Re: [ubuntu-uk] Scanners OCR

2010-08-19 Thread Simon Wears
Thanks for all the replies!

Looks like I'll ignore the OCR idea then - that was just a 'it would be good
if' idea.

John, your idea of typing them up directly to my computer would be a bit
tricky, since I don't own a laptop! Plus, I enjoy actually handwriting my
notes since my course does a lot on computers.

My other method was going to be to type them up in the evenings, the scanner
method was because I'm lazy! Perhaps I'll try typing them up myself for the
first few weeks, see how it goes. If it turns out to be a pain digitising
graphs and things, I'll find a scanner.

Cheers,
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[ubuntu-uk] Scanners OCR

2010-08-18 Thread Simon Wears
Heyhey everybody!

I'm looking at investing in a scanner so I can digitise my university notes
this coming academic year. I was wondering if anyone has a scanner they can
recommend that works well with Ubuntu? Ideally it would be a tray-fed
scanner, so I can put in several sheets at a time and just hit a nice big
'GO' button, and it would scan it all into a single PDF. Bonus points if it
can scan both sides of the paper in one go.

Also, has anyone tried any available OCR software for Ubuntu? It'd be great
if I could scan in my notes into text, which would make them all searchable!

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Scanners OCR

2010-08-18 Thread Rob Beard
On 18/08/10 18:25, Simon Wears wrote:
 Heyhey everybody!

 I'm looking at investing in a scanner so I can digitise my university
 notes this coming academic year. I was wondering if anyone has a scanner
 they can recommend that works well with Ubuntu? Ideally it would be a
 tray-fed scanner, so I can put in several sheets at a time and just hit
 a nice big 'GO' button, and it would scan it all into a single PDF.
 Bonus points if it can scan both sides of the paper in one go.

 Also, has anyone tried any available OCR software for Ubuntu? It'd be
 great if I could scan in my notes into text, which would make them all
 searchable!

 Simon Wears
 http://MunkyJunky.comb


Hmm, it's been a while since I looked into scanners, guess it depends 
how much you want to spend.  IIRC some of the higher end HP ScanJet 
scanners have ADF feeder options although the scanners I've seen in the 
shops tend to be basic flat bed models.

Guess it depends on your budget, but maybe you could look at a combined 
scanner/copier/printer with ADF unit (they seem to be more readily 
available).  One such printer I tried recently was a Lexmark (X264) 
which was networked and scanned to e-mail, so basically you could scan 
anything and it would convert it to a PDF (it supported colour and black 
and white) and would e-mail it out.

As far as OCR software goes, I've never tried any on Linux, last time I 
tried OCR software was on Windows and I'm not sure if it's improved or 
not, it certainly wasn't good enough to read handwriting.  You say your 
notes are in text, will they be handwritten notes or typed up?

Rob

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Scanners OCR

2010-08-18 Thread Simon Wears
The idea would be to scan in my handwritten notes, but that would also
involve mathematical graphs  symbols, which it may not cope with well. The
OCR isn't as important, it would just be a nice feature. As long as I can
make a digital copy of my notes easily it would do!

Simon Wears
http://MunkyJunky.com



On 18 August 2010 19:02, Rob Beard r...@esdelle.co.uk wrote:

 On 18/08/10 18:25, Simon Wears wrote:
  Heyhey everybody!
 
  I'm looking at investing in a scanner so I can digitise my university
  notes this coming academic year. I was wondering if anyone has a scanner
  they can recommend that works well with Ubuntu? Ideally it would be a
  tray-fed scanner, so I can put in several sheets at a time and just hit
  a nice big 'GO' button, and it would scan it all into a single PDF.
  Bonus points if it can scan both sides of the paper in one go.
 
  Also, has anyone tried any available OCR software for Ubuntu? It'd be
  great if I could scan in my notes into text, which would make them all
  searchable!
 
  Simon Wears
  http://MunkyJunky.comb
 

 Hmm, it's been a while since I looked into scanners, guess it depends
 how much you want to spend.  IIRC some of the higher end HP ScanJet
 scanners have ADF feeder options although the scanners I've seen in the
 shops tend to be basic flat bed models.

