base set of applications they can get comfortable with and trust, we are going to leave maybe switchers to Linux with the mass confusion of which application is best and sticking with Windows. Yes, we seem to be slipping back into the bad old days... I remember one of my first Linux installs, a paid for box set of an early Suse release. 5 different word processors, 6 calculators, 4 browsers, 7 text editors, etc, etc... It was all stupidly confusing... It was one of the first things that struck me about Breezy... Oh look - only one browser, only one word processor, only one editor, only one etc etc... How very sensible... Now, Firefox, Epiphany, Midori, Amaya, Dillo, Galeon, SeaMonkey and even Links/Lynx and W3M... And now Chrome... not to mention all the backend stuff like webkit/gecko/java/javascript/SWF/etc/etc... Makes you wonder how much could be achieved in just the browser arena, if all that effort all pulled in the same direction Argh... -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Google Chrome
Alan Pope wrote: Woo http://blogoscoped.com/archive/2008-09-01-n47.html New open source web browser from Google. Looks very interesting from a security and performance perspective alone. The cartoon is a great way to introduce a new product to the media too. Official word here: http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2008/09/fresh-take-on-browser.html Who's going to start Ubuntu Comics then? John -- John Levin http://www.technolalia.org/blog/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Google Chrome
On Mon, Sep 01, 2008 at 09:12:48PM +0100, Philip Wyett wrote: What is really beginning to worry me is that there is too much choice of applications in the Open Source world. Instead of working to make what we have better and bite into bug #1 and give users a base set of applications they can get comfortable with and trust, we are going to leave maybe switchers to Linux with the mass confusion of which application is best and sticking with Windows. That's kind of missing the whole point of open source. The advantage of distributed and uncontrolled development is that everybody goes in whichever direction they want and explores the possibilities for solving a problem to their own satisfaction. The fact there are a multitude of solutions is an advantage as we can each select from them to get something we are happy with. Dictating the right way of doing something and getting everybody to work on it is highly unlikely to actually get the best solution as there is no perfect person to be the dictator. It also precludes the possibility that there are a range of options because different people want different things. If you want someone else to do the choosing then you can go for your distro's default and not worry about it. It really annoys me when people preset choice as a problem. It might be intimidating to a new user if they are presented with a huge number of options but that is an argument for how we should be presenting things to the new user not an argument for limiting the choices available. OK, I'll stop ranting now :) Robert Robert McWilliam [EMAIL PROTECTED]www.ormiret.com I am in shape. Round is a shape. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Google Chrome
Philip Wyett wrote: With the size of the Google PR machine, a cute way of introducing a new product was no real surprise. What is really beginning to worry me is that there is too much choice of applications in the Open Source world. Instead of working to make what we have better and bite into bug #1 and give users a base set of applications they can get comfortable with and trust, we are going to leave maybe switchers to Linux with the mass confusion of which application is best and sticking with Windows. Well, Chrome is being beta'd for windows first, where it will add to the choice of Firefox, Safari and Opera (never mind a host of smaller projects), so choice is not restricted to the FLOSS world. I can't see any way of 'herding cats' and concentrating everyone on a base set of applications, or a single distro for that matter. I don't think it would be desirable either; a lot of good comes out of people trying new ideas (as long as these ideas can be shared, taken and improved, as we do in the free software world). As long as Ubuntu keeps its focus, I'll be happy with it (even though I dislike some of the software choices). My tuppence ha'penny, John -- John Levin http://www.technolalia.org/blog/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Google Chrome
On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 10:46 PM, Robert McWilliam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's kind of missing the whole point of open source. The advantage of distributed and uncontrolled development is that everybody goes in whichever direction they want and explores the possibilities for solving a problem to their own satisfaction. The fact there are a multitude of solutions is an advantage as we can each select from them to get something we are happy with. Dictating the right way of doing something and getting everybody to work on it is highly unlikely to actually get the best solution as there is no perfect person to be the dictator. It also precludes the possibility that there are a range of options because different people want different things. If you want someone else to do the choosing then you can go for your distro's default and not worry about it. It really annoys me when people preset choice as a problem. It might be intimidating to a new user if they are presented with a huge number of options but that is an argument for how we should be presenting things to the new user not an argument for limiting the choices available. OK, I'll stop ranting now :) Robert I definitely agree with you Robert. I believe they (Mozilla, Google, and MS) are going a bit more than just a browser... they are going to mash the browser into the desktop environment... this is just the beginning. Tiago Vieira -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Google Chrome