 Guess it depends on your budget, but maybe you could look at a combined
 scanner/copier/printer with ADF unit (they seem to be more readily
 available).  One such printer I tried recently was a Lexmark (X264)
 which was networked and scanned to e-mail, so basically you could scan
 anything and it would convert it to a PDF (it supported colour and black
 and white) and would e-mail it out.

 As far as OCR software goes, I've never tried any on Linux, last time I
 tried OCR software was on Windows and I'm not sure if it's improved or
 not, it certainly wasn't good enough to read handwriting.  You say your
 notes are in text, will they be handwritten notes or typed up?

 Rob

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Scanners OCR

2010-08-18 Thread Grant Sewell
On Wed, 18 Aug 2010 19:51:02 +0100
Simon Wears wrote:

 On 18 August 2010 19:02, Rob Beard r...@esdelle.co.uk wrote:
 
  On 18/08/10 18:25, Simon Wears wrote:
   Heyhey everybody!
  
   I'm looking at investing in a scanner so I can digitise my
   university notes this coming academic year. I was wondering if
   anyone has a scanner they can recommend that works well with
   Ubuntu? Ideally it would be a tray-fed scanner, so I can put in
   several sheets at a time and just hit a nice big 'GO' button, and
   it would scan it all into a single PDF. Bonus points if it can
   scan both sides of the paper in one go.
  
   Also, has anyone tried any available OCR software for Ubuntu?
   It'd be great if I could scan in my notes into text, which would
   make them all searchable!
  
   Simon Wears
   http://MunkyJunky.comb
  
 
  Hmm, it's been a while since I looked into scanners, guess it
  depends how much you want to spend.  IIRC some of the higher end HP
  ScanJet scanners have ADF feeder options although the scanners I've
  seen in the shops tend to be basic flat bed models.
 
  Guess it depends on your budget, but maybe you could look at a
  combined scanner/copier/printer with ADF unit (they seem to be more
  readily available).  One such printer I tried recently was a
  Lexmark (X264) which was networked and scanned to e-mail, so
  basically you could scan anything and it would convert it to a PDF
  (it supported colour and black and white) and would e-mail it out.
 
  As far as OCR software goes, I've never tried any on Linux, last
  time I tried OCR software was on Windows and I'm not sure if it's
  improved or not, it certainly wasn't good enough to read
  handwriting.  You say your notes are in text, will they be
  handwritten notes or typed up?
 
  Rob
 The idea would be to scan in my handwritten notes, but that would also
 involve mathematical graphs  symbols, which it may not cope with
 well. The OCR isn't as important, it would just be a nice feature. As
 long as I can make a digital copy of my notes easily it would do!
 
 Simon Wears
 http://MunkyJunky.com

I have found that a large number of USB scanners just work.  The
biggest issue I have found when trying to scan in what is essentially
B/W line-art is getting the contrast/brightness settings right so the
scanned version is legible.

Grant.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Scanners OCR

2010-08-18 Thread Yorvyk
On Wed, 18 Aug 2010 19:51:02 +0100
Simon Wears munkyju...@gmail.com wrote:


 
 
 
 On 18 August 2010 19:02, Rob Beard r...@esdelle.co.uk wrote:
 
  On 18/08/10 18:25, Simon Wears wrote:
   Heyhey everybody!
  
   I'm looking at investing in a scanner so I can digitise my university
   notes this coming academic year. I was wondering if anyone has a scanner
   they can recommend that works well with Ubuntu? Ideally it would be a
   tray-fed scanner, so I can put in several sheets at a time and just hit
   a nice big 'GO' button, and it would scan it all into a single PDF.
   Bonus points if it can scan both sides of the paper in one go.
  
   Also, has anyone tried any available OCR software for Ubuntu? It'd be
   great if I could scan in my notes into text, which would make them all
   searchable!
  
   Simon Wears
   http://MunkyJunky.comb
  
 
  Hmm, it's been a while since I looked into scanners, guess it depends
  how much you want to spend.  IIRC some of the higher end HP ScanJet
  scanners have ADF feeder options although the scanners I've seen in the
  shops tend to be basic flat bed models.
 
  Guess it depends on your budget, but maybe you could look at a combined
  scanner/copier/printer with ADF unit (they seem to be more readily
  available).  One such printer I tried recently was a Lexmark (X264)
  which was networked and scanned to e-mail, so basically you could scan
  anything and it would convert it to a PDF (it supported colour and black
  and white) and would e-mail it out.
 
  As far as OCR software goes, I've never tried any on Linux, last time I
  tried OCR software was on Windows and I'm not sure if it's improved or
  not, it certainly wasn't good enough to read handwriting.  You say your
  notes are in text, will they be handwritten notes or typed up?
 
  Rob
 
 The idea would be to scan in my handwritten notes, but that would also
 involve mathematical graphs  symbols, which it may not cope with well. The
 OCR isn't as important, it would just be a nice feature. As long as I can
 make a digital copy of my notes easily it would do!
 
I’d just get  any old scanner, you could probably get one free from Freecycle, 
although they are dirt cheap these days.  My experience of sheet feeders is 
that they will only work reliably with decent quality paper that has been kept 
nice and flat and hasn’t had greasy hands resting on it etc.  Exercise book 
paper is an absolute sod to get to feed properly, even one sheet at a time.
I haven’t seen any OCR software that works for handwriting, as I imagine it 
would face similar problems to voice recognition.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Scanners OCR

2010-08-18 Thread Philip Stubbs
On 18 August 2010 18:25, Simon Wears munkyju...@gmail.com wrote:
 Heyhey everybody!
 I'm looking at investing in a scanner so I can digitise my university notes
 this coming academic year. I was wondering if anyone has a scanner they can
 recommend that works well with Ubuntu? Ideally it would be a tray-fed
 scanner, so I can put in several sheets at a time and just hit a nice big
 'GO' button, and it would scan it all into a single PDF. Bonus points if it
 can scan both sides of the paper in one go.
 Also, has anyone tried any available OCR software for Ubuntu? It'd be great
 if I could scan in my notes into text, which would make them all searchable!
 Simon Wears
 http://MunkyJunky.com

I have a CanoScan LiDE 60. It is only a simple flat bed scanner, but
does fulfil your 'works with ubuntu' requirement. I seem to remember
going to the SANE website and looking for information on what is
supported before buying it.
http://www.sane-project.org/sane-supported-devices.html

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Scanners OCR

2010-08-18 Thread alan c
On 18/08/10 18:25, Simon Wears wrote:
 Heyhey everybody!

 I'm looking at investing in a scanner so I can digitise my university notes
 this coming academic year. I was wondering if anyone has a scanner they can
 recommend that works well with Ubuntu? Ideally it would be a tray-fed
 scanner, so I can put in several sheets at a time and just hit a nice big
 'GO' button, and it would scan it all into a single PDF. Bonus points if it
 can scan both sides of the paper in one go.

 Also, has anyone tried any available OCR software for Ubuntu? It'd be great
 if I could scan in my notes into text, which would make them all searchable!

 Simon Wears
 http://MunkyJunky.com

At a slight tangent, when we come across a sign or map we need to 
refer to, when on holiday , we simply photograph it. A 3 M pixel 
camera with a close up (macro?) focus ability and a good light source 
nearby produces a very readable jpeg, and a 5 Mp camera even better.
It occurs to me that in addition to the method of digital capture, you 
will produce a lot of files, all with similar IDs. This is unlike 
notes which have an easier intuitive recognition I suspect. So also 
consider your files organisation strategy?
good luck
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Scanners OCR

2010-08-18 Thread John Levin
On 18/08/2010 19:51, Simon Wears wrote:
 The idea would be to scan in my handwritten notes, but that would also
 involve mathematical graphs  symbols, which it may not cope with well.
 The OCR isn't as important, it would just be a nice feature. As long as
 I can make a digital copy of my notes easily it would do!

 Simon Wears
 http://MunkyJunky.com


Current state of OCR is that it's good for post-1950 printed texts, but 
pretty bad for older publications and handwriting. (I've recently been 
banging my head against 18th century texts - OCR just doesn't work there.)

No idea as to the state of dedicated handwriting recognition apps. If 
you're taking notes, why not enter them directly onto your computer?

HTH

John

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Scanners OCR

2010-08-18 Thread Philip Stubbs
On 18 August 2010 22:24, John Levin technola...@gmail.com wrote:
 No idea as to the state of dedicated handwriting recognition apps. If
 you're taking notes, why not enter them directly onto your computer?

Alternatively, type up the notes later. It will help reinforce the
lecture. Of course you will have to give up some beer time, so not
really a practical suggestion. :-)

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