On Mon, 2008-09-01 at 22:46 +0100, Robert McWilliam wrote: On Mon, Sep 01, 2008 at 09:12:48PM +0100, Philip Wyett wrote: What is really beginning to worry me is that there is too much choice of applications in the Open Source world. Instead of working to make what we have better and bite into bug #1 and give users a base set of applications they can get comfortable with and trust, we are going to leave maybe switchers to Linux with the mass confusion of which application is best and sticking with Windows. That's kind of missing the whole point of open source. The advantage of distributed and uncontrolled development is that everybody goes in whichever direction they want and explores the possibilities for solving a problem to their own satisfaction. The fact there are a multitude of solutions is an advantage as we can each select from them to get something we are happy with. Well... I'll skip the first sentence as such a thing should be never said on a list such as this because it will offend! Exploring new ideas and distributed development are great and I wholly promote that, but to facilitate certain end goals many factors must be taken into account which can mean constraint being introduced. Dictating the right way of doing something and getting everybody to work on it is highly unlikely to actually get the best solution as there is no perfect person to be the dictator. It also precludes the possibility that there are a range of options because different people want different things. Nobody is dictating or wanting to be a dictator and using such inflammatory language does nothing for debate. If you want someone else to do the choosing then you can go for your distro's default and not worry about it. Ubuntu has it's focus on a base set of applications. These do change over time as part of an evolutionary process and that is good. But the selection of those applications is such a constraint I mentioned earlier that is part of a long term goal to appeal to existing and new computer users to trust Ubuntu and make the choice to use it. This I believe has been very beneficial from say a few years ago when you could look at a distribution with a user and not stand a chance (due to the distributed/fragmented nature of applications and inability to easily configure, use and link things together etc) of swaying them into a change whereas you have a chance due to the fact of consistency today with projects such as Ubuntu. It really annoys me when people preset choice as a problem. It might be intimidating to a new user if they are presented with a huge number of options but that is an argument for how we should be presenting things to the new user not an argument for limiting the choices available. Choice is a good thing but can be defined as an issue in certain circumstances. A bad can hurt the overall goal or offering numerous choices can hurt us by confusion. It's a balancing act that really does have to be thought about sometimes in my opinion. Regards Phil signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Google Chrome
Well said Robert! On 1 Sep 2008, at 22:46, Robert McWilliam wrote: On Mon, Sep 01, 2008 at 09:12:48PM +0100, Philip Wyett wrote: What is really beginning to worry me is that there is too much choice of applications in the Open Source world. Instead of working to make what we have better and bite into bug #1 and give users a base set of applications they can get comfortable with and trust, we are going to leave maybe switchers to Linux with the mass confusion of which application is best and sticking with Windows. That's kind of missing the whole point of open source. The advantage of distributed and uncontrolled development is that everybody goes in whichever direction they want and explores the possibilities for solving a problem to their own satisfaction. The fact there are a multitude of solutions is an advantage as we can each select from them to get something we are happy with. Dictating the right way of doing something and getting everybody to work on it is highly unlikely to actually get the best solution as there is no perfect person to be the dictator. It also precludes the possibility that there are a range of options because different people want different things. If you want someone else to do the choosing then you can go for your distro's default and not worry about it. It really annoys me when people preset choice as a problem. It might be intimidating to a new user if they are presented with a huge number of options but that is an argument for how we should be presenting things to the new user not an argument for limiting the choices available. OK, I'll stop ranting now :) Robert Robert McWilliam [EMAIL PROTECTED]www.ormiret.com I am in shape. Round is a shape. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Google Chrome
On Mon, 2008-09-01 at 22:53 +0100, John Levin wrote: I can't see any way of 'herding cats' and concentrating everyone on a base set of applications, or a single distro for that matter. I don't think it would be desirable either; a lot of good comes out of people trying new ideas (as long as these ideas can be shared, taken and improved, as we do in the free software world). As long as Ubuntu keeps its focus, I'll be happy with it (even though I dislike some of the software choices). :-) Herding cats is very good. I would never want a single application or distro as each has very specific goals and appeal to those with their own specific goals or constraints e.g. hardware etc. However the 30 lane motorway can be narrowed a little sometimes and the slow moving traffic or those that have broken down can be removed. Pooling the knowledge along with sharing fresh ideas should always be promoted and I would agree with you there. Ubuntu does have good focus and constraint to make a quality distribution that does offer a consistent base and extended choice and that formula is one of the things that is helping it gain in popularity and an increased number of users. Regards Phil signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Google Chrome
Tiago Vieira wrote: snip ...I believe they (Mozilla, Google, and MS) are going a bit more than just a browser... they are going to mash the browser into the desktop environment... this is just the beginning. Hi, Tiago I think that's right, or one could even say they want to *replace* the desktop with the browser. And your comment set me thinking that we should not wander into that 'Web2' world blindly, dazzled by the 'gee whiz' services that Google and others proffer us in return for our lodging our data with them. I think we have to ask ourselves what do Google, MS, Facebook, My Space and others get out of spending all that money on storage for our data. Do they do it out of altruism? What they get is the opportunity to analyse it in order to see the patterns in our behaviour and relationships, so that they may make use of, and maybe sell, their analyses for their own ends and profit. Knowledge about us beyond the wildest dreams of early twentieth century market researchers! Privacy isn't just about keeping secret the few bits of information about yourself that you think matter -- what Google's 'Privacy Policy' refers to as 'personal information'. Focusing on 'name, date of birth, bank account details, and mother's maiden name' distracts us from other aspects of privacy. It's also an aspect of privacy that Google (and other folk who hold our data) have the right - as 'bailees' of our information - to examine it and analyse, so that they may discern, understand and predict the patterns of our lives better than we do ourselves. So I wonder whether we shouldn't think twice before we sign up to put our data in the hands of 'Web2 service providers'. (End of rant. You may have guessed that I'm not not a computer scientist, but a social scientist -- so I know what you can do with information about patterns of behaviour, which is why Web2 worries me!) Mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
